There’s an extraordinary admission about solar activity and cold winters in the UK from the Met Office in an article in FT Magazine.
It is as if the blinders have been removed.
The relevant passage is below from the much larger article.
“We now believe that [the solar cycle] accounts for 50 per cent of the variability from year to year,” says Scaife. With solar physicists predicting a long-term reduction in the intensity of the solar cycle – and possibly its complete disappearance for a few decades, as happened during the so-called Maunder Minimum from 1645 to 1715 – this could be an ominous signal for icy winters ahead, despite global warming.
Read the article – http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/35145bee-9d38-11e0-997d-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1RacNghPj
h/t to WUWT reader “Lord Beaverbrook”
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it will be interesting to see how many,
“well its going to be colder”..items
that are going to be gobble de gooked into inanity.
tell the truth but try not to?
Almost, but not quite, a firm grasp of the obvious. I guess they still needed a tip to the Warmers while covering their collective butts and recognizing that it is cooling and predicted to get colder.
The deep irony for me is that a global cooling will lead to real strife and competition for resources, particularly food — precisely what the AGW crowed warned us about if global warming was not halted.
Ah, but just you wait until this minimum is past. Then you’ll all roast in hell, you heretics.
“this could be an ominous signal for icy winters ahead, despite global warming.”
Is this sentance oxymoronic or just moronic?
The sentance ignores that we will also have colder seasons generally.
Calling it “the so-called Maunder Minimum” is odd. Are they implying that this terminology is incorrect? Also I think that they mean to say: this could be an ominous signal for icy winters ahead, despite the expected increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide. Even the statement of “50 per cent of the variability from year to year” is somewhat misleading since increased carbon dioxide is usually predicted to uniformly increase temperature and not produce variability. I think that the choice of words betrays prior assumptions.
The rats are leaving the sinking SS AGW.
They’re embarking on a “god of the gaps” argument, which goes like this;
CS “CO2 is the sole driver of climate change.”
SA “What about sunspots?”
CS “Ok, sunspots have a small effect, but the rest is CO2.”
SA “What about changes in albedo,… and clouds?”
CS “OK, sunspots, and albedo and clouds all play their part, but the rest is CO2.”
SA ” What about irrigation? And the ozone layer? And cities?”
CS ” Yes, sunspots and albedo and clouds and irrigation and the ozone layer and cities all have their effects, but the rest is CO2.”
As the issue regarding AGW is entirely political, expect the Met Office to lighten up on long range predictions but continue to forecast “terrible consequences for all mankind” this time next century due to Global Boiling from Too Much Co2. (After all, who ‘disprove’ a prediction?;-) Also expect that they will focus on what they call “Short Term Climate” (2011-2021, 2021-2031, etc) and try, try, try to get it right, right, right for Queen and Country. (They know full well their butts are on the chopping block and they do so want to prove they can do something correctly.) Science is after all just a whore out to support her pimp. All part and parcel for the oldest profession.
“We now believe that [the solar cycle] accounts for 50 per cent of the variability from year to year,” says Scaife.
And that is clearly nonsense, so they are no better at it invoking solar cycles.
I wish the idiots still believing in man made global warming would read this…
I also predict global cooling ahead:
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/ooops-global-cooling-is-coming
The graphs looks very much like a suncycles to me…..
The ship is sinking fast, so who is going to jump off first? The Met are leading the charge so as not to get swamped in the rush.
Delighted to see the Met.Office taking note of the sun and PDO
I wonder if they will revise their forcast that half of the years in this decade will be hotter than the warmest year recorded to date (i.e. The El Nino year 1998)
Well Crap… I don’t want to… But… Now I hope we have dry winters, just to further make the MET look like idiots!
Once again, we see the “experts” being a few decades behind the skeptics.
You mean that big ball of fire in the sky may have something to do with our temps?!?!?!?! Go on, you’re pulling my leg!
So, after years of maintaining that solar activity has only a minimal effect on climate, AGW protagonists are now expounding the theory that future cooling, if it occurs, will be the result of, wait for it, reduced solar activity.
That merits a rousing three cheers in my book. All together now :
Hyp! Hyp! Hyp-ocrisy!
It is as if the blinders have been removed.
I don’t know about the Met Office but the “blinders” have been removed from someof the leading aGW proponents for a number of years. This paper from 2001 (nearly 10 years ago) was co-authoured by Michael Mann and Gavin Schmidt
I think here’s a tendency for both sides to build ‘strawman’ arguments and to misrepresent what the other is actually saying. I can’t ever recall the AGW side saying the sun doesn’t have an influence. In fact I think they’ve over-estimated the early 20th century solar influence
Or, as has been said by some, and pertaining to Nic Lewis’s posts, the sensitivity is probably less then 3* C for a doubling of CO2.
FRom Argentina
http://www.infobae.com/notas/589069-Sera-el-invierno-mas-frio-de-la-ultima-decada-y-volveria-a-nevar-en-Capital.html
From the linked article:
The Met Office must have been rather dreadful even back then. It was quite some time ago, but I seem to recall our local meteorologists here in Pennsylvania could make reasonably dependable forecasts for at least the next two or three days. Isn’t the Met Office supposed to do forecasts for shipping? I would think shipping companies and ship owners would have wanted something better than “Tomorrow is likely a good day to leave port!”
Uh-oh, this doesn’t sound good (bold added):
Wow, high-tech “Greenery,” using plastic curtains to minimize the area needing the extra-pricey cooling. And their big iron already needs upgrading?
Compare that to what the US Air Force accomplished (Dec 2010 article):
http://defensesystems.com/articles/2010/12/14/condor-cluster-spreads-its-wings.aspx
Was also mentioned here on WUWT.
Faster, Greener, at a fraction of the cost. The US Air Force, with their share of the enormous US Defense budget, decided to be frugal and wisely selected “the most bang for the buck” they could get. The Met Office is planning on upgrading a £33m machine installed just two years ago. What is their problem? Too many broken CFL’s in a confined air-conditioned space?
AGW “logic”
1) A decrease in Solar Activity is a forcing which will result in a decrease in global temps
2) There are no forcings that can account for the “observed” increase in global temps other than CO2
In Law, this could be called arguing in the alternative . . .
In Science, it is just plain stupid
Implied but not stated is that if solar is responsible for so much variability — not just annually, but over the centuries, as suggested by the Maunder Minimum/Little Ice Age quote — then empirically, greenhouse gas warming must be lower than thought and lower than in the models. The climate sensitivity — the temperature increase due to a doubling of CO2 — must be less. Certainly not zero, but probably in the 1 to 1.5 degree range, as suggested by people like Richard Lindzen, who recently was elevated from “denier” to “dissenter” by the mainstream media, as more of the IPCC BS comes to light.
The earth has been warming since the LIA. Thus “global warming”. The problem comes when climate scientists (high priests) forget about (erase) the LIA and blame the warming on CO2 (the evil eye) and demand carbon trading (indulgences) to pay (sacrifice) for our actions (sins).
AGW is nothing new. It has cropped up time and time again. Each time the people believe they have found truth, and when we look back on them through the eyes of history we wounder how they could have been so deceived. The thought that through sacrifice humans can control nature and the future. Many religious sects practice similar beliefs around the world even today. Given unto god and god will give unto you.
Someone at the Met Office will be dragged over the burning coal for this…
Speaking of reduced solar activity, solar feed-in, ‘reshiftable energy’ fans are in for more disappointing news, as if real scientific data isn’t bad enough-
http://htpc.avenard.org/power/home
Shucks! There’s always some pre-normal science tech-head that has the evidence to demolish wishful thinking and vivid imaginations.
Since Team Science loves modelling the future so much, let me help out with modelling their beloved solar nirvana of 100% efficiency (well they do like their advocacy consensus). Currently these solar systems are around 15% efficient at converting what sun’s rays there are hitting them into electricity. (Sanyo brag world’s best at 18% out of the inverter) So divide 100 by 15 to get 6.67 which is the factor you can then multiply those extremely volatile output peaks and troughs by, in order to model their Green Utopia. Sorry Team but zero times 6.67 is still zero in the peer reviewed calculators and a teensy weensy output times 6.67 is still just a little bit bigger teensy weensy output. True, big outputs times 6.67 are lots bigger outputs but that’s just more extreme volatility all those windmills, hot rocks and cow farts have to deal with in your brave new world of heroic assumptions. Yeah I know, I’ve completely discounted your battery-makers’ Paradise which proves I know a lot about Nothing just like here-
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/07/the-everything-tax-a-tin-pot-raffle-with-no-prize/
Hehe – this is how they start to retreat from GW. They cant yet bring themselves to admit they were badly wrong. I’ve noticed even the BBC have stopped blaming GW for every weather related piece of news.