Riots May Have Killed Britain's Green Consensus

Friends:
I write to thank the several who have supported my analysis of the present problems of British culture (that I summarised at August 16, 2011 at 9:41 am). Your comments give me confidence that my view has some degree of merit.
I write to make two points that arise from the discussion.
Firstly, these issues of cultural identity and loss are about the forces that induce cultural cohesion. In other words, they are about the ‘glue’ which holds any society together. Hence, they are independent of political view and philosophy.
This independence from political philosophy is supported by the fact that several ‘right wing’ commentators have stated agreement with my post at August 16, 2011 at 9:41 am, and I am a left-wing socialist of the old-fahioned British kind.
Diversity and mutually respectful conflict of political views prevent the stagnation of unifomity and provide developments in society. But any society requires adoption of the fundamental principles for developing its young that my post considered.
And that brings us to my second point.
Replacement of political debate by an over-riding so-called ‘moral’ imperative destroys any society. There are several such impositions that I see have had varying degrees of ‘success’ with resulting harm.
One major such imposition is ‘green’ philosophy. This is independent of political philosophy (despite the claims of some Americans).
Here, in the UK, all the major political parties have adopted it. Indeed, Margaret Thatcher (of the right) created the AGW-scare as a political ploy to obtain personal credibility; see
http://www.john-daly.com/history.htm
Since then, some of the left have tried to claim she promoted the scare as a method to attack the miners (which was NOT her reason) because that enables them to assert the AGW-scare is really part of their left-wing politics.
In fact, ‘green’ is a philosphical view that stands apart from politics but attempts to impose its view on everything including politics. This is similar to some atypical religious views whereby the believers in that religion attempt to impose their philosophy upon everything including politics. Results of imposing such philosophies on politics have been dire. In the case of ‘green’ philosophy we have the example of the Khmer Rouge.
Another such imposition is ‘political correctness’. This is an attempt to prevent discussion of issues by defining those issues as being improper to discuss. And it is a varient of the Orwellian concept of ‘Newspeak’. When successful this imposition prevents any objection and/or dispute of the actions conducted by those who have defined what is – and is not – politically correct.
Anyway, I suppose people could expect a Methodist Preacher such as myself to be saying such things, so I will stop before prompting accusations that I am being overly pious.
Richard

Edward Bancroft:
re. your comment at August 17, 2011 at 10:44 am.
There is no “myth” concerning the fact that Margaret Thatcher originated the AGW-scare: she did.
Please read my account at http://www.john-daly.com/history.htm
That account was extracted from a report I provided in 1981 as a result of research I conducted in 1980 (i.e. before the AGW-scare took-off) and it predicted the AGW-scare would occur and would displace all other environmental issues whether or not any evidence to support AGW were to be obtained. The clients for that report rejected it because they considered its prediction to be “fanciful” and “implausible”. But, since then AGW has displaced all other environmental issues but has yet to obtain any supporting evidence.
Nearly two decades later, in the late 1990s, the late John Daley asked me to post on his web site the pertinent part of the analysis together with some updated relevant information. The article at the link is that post.
Also, Lord Monckton of Blenchley (a strong AGW skeptic) was a political advisor to Mrs Thatcher when she was UK Prime Minister and he agrees she started the scare, but he says she later “changed her mind” about the matter. Search WUWT for a thread where he puts his views on the subject.
AGW has become a polarised political issue in the USA (n.b. this political polarisation is unique to the USA) and some right-wing American politicians have attempted to dispute the documented fact that Margaret Thatcher started the scare. My article at the link explains why she started it. Many (including me) suspect she came to regret what resulted from that, but there is no possibility of rational disute that she did start the AGW-scare.
And none of that has any affect on the substantive points in my two posts above.
Richard

Edward Bancroft:
You are entitled to believe whatever you want, but your belief does not alter the truth and the facts.
It is simply not true that Al Gore initiated the AGW-scare except, possibly, in the US because the AGW-scare was raging in Europe before his involvement in the issue.
An article in the Daily Telegraph proves nothing, and Christopher Booker tells me that he cites my account in his book on the matter, so I don’t think your links indicate anything.
Much more informative is the account of the matter and the resulting thread on WUWT at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/16/margaret-thatcher-the-world%e2%80%99s-first-climate-realist/
Please read Lord Monkton’s account as the article at the head of that link, then read the associated thread taking especial note of my posts at June 17, 2010 at 11:14 am and June 18, 2010 at 6:58 am and the summarising post by Lucy Skywalker at June 18, 2010 at 5:16 pm.
But so what? None of this has any relevance to my substantive points in my first two posts above.
Richard

Edward Bancroft:
I am now convinced you are a troll attempting to deflect this thread onto your nonsense.
Margaret Thatcher started the AGW scare. I watched her do it, and I predicted the result before the scare she was then initiating had occured. Chris Monckton was her advisor, chosen and appointed by her, and he says he was there when she changed her mind from AGW advocacy to AGW skepticism. I gave you a link to Chris Monckton saying that, and the link includes several, referenced direct quotes from Margaret Thatcher which are clear and unequivocal AGW advocacy.
Those are the facts. But you don’t want to believe them. Believe what you like, but DO NOT use your belief (whether real or faux) to side-track this thread.
Your response to my presenting those facts was
1.
to pretend you had not said;
“The politician most responsible for the AGW scary stories was Al Gore. Compare Mrs. Thatcher’s analytical approach with that of the unrelenting near-hysterical whipping up of the fear from Gore”,
and 2.
to assert that my posts “prove nothing” and are akin to a political article in the Daily Telegraph.
Do your trolling somewhere else. I will ignore any further attempts at distraction from you.
Richard