As reported by the NYT. Oops. Now we know why we heard the real Gore speaking, not just the made for TV version of Al. And… due to this story going viral, we get the “Full Monty” at last.
From AspenJournalism.org
These remarks were recorded in the Doerr-Hosier Center, where the event took place, through the center’s sound board. The reporter who recorded them, Brent Gardner-Smith, had a press pass to the event and was recording what he understood to be remarks that were also being streamed on the Internet and were therefore public.
Here’s the essence of Gore’s “bullshit” remarks in high quality audio, plus other highlights we haven’t heard before.
Below is the audio of his entire talk, nearly 90 minutes.
…and the highlights, with notes below:
:03 on the lack of online business models that can support investigative reporting
:56 On Tahir Square being more literal and metaphorical, including emergence of new consciousness
4:44 does not buy that the Internet is inherently polarizing
6:36 On assumptions regarding free markets
7:23 on the workings of the brain and distraction
8:39 our culture is based on distraction
9:00 on dominance of money in campaigns
9:37 fools errand to try and change campaign finance laws, but Internet can help
10:19 need for public square
11:14 has to be a neutral place to share common information
12:23 on effort to pin 9/11 on Saddam Hussein
14:18 recent debt debate also influenced by propaganda
15:19 on creating a shared reality online
16:18 problem-solving requires “a single reality”
17:11 reason can triumph over wealth and power, but in the TV age, wealth and power triumph
18:37 on the importance of New York and DC to PR efforts
19:39 how the debt ceiling debate was influenced by TV ads
20:19 share reality helped make the U.S. great, now we’re making bad decisions without it
21:05 tobacco interests fighting back on TV in the ’60s
21:47 On “The Merchants of Doubt” and tobacco regulation
22:46 On the use of propaganda in the climate debate. (The “bullshit” cut).
23:36 No longer acceptable to even use the word “climate.”
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johnB you just created a strawman or you lied. Which is it?
Yep, it’s always funny to see the alarmist baffled that the skeptics get all the clout.
Gore just can’t believe that he could not do the spin any more.
All alarmist have a good cause: save the world!
To do so they preach: thou have to be modest and humble.
They take some facts to support their cause and make the spin. They get desperate when they see the spin is not working, because reality comes in their way.
to MikeinAppalachia,
I was trying to be facetious without appearing to be so – now the truth out – damn!:.))
I listened to the whole 90 minutes, and I thought it was a very interesting discussion of democracy and the media they were having. And my opinion of Al Gore went up several notches.
I thought that the point where he ‘loses it’ was one which came in his response to a question about tobacco and smoking, and how if the US Surgeon General had said that smoking causes lung cancer in the internet age, a week later there would be somebody else saying that smoking helped people to breathe better (or something like that). Gore sees the global warming debate in the same light, but with Big Oil replacing Big Tobacco as the denier of the climate science authorities.
Back in 1960, the US Surgeon General was accepted unquestioningly as an authority, and everybody believed him. When the climate scientists tried to come on as authorities in the same way 50 years later, they weren’t readily believed.
The real question maybe is not so much “Are people wrong today to doubt or disagree with authoritative climate scientists?” but instead, “Should people have believed the Surgeon General so readily 50 years ago?”
Philip Thomas says:
August 10, 2011 at 2:45 am
Isn’t the swearing, the passion and the reported knowledge that Al knew nothing about the streaming, and so was off-guard, just a viral campaign by the AGW movement? When an organised movement like this wave its right hand, you should be looking at what is is doing with the left.
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Philip, that only makes sense if they are trying to portray him as vulnerable, you know, the poor beat up guy trying to save the world and making an impassioned speech but getting carried away by his emotions. I’m not sure that his speech fits that perception.
And does it really matter where the left hand is when the right hand is stuck firmly up the bum?
we need more Al Gore impersonators,
Perhaps a career change?……………..Vaudeville theatre would be just up your street Al.
Gore does not have uber-high IQ test results. Significantly lower than GWB, in fact (as is Kerry).
Oh, I hear also that while he claims to be 6’1″, those who have met him say it’s more like 5’7″ (plus elevator shoes?). Not much height to carry all the lard he’s putting on.
Al Gore fails to understand his failure because he is a politician, not a scientist. In politics you go to the interview/speech/ and spout bullshit, your opponent does not dispute it, he just adds his own pile of bullshit. You cap his CRaP with more of your own until all that is left as time runs out is an interviewer/ audience subsumed by CRaP. Politician goes away happy, audience goes away bemused. However, when science is introduced to the forum, someone inevitably stands up and says,”Hey,that’s CRaP, there is no proof/ no evidence/no logic/no sense to what you are saying”. This is anathema to a politician. We are supposed to clap the CRaP and go away bemused, not argue the point. Politics and science DO NOT MIX because the fundamental rule is different. Bullshit is acceptable in politics, not in science.
I don’t know if this is ethical or allowed but I lifted this comment by “Dave” in its entirety from Jo Novas site on the same topic. It creased me up! Please feel free to snip it out if one cannot do this.
comment 22 Dave. August 7th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Halftime:
Al Gore walks onto the stage at a UN meeting – the crowd jeers & boos, The Pope walks onto the stage and the crowd cheers. The Pope sits next to Al and says:-
“Do you know that with one little movement of my hand I can make every person in this crowd go wild with joy! This joy will not be a momentary display, like those believers in CAGW, but go deep into their hearts, and they’ll forever speak of this day and rejoice”
Al Gore replied “Bullshit!”
So the pope backhanded the self-important rude little upstart and the crowd went wild!
In the ’60s, the Surgeon General had epidemiological studies to bolster his case. And in the beginning, the climate scientists WERE believed. It’s just that as policy decisions started to be made that involved massive disruption to the economy people said “Wait a sec, could we just look at those numbers again?” and that’s when the fun started.
Me thinks tax increases are on the horizon from the special committee. The republican selection does not look too good, especially with the two Michigan reps. Upton has already been on record of supporting tax increases and not too long ago CAP and TAX, and it only takes ONE repub to agree with the 6 liberal dems and the deal is done. Too bad….
Alcheson,
Did you really expect anything different? This was pure Republican incompetence, which will lead to one of two outcomes: either one R caves and the D faction gets what it wants, or there is no agreement, and our military is gutted – which may happen anyway.
I suspect the former, since it’s easy enough to buy a vote with enough pork.
“johnB you just created a strawman or you lied. Which is it?”
Any reason it can’t be both, Phil?
a bit of evolutionary psychology might clarify the Gore syndrome:
It may well be that social attention rewards are the most important motivating mechanism behind human activities. In our tribal past status indicated by social attention was tied directly to reproductive success, and it is still a major factor in this endeavour.
It should come as no surprise that this powerful reward mechanism can be taken over by drug-induced rewards, but this is not the only way the brain reward system can be hijacked. Memes (we finally get back to them!), which manifest as cults and related social movements, have “discovered” the brain’s reward system as well. Successful cult memes induce intense social interaction behaviour between cult members. This trips the attention detectors. Tripping the detectors causes the release of reward chemicals without having any more connection to “real world” improvements in reproductive success than abusing addictive drugs. Anyone who has ever had the feeling of being higher than a kite after giving a public speech is well aware of the effects of attention.
A delightful full on irony meme – you should listen to the full 90 mins if you have the chance
On how information is freedom….until it bites you in the derrière at which point it becomes…well we had better ask the man himself – This truly has made my day 🙂
“it could happen in as little as 7 years” – No Summer Sea Ice coverage at the North Pole. Al’s Nobel Peace Prize Speech 10th Dec 2007
“Seven years from now”. Just 3 to go Al before this claim is outed as …………
Not sure if the vido link will work, but it is Jimmy Kimmel making fun of Al Gore un censored.
Look Al,
You’re a likeable guy – you’re rich and handsome – everything going for you.
Before you lose all credibility, why not gradually just shift your propaganda to real, chemical pollution. I mean, we all know the problem is with the IPCC- not you!
You can always say, you based your mission on what you thought was the most reliable source of science- but, it turns out the IPCC is corrupt.
So there – don’t you think that’s a face saving way out?
Come on Al, there are many real environmental challenges out there that need a high profile spokesman such as yourself – it’s just not climate change.
best to you.
Now we know why Gpre generally doesn’t allow people in to hear his talks unless they are committed enough to pay the price of admission!!
D.J. Dawkins,
those epidemiological studies weren’t any better than the studies that claimed DDT was bad for the environment. You do remember that Correlation does not equal Causation?? Most of those epidemiological studies were poorly controlled studies in correlation. It was years before any decent research came out that did more than show correlation. So then they went after second hand smoke. The studies are even WORSE!!!!
JUNK SCIENCE!!
Ever lean back on your climbing spikes and realize, that the strangest thing about time is that in the Bush/Gore election, the SANE guy won!
Ever think as well that what you, a person with hundreds of hours’ electronic engineering & years of atmospheric electromagnetic energy transmission, capture and analysis, would lean back and lay a hand on the knobs of your spectrum analyzer to have the thought flash through your mind, that
CREATIONISTS
from TEXAS and ALABAMA
called the SCIENTIFIC BLUFF of the most SOPHISTICATED M.E.N. F.R.O.M. A.R.O.U.N.D. T.H.E. W.O.R.L.D. and WON.
Ever think how ironic that is, all told? What the CHANCES are that the PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE who LOST the EASIEST to WIN ELECTION in RECENT HISTORY, would GO INSANE upon losing and LAUNCH a C.A.M.P.A.I.G.N. of T.E.R.R.O.R. that WE ALL HAD TO RESORT TO HIS POLITICS IN SPITE of the ELECTION or WE WOULD ALL DIE?
Gentlemen & ladies, I may put the first part in those sarcastically subjective terms reserved for winners, but parts two and three are D.O.N.E. and S.H.O.W.N. true.
And people say they just can’t understand the thrill of watching world politics for the laughs of ones’ metaphilosophical life… I sometimes say that kind of thing to my engineering friends and they all laugh, too;
You LITERALLY, COULDN’T MAKE ALL THIS UP and have it be funnier, if it wasn’t so tragically criminal.
I’d never have believed the past few years’ American history if I weren’t around to measure it in the electronic wireless telecommunications & controls field. We put instruments on a lotta stuff. Pretty much anything a guy’s got to do, if he wanted to automate, magnify, speed it up or make it steadier, we put the things together that let him either talk to it, control it, or meter it.
So I know it wasn’t just some perception I had during a sunstroke while sniffing solvents to clean my anti-black-helicopter gun down to the compound there…
LoL…
I guess we’ll all now be told, that Gore’s speech was a “Big Oil Astroturf Propaganda Campaign against Mr President-of-the-World Gore.”
LoLoL…
Sometimes during the unraveling of ClimateGate revelations I’d bait those warmers WITH THE FACT that THE LEADER of THEIR MOVEMENT was a SOUTHERN WHITE MALE EVANGELICAL CREATIONIST.
They didn’t think that was very funny.
Course they didn’t think it was Ok to read a thermometer without the government telling them what it REALLY meant when it said X, Y, or Z;
Wow.
ZombieLand.
W.a.y.
I think that when Al received the Nobel Prize, he threw out any doubt he may have had, fully believing that he was fully vindicated and completely correct.
It may take him a long while to understand that he was had.
I guess we should have just pointed out to them that Al Gore Science was actually, Southern White Creationist Science, and that would have settled the debate, huh..
LoL at the entire atheistic, ‘we don’t do nuthin but cypher’ uber-slipper-&-sandals establishment in government jobs, FOLLOWING a SOUTHERN CREATIONIST EVANGELICAL piping them all crazy as drunk baboons down Darwin Drive to Full Circle, at the corner of Far Out Avenue and Meltdown Street.
Frank Davis says:
August 10, 2011 at 9:51 am
“Back in 1960, the US Surgeon General was accepted unquestioningly as an authority, and everybody believed him. When the climate scientists tried to come on as authorities in the same way 50 years later, they weren’t readily believed.
The real question …”
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Frank, do you believe the US Surgeon General is still believable today? If so then it isn’t the Internet that is responsible for disbelief in climate science. If not, then what has caused such important people to lose credibility?
Try googling “does the US surgeon general lie” and you will see a hundred web-sites still trying to make cigarette smoking look good.
The real questions are:
1. Why are people not affected by tobacco rhetoric on the Internet today , yet so easily convinced by the AGW denialist nonsense on the Internet?
2. If the US surgeon general was accepted so unquestioningly 50 years ago, why do so many people still smoke today?
3. What does smoking have to do with climate change?
4. Wasn’t it the US surgeon general who told Californians to be prepared for harmful radiation coming from Japan to the point that there was a run on iodine tablets?
Where you one of those Americans who taped up their houses and stock-piled iodine tablets waiting for the end, eating sea-kelp and rosemary? “You’d have to be a fool not to see it coming, to not be prepared”…