BREAKING: Editor-in-chief of Remote Sensing resigns over Spencer & Braswell paper

UPDATE: Sept 6th Hot off the press: Dessler’s record turnaround time GRL rebuttal paper to Spencer and Braswell

(September 4) Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. continues his discussion at his blog: Hatchet Job on John Christy and Roy Spencer By Kevin Trenberth, John Abraham and Peter Gleick. And I’ve added my own rebuttal here: The science is scuttled: Abraham, Gleick, and Trenberth resort to libeling Spencer and Christy

Dr. Judith Curry has two threads on the issue Update on Spencer & Braswell Part1 and Part2  and… Josh weighs in with a new cartoon.

UPDATE: Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. weighs in with his opinions on this debacle here, additional updates are below from Dr. Spencer.

UPDATE: Dr. Spencer has written an essay to help understand the issue: A Primer on Our Claim that Clouds Cause Temperature Change  and an additional update Sept 5th: More Thoughts on the War Being Waged Against Us

September 2nd, 2011 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.

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It has been brought to my attention that as a result of all the hoopla over our paper published in Remote Sensing recently, that the Editor-in-Chief, Wolfgang Wagner, has resigned. His editorial explaining his decision appears here.

First, I want to state that I firmly stand behind everything that was written in that paper.

But let’s look at the core reason for the Editor-in-Chief’s resignation, in his own words, because I want to strenuously object to it:

…In other words, the problem I see with the paper by Spencer and Braswell is not that it declared a minority view (which was later unfortunately much exaggerated by the public media) but that it essentially ignored the scientific arguments of its opponents. This latter point was missed in the review process, explaining why I perceive this paper to be fundamentally flawed and therefore wrongly accepted by the journal

But the paper WAS precisely addressing the scientific arguments made by our opponents, and showing why they are wrong! That was the paper’s starting point! We dealt with specifics, numbers, calculations…while our critics only use generalities and talking points. There is no contest, as far as I can see, in this debate. If you have some physics or radiative transfer background, read the evidence we present, the paper we were responding to, and decide for yourself.

If some scientists would like do demonstrate in their own peer-reviewed paper where *anything* we wrote was incorrect, they should submit a paper for publication. Instead, it appears the IPCC gatekeepers have once again put pressure on a journal for daring to publish anything that might hurt the IPCC’s politically immovable position that climate change is almost entirely human-caused. I can see no other explanation for an editor resigning in such a situation.

People who are not involved in scientific research need to understand that the vast majority of scientific opinions spread by the media recently as a result of the fallout over our paper were not even the result of other scientists reading our paper. It was obvious from the statements made to the press.

Kudos to Kerry Emanuel at MIT, and a couple other climate scientists, who actually read the paper before passing judgment.

I’m also told that RetractionWatch has a new post on the subject. Their reporter told me this morning that this was highly unusual, to have an editor-in-chief resign over a paper that was not retracted.

Apparently, peer review is now carried out by reporters calling scientists on the phone and asking their opinion on something most of them do not even do research on. A sad day for science.

(At the request of Dr. Spencer, this post has been updated with the highlighted words above about 15 minutes after first publication.- Anthony)

UPDATE #1: Since I have been asked this question….the editor never contacted me to get my side of the issue. He apparently only sought out the opinions of those who probably could not coherently state what our paper claimed, and why.

UPDATE #2: This ad hominem-esque Guardian article about the resignation quotes an engineer (engineer??) who claims we have a history of publishing results which later turn out to be “wrong”. Oh, really? Well, in 20 years of working in this business, the only indisputable mistake we ever made (which we immediately corrected, and even published our gratitude in Science to those who found it) was in our satellite global temperature monitoring, which ended up being a small error in our diurnal drift adjustment — and even that ended up being within our stated error bars anyway. Instead, it has been our recent papers have been pointing out the continuing mistakes OTHERS have been making, which is why our article was entitled. “On the Misdiagnosis of….”. Everything else has been in the realm of other scientists improving upon what we have done, which is how science works.

UPDATE #3: At the end of the Guardian article, it says Andy Dessler has a paper coming out in GRL next week, supposedly refuting our recent paper. This has GOT to be a record turnaround for writing a paper and getting it peer reviewed. And, as usual, we NEVER get to see papers that criticize our work before they get published.

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dkkraft
September 3, 2011 10:19 am

Key point if you haven’t seen it yet.
Spencer comments on Trenberth et al 2010 is now up here:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/09/a-primer-on-our-claim-that-clouds-cause-temperature-change/

Jean Parisot
September 3, 2011 10:21 am

What I see is a troubling sign for the warmists – a random selection of three respected scientists in another field went 3 for 3 against their agenda. I wonder if there were 9 reviewers what the ratio would be?

Dave Springer
September 3, 2011 10:22 am

Wolgang Wagoner meet Rick Sternberg.
You boys have a lot in common.
I wrote about the Sternberg incident in some depth several years ago when it happened. I made a verb out of it at the time. Wagoner was sternberged

Dave Springer
September 3, 2011 10:25 am
Tad
September 3, 2011 10:25 am

It will be interesting to see where Wagner goes from here. Maybe his resignation editorial was really sort of a job application for someplace, you know, proving his commitment to The Cause.

Cassandra King
September 3, 2011 10:26 am

A robust and solid theory can easily withstand challenge, in fact a theory is not a fact, it is merely a temporary level of current understanding. There is always more to learn, always more to discover. The consensus is in fact merely a horizon beyond which is always another vista of knowledge waiting to be discovered. If we didnt strive to travel toward the horizon we would never progress, our boundaries would be limited to the current horizon and no more. Funnily enough this describes pre reformation religion in the West perfectly. We humans have a deep desire to see beyond the horizons that limit us like a straight jacket. There are those who hold us back with a selfish desire to limit our thirst for progress, they will lose, they have always lost no matter how hard they have fought. Our hunger to see the next horizon is far stronger than the scaremongers determination to stop us from taking the journey. The new priests of the orthodoxy lie and cheat and threaten but they always fail in the end.
Proud to be a sceptic, happy to be on the right side of history.

sorepaw
September 3, 2011 10:29 am

The “more to this story” is that Spencer probably got to name his reviewers (not uncommon) and the editors weren’t sophisticated enough to figure out they weren’t representative of the full spectrum of scientific understanding (that is uncommon).
Not bloody likely.
Many journals ask authors to suggest reviewers.
Few offer a guarantee that they will use only the reviewers that the author has suggested.
They don’t even offer a guarantee that they will avoid using reviewers the author has asked them not to use.
And Roy Spencer is not such a big fish, from the standpoint of Remote Sensing, that editors would defer to his wishes as far as reviewers are concerned.
I edit a journal (fortunately, not one where CAGW and CGMs are part of the subject matter) and have seen how the process works from both sides.
I can see exactly how Joe Romm got his bad reputation.

Colin in BC
September 3, 2011 10:31 am

Cassandra King says:
September 3, 2011 at 10:03 am

Hear hear. Well said, Ms. King.

sorepaw
September 3, 2011 10:41 am

I’m sure Roy Spencer is an honest man, and would freely admit he specifically sought to publish his paper in a relatively obscure on-line journal that did not have a record, or specific expertise in climate change science.
I’m sure that Roy Spencer decided to submit his article to a journal that did not have an established track record of blocking any and all manuscripts by researchers who are not proponents of CAGW (or CACC or whatever appelation you would prefer).
Which is rather a different thing, isn’t it?
As for Spencer’s belief in “intelligent design,” I am convinced that he is wrong about that, and I am reasonably sure that his ultimate motives are religious. They nearly always are in such cases.
But unless you can show a direct connection between Spencer’s reasoning about biological evolution and his reasoning about the radiation of heat from earth’s atmosphere into outer space (etc.), his religious beliefs are irrelevant. You might as well try to discredit all of Linus Pauling’s research on account of his nutty promotion of the curative powers of Vitamin C—or toss Isaac Newton’s work on gravitation into the crapper because of the effort he put into discerning secret messages in the Book of Revelation.

sorepaw
September 3, 2011 10:42 am

Sorry, should have typed GCM for Global Circulation model, a couple of posts up…

Jeremy
September 3, 2011 10:43 am

Heads up to all, from the Guardian:

Next week, Prof Andrew Dessler of the department of atmospheric sciences at Texas A&M University, is due to publish a paper in the journal Geophysical Research Letters offering a detailed peer-reviewed rebuttal of Spencer’s paper.

Should be an interesting read.

csanborn
September 3, 2011 10:49 am

A new desperate AGW tactic – the Kamikaze Warmist? They fall on their own knife.

Dave Springer
September 3, 2011 10:49 am

Remote sensing of climate variables from satellites is Roy Spencer’s expertise. I see no reason why he shouldn’t have chosen Remote Sensing to publish the article.
Detractors cite no specific flaws in the paper but rather just wave their hands around saying it should never have been published.
That handwaving might be enough to get an editor fired but it does nothing to dispute the paper itself. In fact it makes the paper itself appear much stronger because if the hand waving climate boffin asshats could falsify it that would be the convincing and scientific way to deal with it.
Has the fact that Roy Spencer believes in God been repeated yet as proof the paper is flawed?
You know either the paper must be good or the critic who says that is a moron for thinking attacking Spencer’s religious beliefs is going to have any effect. All that does is offend the large percentage of people in this world who hold religious beliefs and do nothing to discredit the merits of the paper.

Viv Evans
September 3, 2011 10:50 am

Just a reminder:
Dr Spencer did not ‘choose’ his reviewers, as some obscurantists are trying to make us believe.
In his resignation letter Prof. Wagner states quite clearly that his editorial manager (which is obviously not Dr Spencer!), Mr Wang, picked three scientists from US universities, with good records of publications. Prof Wagner further states that there was nothing wrong with the review process as such.
His insinuation is that these three reviewers seemed to have been ‘sceptics’ – that is what he thinks, he doesn’t offer any proof.
So what we read in certain blog posts that somehow ‘Remote Sensing’ was ‘got at’ by Dr Spencer, or made to bend to his will, is twaddle.
Btw – aren’t the satellites which data Dr Spencer uses actually sensing remotely? so why should he not publish in a journal dedicated to just that?

MikeN
September 3, 2011 10:53 am

[snip – leave Semitics and Christianity out of this discussion ~mod]

peter stone
September 3, 2011 10:56 am

[snip – not going there, stick to the subject at hand ~mod]

jd
September 3, 2011 11:09 am

Peter Stone.
There’s is not vast global cabal of lying scientists who are perpetrating a hoax, or working furiously to “get” Mr. Spenser. That’s tin foil hat stuff.
Do scientists lie? If yes, can we measure in anyway who the liars are? The science of the study of lying points to science as the location of subject matter. Climate Science appears to be a fertile field for lying. Scientists don’t often outright lie for malicious reasons. It’s a fudge factor reason that delays the true facts until the money is acquired and spent. If big money is being awarded, there is big lying going on.
There could well be a vast global cabal of scientists engaged in unintended deceit because they have accepted a false premise and are swayed by money not to employ the scientific method tool upon the deceit. Science history is littered with like examples. The truthsayers in these instances are always held to be heretics and are to be denied opportunity.
The “warmists” seem particularly hostile and juvenile about “deniers”. From observation it looks like they form themselves into political mobs that are mostly subjective and reactive in their focus to maintain their incomes. Calls to return to scientific thinking seem to fall on deaf ears. All this does is slow truth down. Eventually the truth will bear out and history will look at one side as tremendously wasting everyone’s time and money and forcing a recession on the population.
Sticking with the hard science would seem to be the best possible approach. And also the approach that provides the best foundation for the future.

openside50
September 3, 2011 11:19 am

I see the unbiased, non partisan Richard Black (he once famously referred to by M Mann as being ‘normally good re global warming) has wasted no time in making his views known about this in the BBC
Pity he wasnt as zealous re the climategate scandal where he steadfastly refused to discuss it in any detail at all until the first whitewash……sorry inquiry exonerated them!

markshere
September 3, 2011 11:24 am

Tenner Romm does not post this comment )
You moron says:
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September 3, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Joe Romm says:
September 3, 2011 at 8:21 am
The “more to this story” is that Spencer probably got to name his reviewers (not uncommon)
Did you not read the resignation letter?
In his resignation letter Prof. Wagner states quite clearly that his editorial manager (which is obviously not Dr Spencer!), Mr Wang, picked three scientists from US universities, with good records of publications. Prof Wagner further states that there was nothing wrong with the review process as such.
Idiot
http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/02/310889/editor-denier-bunk-resigns-spencer/#comment-345633

Dave Springer
September 3, 2011 11:58 am

@Roy Spencer
Engineers are particularly knowledgable about feedbacks. One mechanical engineer can be a dolt of course but I’ve seen plenty of academics who can’t find their ass with two hands as well. Engineers don’t build things based on just-so stories. At least not for long. Academics build careers on just-so stories because it doesn’t matter if they’re wrong, or at least it doesn’t matter if they’re wrong once they’ve got tenure. Engineers don’t get tenure, Roy. They live and die by whether the stuff they design does what it’s supposed to do. Conversely, all the academics that were chirping about global warming causing Katrina with worse to be expected ahead – what happened to them when they turned out to be wrong? Nothing. They all still have their jobs. Imagine an engineer who designed a building to withstand Cat 4 howlers and the first tropical blow knocks it over. Think his company is going to let it slide and pay him to design another one?
If YOU are wrong in your paper you won’t get the axe. I mean the consensus (for whatever that’s worth) already said it’s wrong yet you still have the same office. If I design a computer and through some error in my judgement it causes great financial loss to my employer I get fired and would be lucky if I could keep it quiet enough to find a new job in the same profession.
It’s this lack of accountability in academics that makes scoffing at engineers coming from someone like you just absolutely laughable.

don penman
September 3, 2011 12:09 pm

I can’t see the point in peer review it is something that scientists have invented in order to try and make what they say seem more important than it really is ,if it used to attempt to stop other scientists speaking out against AGW then it is wrong and it should be stopped.We should not let them get away with this.

DirkH
September 3, 2011 12:13 pm

Dave Springer says:
September 3, 2011 at 11:58 am
“@Roy Spencer
[…]
It’s this lack of accountability in academics that makes scoffing at engineers coming from someone like you just absolutely laughable.”
I think you’re overreacting. Spencer’s “(engineer??)” remark might just mean that he’s astonished by the Guardian citing “John Abraham, an associate professor at the University of St Thomas’s school of engineering in Minnesota”. One might be tempted to ask, what does he have to do with the entire affair. After all, when a skeptic engineer comes out, the first thing the warmist papers say is “You’re not a climate scientist so your opinion doesn’t count”.

Theo Goodwin
September 3, 2011 12:40 pm

Joe Romm says:
September 3, 2011 at 8:21 am
“The “more to this story” is that Spencer probably got to name his reviewers (not uncommon)”
Even if true, which it is not, the point is irrelevant. The editor of the journal made the decision and it is totally his responsibility.

Rational Debate
September 3, 2011 1:02 pm

reply to: Beesaman says: September 3, 2011 at 5:34 am

Looks like Joe Romm is accusing Dr Spencer of stacking the deck!

•Joe Romm says: September 3, 2011 at 8:21 am
The “more to this story” is that Spencer probably got to name his reviewers (not uncommon) and the editors weren’t sophisticated enough to figure out they weren’t representative of the full spectrum of scientific understanding (that is uncommon).

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/02/310889/editor-denier-bunk-resigns-spencer/?replytocom=345562#respond

ROFLM-you-know-what-O!!!
How’s that saying go? Point one finger at me, and 4 [of your own] are pointing back at you!
Does Romm not even realise that he’s slamming “The Team,” himself, and every AGW positive article in existence here? I guess he must honestly believe that his second parenthetical really does let ’em off the hook, but seems to me that if anything it hooks them all the more solidly. Conformation Bias, Significance Chasing, Selective Reporting, Publication Bias, Flawed Experimental Design, etc., and human nature are all strange and powerful things (well, ok, they’re actually common sense, but far far too often discounted, accepted, ignored, or unrecognized) – and ‘climate scientists’ haven’t somehow magically avoided all these problems any better than any other field (and frankly I suspect far less than those that are less complex, not spread across multiple fields, etc).
Folks who go on about conspiracies (either to embrace or ridicule the very idea), simply don’t recognize that in a group of humans, especially when it comes to something new and ‘hot,’ it doesn’t take some secret skulking conspiracy – just the above factors that our very natures are prone to. Next time you run across someone who says AGW must be true because there’s no way a global conspiracy could exist, just point ’em to the articles I’ve linked below. Sure, conspiracies do occur, but they’re not necessary to wind up with widely held mistaken impressions supported by supposedly solid research.
If Romm is really this dense but is sincere (giving the benefit of the doubt), then he desperately needs to read Ioannidis and similar papers. Someone ought to giftwrap him copies of all related Ioannidis papers, and deliver them to him as an early Christmas present.
my apologies for this being such a long post!
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0020124

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False John P. A. Ioannidis
There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false. The probability that a research claim is true may depend on study power and bias, the number of other studies on the same question, and, importantly, the ratio of true to no relationships among the relationships probed in each scientific field. In this framework, a research finding is less likely to be true when the studies conducted in a field are smaller; when effect sizes are smaller; when there is a greater number and lesser preselection of tested relationships; where there is greater flexibility in designs, definitions, outcomes, and analytical modes; when there is greater financial and other interest and prejudice; and when more teams are involved in a scientific field in chase of statistical significance. Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true. Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias. In this essay, I discuss the implications of these problems for the conduct and interpretation of research.

From http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer?currentPage=all [emphasis added]
[quoting Ioannidis] ….“It’d be really great if the initial studies gave us an accurate summary of things. But they don’t. And so what happens is we waste a lot of money treating millions of patients and doing lots of follow-up studies on other themes based on results that are misleading.” In 2005, Ioannidis published an article in the Journal of the American Medical Association that looked at the forty-nine most cited clinical-research studies in three major medical journals. Forty-five of these studies reported positive results, suggesting that the intervention being tested was effective. Because most of these studies were randomized controlled trials—the “gold standard” of medical evidence—they tended to have a significant impact on clinical practice, and led to the spread of treatments such as hormone replacement therapy for menopausal women and daily low-dose aspirin to prevent heart attacks and strokes. Nevertheless, the data Ioannidis found were disturbing: of the thirty-four claims that had been subject to replication, forty-one per cent had either been directly contradicted or had their effect sizes significantly downgraded. [bears repeating: 49 of the MOST CITED & influential studies, yet only 34 had been replicated, with poor results in 41% of those! That’s in medicine, where apparently replicability studies are ‘the thing’ right now – the impression I get is that there is very little in the way of replicability studies done in ‘climate science’ leaving the door wide open to far worse problems than even medicine is seeing.]
The situation is even worse when a subject is fashionable. In recent years, for instance, there have been hundreds of studies on the various genes that control the differences in disease risk between men and women. These findings have included everything from the mutations responsible for the increased risk of schizophrenia to the genes underlying hypertension. Ioannidis and his colleagues looked at four hundred and thirty-two of these claims. They quickly discovered that the vast majority had serious flaws. But the most troubling fact emerged when he looked at the test of replication: out of four hundred and thirty-two claims, only a single one was consistently replicable. “This doesn’t mean that none of these claims will turn out to be true,” he says. “But, given that most of them were done badly, I wouldn’t hold my breath.”
According to Ioannidis, the main problem is that too many researchers engage in what he calls “significance chasing,” or finding ways to interpret the data so that it passes the statistical test of significance—the ninety-five-per-cent boundary invented by Ronald Fisher. “The scientists are so eager to pass this magical test that they start playing around with the numbers, trying to find anything that seems worthy,” Ioannidis says. In recent years, Ioannidis has become increasingly blunt about the pervasiveness of the problem. One of his most cited papers has a deliberately provocative title: “Why Most Published Research Findings Are False.”
The problem of selective reporting is rooted in a fundamental cognitive flaw, which is that we like proving ourselves right and hate being wrong. “It feels good to validate a hypothesis,” Ioannidis said. “It feels even better when you’ve got a financial interest in the idea or your career depends upon it. And that’s why, even after a claim has been systematically disproven”—he cites, for instance, the early work on hormone replacement therapy, or claims involving various vitamins—“you still see some stubborn researchers citing the first few studies that show a strong effect. They really want to believe that it’s true.”
That’s why Schooler argues that scientists need to become more rigorous about data collection before they publish. “We’re wasting too much time chasing after bad studies and underpowered experiments,” he says. The current “obsession” with replicability distracts from the real problem, which is faulty design. He notes that nobody even tries to replicate most science papers—there are simply too many. (According to Nature, a third of all studies never even get cited, let alone repeated.) (continued online)

Matthew
September 3, 2011 1:02 pm

@Don Penman
Peer review is a useful tool, as long as it is done honestly. The point is to get a bunch of smart people who are knowledgeable in the field being discussed to poke holes in a theory or set of observations. What we’ve seen is more on the order of “pal review”, where a small group of buddies review each other’s papers in such a way as to hide any holes.

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