Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
There’s an online calculator called MODTRAN that calculates the absorption of longwave (“greenhouse”) radiation for various greenhouse gases (“GHGs”), and shows their resulting effect. It does this on a “line-by-line” basis, meaning it examines each interval of the longwave spectrum for each greenhouse gas at each altitude, and calculates the resulting absorption by each species given the concentration and the partial pressure of that species. Figure 1 shows the calculation results for the default values of CO2, ozone, and methane.
Figure 1. MODTRAN results. The jagged red line at the top right shows what is not absorbed by the atmosphere. Colored lines in the background are theoretical “no-absorption” curves for various temperatures. The big “bite” out of the middle section of the jagged red line is mainly water vapor absorption, although it overlaps with the CO2 absorption bands in parts of it. The graph at the lower right shows the pressure, temperature, and the concentration of H20, Ozone, CO2, and CH4 at various elevations. The number “Iout” is the total energy that is not absorbed, so as absorption increases, that number will decrease.
That all seems straightforward, it looks the same as in heaps of textbooks … so where’s the MODTRAN oddity?
The oddity arose as a result of my wanting to know more about the doubling of CO2, and the 3.7 watts per square metre of increased absorption that IPCC claims the aforesaid doubling of CO2 is supposed to cause. To find out what MODTRAN says, I put in 750 ppm of CO2 in the top cell, and I had MODTRAN recalculate the Iout. To my surprise, I found that it was 284.672 … which when subtracted from the starting Iout shown above of 287.844 gives us only 3.2 watts per square metre increased absorption (forcing change) for a doubling of CO2.
I had left the “No Clouds or Rain” choice selected, thinking that the biggest change in CO2 would be in clear-sky conditions. So I figured “well, perhaps clouds or rain increase the absorption when CO2 doubles” … but investigating various cloud results showed that was not the case, they all gave smaller absorption changes. My original intuition was correct, clear-sky conditions give the biggest change in absorption for a doubling of CO2.
So I thought, “well, perhaps I’m looking at the wrong region of the Earth”. The other latitude bands available in MODTRAN are Midlatitude Summer and Winter, and Subarctic Summer and Winter. I took nominal CO2 values to represent the CO2 concentration in 1850 (285 ppmv), default (375 ppmv), doubling of 1850 value (570 ppmv) and doubling of the present value (750 ppmv). I figured that would give me two doublings, and let me see if the increases were linear with the logarithm of the number of doublings. I used MODTRAN to calculate the absorption change in each latitude band. Figure 2 shows those results, with the X axis being the number of doublings, and the Y-axis showing the increase in longwave absorption.
Figure 2. MODTRAN and IPCC values for the increase in forcing due to increasing CO2. The forcing change in each region per doubling of CO2 in watts per square metre is shown after the name in the legend, followed by “T=” and the surface temperature.
First thing I noticed is that the lines are all straight. So MODTRAN does indeed show a linear relationship between logarithm of the CO2 increase and the calculated increase in absorption. So no surprise there.
What was a surprise is that none of the other latitude bands had larger changes in absorption than the tropics. I’d thought that since the IPCC says the global average change from doubling CO2 is 3.7 W/m2, that because the tropics were at 3.2 W/m2, somewhere else the absorption must be above 3.7 W/m2 to make the average correct. But that’s not the case. They’re all smaller.
I also thought that the difference in absorption might be due to the different surface temperatures … but Midlatitude Winter and Subarctic Summer have about the same calculated absorption, yet their surface temperatures are about 15 degrees apart.
Note that what I have shown, the change in absorption, is also called the “instantaneous” forcing, abbreviated Fi. There are various other forcings one can measure. Hansen discusses them here (PDF), and gives a value of 4.52 W/m2 for the instantaneous forcing from a doubling of CO2 according to his climate model (Table 1, p. 7). Presumably his model does a line-by-line calculation similar to MODTRAN to figure out the absorption changes.
The IPCC, on the other hand, says:
The simple formulae for RF [radiative forcing] of the LLGHG [long-lived greenhouse gases] quoted in Ramaswamy et al. (2001) are still valid. These formulae are based on global RF calculations where clouds, stratospheric adjustment and solar absorption are included, and give an RF of +3.7 W m–2 for a doubling in the CO2 mixing ratio.
SOURCE: IPCC AR4 WG1 (PDF) page 140
So it appears the IPCC result is not based on a line by line calculation …
And that’s the MODTRAN oddity. Here’s the question:
1. Why does the MODTRAN calculated line-by-line change in absorption range from a low of 1.7 W/m2 to a high of 3.2 W/m2, while Hansen is saying the answer is really 4.5 W/m2 and the IPCC uses 3.7 W/m2?
Since according to MODTRAN (and logic) clouds reduce the effect of a doubling of CO2, and the IPCC (and presumably Hansen) are using all-sky conditions, that makes the IPCC/Hansen figures even farther from the MODTRAN figures.
Please note that (per Hansen) the instantaneous forcing Fi is greater than the adjusted forcing Fa by about 0.4 W/m2. The IPCC is saying that the 3.7 W/m2 is the adjusted forcing Fa, the forcing after the stratosphere adjusts to the change. So their value for instantaneous forcing would be larger, removing the stratospheric adjustment would put it at about 4.1 W/m2. So the IPCC is closer to Hansen’s value for the instantaneous forcing … but it means they’re further from the MODTRAN calculations.
I don’t know what I’m missing here, and I don’t understand these results, so any assistance gladly accepted.
w.
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Here is a method to use MODTRANS that appears to work at top of atmosphere.
1. Start with defaults
2. enter current CO2 levels – say 390 ppm
3. Submit
4 – result is 287.687 W @ur momisugly 299.70 K
5. Double the CO2 to 780 ppm
6. Submit – result is 284.484 W @ur momisugly 299.70 K
The model is now out of balance as our W have gone down. This is because CO2 is blocking radiation from the surface. But over time W cannot go down as as energy in must equal energy out. So, we must adjust the Ground T offset.
7. Change the Ground T offset to 0.9
8. Submit
9. – result is 287.687 W @ur momisugly 300.60K
Our model is now in balance. Our energy out balances the original energy in. What this tells me is that a doubling of CO2, clear sky in the tropics, will raise temperatures by 0.9C. The top of atmosphere radiation must remain unchanged, as the energy from the sun is unchanged.
If we repeat this for the US standard atmosphere, and balance th model for energy in = energy out, clear sky we get at TOA:
390 ppm CO2 – 258.673W @ur momisugly 288.2K – Ground T offset 0
780 ppm CO2 – 258.673W @ur momisugly 289.07K – Ground T offset 0.87
So, the predicted increase in temperature is 0.87C for the US standard atmosphere for a doubling of CO2, which is not very different than the 0.9C predicted for the tropics.
When we repeat the above using 1976 US Standard atmosphere with 12.5mm/hr rain at 390 ppm CO2 we get the following:
250.98W @ur momisugly 288.2K – Ground T offset 0
When we balance the model with 780ppm CO2 we get:
250.98W @ur momisugly 289.03K – Ground offset 0.825
This is slightly less than our clear sky result, which says that we will get a slightly smaller temperature increase from a doubling of CO2 if it is raining.
Repeating this in the subarctic summer, clear sky I get
390ppm CO2 – 261.75W @ur momisugly 287.20K
780ppm CO2 – 261.75W @ur momisugly 287.92K – Ground T offset 0.72
Repeating this in the subarctic winter, clear sky I get
390ppm CO2 – 196.564W @ur momisugly 257.20K
780ppm CO2 – 196.564W @ur momisugly 257.84K – Ground T offset 0.64
This tells me that the 0.9C temperature increase predicted for the clear sky tropical atmosphere model is likely the worst case situation, as the predicted increase appears less in the other situations tested.
Fouse, your result is a consequence of the air getting warmer with height as you get higher in the stratosphere.
HenryP, radiative models are based on measurements of absorption lines, and theories about how these change with concentration, pressure and temperature. The theories are accurate but can’t be globally perfect everywhere, and to do this you are averaging a wide range of soundings globally.
George E. Smith wrote: And for the umteenth time, Kirchoff’s Law citing the absolute equality at any and all wavelengths of emissivity, and absorbance is ONLY true for a material that is in thermal equilibrium with an EM field of radiation; which of necessity has to be a closed system, which the earth’s atmosphere is not, and it most certainly is never in thermal equilibrium, since it is constantly assaulted by a highly varying assortment of EM radiation, from multiple sources, all of which have different Temperatures for their sources, and you cannot have thermal equilibrium and multiple Temperatures together at the same time, it flies in the face of the very definition of thermal equilibrium..
Does it occur to anyone reading here at WUWT, that ALL atomic or molecular line/band spectra of any kind, are prima facie evidence of non equilibrium (in the thermal sense). Resonance absorption or emission processes that are the cause of the very absorption bands that the GHG concept is all about, are all non equilibrium processes; they all involve finite lifetimes of the various excited states, and must terminate eventually.
I am glad that you emphasized the non-equilibrium thermodynamics.
I have a question for everyone. I have not yet found where I can read about this. The Earth surface radiates energy that is absorbed by GHG molecules. Those molecules re-transmit the energy in two ways: (a) by re-radiating in their characteristic abosrption/emission spectra; (b) by collisions with other molecules. Of all the radiant energy absorbed by the GHG molecules collectively, what fraction is re-radiated, and what fraction is transmitted via collisions? How much does this fraction vary by altitude and pressure?
Henry@Ferd, JimD, Mathew & others
I think you still don’t understand how the CO2 is cooling the atmosphere.
If you understand the principle of absorption and re-radiation
(which is often totally misunderstood)
then you will know and understand why Modtran is just impossible.
(hint: you cannot look at only the part of the spectrum of a molecule where earth emits predominantly – you have to compare the (deflected) incoming SW versus the outgoing back radiated LW and then you have to give me the difference of those two somehow worked out in W/m2)
……it is impossible?
Do take some time to look at the reference paper in the footnote here and you will figure out how re-radiation caused by the CO2 works:
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-Aug-2011
RE:ferd berple: (August 21, 2011 at 7:58 am)
“Here is a method to use MODTRANS that appears to work at top of atmosphere.”
I have used it in the past with the clear tropical air setting to find what temperature it says, with any given CO2 concentration, is required to provide, 70 km up, an energy flow of 292.993 W/m2 . This energy flow number was based on my estimate of the solar constant averaged over the surface of the Earth, the albedo of the moon, and it being one of those discrete values that the program was willing to return. My intent was to get an indication of the *raw* (no feedbacks) effect of CO2 concentration on the temperature of the earth. In the CO2 concentration range we have now, it is predicting a raw tangent slope on the order of 0.9 deg C per doubling.
The program gives answers over a wide range of CO2 concentrations, including zero, but Willis and others have raised good questions about the basic validity of the tool, especially when used outside of the scope of its intended use by the Air Force.
Spector says:
August 21, 2011 at 12:05 pm
0.9C was the worst case no feedback increase I found for a doubling of CO2.
I have some real doubts that it works the way mainstream climate science suggests, otherwise we should be able to focus the DLR to heat an object, not just slow the rate of cooling.
What I’d like to see is a real world experiment with a control to actually show that DLR effects the rate of cooling. I’ve seen one sided models, but without a control they don’t really show anything.
We know that glass for example reflects LR (Greenhouses). So it should be possible to set up an experiment with two identical objects sitting outside at nighttime, and affect the cooling rate of one as compared to the other by reflecting the DLR onto one of the objects. By positioning the glass equal distance from both objects, this should balance out any LR from the glass itself, so the only difference should be reflected DLR.
So far I’ve not seen anyone conduct any such experiment that has shown any reduction in cooling as compared to the control. Has anyone?
Until and unless this can be done then the notion that the colder atmosphere can reduce the cooling rate of the warmer surface has not been demonstrated outside of theory. It may be true, it may not, but it remains unproven and unverified. As such, it is a huge leap of faith to base the future of our economy on an unproven and unverified theory. It could make Stalin and Pol Pot look like saints in comparison.
Willis Eschenbach says:
August 19, 2011 at 4:17 pm
MODTRAN gives from 4.5 (tropics) to 1.8 (subarctic winter) as values for the clear-sky conditions.
I’ve shown a method above where MODTRAN gives 0.9C tropics to 0.64C subarctic winter, for a doubling of CO2, with clouds further reducing this.
Personally I’d like to see an experiment with a control that demonstrates that DLR from the night sky can slow the rate of cooling of a warmer object. The theoretical hand waving reminds me of arguments over how many angels can fit on the head of a pin. No matter how plausible the theory sounds, that doesn’t mean it will hold true in reality. If there is one constant in science, it is that nature continues to surprise us in unexpected way.
michael, This 1974 Nimbus-4 satellite spectra (reference on next page) shows a central CO2 peak. Perhaps the image you were using was filtered (common when comparing high resolution data with older low resolution instruments). It is unfortunate that the MODTRAN algorithms are hidden behind NDAs (non-disclosure agreements). As a result, nothing in those plots can be trusted.
It is my understanding that atmosphere samples have been collected up to the mesopause and returned for analysis. In addition, in situ analysis has been done. As a result, I am willing to accept that CO2 is well mixed up to the mesopause. I understand that the spectra would be easier to understand if this was not true.
As for resolution, the latest version of MODTRAN provides a max of 0.2 cm-1. (The older ones used 20 cm-1 or 2 cm-1.) The plot above has no where near that much (and there is no indication of which version, or resolution, was used). Since the lines in question are about 0.08 cm-1 apart, even the 0.2 cm-1 is not enough. I agree with your analysis, but have been unable to write a program to analyze the mesosphere – the Doppler line broadening formula does not work (is wrong, fails dimensional analysis when using HITRAN data).
The anomaly that bothers me is water vapor near 500 cm-1 (looking down from 70km) – it is too hot and too continuous. I assume that this energy is coming from the troposphere.
BTM, you might be able to find the image you were using at the wayback machine.
HenryP, the amount of CO2 absorption is very small, and leads to atmospheric warming anyway, not cooling. H2O has a much bigger effect of this sort.
ferd berple says:
the notion that the colder atmosphere can reduce the cooling rate of the warmer surface has not been demonstrated
Everyone should know that almost every night the surface is much cooler than the atmosphere above it. Thus, a warm atmosphere is warming a cold surface. At the poles, this temperature inversion lasts for 6 months.
I’d like to see is a real world experiment with a control to actually show that DLR effects the rate of cooling.
Try 2 coolers covered with sheets of glass. Cover one of the sheets with ice to block the DLR. There will be an obvious difference between temperatures inside the coolers. Using liquid nitrogen should make an even bigger difference. There are many similar experiments. For instance, covering a pot of water allows it to boil quicker than not covering it.
Remember, space is about 4K. Therefore, anything warmer than 4K (such as an atmosphere) will make the surface warmer – even if the intervening substance is colder than the surface.
RE: ferd berple says: (August 21, 2011 at 2:09 pm)
“0.9C was the worst case no feedback increase I found for a doubling of CO2.”
I admit that I did not explore the other surface options because I wanted to get a basic or pristine result. I did not consider the other settings to be relevant to my purpose.
I ran what might be called a ‘constant current’ or more exactly a constant energy flow analysis even though the MODTRAN utility was not set up to do that. This meant a laborious hunt and pick method for each CO2 concentration level to find the temperature required to produce 292.993 W/m2 energy flow out at the top of the atmosphere to balance the assumed constant global solar input. Yes, this assumes that the solar input energy absorbed is independent of the CO2 concentration and ground temperature–no cloud feedback effect. I do not claim my results to be any more than a rough indication.
RE: Robert Clemenzi: (August 21, 2011 at 2:24 pm)
“The plot above has no where near that much (and there is no indication of which version, or resolution, was used).”
You can get those details if you select “save text” before the run then “View the whole output file” after the results come back.
Thanks Spector, based on that, the resolution is 2.0 cm-1.
Jim says
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/18/odtran-moddities/#comment-724825
You lost the plot.
The absorption of CO2 around 2 and 4-5 um is big and is the cause for considerable deflection of sunlight. The 4-5 absorption alon is almost as big as the 14-15 um absorption.
Hence they can (even) measure it (i.e. the re-radiation) as it bounces back from the moon.
So without the CO2 in the air, there would be even more IR coming down on my head here.
Do take some time to look at the reference paper (blue print) in the footnote here and you will figure out how re-radiation caused by the CO2 works:
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-Aug-2011
MODTRAN Output File Application
I note that if I use the “View the whole output file” to copy the results to spreadsheet and then perform a subtraction of the ‘looking up’ from the ‘looking down’ data at the tropical tropopause level (18 km up), the result only shows a complete cancellation around the 15 micron (670 cm-1) CO2 emission band and nowhere else. I take this to mean that the radiation window to outer space is almost wide open at that altitude. This is not true at near ground level (.05 km). Note that the tool-provided wave number plot scale, which is equivalent to frequency, is best for performing energy integrations.
The data used for the plots shows up at the bottom of the file under the heading of “Total” just between “Reflected” and Radiance.” For those unfamiliar with the term, the tropopause is the coldest point in the lower atmosphere and might be thought of as the nominal ‘top of convection altitude;’ it is just under the stratosphere.
Note, for example, that both water vapor and oxygen/ozone also absorb in the 14-15 region. Modtran is just an elaborate fraud to let you think that the “science is settled”
But the real truth is: more carbon dioxide is better.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/more-carbon-dioxide-is-ok-ok
HenryP says: (August 22, 2011 at 12:45 pm)
“Modtran is just an elaborate fraud to let you think that the ‘science is settled'”
Actually, MODTRAN seems to be indicating CO2 is a minor issue; at the tropopause altitude, it is an approximate 90 wave-number wide hole in the middle of a 900 wave-number wide stream .
ODTRAN Moddities++
It has been my understanding that the energy observed with the sensor looking down (energy flowing up) minus the energy observed with the sensor looking up (energy flowing down, i.e. back-radiation) should be the net energy moving out. However when I do this in one case, I get something like the following:
MODTRAN appears to be telling us that most of the radiant energy escaping from the Earth originates not from the surface, but the lower seven kilometers of the atmosphere. Either that or the energy seen looking up is about 2.6 times what it should be. That is the back-flow divisor required to approximate a constant flow out from the surface.
A few more ‘Moddities, Altitude=0 km, conditions above (August 23, 2011 at 11:11 pm)
except:
A. All greenhouse gases except CO2 set to zero:
Looking down: 427.668 W/m2
Looking up: 123.999 W/m2
Flowing out: 303.669 W/m2
99 Km out: 364.554 W/m2
B. All greenhouse gases set to zero:
Looking down: 427.668 W/m2
Looking up: 49.298 W/m2
Flowing out: 378.370 W/m2
99 Km out: 408.200 W/m2
Spector, that makes no sense. Using the “Tropical atmosphere” and T-Offset=2.2
427.668 W/m2 and 301.9K implies 90.7% emissivity.
However, the “real” IR emissivity should be 98% or better.
At 100% emissivity, 301.9K should produce 471.02 W/m2
at 98%, 461.6 W/m2
The following is from the bottom of the data file
BOUNDARY TEMPERATURE = 301.90 K
BOUNDARY EMISSIVITY = 0.980
Every time I look at MODTRAN, there seems to be something else that I don’t understand.
This table of emissivities indicates that perhaps 95% might be better.
RE: Robert Clemenzi says: (August 26, 2011 at 9:45 pm)
“Spector, that makes no sense. Using the “Tropical atmosphere” and T-Offset=2.2
“427.668 W/m2 and 301.9K implies 90.7% emissivity.
However, the “real” IR emissivity should be 98% or better.”
I have also noticed that the maximum output tends to be at 0.05 km and declines at lower altitudes. Given that this was an Air Force test program, I wonder if these might be custom provisions for non mission-critical quirks in the intended application system. It is interesting to note that the plot with all greenhouse gases set to zero (including the Water Vapor Scale) seems to show a ghost of the upper-air CO2 pattern when looking up from 0 km.
I assume that the indication that most of the Earth’s radiation to outer space comes not from the surface, but largely from the atmosphere—and that primarily from water vapor in the troposphere—is more or less correct, as this is just the ticket to allow descending air to overwhelm the 9.8 degree C / km adiabatic heating as it returns to the surface.
RE: Robert Clemenzi says: (August 26, 2011 at 9:45 pm)
MODTRAN Surface Emissivity Anomaly
Robert, after looking over the data returned for a while, it appears to me that the emissivity anomaly that you have noticed is most likely due to the limited range of integration used. Based on the output file, that only runs from wave number (cycles per centimeter) 100 to 1500. (This is equivalent to a wavelength range of 100 down to 6.667 microns.) At these limits, the standard Planck’s Law radiation curve has reduced the emitted power to about 12.5 or 20 percent of the peak value.
Henry@spector&more
Try first to understand how an why re-radiation works before you start doing any calculations….
You have to show me the cooling rate as well as any warming.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-Aug-2011
Thank Spector, good catch.