Dr. Judith Curry writes about the UCAR meeting she attended:
Some insight into the dynamics that resulted in a substantial change in emphasis in climate research is provided by a meeting that I attended earlier this week in Boulder: the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR) Annual Members Meeting. An overview of UCAR is provided at Wikipedia
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The nutshell of Crow’s presentation is this:
A + B = C
- A: scientific and disciplinary knowledge
- B: impacts of A, communication of A and impacts, and translation A for policy makers
- C: policy
Crow argued that the emphasis needs to be on B, which requires an entirely new structure for universities.
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Whereas I had suffered silently through all this, after the panel discussion, I had to make a statement. Here is my general recollection of what I said:
A plus B most emphatically does NOT equal C. A+B=C represents the linear, “truth to power” model of decision making that has been known for decades NOT to work for complex environmental problems.
Decision making associated with the issues of climate and global change can be characterized as decision making under deep uncertainty. The deep uncertainty is associated with our reliance on projections from climate models, which are loaded with uncertainties and do not adequately treat natural climate variability. Further substantial areas of ignorance remain in our basic understanding of some of the relevant phyiscal, chemical and dynamical processes.
If we as scientists are not humble about the uncertainties and areas of ignorance, we have an enormous capacity to mislead decision makers and point them in the direction of poor policies. Uncertainty is essential information for decision makers.
Climate scientists have this very naive understanding of the policy process, which is aptly described by the A+B=C model in the context of the precautionary principle. This naive understanding is reflected in the palpable frustration of many climate scientists at the failure of the “truth” as they “know” it to influence global and national energy and climate policy. This frustration has degenerated into using to word “denier” to refer to anyone who disagrees with them on either the science or the policy solution.
The path that we seem to be on, whereby the science is settled and all we need is better communication and translation of the science to policy makers, not only has the potential to seriously mislead decision makers, but also to destroy atmospheric and climate science in the process.
There was applause. Not a standing ovation, but applause from a substantial segment of the 200+ audience.
There were several other interesting comments in the discussion. One person brought up the point that the U.S. land grant universities had a long tradition of working with decision makers in the context of agricultural extension, etc. Another person put up a new equation, something like this:
C = A + B + X(AB)**n + f(C)
which, to the extent an equation like this is useful, much better reflects the actual decision making process than A+B=C.
At the break, close to 20 people came up to me to thank me for what I said, “somebody had to say it,” and few others who liked what I said but seemed to be hearing this kind of an idea for the first time (I of course steered them to judithcurry.com)
More here h/t to Dr. Roger Pielke Sr.
Scientists are supposed to conduct science, not perform advocacy. It’s one thing to advise when asked. It’s quite another to push for specific policies.
The UCAR has such a vague mission- What the heck is climate and global change? The first term is pretty vague by itself. Global change like the Earth goes around the sun or spins on its axis or possible movements of the centre of the Earth. All bigger changes to the Earth than we do on this tiny bit of the Crust of the Earth.
Bennett says:
October 8, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Not too many months ago you might have been “grumbled down ” a la English Parliament, no?
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There is NO English Parliament. Many English people want one, as currently we are often in the sway of Labour MPs from Scotland, a country with its own parliament. Example – were Scotland removed from our elections (as they have their own parliament, and have had their own legislature for years), then the Tories would have won the last election outright. Instead, England will – until the “West Lothian” question is answered, be in hock to a bunch of socialists from another country.
Rather like the EU in miniature, one might say.
Do policy makers really give a flying whatever what scientists think ?
That concept flys in the face of reelection campaigns and periodic calls for term limits.
If it smells like money and looks like money, both sides of the equation seems to be motivated towards it.
please feel free to substitute POWER for MONEY in the above.
A = assumed science aka consensus
B = the Baloney fed to the public.
C= Control, policies meant to control.
The Alarmists’ problem is that in the “B”. They’ve already gone over-the-top with the doomsday rhetoric. Slowly the general public gets wise to that “the-end-is-near” stuff. If warmers were smart propagandists they would have held back on some of their New York City umderwater crap.
Friends:
The A+B=C equation displays an ignorance based on arrogance.
Politicians do not adopt policies on the basis of “scientific information”: they use “science” as a source of information that can be used to justify policies.
Science is never “settled” and, therefore, the desired information can always be obtained. Similarly, it is always possible to employ a lawyer or an economist who can provide information to bolster a policy.
Richard
Anthony, when you mention thorium power do you mean Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors?
http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/2009/12/01/how-a-liquid-fluoride-thorium-reactor-lftr-works/
http://energyfromthorium.com/lftradsrisks.html
Seems to me the equation should be
B + Ai = C
Let A approach zero and B = C, in the presence of marginal growth of AMO approaching zero and turning negative and in the presence of PDO already negative and solar cycle declining rhythmically.
The time constraint in maintaining the ether theory…er AGW is fast running out.
No wait, the correct form reduces to B + Al (Gore) = C
Resourceguy, it is -Al(Gore) = B(ull)-C(rap)
(cringing as Anthony smites…)
It is not only the science and the communication that needs questioning, but also the precautionary principle as the justification for acting under uncertainty. People should be free to generate CO2 for their benefit until it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that doing so is harmful to others – that is the approach that is consistent with individual rights. If we can restrict peoples’ behavior because something they do might be bad, we are inviting the shackles.
Judith Curry,
I bet it felt good saying it! Because it felt good hearing you say it!
John
tenet . . . dude , please support the cause.
Actually, day after day, you do much better than 50% by saying, “Tomorrow will be like today”.