Video analysis and scene replication suggests that Al Gore's Climate Reality Project fabricated their Climate 101 video "Simple Experiment"

UPDATE2 10/18/2011 – The experiment has been replicated several ways, see:

Replicating Al Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment shows that his “high school physics” could never work as advertised

UPDATE: New images added prove without a doubt the faked split screen. See below.

It has been over a week now since the Gore-a-thon aka “24 hours of climate reality”. The front page of the Climate Reality Project has changed from “live mode” to offering clips of video shown during the 24 hour presentation. Note the circled video on the front page below Mr. Gore. I’ve discovered that by watching carefully it reveals an “inconvenient truth” of the worst kind.

Analysis of this “Climate 101” video highlighted on Mr. Gore’s website is something I’ve been working on for the past week and a half. It has been carefully reviewed (with video graphics tools) and has been inspected by a number of science, engineering, and television professionals I’ve had review the video, my video captures, annotations, and writeup to be certain I have not missed anything or come to an erroneous conclusion. It also took me awhile to locate and get the items shipped to me to do the work I needed before I wrote this article. Now that I have them, and have done some simple replications to confirm my suspicions, I can write about them while presenting corroborating photographic evidence.

First, I wish to direct your attention to this video, produced by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project titled “Climate 101”.  I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:20. I suggest you click on the little X-arrow icon to expand full screen of the right of the slider tool bar, since this video is in high-definition and the details of my concerns require that higher resolution to view them properly.

It is worth watching a couple of times to get fully familiar with the sequence.

I’ve been in television broadcasting for over 20 years, and I’m quite familiar with editing tricks, I think I spotted more than a few in the video.

There are five scenes that appear, each an edit in that 20 second span of video during which an experiment is set up which supposedly demonstrates that CO2 in a heated jar causes that jar to be warmer than a second heated jar with ambient air in it.

In that 20 second span, I looked for things that changed, indicating that it wasn’t done in a continuous shot. I found evidence that the scene was changed at least three times, suggesting multiple takes.

The giveaways were that I saw objects change in the scene, most notably the CO2 tank, which has three different rotation positions. See the video captures from the Climate 101 video below, with my annotations. Note the position of the safety valve (1) and the label (2) change (click images for HD resolution):

Climate 101 scene @1:01 –

Climate 101 scene @1:05 –

Climate 101 scene @1:09 –

(UPDATE 10:27AM : spotted by commenter “mkelly” – note the thermometers are reversed in the 1:05 video capture versus the 1:09 video capture – note the green card mark on the thermometer scale as explained further in the story) So clearly, this wasn’t done in one take. By itself, there’s nothing wrong with that, but it did make me wonder why for such a simple sequence (putting the tube in the jar) they had to have three separate edits.

Such a simple thing could surely have been accomplished in a single take. All they would have had to do was zoom the camera in/out as the actor did the work, then take the appropriate scenes from the single shot to the final cut. They could have done several continuous takes and chosen the best one, it just seemed odd they had to keep moving/rotating the bottle to do it. It made me wonder if the experiment maybe didn’t go so well and they had to keep trying it.

These scene discontinuities made me curious, and it made me look further to see what else might have been edited in such a way to reveal that what looks like a continuous flow of scenes…actually isn’t.

I’m glad I did.

Now I know there will be lots of arguments about whether this experiment is a valid test of CO2 greenhouse theory or not. It is deceptively simple, and it fits with the claims of it is “high school physics” made by Al Gore and others before and during the 24 hour Climate Reality Project. His specific claim was:

“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011

Let’s put the arguments about applicability of the experiment aside for the moment, and just concentrate on what was presented in the experiment section of the video, because there is plenty to look at in the video with a skeptical eye.

One thing that caught my eye after I noticed the edits with the CO2 tank positions changing was the split screen scene with the thermometers side by side, one with temperature rising faster than the other. It is located starting at 1:10 in the video continuing to 1:17 it is the longest “continuous” scene in experiment section of the video, though we all know that thermometers don’t jump up in spurts like that.

I figured at first they just cut down a longer continuous scene, done with two cameras, so that it fit into the time allotted and then rotated from horizontal and edited them in split screen, which are tried and true techniques, and there’s nothing wrong with doing that.

But thanks to the fact that this was shot in HD video, and because I was able to expand the video to full resolution outside of the web page format bounding, I noticed something that gave me reason to doubt the veracity of this section of video. I suspected it had been faked, but it would take me some time and materials to prove it.

One thing that struck me was how clean the image of the two thermometers was. Remember this is an experiment where the two thermometers are placed inside two glass jars. A proper experimental procedure would be to film them while they are inside of the jars, experiencing the conditions of the experiment, in fact, they were presented just like that with a closeup at 1:02 in the video, you can actually read the thermometer scale:

Note this video capture at 1:02 looks quite different from the video at 1:17 showing the thermometers split screen. There are several differences:

1. Throughout the video from 1:00 to 1:20, the thermometers in the jar are shown horizontal, the split screen at 1:17 shows the thermometers vertical.

2. There’s a greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all.

3. The split screen thermometer scene has not a hint of the optical distortion seen at 1:02 in the video. Note that the thermometer scale is distorted by the glass, and if you look closely by expanding the video capture above to full resolution by clicking on it, you’ll see that the tick marks are distorted differently all along the scale. This is what you would expect from thick glass like the jar is made of.

I considered these possibilities for each point above:

1. That was editing to show the thermometers side by side, perfectly acceptable if the edit was done from combining two separate video streams filmed simultaneously on two cameras while the temperature was rising inside the jar. Cutting down the time is also acceptable, which would account for the “spurts”

2. They may have placed a paper or cardboard background behind the thermometers while filming in the jars to make the scales more visible and to remove visual clutter, but didn’t show it in the video. While using such backgrounds is understandable, not showing that you have done so is a bit of a no-no, but it isn’t a deal killer.

3. While I thought about it a lot, I couldn’t reconcile the glass caused optical distortion issue. Why was it missing from the split screen thermometer scene? I decided I couldn’t  answer the question without getting my hands on the objects and re-creating the optical situation with a camera.

That took some doing, because Al’s “high school physics” experiment didn’t come with a bill of materials and list of suppliers. So, in my spare time I started looking for the jars, the thermometers, and the globes so that I could exactly recreate the experiment scene.

I found them all, thanks to Google visual image search and Ebay.

Replicating the scene – materials:

Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543

Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury

http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/

Globe Coin Bank

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386

It took a few days for everything to arrive from the three different suppliers, here they are all together on my desk at work, I actually bought two sets:

What I wanted to do was to recreate the closeup shot like we see in the video at 1:02 to see if I saw similar optical distortions, then see if there was any way that I could get a clear closeup view of the thermometer scale like we see in the split screen at 1:10-1:17.

My theory was that the thermometers aren’t actually in the jar when they were photographed for the split screen.

Checking for optical aberrations:

I used a piece of double-sided foam tape to affix the thermometer:

Here’s a closeup of the thermometer affixed to the globe. Note how clear and distortion free the scale is.

Here’s my attempts at photography of the thermometer inside the jar. I had a lot of trouble getting focused on the thermometer scale due to the autofocus mechanism being distracted by the glass which is in the foreground. Note that you can see the optical aberrations caused by the glass on the thermometer scale. The scale is not straight and the tick marks are also distorted.

Here’s another photo – I could not get the macro view focus right due to the glass confusing the autofocus sensor:

I decided that my camera was inadequate for this particular task, so I called in a someone who has a professional camera with a high quality professional lens capable of manual focus and macro function. It is a far cry from my little Kodak Easy Share Z1012 used to make the photos above:

  • Camera – Canon 1D Mark IV
  • Lens – Canon MACRO 100mm 1:2.8 L IS USM

Just as I did with my clunky little Kodak camera, the photographer had a lot of trouble getting a clear shot through the glass. Below is a collection of shots done by that photographer at different distances and focus settings on the professional camera. Note that I also rotated the jar to see is different sections made anything clearer. Click any thumbnail to enlarge it (warning large download ~ 10MB each)

The professional photography setup also could not capture an image through the glass jar that looked as clear as what was shown by my photo with the thermometer outside the glass, or as clear as the split screen images presented in the Climate 101 video from 1:10 to 1:17. I invite readers to inspect the images above carefully, examine the EXIF data of the unedited original JPEG images presented at the native resolution of the Canon 1D camera at 4296×3264 pixels and examine for yourselves if it is possible to shoot the thermometer scale through the glass and get an image that is free from any distortions.

Neither I nor the professional photographer could get a clear image through the jar glass that matched the clarity of the thermometer scales seen in the split screen, so I am forced to conclude that in the split screen scene from 1:10 to 1:17 on the Climate 101 video, the thermometers are not in the jars.

But wait, there’s more.

The background behind the thermometers:

Remember point 2 above where I was concerned about the greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video from 1:00 to 1:20? Well, there’s something odd about that too. The background appears identical in both sides of the split screen. What first tipped me off was a speck on the thermometer.

Here’s a video capture from the start of the split screen sequence. I’ve highlighted something I found curious, a speck on the thermometer scale that appears on both thermometers:

At first I thought it was dust, but then I realized that wasn’t possible, as dust would NOT appear identically on both thermometers in the split screen. I surmised it might be a manufacturing defect, printed on the scale. Fortunately, I have two thermometers from the same manufacturer that I can compare to. Here’s my closeup of them:

Nope, no speck, so it isn’t a manufacturing defect common to all thermometers.

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Side note: Note above in the thermometer closeup how the scales are offset, this is due to the manufacturer hand calibrating these glass thermometers by trimming the card with the scale printed on it so 98.6 lines up with the top of the fluid line when the thermometers are placed in the temperature test well. Glassblowing is an inexact science, and each thermometer must be calibrated by a technician, then sealed. You can see how the cards don’t match here:

We can see this in the Climate 101 video also:

The green section of the card for the scale is clearly different lengths as part of the trimming process for calibration, so clearly we have two different thermometers.

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OK, back to the main issue.

In addition to the identical speck on the two thermometer scales, I noted several other identical specks and aberrations in the split screen video. I’ve listed them by number on two video captures below from two different times in the video (click images to enlarge for best viewing):

Climate 101 video @1:10 –

Climate 101 video @1:16 –

I have 8 labeled points that are identical between each frame @1:10 and @ 1:16 In fact they are identical on every video frame from 1:10 to 1:17. The only thing that changes is the blue liquid in the thermometer tube.

  1. Dots on left top glass edge match exactly
  2. Speck on right top glass edge matches exactly
  3. Smudge/discoloration near number “38” on scale matches exactly
  4. Speck in background matches exactly
  5. Speck near number 98 on scale matches exactly
  6. Tick mark pattern near number “36” matches exactly
  7. Smudge in background matches exactly
  8. Reflective highlight in glass tube matches exactly
  9. While not numbered, note how the background shading matches exactly

Conclusions

With 9 points of agreement between the two images through all video frames there is only one possible conclusion:

The split screen is showing the same piece of video, shot by a single camera and edited to make it appear as two separate pieces of video with two separate thermometers. All that is required is to apply edits along different portions of the timeline. It is the same video shot by the same camera on each side of the split screen.

Summary of what was discovered:

  1. The video of the experiment showing filling of the jar with CO2 was shot in multiple takes because the CO2 cylinder has three different positions between 1:00 and 1:10. It suggests the experiment didn’t go smoothly and had to be repeated.
  2. The thermometers in the split screen appear not to have been filmed through the glass of the jars, because the split screen video contains no optical aberrations of any kind. Neither myself nor the photographer with professional gear was able to get clear shots through the jar glass that equaled the clarity of the thermometer scales shown in the split screen video. This strongly suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video showing temperature rise.
  3. The greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all, and not in the jars, suggesting it was used only for that scene, which also suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video sequence.
  4. The video of the split screen shows two identical backgrounds, and two identical thermometers with 9 points of exact agreement in the backgrounds and the thermometers. Clearly the split screen contains two copies of the same video from one camera, edited in the timeline to make the liquid in the thermometer rise at different rates.

The only conclusion one can make from these four points is that the video of the “simple experiment” is a complete fabrication done in post production.

I’ve double checked my work, and I’ve had other people look at this video and the points I make and they see the same issues. They concur the video of the experiment was fabricated using editing techniques too.

While everyone can make mistakes (I know, I’ve made some big ones myself), this isn’t a case of a simple mistake, its a production that had to have been screened and approved before releasing it. It is mind blowing that this video, which was intended to be shown to millions of people (recall that Mr. Gore’s claim was 8.6 million views), was not clearly identified as an illustration or artistic license and not a true record of an experiment if that was their intent. Yet, they invite viewers to try replicating it themselves.

This level of fabrication on something that is so simple makes me wonder. Mr. Gore claimed in the MNN interview on 9/14 that:

“It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.”

Why then, does Mr. Gore’s organization go to such lengths to fabricate the presentation of the “simple high school physics experiment” they say proves the issue in that venue? Perhaps they couldn’t get the experiment to work properly using the materials chosen?  Maybe it might not be so easy to perform at home after all? Maybe a few controls are necessary such as the Mythbusters team used in the video below. Why else would they need to fake it in post?

Even if Mr. Gore and his team wanted to claim “artistic license” for editing the video for the experiment, why would they do so if it is so easy to replicate and do yourself? The narrator, Bill Nye the Science Guy actually invites people to do so at about 0:46 in the video. Why not simply do the experiment and record the results for all to see? Of course a one word lower third caption on the video at that point saying “DRAMATIZATION” would be all that was needed to separate a real experiment from one fabricated in post production – but they didn’t do that. I’ve watched the film several times, checked the audio, and the credits at the end. There is no mention nor notice of any dramatization regarding the “simple experiment” segment that I can find.

If Mr. Gore’s team actually performed the experiment and has credible video documenting the success of his simple “high school physics” exercise, I suggest that in the interest of clarity, now is the time to make it available.

About the experiment:

So far all I’ve concentrated on is the stagecraft I observed. It’s clearly obvious that the split screen scene with thermometers was not filmed inside the cookie jars. I’ve established that it is a staged production from start to finish and the split screen of two thermometers but was edited from a continuous video of a single thermometer with temperature rising then frame sequences were inserted out of order to compose each side of the split screen.

Of course the whole Climate 101 CO2 experiment is questionable to begin with, because it doesn’t properly emulate the physical mechanisms involved in heating our planet. Note the heat lamps used, likely one of these based on the red color we see in the lamp fixture:

Heat lamps like this produce visible red light and short wave infrared (SWIR is 1.4-3 µm wavelength). As we know from the classic greenhouse effect, glass blocks infrared so none of the SWIR was making it into the cookie jar. All that would do is heat the glass. John Tyndall’s 1850’s experiments used rock salt windows, which transmit infrared, for exactly that reason. Adding insult to injury, CO2 has no SWIR absorption bands. What CO2 does have though is higher density than air. The gas in the cookie jars was primarily heated by conduction in contact with the SWIR-heated glass.

Moreover, the CO2 injection in one cookie jar would raise it from 0.04% CO2 to very near 100% CO2 which is hardly comparable to the atmosphere going from 0.03% to 0.04% CO2 during the industrial age. Gore’s team provides no indication of the concentration of CO2 in the jar, that’s hardly scientific. Here’s how current greenhouse theory works:

Graphic by Ira Glickstein, PhD. for WUWT - click image for source article

All that said, in principle it does demonstrate that CO2 absorbs long wave infrared (LWIR 8–15 µm). Energy would likely be transmitted into the gas through conduction with the heated glass (which would likely get very hot) and it would then re-radiate inside the cookie jar as LWIR, and cause the CO2 jar to heat up faster and higher. But this is hardly news. The LWIR absorptive characteristics of many different gases under different pressures and mixtures was experimentally verified in thousands of experiments performed by Tyndall 150 years ago.

With this apparatus Tyndall observed new chemical reactions produced by high frequency light waves acting on certain vapors. The main scientific interest here, from his point of view, was the additional hard data it lent to the grand question of the mechanism by which molecules absorb radiant energy. Image: Wikipedia

This characteristic of CO2 is the theory of operation for millions of CO2 sensors routinely employed in commercial buildings with high occupancy rates to determine when ventilation fans should turn on and off to exhaust the CO2 buildup from a lot of people breathing the same air in a confined space.

So while some might say the stagecraft involved in the Climate 101 presentation wasn’t dishonest it was most assuredly staged with great literary license and dramatization of an effect that was experimentally verified elsewhere with far greater precision and attention to replicating the real world.

I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.

If Mr. Gore wants to convince the world, he’d do far better at emulating the Mythbusters TV show; show all the materials, steps, measurement, and results like they do.

As it stands, the video fabrications in the “simple experiment” by Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project is no better than the stagecraft done by Senator Tim Wirth turning off the air conditioning (to make it hot in the room) when Dr. James Hansen testified before lawmakers in June 1988 about CO2 being a problem.

The public, and especially young budding scientific minds, deserve better than stagecraft.

Of course LWIR radiative CO2 heat retention is only a small part of the global warming issue. There are still raging debates over climate sensitivity, uncertainty, feedbacks, and most recently whether clouds provide positive or negative feedbacks in our atmosphere.

But from my point of view, if everything is so certain, the science so settled, why does Mr. Gore resort to these cheap stagecraft tricks to convince people?

UPDATE: In comments, Mariss Freimanis runs a Photoshop difference analysis, proving the split screen image is the same. He emailed his analysis to me, shown below.

analysis_before
analysis_right_thermo

From Mariss

1) I have attached ‘analysis_before’ which is a cropped shot of your original with it’s circles and arrows.

2) The ‘analysis_right_thermo’ is the right thermometer overlaid already positioned to overlay the the left thermometer.

3) The ‘image_analysis_after’ shows the results of subtracting away the right overlay from the underlying left image.

Comments:

1) The  attached jpegs are reasonably sized in the sense that they don’t throw away any information. The ‘after’ image black area still contains some residual ‘non-black’ background noise from the subtraction process. This is largely due to my choice of a times-4 repixelation of the original. The image offset was not precisely 0.25 pixels so it reflects some residual image alignment errors.

2) This method reveals minute differences between two images. For the background to be as featureless as it is, it requires both thermometer’s reflections to be identically lit from the exact same light source angle (parallel ray source), their seemingly identical mottled green backgrounds to actually be identical and of course, the thermometers would have to have exactly the same ‘fingerprint’ flaws. It would take one hell of a telephoto lens to see both thermometers from exactly the same perspective. This is inconceivable.

3) The 0.25 pixel offset drift is significant because it reveals the same thermometer was used to sequentially film the composite image. Little things change with time such as thermal expansion. It marks the passage of time. That drift indicates they weren’t filmed simultaneously.

For those that might be concerned about the images above not being full resolution HD and having annotations, here’s the before and after difference image at 1:17 in the video:

original video capture - click to enlarge
difference process run at full resolution - click to enlarge

Note the only thing that changes is the fluid level and the reflection of it (thin line to the right) in the glass tube. This proves the “result” split screen is the same image, not two thermometers showing results.

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September 28, 2011 6:46 pm

Robert Clemenzi says:
September 28, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Above, John Day tried to make a comparison to Mars. He claims that Mars has more CO2 than Earth and then wonders why that doesn’t make the planet warmer. He then suggests that this paradox invalidates the CO2/greenhouse connection. He is not alone in this line of reasoning. However, what everyone misses is that it is the total mass of the atmosphere that is important. The atmosphere captures and stores energy during the day. Water vapor and CO2 release that energy back to the surface (mostly at night). Without the atmosphere to store energy, there is no significant greenhouse effect. Also, note that energy is captured in the Earth’s atmosphere by both water vapor and CO2. Since Mars lacks water vapor, less energy can be captured during the days. As a result, CO2 has almost no effect on Mars, but a much smaller amount is very important on Earth.

Robert, you seem to be agreeing with me that CO2 has virtually no effect on Mars and that Earth has a lot less CO2 (per unit area) than Mars. So what does Earth have that Mars doesn’t?
Water vapor!
You go on to say that, on Mars, CO2 doesn’t have much capacity to store heat. So, on Earth, that capacity must even smaller because there is 30 times less CO2. So what’s storing the heat?
Water vapor!
So I think you’re saying, in effect, that you can make a very fine stew out of stones (CO2), but only if you add some meat and veggies (water vapor)!
You overlooked an important factor, albedo, which affects the emissivity of “grey bodies” like Earth and Mars. Earth has higher albedo, so less emissivity of trapped heat. Yes, higher albedo also means higher reflectivity, but Kirchoff’s Law dictates that it must retard emissions by the same amount. Guess what makes Earth’s albedo higher?
Water vapor!
I sense you don’t know a lot about radiative physics because of your statement “Water vapor and CO2 release that energy back to the surface (mostly at night). ” Of course, blackbody emission of energy is not affected by the absorption of external radiation, but only by the temperature and emissivity of the emitting body. So, hotter surfaces (during the day) emit more radiation than at night. Good absorbers are also good emitters, and vice-versa.
So water vapor, not CO2, turns out to be the evil villain in driving Earth’s temperature (287K) comfortably above the blackbody temp (254K). But the eco-Fabians know that they can’t tax clouds, so CO2 has become the sacrificial scapegoat.
😐

DR
September 28, 2011 6:46 pm

The Mythbusters experiment doesn’t declare the concentration levels of the gases, but the monitor showed the CO2 was at 7.3% and methane at 8.1 ppm, but at no point of the test did they report the test run concentrations. Just because the concentrations can be measured to PPB, does not mean they could be controlled at those levels. And what usefulness is it to say a 1 deg difference in temperature is conclusive? Of what? Very sloppy. Sheesh.
For the experiment to be done correctly, besides the fact it is still in a closed system (or appears to be), they should have used one box, run a test with air, purge and repeat with the next gas. Better still, use all three boxes and do the same. It wouldn’t hurt to measure the pressure either.
Other than Brehmer not using an analyzer to measure the CO2 levels, the results regardless should be fairly obvious the ‘greenhouse effect in a bottle’ experiment is a complete bust. Maybe he should have measured both with air only first, but really, who seriously contends after poking the holes in the jar tops the temperature readings being equal as purely a result of a poorly designed experiment? That the air filled jar temperature dropped several degrees is good enough alone to prove his point.
So I was playing around with this http://jersey.uoregon.edu/vlab/Piston/ . I don’t understand how Brehmer is a physics illiterate.

DCC
September 28, 2011 6:48 pm

Pardon if I am repeating what was said in the Mythbuster video; I could not hear any sound on that clip and it seemed to be running at double speed.
RBateman (September 28, 2011 at 9:15 am) says “I suspect the non-CO2 injected jar (lid closed) would be the one that actually warmed, thus the switcheroo.” That’s true. The sealed jar containing air would heat up more than the jar with CO2 for two reasons.
1. The heat of compression would affect the sealed-air jar, warming it. But the CO2 was allowed to expand and would not be affected by compression. See http://myweb.cableone.net/carlallen/Site/Greenhouse%20In%20A%20Bottle-Reconsidered.html
2. Continually refreshing the CO2 would not only make the CO2 in the jar be that of the CO2 exiting the cylinder but, unless the cylinder were artificially warmed, the expansion of the CO2 would produce a continuous stream of cooler CO2, replacing the CO2 in the jar and nullifying any heating that might have occurred.
The experiment, as described, could not possibly have the results claimed. In fact, the container with air would heat up more than the one with CO2.
This is not a case of simple editing magic. It’s a complete fraud. They could NOT have gotten the results that they reported!

Steve in SC
September 28, 2011 6:57 pm

Wobble you are correct. Boyle did not lie to us..
Pesky things those BTUs.

Jay
September 28, 2011 7:03 pm

Wow Anthony, you’ve outdone yourself. TV staged! – surely no!
“Moreover, the CO2 injection in one cookie jar would raise it from 0.04% CO2 to very near 100% CO2 which is hardly comparable to the atmosphere going from 0.03% to 0.04% CO2 during the industrial age.”
In the real world the lower atmosphere is highly saturated in the IR absorption sense and CO2 doesn’t get properly potent until you get to the low pressure/temperature conditions higher up (hence the prediction of an atmospheric hot spot in the troposphere) – the additional heat then transports its way back down to ground level; see Cloud and Plass’s experiments in the early 50s. At kitchen level you will need more CO2 (the CO2/temp relationship being logarithmic) to see temps rise.
Of course The Climate Reality Project could have replicated those conditions too, but I think they were trying to demonstrate something you could do at home with your kids.
Glacierman Says:
“Even without the editing, this experiment is debunked:
http://myweb.cableone.net/carlallen/Site/Greenhouse%20In%20A%20Bottle-Reconsidered.html
Dr Says:
“All one needs to is watch the video that Glacierman linked to. It has nothing to do with aberrations of the thermometer readings or anything else. It is so obvious once one understands what the real world basic physics are, the Gore “experiment” is worse than a carnival shell game.
WATCH THE VIDEO!!
http://myweb.cableone.net/carlallen/Site/Greenhouse%20In%20A%20Bottle-Reconsidered.html
The vid and web page argue that pressure is the reason for the temperature rise, not IR absorption. CO2 is a heavy gas and thus exerts more pressure the author asserts – which is what causes the warming.
Err, no.
The real world basic physics are that Pressure is Force which is Mass * Velocity.
CO2 indeed has more mass that most, but as a consequence of having more mass CO2 molecules also have proportionally less velocity – they balance out. Force will always be a function of the energy which is the same regardless of the make of gas molecule.
The reason our intrepid investigator’s jars didn’t warm with the lid off (to prevent pressure build up) was because the lid was off.
Anyhow Anthony – you’ve got all the kit, why not give it a go and replicate the experiment. I eagerly await the video production.
Best,
JasonP.
p.s. Monckton, you really should pursue those serious criminal charges.

Robb876
September 28, 2011 7:07 pm

Wow, this is by far your best work yet…

September 28, 2011 7:08 pm

Mariss says on September 28, 2011 at 5:44 pm

I have the PhotoShop .psd file but I can’t find a way to post it here. In this case a picture really is worth a thousand words.

Would it be possible for you to ‘render’ a jpg output difference image – then save that on http://tinypic.com/ ? (tinypic.com will prompt for file name, offer an option to choose from your local HD etc, you will have a captcha to answer and that is about the hardest thing to do.)
Then post the link here on another post that tinypic creates pointing to the jpg file?
.

September 28, 2011 7:19 pm

Yale Paper Shows That Climate Science Skeptics Are More Scientifically Educated
That explains the mass of uneducated mouth-breathers who believe Al Gore’s science fiction fantasies.

Jeff
September 28, 2011 7:21 pm

The moment that the tube prevented the jar from closing, the rest of the “experiment” was a sham. High school chemistry, not physics. The problem with the Mythbusters experiment is that it fails to account for the fact that the earth’s atmosphere can expand and contract. Performing the experiment in balloons (the big, half-inflated, weather balloons) would be more accurate than fixed-capacity chambers.

Dreadnought
September 28, 2011 7:26 pm

Nicely done, Anthony – you’ve really skewered these shysters! I hope this gains traction in the MSM.
I look forward to reading the results when you have replicated their ‘experiment’ as they showed in the video. Whilst it’s widely accepted that CO2 is a GHG, their method of conducting this ‘experiment’ is a total crock.
BTdubs, great to see Dellers over at The Telegraph has covered your excellent work on this.

R. Gates
September 28, 2011 7:28 pm

wobble says:
September 28, 2011 at 6:26 pm
R. Gates, if the experiment is sooo difficult that it needed to be faked, then they shouldn’t claim that anyone can do this experiment at home.
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It was obvious they were not intending this to be an actual experiment conducted for television. It was all a stylized illustration…no different than if they had simply used animation to show how to conduct the experiment. If they had not been using comical stop-animation techniques, and thermometers rising to the beat of the music, etc. I might have an issue with it, or if they had said, “we conducted the following experiment, which you can do at home…” But they didn’t.
But as it is, fancifal videos or not, Al Gore’s message is currently falling on more and more deaf ears, regardless of the techniques he uses to proselytize. People are now more concerned about jobs and/or their rapidly shrinking 401Ks, etc. The global warming and climate change message is being drowned by the rising oceans of economic worry…i.e. who cares if the climate is changing if I might lose my house, my job, and will have to work until I’m 80 because the Banksters have stolen everything.

September 28, 2011 7:31 pm

DR says on September 28, 2011 at 6:46 pm
The Mythbusters experiment …
For the experiment to be done correctly, besides the fact it is still in a closed system (or appears to be), they should have used one box, run a test with air, purge and repeat with the next gas. Better still, use all three boxes and do the same. …

This part struck me, speaker on video says: “These thermometers measure a tenth of a Centigrade” [sic] BUT of course we know this does _not_ necessarily mean that this is the accuracy of those devices … nor do we know how closely all three indicated (correlated) beforehand … I too would have liked to see an initial run with _no_ added GH gases then a run with; THEN the statement the kid at the end issues MIGHT have some validity.
Otherwise, we have another case of ‘confirmation bias’ as in: ‘ we found what we were looking for, and that is adding a GHG causes a temp rise in the box‘ as opposed to a proper experiment where it could more properly said IMO: “There is an indication that the addition of a GHG causes a definite, measurable rise in the temperature of the box specific to the species of GHG, on the order of x.x C degrees for Methane and x.x degrees C for CO2, corrected for deviations from baseline (no GHG) for the addition of the two respective GHGs.
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davidmhoffer
September 28, 2011 7:32 pm

Rob Honeycutt says:
September 28, 2011 at 3:51 pm
1. The experiment wasn’t done as claimed.
2. Even if it was, it is completely invalid in terms of the climate system.
3, IF it is so simple that high school students do it every day as you claim, why couldn’t Gore and company, why not just video tape some high school students doing i?
The experiment I mean.
R. Gates
That last comment of yours needs no rebuttal. It stands on its own as a farcical attempt to defend the indefensible. Nothing I’ve ever seen you post so discredits you as that comment.

Mariss
September 28, 2011 7:33 pm

Mariss says on September 28, 2011 at 5:44 pm

Jim asks:
“Would it be possible for you to ‘render’ a jpg output difference image”
It’s being done right now. The ‘difference’ method is a very definitive way of identifying minute differences between two images. The assumption is subtracting away one image from another one on a pixel by pixel level should leave a sum of zero (pure black). If they are identical, the sum should be zero. Any non-zero residual results in our eyes interpreting the presentation as a shape. It allows us to spot minute differences between two images.

September 28, 2011 7:36 pm

R. Gates says September 28, 2011 at 7:28 pm
The “R. Gates Blog” – some of us are still waiting for it …
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September 28, 2011 7:43 pm

Where is/was the “Control?” Every experiment I did in highschool had a “control.” Why don’t they have a third chamber filled with a “NON” GHG to show “NO Effect?” Because even it would be a farce and would not work. The whole thing is pure stagecraft propaganda – for show only.

t stone
September 28, 2011 7:44 pm

Manbearpig will be anti-science as long as he and his followers believe “the ends justify the means”, and it is obvious they could care less about the means. For them it’s all about the message. The only “how” they care about is: how can we separate the gullible masses from their hard-earned cash and enrich ourselves?
The high school physics quote is classic argument-from-intimidation, just another one of their tactics to drive the old message home. /But if you want to see for yourself, you can do this experiment at home and see how CO2 will drive the temperature of the globe into oblivion. Is it warm in here, or is it me? Look at that thermometer jump! /sarc
Science, IMO, requires that the ends determine the means. The “how” is what good science seeks to answer, and the means are everything to finding the correct answer. I guess the alarmists already have that one figured out. How convenient for them; now all they have to do is sell it.
Anthony, you obviously put a great deal of thought and effort into this, and truly care about the means. Science through and through. Wonderful job.

Anthony Scalzi
September 28, 2011 7:49 pm

mkelly says:
September 28, 2011 at 9:33 am
For the same amount of time and Q being equal I cannot see how the temperature of the CO2 could be higher. Please show me the error of my ways.
I think you got yours Qs mixed up. Qin provided by the heat lamps should be the same for each cookie jar, but Q retained by the gases( air vs CO2) is what is supposed to differ.

R. Gates
September 28, 2011 7:52 pm

davidmhoffer says:
September 28, 2011 at 7:32 pm
“R. Gates
That last comment of yours needs no rebuttal. It stands on its own as a farcical attempt to defend the indefensible. Nothing I’ve ever seen you post so discredits you as that comment.”
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I am not defending the video, but neither am I critical of it. It is what it is. It was never meant to be a documentation of an actual experiment being conducted. It was obviously illustrative and the plentiful stop-action animation and other obvious editing techniques with thermometers rising to the beat of the music, etc. give plent of clues to that. You might as well prove that Lord of the Rings was edited…except the Gore video was illustrative of something that could be replicated and has been replicated and Lord of the Rings is fantasy. Get it?
REPLY: Like I said earlier, bullshit of the highest order. – Anthony

wobble
September 28, 2011 7:59 pm

R. Gates says:
September 28, 2011 at 7:28 pm
It was obvious they were not intending this to be an actual experiment conducted for television. It was all a stylized illustration…no different than if they had simply used animation to show how to conduct the experiment.

Why would a “stylized illustration” be easier to video than the actual experiment? They already had all the materials. But for that matter, why would an animation be easier than the actual experiment? Is the experiment that difficult to perform?

davidmhoffer
September 28, 2011 8:05 pm

R. Gates;
I am not defending the video, but neither am I critical of it. It is what it is. It was never meant to be a documentation of an actual experiment being conducted.>>>
So… you’re not defending it, but then you go on to… defend it.
LOL.
R. Gates;
You might as well prove that Lord of the Rings was edited…>>>
So, you’re comparing this video to a fantasy movie? I think that’s probably fair. Like the scene (for example) where everyone is on horseback and then a moment later there’s no horses at all, they just went poof and disappeared with no explanation? Like that?
When you’ve shot off both feet R. Gates, you can choose to stop pulling the trigger… or else aim for the knees. You’ve managed to shoot off both your knees now too, and yet you want to keep pulling the trigger… I can’t bear to watch. But morbid fascination demands that I do.
Go ahead. MAKE MY DAY.

Robert in Calgary
September 28, 2011 8:05 pm

When I first saw this item, I wondered, how long til R. Gates shows up to defend it.
Bingo!

September 28, 2011 8:07 pm

R. Gates says:
September 28, 2011 at 7:52 pm
I am not defending the video, but neither am I critical of it. It is what it is. It was never meant to be a documentation of an actual experiment being conducted.

Good grief man, watch the video with the sound on.
At about the 45 second mark you hear “if you want, you can replicate this effect yourself in this simple lab experiment…” and then the video, as explained by Anthony and many others in this thread, shows an “experiment” that if you attempt to replicate in the manner shown, will be totally meaningless.
Will the CO2 cool the inside of the bottle?
Will the “sealed” air bottle retain more heat than the “unsealed” CO2 added bottle?
Are the heat sources equal distance from each thermometer?
And many other question have been asked.
Even if they said “this is a dramatization” or overlaid the words over the video, once they said here’s an experiment you can do yourself, they really need to show the correct steps and methodology you would replicate.
Gore fail.
Nye fail.
R. Gates fail.

R. Gates
September 28, 2011 8:07 pm

R. Gates said: “I am not defending the video, but neither am I critical of it. It is what it is. It was never meant to be a documentation of an actual experiment being conducted. It was obviously illustrative and the plentiful stop-action animation and other obvious editing techniques with thermometers rising to the beat of the music, etc. give plent of clues to that. You might as well prove that Lord of the Rings was edited…except the Gore video was illustrative of something that could be replicated and has been replicated and Lord of the Rings is fantasy. Get it?
REPLY: Like I said earlier, bullshit of the highest order. – Anthony
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That;’s your opinion Anthony, and WUWT is your playground, so you will always have the last word.

Daniel H
September 28, 2011 8:09 pm

Watch the BBC video again and you will notice that the lamp shining on the enhanced CO2 bottle is marked with a small piece of black tape (on the lower part of the lamp stem). This could be interpreted to mean that something is different about that lamp. Interestingly, Dr. Aderin-Pocock performed the same experiment in a different BBC program that was discussed on WUWT back in December 2009. In that video, the enhanced CO2 bottle is on the left side instead of being on the right side. Not surprisingly, the lamp with the black tape was also moved to the left side in order to stay aligned with the enhanced CO2 bottle.

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