Story submitted by Richard Abbott
At the last Australian federal election the incumbent government lead by prime minister Julia Gillard’s Labor party stood with a “no carbon tax policy”. To form a minority Labor party government three elected independent members sided with Labor and to ensure upper house control of legislation change the Greens offered their solidarity provided a carbon tax was introduced.
Currently Australian parliament is debating the carbon tax bill, which has emerged with a rather bitter and poisonous pill. The carbon tax legislation’s emission right is to be treated as conventional property rights, therefore making it almost impossible to repeal once enacted, because of the enormous compensation that the Australian government of the day would be required to pay to the 500 polluting companies being forced to purchase carbon emissions permit credits.
Sadly Labor accepts the Gore camp theory and leaves no chance for repeal when global climate change is found not to be caused by industrial man. The poisonous pill added was to prevent the Liberal opposition party repealing the carbon tax legislation at the next federal election in 2013. Not surprisingly the prime minister’s popularity at the last media poll was 28% and with this announcement today likely to drop further. Sadly because of the Independent’s own personal guaranteed agendas and Greens with their agenda Australia is now guaranteed a carbon tax far removed from climate change.
Prime minister Gillard said when she announced her change of mind that we would now have a carbon tax, as Australia needed to set an example for the world to follow. (Albeit Australia contributes 1.4 % of the total global emissions.)
Yes, we will be the laughing stock of the world, seen jumping head first off a cliff into a shark infested sea, as we will have no way back, because we were sold a tax that has nothing to do with climate change, instead introduced purely for egotistic governance.
To my Aussie Friends,
There comes a time when people of good conscience must decide if they would rather die on their feet, rather than live on their knees. Only the Australian citizens have the power and (maybe) the backbone to take pitchforks and torches in hand and go confront the monster in the castle….
Now is the time. Tomorrow will be too late.
6 days left for you to lodge a submission to stop the carbon tax
http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2011/09/16/Just-6-days-to-lodge-carbon-tax-submissions.aspx
MikeA said @ur momisugly September 16, 2011 at 2:13 am
” The Australian Liberal and Labour are two peas in a pod.”
Actually, it’s Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber…
MikeA said @ur momisugly September 16, 2011 at 2:22 am
“Our Parliament can pass any damn law it pleases, we have no constitutuion as such.”
That is manifestly untrue. We do have a constitution and a fine one it is. It’s just that people do not read, or understand it.
First, the parliament is not the government; the Queen of Australia is our government. Our representatives in parliament are there to express the WILL of the electors. Let’s say a majority of electors tell their representative that it is their WILL that they vote against this current bill. If said representative votes in favour, then the electors are entitled to demand of the Governor General (the Queen’s representative) that she remove the representative from the parliament and holds a bye election. Should the GG refuse, then the Queen is bound by the Australian Constitution to do the reoval of the recalcitrant representative.
If you write to a representative and tell him you want such-and-such, you will mostly be ignored. If you express your WILL that such-and-such be done, then you will nearly always be paid attention. Because the Rep knows that you have some understanding of our constitution and your rights as an elector.
Scott 2:01 and RichardA 3:02:
Thanks for the explanations; as you say, Scott: madness. Best wishes, Dave.
Australia;s hip-hopping won’t entrain the BRICs, just entertain them.
Who’d a thunk? Aus and the UK the poster children of decarbonization stupidity. Well, we needed a few more horrible examples to drive the lesson home, I guess. Join Denmark and Spain in the Dunce Corner.
In reply to Kim’s comment:
kim;) says:
September 16, 2011 at 12:34 pm
IMO I think the whole AGW hypothesis promoters are not worried about AGW But implementing the Global Marshall Plan of economics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Marshall_Plan
The problem is the “greenpeace” types would have us living in huts.
Ideas do not belong to Gore. Gore, Real Climate, and Greenpeace’s us vs them propaganda removes thoughtful discussion and logical based consensus from the process. If you question the mantra you are a “denier”, a Republican, in pay of big oil, or a skeptic.
Everyone would support practical actionable energy conservation and consumption control schemes. There are engineering sound and economically constrained solutions (money does not grow on trees, budgets must be balanced) to all of the issues.
Practical positive changes such as birth control in third world countries where there are currently five to six children per family, starving or under nourished children, all rational people would support.
The Green peace types have made their minds up without thought or reason. For example, the Green Peace types without reason rule out nuclear power. Research investment in thorium nuclear reactors or a Canadian heavy water reactor design that uses natural rather than enriched uranium would make sense for multiple reasons. The Canada heavy water design is fail safe. The reaction shuts down if the heavy water if removed from the core.
The Greenpeace types and the socialist agenda types remove reason as a tool to solve problems. (I might add I am married to a completely unrealistic socialistic type, who I love. Their heart is in the right place however there are sadly mislead. i.e. The fantasy path they promote will continually lead to a Greece type debacle.) Communism failed as people are not robots.
There is nothing to prevent any future Australian Government from taking any of several paths to get rid of the monstrosity – as said reduce the tax rate to near zero through executive regulation or introduce retrospective laws to override any compensation claim.
There is precedent in Australian law – retrospective laws have been introduced to close tax avoidance loopholes previously with the effect that a tax liability was created for previously legal deductions. The taxpayers whose previous tax deductions were thus rendered invalid were required to pay the tax burden imposed – no compensation.
This is not an insurmountable hurdle.
Should’ve added that it is possible to retrospectively outlaw the Green Party and induce an obligation for a refund of taxpayer monies wasted on folly.
Listen to gillard and swan blatently LYING to Australians prior to the last federal election to DEFRAUD them of their vote !!!!
http://www.hotheads.com.au/carbon%20tax%20scam.htm
SAY NO TO COMMUNISM !!
ELECTION NOW !!!!!!!!!!!
DaveF,
I thought that too, but the fear is that such a reduction would amount to seizure or reduction in value of an asset by Government, for which compensation must be paid under Oz constitution.
Here in BC we kicked out Gord Campbell that brought in HST after telling us he wouldn’t. Now we have voted to repeal the HST – after most of the province signed a petition to get rid of it.
So, the government is now telling us it will cost 2 billion. Big Deal. The government brought in the tax without asking.
THEY owe the 2 billion. Starting with Gord Campbell and the Liberal party. When they have paid it back, come and talk to us about re-election. Before then, the LIberal’s are finished as a political party. The biggest vote against HST came in Liberal ridings.
Every one in OZ needs to point to BC, let you elected official know what happens when you p’off the voters. At some point the voters simply don’t care about the poison pill. They will shove it down the throats of the politicians that tried to feed it to them.
Rosco says:
September 16, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Should’ve added that it is possible to retrospectively outlaw the Green Party and induce an obligation for a refund of taxpayer monies wasted on folly.
Now there is an idea. Seize the assets of the Liberal Party for having lied about the HST.
I think you’ll find that this Craig Thomson deal will cause some concerns in Parliament. I don’t believe that the legislation that will only start next year, will go easily. The Australian Governor
General has no power to call an election unless there is a double dissolution. The Queen has no powers in Australia, those that believe this are wrong. She is the constitutional monarch and I have a letter from her that states ‘she can not interfere or even comment on Australian politics’.
The Greens have one representative in the House of Representatives, and this carbon tax
is hanging on a thin thread, with only the assistance of the three Independents. It’s the end
of the ALP next election, and I think two of the Independents may not be returned. This being
Wilkie (with his poxie pokies reforms) and Oakeshott (won’t take notice of the concerns of his electorate. Windsor (?) he had a very strong support in New England, but is almost driving this
carbon tax. As far as comparing Australia with Libya, Syria and Egypt, I am sure you are mistaken. Australians would never cause insurrection other than through the legal form of
elections. To think otherwise is abhorrent to the nature of our country. Rude words at 10 paces certainly. Remember Gillard, Wong, Swan are members of the Australian Fabian Society. Does
that answer your questions. I hope the carbon tax will be held up for some reason. I wonder if the States would consider taking the Federal Government to the High Court eh.
In response to William
William says:
September 16, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Well said!
I would surely support initiatives that brought India and China to reduce the amounts of Black Carbon [ soot ].
Sadly, they don’t seem interested – much. 🙁
Gillard did more than change her mind. She categorically stated on national television days before the election that “There will be no carbon tax under a government that I lead”. This was backed up by her deputy Mr Wayne Swan who called Tony Abbott “hysterical” for warning the public that Labor would introduce a tax.
You could therefore say that her government is illegitimate as it is based on deception involving one of the major issues of the election. There is no doubt that had Gillard not categorically promised no carbon tax she would not have won many of the marginal seats that decided the election and Abbott would have won in his own right.
As well as this flagrant broken election guarantee, Gillard also promised a citizen’s assembly:
”We need consensus among political parties, but we need consensus in the community even more,” she vowed ”It is vital to be clear what I mean by that community consensus – I do not mean that government can take no action until every member of the community is fully convinced.
It will not convince everybody, and I will not allow our country to be held to ransom by a few people with extreme views that will never be changed. But I want to see a process that directly involves a representative range of ordinary Australians.”
The assembly was to have a year to examine ”the evidence on climate change, the case for action and the possible consequences of introducing a market-based approach to limiting and reducing carbon emissions”.
Gillard believed the assembly would back her commitment on climate change but. ”If I am wrong, and that group of Australians is not persuaded of the case for change, then that should be a clear warning bell that our community has not been persuaded as deeply as required about the need for transformational change” she determined.
Gillard would have been wrong had a citizens assembly been held and it was representative of the community.
Not only to rule by deception on two vital counts but to now make it difficult to unravel the legislation that is being imposed on the people must rank Gillard with Gaddafi and other leaders who have arrogantly chosen to neglect the very foundations upon which democracy is built – which she will dearly pay for – no matter how long it takes.
This has nothing to do with pollution or the environment. Currently around 25% of Australians recieve a pension, unemployment benefit and/or family assistance cheque from the government. Under a carbon (dioxide) tax this will rise to over 50%. This is just classic Fabianism, Marxism by stealth. It is their dream to make Australia the newest second-world country, and this is their vehicle. It’s as simple as that.
@ur momisugly ferd berple
“Now there is an idea. Seize the assets of the Liberal Party for having lied about the HST.”
I assume you mean GST? May I remind you that Liberals initially ruled out a GST, and then when it came up later went to an election with the GST as one of the election policies. So Howard got an electoral mandate to implement the GST.
Juliar & Clown do not have a mandate for carbon tax. In fact, only 12% of the population voted for the party pushing the carbon tax. The two major parties ruled out a carbon tax.
Why do “labour” parties seem to back legislation that bankrupts nations and kills jobs…and, presumably, labour as well?
King of cool, maybe you may not recall, Aussies will, that during the 2007 pre-election, Peter
Garrett said jokingly to a reporter, ‘Oh when we are in power, we’ll change our policies’ he was rebuked. But – in the hindsight today, both Swann and Gillard, are doing just that.
Maybe the Abbott government come late 2013 could in lieu of repealing the tax, work into the legislation with the help of the best legal eyes a framework to sit above the carbon tax which effectively counteracts everything that this new tax does thereby making the permits purchased worthless. They should also look to do it in such a way that their own legislation will be almost impossible to repeal so that Labor – whenever they get back in – hopefully never – would be stuck with. Thus ridding us of this baseless tax.
Dale @ur momisugly 9/16 9 pm. HST? LOL I worked on that campaign for Ian Sinclair, and you are so right they got in despite introducing another tax. But this gave up the Sales Tax though. It replaced sales tax. And it was the Social Democrats who changed their tune and voted it in eventually. They changed their tune post election too. But the Lib/Nats coalition didn’t get in with a lie. Before we transcend though I do believe the Independents were in a quandary. If Tony and Oakeshott had backed the Libs we may have had another 75-75 and this would call another election, and even so, may not have given us another result. However, Tony Windsor does not like the Nationals having been rejected by them as a candidate in the State parliament prior to him standing for Federal politics.
He has gone from strength to strength until 2010 though. I will admit I was one of his strongest
supporters but was warning him back in 2007 about the proposed ETS, that Rudd eventually scrapped that led him to him being rejected by the Gillard Group. I remember that Penny Wong was asked during the 2010 election tally room coverage ‘Has the scrapping of the ETS been the reason for labour’s poor showing’. ‘No’ she said’, ‘The word is that the planet is cooling’. And I believe Gillard said this too, but I can’t find any record of this on the Internet.
Maybe a IT sleuth may find it? To me there are hidden agendas in this legislation, such as
the tax on diesel and also ‘curbing methane production in livestock’. There was suggestions
that cattle and sheep be taxed per year $11 and $7 per head respectively for methane production. That was squashed by the MPCCC, but – its still in the legislation, and how do they intend to curb it. You see feed lot beef, they produce less methane than cattle reared on natural pastures. NOT what the Greens, and PETA are promoting.
Sammy you are so right. But carbon permits are worthless in other countries. Italy gives them away free. And there have been scams. However, the international trade of carbon permits issued by Australia are not supposed to come into fruition until 2015. I can’t see any Australian
industry buying them from overseas before then? Can you?
@ur momisugly bushbunny:
There’s over 1000 pages to the 19 “clean energy future” bills. It’ll take a week or two for the poison pills and scams to come out.
Let’s hope some ALP backbenchers are thinking of their political futures, and cross the floor. Count on Turnbull (Lib) to cross the floor to support them and with the 3 indys and Bandt (GRN) supporting the package, Libs need 3 ALP backbenchers to cross to kill it.
Hey, a complete long-shot and very unlikely, but a couple ALP Senators could solidify their own careers and become heros by blocking the bill and cause a double-dissolution. 😉
In late 1975, an equally goofy Australian Labour Party under Gough Whitlam was dismissed by the governor general – the Queen’s representative – and new elections were called, which led to a landslide victory for the political opposition.
Such a scenario would be unthinkable today, especially as David Cameron the UK’s prime minister, is equally as ‘climate change’ obsessed as Gillard.
History will judge Gillard, like Britain’s Brown, as one one of the most arrogant and economically disatrous leaders in their country’s history.
“bushbunny says:
September 16, 2011 at 6:45 pm
I think you’ll find that this Craig Thomson deal will cause some concerns in Parliament. I don’t believe that the legislation that will only start next year, will go easily. The Australian Governor
General has no power to call an election unless there is a double dissolution. The Queen has no powers in Australia, those that believe this are wrong. She is the constitutional monarch and I have a letter from her that states ‘she can not interfere or even comment on Australian politics’.”
Well said. I am a British born migrant to Australia and I tell my Aussie friends this and they all laugh at me. The fact remains the British Monarch has had no powers in Australia since federation in 1901.