Replicating Al Gore's Climate 101 video experiment shows that his "high school physics" could never work as advertised

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Readers may recall my previous essay where I pointed out how Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 Video, used in his “24 hours of climate reality”, had some serious credibility issues with editing things to make it appear as if they had actually performed the experiment, when they clearly did not. It has taken me awhile to replicate the experiment. Delays were a combination of acquisition and shipping problems, combined with my availability since I had to do this on nights and weekends. I worked initially using the original techniques and equipment, and I’ve replicated the Climate 101 experiment in other ways using improved equipment. I’ve compiled several videos. My report follows.

First. as a refresher, here’s the Climate 101 video again:

I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:30, where the experiment is presented.

And here’s my critique of it: Video analysis and scene replication suggests that Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project fabricated their Climate 101 video “Simple Experiment”

The most egregious faked presentation in that video was the scene with the split screen thermometers, edited to appear as if the temperature in the jar of elevated CO2 level was rising faster than the jar without elevated CO2 level.

It turns out that the thermometers were never in the jar recording the temperature rise presented in the split screen and the entire presentation was nothing but stagecraft and editing.

This was proven beyond a doubt by the photoshop differencing technique used to compare each side of the split screen. With the exception of the moving thermometer fluid, both sides were identical.

difference process run at full resolution - click to enlarge

Exposing this lie to the viewers didn’t set well with some people, include the supposed “fairness” watchdogs over at Media Matters, who called the analysis a “waste of time”. Of course it’s only a “waste of time” when you prove their man Gore was faking the whole thing, otherwise they wouldn’t care. Personally I consider it a badge of honor for them to take notice because they usually reserve such vitriol for high profile news they don’t like, so apparently I have “arrived”.

The reason why I took so much time then to show this chicanery was Mr. Gore’s pronouncement in an interview the day the video aired.

His specific claim was:

“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011

So easy a high school kid can do it. Right?

Bill Nye, in his narration at 0:48 in the video says:

You can replicate this effect yourself in a simple lab experiment, here’s how.

…and at 1:10 in the video Nye says:

Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.

So, I decided to find out if that was true and if anyone could really replicate that claim, or if this was just more stagecraft chicanery. I was betting that nobody on Gore’s production team actually did this experiment, or if they did do it, it wasn’t successful, because otherwise, why would they have to fake the results in post production?

The split screen video at 1:17, a screencap of which is a few paragraphs above shows a temperature difference of 2°F. Since Mr. Gore provided no other data, I’ll use that as the standard to meet for a successful experiment.

The first task is to get all the exact same equipment. Again, since Mr. Gore doesn’t provide anything other than the video, finding all of that took some significant effort and time. There’s no bill of materials to work with so I had to rely on finding each item from the visuals. While I found the cookie jars and oral thermometers early on, finding the lamp fixtures, the heat lamps for them, the CO2 tank and the CO2 tank valve proved to be more elusive. Surprisingly, the valve turned out to be the hardest of all items to locate, taking about two weeks from the time I started searching to the time I had located it, ordered it and it arrived. The reason? It isn’t called a valve, but rather a “In-Line On/Off Air Adapter”. Finding the terminology was half the battle. Another surprise was finding that the heat lamps and fixtures were for lizards and terrariums and not some general purpose use. Fortunately the fixtures and lamps were sold together by the same company. While the fixtures supported up to 150 watts, Mr. Gore made no specification on bulb type or wattage, so I chose the middle of the road 100 watt bulbs from the 50, 100, and 150 watt choices available.

I believe that I have done due diligence (as much as possible given no instructions from Gore) and located all the original equipment to accurately replicate the experiment as it was presented. Here’s the bill of materials and links to suppliers needed to replicate Al Gore’s experiment as it is shown in the Climate 101 video:

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BILL OF MATERIALS

QTY 2 Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid

http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543

QTY2 Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/

QTY 2 Globe Coin Bank

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386

QTY 2 Fluker`s Repta Clamp-Lamp with Ceramic Sockets for Terrariums (max 150 watts, 8 1/2 Inch Bulb) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluker-s-Repta-Clamp-Lamp-150-watts-8-1-2-Inch-Bulb-/200663082632

QTY2 Zoo Med Red Infrared Heat Lamp 100W

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200594870618

QTY1 Empire – Pure Energy – Aluminum Co2 Tank – 20 oz

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190563856367

QTY 1 RAP4 In-Line On/Off Air Adapter

http://www.rap4.com/store/paintball/rap4-in-line-on-off-air-adapter

QTY 1 flexible clear plastic hose, 48″ in length, from local Lowes hardware to fit RAP4 In-Line On/Off Air Adapter above.

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Additionally, since Mr. Gore never actually proved that CO2 had been released from the CO2 paintball tank into one of the jars, I ordered a portable CO2 meter for just that purpose:

It has a CO2 metering accuracy of: ± 50ppm ±5% reading value. While not laboratory grade, it works well enough to prove the existence of elevated CO2 concentrations in one of the jars. It uses a non-dispersive infrared diffusion sensor (NDIR) which is self calibrating, which seems perfect for the job.

carbon dioxide temperature humidity monitorData Sheet

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Once I got all of the equipment in, the job was to do some testing to make sure it all worked. I also wanted to be sure the two oral thermometers were calibrated such they read identically. For that, I prepared a water bath to conduct that experiment.

CAVEAT: For those that value form over substance, yes these are not slick professionally edited videos like Mr. Gore presented. They aren’t intended to be. They ARE intended to be a complete, accurate, and most importantly unedited record of the experimental work I performed. Bear in mind that while Mr. Gore has million$ to hire professional studios and editors, all I have is a consumer grade video camera, my office and my wits. If I were still working in broadcast television, you can bet I would have done this in the TV studio.

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STEP 1 Calibrate the Oral Thermometers

Here’s my first video showing how I calibrated the oral thermometers, which is very important if you want to have an accurate experimental result.

Note that the two thermometers read 98.1°F at the conclusion of the test, as shown in this screencap from my video @ about 5:35:

STEP 2 Calibrate the Infrared Thermometer

Since I plan to make use of an electronic Infrared thermometer in these experiments, I decided to calibrate it against the water bath also. Some folks may see this as unnecessary, since it is pre-calibrated, but I decided to do it anyway. It makes for interesting viewing

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STEP 3 Demonstrate how glass blocks IR using  the Infrared Thermometer

The way an actual greenhouse works is by trapping infrared radiation. Glass is transparent to visible light, but not to infrared light, as we see below.

Image from: greenhousesonline.com.au
Mr. Gore was attempting to demonstrate this effect in his setup, but there’s an obvious problem: he used infrared heat lamps rather than visible light lamps. Thus, it seems highly likely that the glass jars would block the incoming infrared, and convert it to heat. That being the case, the infrared radiative backscattering effect that makes up the greenhouse effect in our atmosphere couldn’t possibly be demonstrated here in the Climate 101 video.

By itself, that would be enough to declare the experiment invalid, but not only will I show the problem of the experimental setup being flawed, I’ll go to full on replication.

Using the warm water bath and the infrared thermometer, it becomes easy to demonstrate this effect.

Since Mr. Gore’s experiment used infrared heat lamps illuminating two glass jars, I decided to test that as well:

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STEP 4 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using the same equipment – duration of 10 minutes

At 1:10 in the Climate 101 video narrator Bill Nye the science guy says:

Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.

Since this is “simple high school physics” according to Mr. Gore, this should be a cinch to replicate. I took a “within minutes” from the narration to be just that, so I tried an experiment with 10 minutes of duration. I also explain the experimental setup and using the CO2 meter prove that CO2 is in fact injected into Jar “B”. My apologies for the rambling dialog, which wasn’t scripted, but explained as I went along. And, the camera work is one-handed while I’m speaking and setting up the experiment, so what it lacks in production quality it makes up in reality.

You’ll note that after 10 minutes, it appears there was no change in either thermometer. Also, remember these are ORAL thermometers, which hold the reading (so you can take it out of your mouth and hand it to mom and ask “can I stay home from school today”?). So for anyone concerned about the length of time after I turned off the lamps, don’t be. In order to reset the thermometers you have to shake them to force the liquid back down into the bulb.

Here’s the screencaps of the two thermometer readings from Jar A and B:

Clearly, 10 minutes isn’t enough time for the experiment to work. So let’s scratch off the idea from narration of “a few minutes” and go for a longer period:

RESULT: No change, no difference in temperature. Nothing near the 2°F rise shown in the video. Inconclusive.

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STEP 5 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using the same equipment – duration of 30 minutes

Ok, identical setup as before, the only difference is time, the experiment runs 30 minutes long. I’ve added a digital timer you can watch as the experiment progresses.

And here are the screencaps from the video above of the results:

RESULT: slight rise and difference in temperature 97.4°F for Jar “A” Air, and 97.2°F for Jar “B” CO2. Nothing near the 2°F rise shown in the video.

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STEP 6 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment, using digital logging thermometer – duration of 30 minutes

In this experiment, I’m substituting the liquid in glass oral thermometers with some small self contained battery powered digital logging thermometers with LCD displays.

This model:

Details here

Specification Sheet / Manual

USB-2-LCD+ Temperature Datalogger

I used two identical units in the experiment replication:

And here are the results graphed by the application that comes with the datalogger. Red is Temperature, Blue is Humidity, Green is dewpoint

The graphs are automatically different vertical scales and thus can be a bit confusing, so I’ve take the raw data for each and graphed temperature only:

After watching my own video, I was concerned that maybe I was getting a bit of a direct line of the visible portion of the heat lamp into the sensor housing onto the thermistor, since they were turned on their side. So I ran the experiment again with the dataloggers mounted vertically in paper cups to ensure the thermistors were shielded from any direct radiation at any wavelength. See this video:

Both runs of the USB datalogger are graphed together below:

RESULTS:

Run 1 slight rise and difference in temperature 43.5°C for Jar “A” Air with Brief pulse to 44°C , and 43.0°C for Jar “B” CO2.

Run 2 had an ended with a 1°C difference, with plain air in Jar A being warmer than Jar “B with CO2.

Jar “A” Air temperature led Jar “B” CO2 during the entire experiment on both runs

The datalogger output files are available here:

JarA Air only run1.txt  JarB CO2 run1.txt

JarA Air only run2.txt JarB CO2 run2.txt

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STEP 7 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using a high resolution NIST calibrated digital logging thermometer – duration of 30 minutes

In this experiment I use a high resolution (0.1F resolution) and NIST calibrated data logger with calibrated probes. Data was collected over my LAN to special software. This is the datalogger model:

Data sheet: Model E Series And the software used to log data is described here

Here’s the experiment:

I had to spend a lot of time waiting for the Jar “B” probe to come to parity with Jar “A” due to the cooling effect of the CO2 I introduced. As we all know, when a gas expands it cools, and that’s exactly what happens to CO2 released under pressure. You can see the effect early in the flat area of the graph below.

Here’s the end result screencap real-time graphing software used in the experiment, click the image to expand the graph full size.

RESULTS:

Peak value Jar A with air  was at 18:04 117.3°F

Peak value Jar B with CO2 was at 18:04 116.7°F

Once again, air led CO2 through the entire experiment.

Note that I allowed this experiment to go through a cool down after I turned off the Infrared heat lamps, which is the slope after the peak. Interestingly, while Jar “A” (probe1 in green) with Air, led Jar “B” (Probe 2 in red) with CO2, the positions reversed shortly after the lamps turned off.

The CO2 filled jar was now losing heat slower than the plain air jar, even though plain air Jar “A” had warmed slightly faster than the CO2 Jar “B”.

Here’s the datalogger output files for each probe:

Climate101-replication-Probe01-(JarA – Air).csv

Climate101-replication-Probe02-(JarB – CO2).csv

Climate101-replication-Probe03-(Ambient Air).csv

What could explain this reversal after the lamps were turned off? The answer is here at the Engineer’s Edge in the form of this table:

Heat Transfer Table of Content

This chart gives the thermal conductivity of gases as a function of temperature.

Unless otherwise noted, the values refer to a pressure of 100 kPa (1 bar) or to the saturation vapor pressure if that is less than 100 kPa.

The notation P = 0 indicates the low pressure limiting value is given. In general, the P = 0 and P = 100 kPa values differ by less than 1%.

Units are milliwatts per meter kelvin.

Note the values for Air and for CO2 that I highlighted in the 300K column. 300K is 80.3°F.

Air is a better conductor of heat than CO2.

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So, here is what I think is going on with Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 experiment.

  1. As we know, the Climate101 video used infrared heat lamps
  2. The glass cookie jars chosen don’t allow the full measure of infrared from the lamps to enter the center of the jar and affect the gas. I showed this two different ways with the infrared camera in videos above.
  3. During the experiments, I showed the glass jars heating up using the infrared camera. Clearly they were absorbing the infrared energy from the lamps.
  4. The gases inside the jars, air and pure CO2 thus had to be heated by secondary heat emission from the glass as it was being heated. They were not absorbing infrared from the lamps, but rather heat from contact with the glass.
  5. Per the engineering table, air is a better conductor of heat than pure CO2, so it warms faster, and when the lamps are turned off, it cools faster.
  6. The difference value of 2°F shown in the Climate 101 video split screen was never met in any of the experiments I performed.
  7. The condition stated in the Climate 101 video of “Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.” was not met in any of the experiments I performed. In fact it was exactly the opposite. Air consistently warmed faster than CO2.
  8. Thus, the experiment as designed by Mr. Gore does not show the greenhouse effect as we know it in our atmosphere, it does show how heat transfer works and differences in heat transfer rates with different substances, but nothing else.

Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 experiment is falsified, and could not work given the equipment he specified. If they actually tried to perform the experiment themselves, perhaps this is why they had to resort to stagecraft in the studio to fake the temperature rise on the split screen thermometers.

The experiment as presented by Al Gore and Bill Nye “the science guy” is a failure, and not representative of the greenhouse effect related to CO2 in our atmosphere. The video as presented, is not only faked in post production, the premise is also false and could never work with the equipment they demonstrated. Even with superior measurement equipment it doesn’t work, but more importantly, it couldn’t work as advertised.

The design failure was the glass cookie jar combined with infrared heat lamps.

Gore FAIL.

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UPDATE: 4PM PST Some commenters are taking away far more than intended from this essay. Therefore I am repeating this caveat I posted in my first essay where I concentrated on the video editing and stagecraft issues:

I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.

No broader take away (other than the experiment was faked and fails) was intended, expressed or implied – Anthony

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Ray
October 19, 2011 9:59 am

Now, instead of using two of everything, you should repeat the experiment with only using only one and the same of everything, without moving anything else than the air inside the jar. The differences in the jars could be enough to show the difference you measured. In any case, it is really far fromt he 2F.

DR
October 19, 2011 10:01 am

There is no reason to repeat or refine this experiment despite the minor shortcomings of the procedure. The Ideal Gas Law was not violated.
It really is puzzling that convection and gravity are completely removed from the discussion. Convection spoils the party for the “greenhouse effect”, i.e. back radiation.
Steve Mosher said:

the problem with ANY set up of this nature is that it does not really test the theory. The C02 or GHG effect actually works like this. It has nothing to do with C02 “trapping” heat.

Well Steve, you may wish to inform the many dozens of government science agencies and universities teaching precisely what you say it isn’t. So if you’re going to argue the “theory” of how rising CO2 levels warm the surface isn’t related to a real glass greenhouse, then the science really isn’t settled at all, and it isn’t about basic physics. The Woods experiment is a relevant test of the “greenhouse effect” as described by several notable sources, and the silly jar experiment has been promoted not just by Al Gore, but several well positioned scientists and institutions as well.
GHG don’t “trap” heat? Really Steve?
Below are a few examples, but I lost count at two dozen similar sources. Presumably they were authored by qualified individuals or well educated physics students. and not their secretaries, 🙂 My Bold.

The U.S. government’s Environmental Protection Agency
The energy that is absorbed is converted in part to heat energy that is re-radiated back into the atmosphere. Heat energy waves are not visible, and are generally in the infrared (long-wavelength) portion of the spectrum compared to visible light. Physical laws show that atmospheric constituents— notably water vapor and carbon dioxide gas—that are transparent to visible light are not transparent to heat waves. Hence, re-radiated energy in the infrared portion of the spectrum is trapped within the atmosphere, keeping the surface temperature warm. This phenomenon is called the “greenhouse effect” because it is exactly the same principle that heats a greenhouse
http://www.epa.gov/ne/students/pdfs/activ13.pdf

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Fort Lewis College, Colorado
This partial trapping of solar radiation is known as the greenhouse effect. The name comes from the fact that a very similar process operates in a greenhouse. Sunlight passes relatively unhindered through glass panes, but much of the infrared radiation reemitted by the plants is blocked by the glass and cannot get out. Consequently, the interior of the greenhouse heats up, and flowers, fruits, and vegetables can grow even on cold wintry days.
http://physics.fortlewis.edu/Astronomy/a….TML/AT30702.HTM

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http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/caer/ce/eek/earth/air/global.htm
Think of the earth as being inside a giant greenhouse. The gases act like a greenhouse’s glass walls — they keep heat from escaping into space, and the earth stays warm.
Try this easy experiment: Take two jars and put a teaspoon of water in each jar. Put a lid on just one jar. Place both jars in a sunny spot. After a few hours, check on the jars. You’ll see that the open jar hasn’t changed, but the closed jar will be steamy and hot inside. What happened? The heat from the sun could not escape from the closed jar.

Jay Davis
October 19, 2011 10:04 am

To Steven Mosher – some direct observations from a non-scientist. I have been in the desert for extended periods of time, and the jungle for extended periods of time. My direct non-scientific observations are as follows. Daytime temperatures in the desert over 100 degrees fahrenheit, humidity under thirty percent, altitude several hundred feet above sea level – nighttime temperatures in the same place in the forties or lower (degrees fahrenheit), humidity under thirty percent, and of course the same altitude. Daytime temperatures in the jungle in the high nineties (degrees fahrenheit), humidity over ninety percent, and altitude several hundred feet above sea level – nighttime temperatures in the same place in the nineties (degrees fahrenheit), humidity over ninety percent, and of course the same altitude. Chances are, in both environments, CO2 level was not remarkably different. My gut level guess as to why the temperature dropped so much when the sun went down in the desert as compared to the jungle – humidity. The whole purpose of Anthony’s experiment was to replicate Gore’s demonstration and see if he got the same results. He didn’t. People who believe CO2 causes global warming can BS as much as they want, but until they come up with something that proves their theory, or at least comes close, they are just BSing everybody. The purpose of my anecdotal observations was to show that H2O vapor does more to retain heat on this earth many times more than CO2.

Dick of Utah
October 19, 2011 10:10 am

Yield says:
October 19, 2011 at 5:05 am
Seriously you spent all this time to disprove an analogy…..

Fascinating comment. Is there a threshold of fraud,,, er “analogy” beyond which you would begin to question or criticize the tactics of some of those who strive to prove AGW and it’s dangerous implications?

2SoonOld2LateSmart
October 19, 2011 10:12 am

From above:
It is too bad that Anthony had to spend time and money debunking this.
We should show Anthony our appreciation by filling those two surplus glass jars with tips to help him in his efforts here to get the message out.
I have already done so.

October 19, 2011 10:15 am

I also sent an email to Mr. Nye. I hope we find out if he can confirm or debunk with science or
just believe me cause I said so…….

October 19, 2011 10:19 am

Excellent work. But more importantly, I want your cool infrared thermometer.

Owen from Cornwall, Ontario
October 19, 2011 10:23 am

Great post, Anthony. You really have shown in detail that Gore’s experiment wasn’t as simple as he claims it was. Not to mention it was a complete sham!
Has anyone tried to prove or disprove the Myth Busters experiment as my old memory serves correctly, they proved the opposite results of what Anthony’s did. One of the differences they used was they measured the rise in temperature using 350ppm compared to I think 380 or 400ppm CO2?
Keep up the GREAT work Anthony!!!
Owen Smith

October 19, 2011 10:26 am

Eric Anderson says:
“Anthony is not trying to dispute that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. He knows it is…”
Eric, how do you know that?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/18/replicating-al-gores-climate-101-video-experiment-shows-that-his-high-school-physics-could-never-work-as-advertised/#comment-771336
I assume that you mean that the net effect of an increase in CO2 is warming rather than cooling.
Where is the (your) proof?

G. E. Pease
October 19, 2011 10:29 am

Just like Gore’s movie, “An Inconvenient Truth,” a total fabrication.

Dave
October 19, 2011 10:29 am

Terrific job Anthony. It’ll be interesting to see what happens from your work.
I have to say that I’m quite amazed at your stamina. Not only do you have the best blog I’ve ever seen, which by itself must take an incredible amount of time, but you tirelessly run your own business and now are conducting science experements to provide the simple evidence needed by the (poorly educated) public so they can understand how they’re being duped.
I think I know your secret to getting all of this done… you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express. Come on now, tell us the truth…

Jeff D
October 19, 2011 10:30 am

Thanks Anthony,
Since you don’t get big oil money and nothing from Green Peace I dropped some coins in the tip jar. Have a cold one on me.

Bill Parsons
October 19, 2011 10:31 am

Thanks Anthony. It’s neat that you followed up your earlier critique, and actually replicated the experiment this time. You should send this in to The Journal of Irreproducible Results.
http://www.jir.com/
I just wondered about other people who have done this. I feel a little sorry for science kids being told they have to reproduce the same results.
It’s in – con – ceivable that what happened to you isn’t being replicated a thousand times over to “captive participants” in middle and high school science classes, who have been forced to take up the challenge to “prove the greenhouse effect”, either at home or in their school labs. Given the importance of AGW, you can bet that dedicated pedagogs (and science administrators) used tax money to order thousands of cookie jars and heat lamps, intent on being the first school on their block (with science grants) to “prove” the greenhouse effects. Those items probably aren’t cheap. Some entrepreneur has probably even been marketing “greenhouse in a jar kits”. Bets?
But, given that your results seem more likely, an awful lot of erstwhile scientists must have either slunk home feeling they were a failure, or gotten royally ticked. So where are their results? Why are they not raising a stink about this bogus experiment, and asking for their money back?
If indeed the experiment is a fraud, it should be mandated by every high school administrator with a shred of decency, and repeated til each student demonstrated his unique results, in order to teach some real science in the classrooms across America.

R. Gates
October 19, 2011 10:31 am

This was an excellent job Anthony. I commend your diligence in carrying this out, and I agree with your final analysis. Of course, none of this has anything to do with actual climate science, but merely shows that the Producer of the Gore 101 video was more interested in the flash rather than real science. I do actually doubt whether they ever even attempted to run the experiment themselves, and were more interested on what looked good on video rather than what worked. For example, the narration in the 101 video says:
“take two identical BOTTLES…”
Whereas they actually show glass cookie jars (which are not bottles). The bottles (as used in the BBC experiment) were not very pretty, but of course, as you’ve pointed out, their being plastic bottles allowed for the transmission of IR, whereas in reality, the glass of the cookie jars would block nearly all of it. The glass cookie jars of course looked better and could hold the little globes that the Producer wanted to use, which also meant nothing to the experiment.
There is one final little thing or way in which your experiment differed from the 101 experiment is that the lid was open on the glass jar with the tube going to the CO2, and the CO2 was being pumped in continuously. I had questioned this before, and wonder about it again. Depending on how close the heat lamp was to that tube and how big the opening was, could heated air the air leak into that opening or could heat conduct down the tube into the container? Having the lid open as the 101 experiment did certainly isn’t a very tight thermal seal.
But this matters not…as in the end, I fully agree that I would have lost the bet on whether the experiment as illustrated in the 101 video would have worked or not (even though your’s was not exactly the same). Your analysis on why the illustrated experiment would not work is spot on, and is exactly why the BBC and Mythbusters experiments were successful.
REPLY: Thanks most sincerely, but please let me point out the CO2 was not pumped in continuously. If you’ll watch closely in the video, the actor gives the valve on the CO2 tank a twist one way, then back. It is very brief. That’s an action I know from working with the inline valve myself that I know will give a burst of CO2, but not continuous flow. – Anthony

timg56
October 19, 2011 10:39 am

Forget about commenting on Media Matters.
They have shut down comments on the post slamming Anthony’s demonstration. Probably a good thing. Think of the damage to the self-esteem of all those original commentors who are so obviously better educated, more informed and without doubt possessing a greater degree of forward, progessive thinking capacity than anyone here.

October 19, 2011 10:42 am

It’s telling that the level of trolling here is low.
I’ve never seen any “basic experiment” that shows the effect of CO2 as GHG in the atmosphere. I alway felt that IPCC should have been presenting it, in checkable form, in their Climate Science 101 if it was real. The fact that “real scientist” Bill Nye went along with this now-proven fraud is all the more evidence that no such “basic experiment” exists – surely he would have known about it….
Bill…. Bill…. are you there Bill?
We still have the problem of a massive collapse of basic scientific literacy, I believe, compounded by teaching that is both erroneous and fails to teach “Nullius In Verba” so how can we help establish scientific remedial education……………….. what could WUWT and readers do? Anthony you know what awe I have for the quantity and quality of your work. Now what can us grandparents generation leave as real useful legacy for our grandchildren in this respect?
(bangs drum again) an introduction-to-science-especially-climate-science wiki?

Jeremy
October 19, 2011 10:43 am

“Ray says:
October 19, 2011 at 9:59 am
Now, instead of using two of everything, you should repeat the experiment with only using only one and the same of everything, without moving anything else than the air inside the jar. The differences in the jars could be enough to show the difference you measured. In any case, it is really far fromt he 2F.”
Agreed, however, let us remember that Anthony is trying to prove that AL Gore is a FRAUD nothing more and nothing less.
In the bigger picture/debate (beyond reproducing a high school experiment):
It is actually up to WARMISTAS to PROVE conclusively that man-made Global Warming is REAL and SIGNIFICANT. (They have COMPLETELY FAILED to do this despite all the BLUSTER)
It is NOT up to skeptics to prove conclusively that man-made CO2 isn’t a threat (i.e. to prove a negative)!!!!!!! (This is the unscientific argument that the Warmistas use….they say to the skeptics you cannot prove we’re wrong! Like the Dawkins Teapot – it is impossible to prove conclusively to everyone, beyond any doubt, that there is NOT a small teapot orbiting the earth.)

RockyRoad
October 19, 2011 10:45 am

Robert of Ottawa says:

October 19, 2011 at 8:35 am
Uh-ho … CO2 produces cooling 🙂

So, once the Warmistas digest this inconvenient truth, will they opt for a policy of CO2 reduction to prevent (what they should recognize by deductive reasoning might be) inception of the next Ice Age or will they opt for a policy of CO2 increase to counter (what they claim is) a warming world? ‘Tis certainly a moral dilemma they face.
(On the other hand, they could take the moral high ground and just ban the CO2 bottle experiment altogether as a tool used by a bunch of deniers with an ideological, anti-science agenda.)

October 19, 2011 10:48 am

It’s in the Slashdot submission queue under “Weatherman replicating Al Gore succeeds by failing”, vote it up here: http://slashdot.org/recent

Reed Coray
October 19, 2011 10:48 am

Whether it’s simple physics, physics 101, or high school physics, being able to perform and understand either Al Gore’s original experiment or Anthony’s attempt at replication is obviously several levels above Al Gore’s ability to comprehend.

Doug Allen
October 19, 2011 10:48 am

Kudos for your experiments, Anthony. Gore and company have only themselves to blame for being seen as hypocrites.

RockyRoad
October 19, 2011 10:50 am

gnomish says:
October 19, 2011 at 9:42 am

Anthony- if you repeated the experiment with a cup of water in each jar, you’d shut down the whole climate choir!

As a point of accuracy, use a flat plate with water that covers 70% of the jar’s bottom surface.

RandomThesis
October 19, 2011 10:52 am

There is no reason to continue trying to improve the results from Anthony’s demonstration. Going in using IR lamps and glass jars it was going to fail. Providing better control will not disprove AGW. The only purpose (and result) is to show Gore’s experiment was a fraud. DONE. Making improvements to Gore’s fraud will never turn his sow’s ear into a silk purse.
There is also not enough info to replicate Mythbusters ‘experiment’. Without knowing the gas concentrations its even impossible to judge the implications of what they are demonstrating. They should have changed their shirts to “psuedo-science at work.”

Alan Millar
October 19, 2011 10:52 am

Well done Anthony, I love to see your tenacity.
Of course your ‘experimen’ doesn’t really have anything to say about the Earth’s ‘greenhouse effect’ but it does say a lot about the honesty, morality and ethics of said Al Gore!
I would like that other tenacious warrior Nick Stockes to come on to the thread and defend Al Gore’s behaviour and tactics in this matter.
Alan

DirkH
October 19, 2011 10:57 am

Ralph says:
October 19, 2011 at 8:44 am
“Dear Anthony,
Could you run again, with intense visible light shining through the glass onto a black surface, so that the infared is produced inside the jar. It would be more representative of the Earth, if not of Gore’s version.”
Not really representative of the Earth; the “outgoing” IR would again be absorbed completely by the glass, warming the air inside the jar by contact. Whether CO2 is in the air mix is not important; the average length of way to the next photon absorption under 390 ppm concentration should be on the order of 20m. Even if CO2 in the jar would absorb IR photons from the black surface, it would only re-emit them (just as Steve Mosher says above) and they would again be absorbed by the glass.

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