Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
When is a hurricane not a hurricane? Well, when it doesn’t blow 64 knots (33 m/sec, 74 mph), because then it’s only a tropical storm. Inspired by a post over at the Cliff Mass Weather Blog, I’ve been trying to find a single report of sustained hurricane force winds anywhere along Irene’s path at or near landfall … no joy. I knew exaggeration was the order of the day for some folks in the climate debate, but I hadn’t realized that the illness had infected the Weather Service itself.
Figure 1. The path of Tropical Storm Irene over the mainland of the US. Symbols with a yellow center to the black storm symbol indicate a (claimed) hurricane. SOURCE ibiseye
We were fortunate in that we have very good records of the wind speed when Irene made landfall. It went almost directly over the wind recording station at Cape Lookout, at the bottom of Figure 2.
Figure 2. A closeup of Irene’s landfall. There are four wind recording stations in the area, at Beaufort (below the “70” marker at lower left), at Cape Lookout (bottom left) and at Cape Hatteras (upper right). The Onslow Buoy is located offshore, southwest of Cape Lookout.
The wind record at Cape Lookout is quite interesting, as the eye of the hurricane passed right over the anemometer there. Figure 3 shows the wind dropping as the eye went over, coincident with the deep plunge of the barometric pressure to 950 hPa.
Figure 3. TS Irene wind (light blue) and barometric pressure (violet) at Cape Lookout before, during, and after landfall. Green line at the top shows the minimum wind speed for a storm to be classified as a hurricane (64 knots).
Figure 3 shows the classic pattern of a hurricane passing directly overhead. The “eye” of the hurricane has almost no wind, and is at the center of the low pressure area. You can also see the “calm before the storm. But what you can’t see is any trace of hurricane force winds.
Not finding hurricane force winds at the eye, I looked at the other nearby stations as well. The weather station at Cape Hatteras is in the “dangerous semicircle”, the right hand side of the storm track (Fig. 2) where the speed of the storm is added to the speed of the winds circulating around the eye. Beaufort, on the other hand, is in the safer half of the storm, where the speed of the storm is subtracted from the circulating speed of the winds. The Onslow Buoy is also in the safer semicircle, on the left of the storm track in Figure 2. Figure 4 shows those records.
Figure 4. Winds at TS Irene landfall for Cape Lookout, Beaufort, Onslow Offshore Buoy, and Cape Hatteras.
As you can see, although Irene definitely qualifies as a solid tropical storm (winds greater than 35 knots), it does not reach or even really approach the 64-knot threshold for hurricanes. Other than at the eye itself, the winds did not exceed 50 knots, much less reach 64 knots.
After crossing over the land near Cape Hatteras, Irene headed back out to sea again. I thought perhaps it might have picked up steam when it went out over the ocean again. It made a second landfall in Atlantic City and went along the coast to New York.
Figure 5. Second landfall for Irene.The nearest stations to Irene’s track are Costeau (near Mystic Island above Atlantic City), NY Harbor Buoy (outside the mouth of the harbor, in the dangerous semicircle), Sandy Hook (hook shaped peninsula just above Long Branch and central hurricane symbol) and Kings Point (near New Rochelle above New York City). Note that the storm is claimed to be a hurricane until it gets well into New York State.
It appears from an examination of the station data shown below in Figure 6 that it did not pick up strength over the water. By the time Irene reached land a second time, it barely qualified as a tropical storm, much less a hurricane.
Figure 6. Wind speed from Tropical Storm Irene as it made the second landfall.
So, despite looking at Irene before, during, and after both landfalls, there is no hint of a hurricane anywhere. By the time it got to New York the eye of the storm had dissipated, what was left were huge bands of rain clouds.
Is there a moral in this story? Well, I can understand people taking extra precautions, better safe than sorry is a good rule. And I certainly imagine that when the Weather Service re-examines the records, the error will be corrected.
But that doesn’t help in making the decisions. As soon as Irene hit land, it should have been downgraded immediately to a tropical storm. That’s what it was, not a hurricane making landfall but a tropical storm. As far as I can tell, we still haven’t had a hurricane make landfall during Obama’s presidency, a historical oddity.
Individuals and city mayors and the people in charge of the emergency response can call for any level of reaction to storm threats. They may decide an exaggerated response is appropriate.
But they need accurate information to do that, not exaggerated claims. They need the actual facts, the best estimates with no exaggeration on either the high or low side.
In this case, it appears that people got so wrapped up in the question of the winds, and the fear of the winds, that they overlooked what actually made Irene unusual. This was not the wind speed, but the size of the storm. Combined with Irene’s generally slow movement over the ground, Irene’s huge dimensions meant that any given area would get rained on for a really, really long time.
And in turn that meant that the cities and towns along the coast, the ones receiving all of the attention from the fear of high winds and attendant storm surges, weren’t the towns in danger. Unlike the coastal cities, the vast expanses inland were not able to have the rainwater just flow back into the ocean. Inland, the water piled up and overflowed the banks.
And so, because of the overestimation of the wind speeds, our attention was diverted from the real threat. Because of the claimed hurricane-force winds, a storm surge up to eight feet was predicted in New York Harbor. But in the event, the storm surge was barely three feet, a non-event … and meanwhile, New England was getting badly flooded.
So the moral to me is, honesty is the best policy for a National Weather Service. Don’t exaggerate the possible effects to be on the “safe side”, don’t minimize the possible effects. Just give us the best information you have, and let us make up our own minds. As Sergeant Friday used to say … “Just the facts, ma’am” …
w.
NOTE: All wind data is from the NOAA National Buoy Data Center http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/.
Willis,
I think you are asking for a re-evaluation for how the determination of the strength of a tropical cyclone is made. As it is now, observations from surface anemometers are but one factor—they can probably serve to confirm tropical cyclone classifications, but are not sufficient to rule them out.
If surface anemometer readings were the only determinant for tropical cyclone strength at landfall, the U.S. hurricane history would read entirely differently. And I would hazard a guess that hurricane historians like Chris Landsea would add, less accurately.
-Chip
@willis: “, the circular rotating shape broke up, and it became bands of storm activity.”
This is simply not true. Irene retained its circularity well beyond NC. The eye may have collapsed but the storm kept its cyclonicity well until it began to crash into the Applachian chain:
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ephemerata.ImageGallery/Irene20110827b
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ephemerata.ImageGallery/Irene20110827c
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ephemerata.ImageGallery/Irene20110827d
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ephemerata.ImageGallery/Irene20110828
The track dots are as follows:
Official track in white. Purple -GFDL model. Blue-HWRF model. Green-GFS model. Red-TVCN model. Numbers in dots are estimated category strength.
Storm Image is either GOES IR or visible with NWS radar overlaid. The first three images are from the 27th, the 4th from the 28th.
Nuts, I left the .jpg off the links: We really do need a preview button.
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ephemerata/ImageGallery/Irene20110827b.jpg
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ephemerata/ImageGallery/Irene20110827c.jpg
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ephemerata/ImageGallery/Irene20110827d.jpg
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ephemerata/ImageGallery/Irene20110828.jpg
mod~ delete the previous 3 attempts – I am http challenged tonight apparently.
September 2, 2011 at 3:14 pm
@willis: “, the circular rotating shape broke up, and it became bands of storm activity.”
This is simply not true. Irene retained its circularity well beyond NC. The eye may have collapsed but the storm kept its cyclonicity well until it began to crash into the Applachian chain:
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ImageGallery/Irene20110827b.jpg
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ImageGallery/Irene20110827c.jpg
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ImageGallery/Irene20110827d.jpg
http://www.ephemerata.ca/ImageGallery/Irene20110828.jpg
The track dots are as follows:
Official track in white. Purple -GFDL model. Blue-HWRF model. Green-GFS model. Red-TVCN model. Numbers in dots are estimated category strength.
Storm Image is either GOES IR or visible with NWS radar overlaid. The first three images are from the 27th, the 4th from the 28th.
If you can get UPS to send it across the Atlantic in time 😉
Have a good one too
Chip Knappenberger says:
September 2, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Thanks, Chip. That’s interesting, but doesn’t answer the question at hand. You still haven’t explained how, even given what you say, what was barely a tropical storm in New York was still classified as a hurricane.
As to hurricane history, I fail to see the connection. I’m talking about a bunch of anemometers all along the East Coast not recording hurricane winds while the NHC is shouting “danger, hurricane, hurricane” … what could that possibly have to do with 1880, when neither anemometers nor the NHC were in general use?
w.
Willis,
By no means am I weighing in on when the NHC should have stopped calling Irene a hurricane. I haven’t followed the details of its progress up the coast that carefully. It seems that Ryan makes a pretty compelling case for downgrading the storm to a tropical storm earlier than the NHC ultimately did. But that said, I think that it made landfall along the coast of NC as a Cat 1 hurricane.
I am not sure I fully understand your insistance that only surface anemometers can be consulted for estimating the maximum strength of the winds, when other data is apparently available.
Certainly, as the density of surface anemometers increases, they play a larger role in the final estimation. But, now, as in the past, other data is consulted as well (as I think it should be).
-Chip
I really appreciate this post and discussion. I went to New Bern, NC, to be with my elderly mother during Irene. She and her friends refused to leave their homes. Given the forecasts, I was very concerned for her safety and it seemed foolhardy for me to place myself into the projected path. It was rainy with gusty winds all day Saturday, but didn’t seem much like I expected a hurricane to be. New Bern is about 20 miles west of the track of the eye. I had visited the Charleston, SC, area a week after Hugo, and the damage was not at all comparable. Now, of course, Mom is saying hurricanes are no big deal and she’ll never evacuate.
Some want this to be a hurricane at all costs. What gives. My alarm bells have gone off.
What’s the agenda? You are interrupting my weekend. There will be no fury like the truth.
Enjoy a ‘cold one’ before you wish you did and didn’t.
Irene was a large but weak category 1 hitting NC and tropical storm strength by NYC (no riddle). The NHC did not call it a hurricane at that point.
Chris, technically it is both pressure and wind, but the “cat 3” pressure in Irene’s case only produced a cat 2 storm surge (to 8.5 feet in one case) but cat 1 more generally.
Eric (skeptic) says:
September 2, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Chris, technically it is both pressure and wind, but the “cat 3″ pressure in Irene’s case only produced a cat 2 storm surge (to 8.5 feet in one case) but cat 1 more generally.
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Eric,
That’s because she was a hybrid. Not a true tropical system.
The only way a storm can be “tropical” is like in 1938, when it accelerated to 60 or 70 MPH in forward motion and got to Long Island in deadly record time.
Irene was a hybrid. Not to downplay her destructiveness…but that is why the saffir-simpson could not measure correctly.
And really, to be honest, can not measure any tropical cyclone, however intense it may be, that starts to interact with extratropical influences.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
savethesharks says:
Correction
The only way a storm can be “tropical” [in these latitudes] is like in 1938.
I don’t want them smoothing the yo-yo-ing reality on the ground either.
I agree with you, Willis, NHS should have downgraded Irene to a “Strong Tropical Storm” on NC Landfall, but in the same breath, they should have emphasized it’s still big and rainy and that danger wasn’t changing. Here I am in full agreement with Roger Knights (Sep 2, 10:18am) that storm danger needs separate wind and rain-flood components. Look at the NHS Graphics archive. It’s all wind! Rain fall isn’t mentioned. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2011/IRENE_graphics.shtml. Out of sight, out of mind.
Whether NHS downgraded Irene on NC landfall really doesn’t matter much because by then key decisions must have already been made based upon information with lots of uncertainty.
You said, ”Manhattan did over-react to the danger “ So certain are you. I’ll confess, I’ve never been to Manhattan. I don’t have a clue of the elevation of the entrances to its subway tunnels. But in three minutes of research I found this: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/flooding-cripples-subway-system/. As recently as 4 years ago, “three inches of rain within a one-hour period,” crippled the NY subway system.
Ok, Willis, you are the Director of the MTA. Keep us from over-reacting. 24 hrs before expected landfall, you are looking at a 40% prob of greater than 50 Knot (58 mph) at NYC. Heavy rain on the west side of the eye. 18hrs it’s prob=50%, still 50% at 12 hrs http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2011/graphics/al09/loop_PROB50.shtml (Frame 29, 30, 31). Now, with the full benefit of hindsight, do you maintain this is inaccurate or wildly misleading? You also face a Spring High Tide about 9am, so add a couple feet to the possible storm surge. YOU have a decision to make Saturday morning (tick , tick, tick): Do I run a normal Sunday schedule? Or do I keep passengers, employees and rolling stock out of sub-sea-level locations? Do I loose $20 million in lost revenue, or do I risk losing a half billion (plus lawsuits!) at a probability of 10%? And 4 years ago we had problems with rain tick, tick, tick. 5 million people would like to go to work Monday… or Tuesday….. Do you think a computer model might help?
Other interesting references:
Subway back on track (Monday)
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2090908,00.html
The MTA said normal service on …six of the Long Island Rail Road’s 11 branches….expect.. cancellations. Service will still be suspended on the Metro-North Railroad, …by flooding and mudslides.. regions north of NYC. Most New Jersey Transit trains also will be sidelined Monday.
(8/28 6:45 am EDT – landfall NJ, (NYC a couple hours away) http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/54295/mean-irene-closes-in-on-nc-out-1.asp
(Top 10 wind and rain statistics, plus top 3 wind, rain by state). http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/54348/irenes-infamous-top-ten-1.asp
Willis says: Sep 2, 9:31 am … and you seem to be defending the handing out of inaccurate information.
I never defend “handing out” inaccurate information. Forecasts have uncertainty – accept it –with skepticism. I lambasted the inaccurate immediate opinions by some TV reporters 2 hrs after landfall that government had overreacted because disaster had not struck. Come the Governors of NJ and PA telling of flood warnings, those irresponsible reports were tempered. Come the videos of rivers out of banks in PA and over flowing dams in NJ and they were tempered more. Come the Irene death toll at 30+ and maybe Tropical Storms will get the respect they deserve from the MSM.
But I doubt it. I remember Good Morning America talking about how New Orleans had “dodged a bullet” in Katrina. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=%22New_Orleans_'Dodged_the_Bullet'%22 I recall an NPR Morning Edition report from a Miami high-rise where they survived Andrew better than feared — while the news from South Miami was a little delayed! And lack of news today must mean everyone has power back on the East coast 5 days after Irene, right?
Stephen Rasey says:
September 2, 2011 at 11:38 pm
Straw man. The issue is not what I would do. Do I think a model might help? Sure. But the most helpful thing is timely, accurate information. That’s what I object to, that their information was neither timely nor accurate.
I’m not sure why a call for timely and accurate information should be so controversial, or why you seem so vehemently opposed to it … or perhaps I’m just missing your point.
w.
I noticed an odd thing about the Fox News reporting, I believe Sunday evening (Aug. 28). The reporter was talking about flooding in various places inland – quite right. The odd thing is that the reporter himself was in Long Beach NY, which is an island off the south coast of Long Island, and nowhere near the scenes of the flooding.
Strange Juxtaposition …
Earthquakes are routinely adjusted later for scientific accuracy.
Hurricanes and Tropical Storms are NEVER adjusted later for scientific accuracy?
WUWT?
I guess it’s true that the real scientists (the one’s concerned with accuracy) are in Geology, not in climate science.
NOAA and other related quasi-scientific organizations take note, you are going to sink yourselves if you keep it up.
Great post 🙂
Blade says:
September 3, 2011 at 7:58 am
Hurricanes are indeed adjusted later for scientific accuracy, as are earthquakes. However, earthquakes don’t require that we have accurate, timely information to respond to them intelligently … so the accuracy of the earthquake information is not important. Hurricanes, on the other hand …
w.
I haven’t read all the posts here, but it looks like the clock is still ticking on the record number of days that a hurricane has failed to make landfall on the Continental United States.
True or not?
I think everyone is missing the point, regardless of it was a hurricane or tropical storm, the overall size was massive and it was the inland flooding that did the majority of the damage…. also, if they downgraded it to a tropical storm, no one would of evacuated and even know many were killed by falling trees due to the flooding rains making the soils into quicksand, it would of been a lot worse because no body evacuates nor wants to if they hear TS. just my opinion. remember, it was the rains that washed away homes, flooded out streets and entire neighborhoods in Jersey and other points in the NE,the winds were secondary.
You know, I actually think there’s a chance this might happen. I suspect the NHC contains persons who have long been arguing for a fuller and more sophisticated (dual-mode) presentation of the facts about these windstorms. It’s not as though the public is too simple-minded to make sense of them. It’s that the NHC has been too condescending to boil things down into a handier format than hurricane “category.”
About whether NYC’s mayor over-reacted: I think he did, at least in part. I’ve read critics saying that, at a minimum, shutting down the bus lines as extensively as he did, and as early as he did, was extreme. I infer that the extent of the subway-system shutdown and of the evacuation orders were also somewhat excessive.
Not true, if they also classify the TS’s threat level as high, per the dual-mode warning system I’ve suggested.
And also, if they DON’T downgrade it to a TS, coastal people will be trained to take the next hurricane warning less seriously. “You can never do just one thing.”
Evacuation wouldn’t have saved the people inland from falling trees. Evacuation is primarily a defense of dense coastal populations against storm surges, which can isolate large numbers of them in high-rise buildings with elevators without power for long periods.
Hmm. If the NHC had downgraded Irene, we scoffers would still be citing the record-period-without-a-landfall, much to the irritation of climate alarmists. This could have been a motive for the NHC’s mismeasurement—to shut us up.
Willis Eschenbach says in reply: “so I’m not sure what your point about trees and leaves is.”
I’m not sure either, Willis. I must have been tired of, and from, cleaning up the mess. Probably venting.