Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
A judge has ordered the University of Virginia to release Professor Michael Mann’s emails pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. Mann is the climatologist who developed of the “Hockeystick” graph, which became the icon of the IPCC climate alarmism … until it was shown to be what Dr. Richard Muller of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature [BEST] project called “an artifact of bad mathematics”. Mann claimed that the ring widths of a few trees in the US Southwest somehow revealed the temperature history of the planet. Seems extremely doubtful. Mann also features in the Climategate scandal as (inter alia) the scientist who (at a minimum) forwarded a request to illegally destroy emails that showed Mann and other scientists conspiring to subvert the IPCC process.
Me, I’m opposed to going the legal route to solve scientific problems. I’d like to think that scientific disputes could be settled between scientists. I have a very deep aversion to what in my childhood was known as “calling the law on a man.” I grew up in the old tradition of the American West, which held (and for me still holds) that calling the law should be the last resort, when all other methods have failed.
However, in this case, all other methods have failed. Professor Mann is famous for saying that asking him to reveal his data is “intimidation”. Even a Congressional committee hardly dented him. And the climate science community is famous for never, ever, ever saying anything negative about another climate scientist. Bad form to speak ill of someone’s work or actions, don’cha know, they might return the favor. And given those two facts, I fear that the legal route is the only one open for those who want to find out what Mann did while on the Virginia taxpayers’ dime. However, taking this route immediately raised a veritable poolpah of claims that this is invading Mann’s privacy, or that it is treading on Mann’s intellectual rights, or inimical to his scientific freedom, or other claims along those lines.
For me, the issue in this case is very simple. It is generally spelled out in the Employee’s Manual of almost any large organization, institution, or business. It says that while you are working for your employer, your time is not your own. What you write is not your own. What you produce is not your own. What you patent is not your own. What you email is not your own. What you discover is not your own. None of what you produce on company time belongs to you.
It belongs to whoever is paying you. Period. It’s that way for the majority of employees of virtually every large concern, and has been for many years.
So all of the squawking about “privacy” and “intellectual rights” and “private emails” is nonsense. If Michael Mann wants his emails to be private, he should be self-employed. If he works for a business, those emails are the property of the business. And if he works for the taxpayer, if the taxpayer is funding his work, then nothing done on “company time”, none of his work and none of his emails and none of his data or his computer code, are “private” or “personal” or “his intellectual property”. They are, as the court ordered, subject to Freedom of Information Act requests.
Mann, however, has found a curious ally in this fight, as reported in the “Old Virginia Watchdog“, which says:
ATI [the organization that brought the suit] hailed the decision as a victory for transparency, but there are concerns in the academic world that such measures could threaten the scientific community.
The faculty at UVA issued a statement the day of the ruling to that effect. Mann also has found an unlikely ally in University of California Berkeley physicist Richard A. Muller, who famously denounced the hockey stick graph as “an artifact of poor mathematics.”
“We need some degree of privacy,” Muller said Thursday in an exclusive interview with Old Dominion Watchdog. “Scientists alone should decide how and what to publish in their results, looking at private files in a public setting is an unfair standard.”
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Dr. Muller. If this was Court TV, I’d expect the lawyer to say “Assumes facts not in evidence”.
Who said anything about whether or not scientists should “decide how and what to publish”? As far as I know, no one has told Mann, or threatened to tell him, what or when to publish. Dr. Muller is falsely casting the issue as one of “prior restraint on publication”. He is wrongly claiming that someone is trying to decide what Mann can publish, which is a very serious charge with First Amendment implications.
Where is the evidence for that, for prior restraint? The FOIA request is nothing of the sort. It is a request for emails from six years ago and older. How Dr. Muller got from a request for six-year-old emails, to his claim of prior restraint or conditions on publication, is difficult to understand without drawing perhaps unwarranted conclusions.
The article continues:
Muller said he believes that public oversight could interfere with the scientific process and sees the FOIA request as an “indirect attempt to shut down Mann’s scientific work.”
If Mann ever gets around to actually doing some scientific work, as opposed to churning out endless attempts to justify his “artifact of bad mathematics”, I suppose that someone might try to shut him down. But that’s just a fantasy about an improbable future.
More to the point, again Muller is spinning this as being about the future, when it is about the past. People want and have a right to know exactly what transpired between Mann and his partners in “crimate” (the intersection of climate and crime). It’s not about trying to shut down Mann’s future work. The Climategate emails pulled back the curtain on a host of very ugly, anti-scientific, and possibly criminal actions. Mann was shown to be up to his neck in them, and the taxpayers have a right to know just what he did and didn’t do while they were paying his salary. Has nothing to do with an “indirect attempt” to do anything. We want to know what he did.
“I may disagree with his scientific analysis, but I object to him coming under public inquiry,” [Muller] said, invoking Voltaire.
Voltaire is famous for saying (but it seems never actually said)
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire didn’t mention public scrutiny, however. Nor did Voltaire mention trying to evade responsibility. Mann’s work is one of the cornerstones of the AGW movement, which aims to restructure the economy of the entire planet … and Dr. Muller doesn’t think that every aspect of Mann’s work that was paid for by the taxpayer should receive the closest scrutiny possible? Why is that?
I do not know why Muller doesn’t want people to look into Mann’s past, but he’s definitely concerned about it. Perhaps he is concerned that people might look into his own past actions, I don’t know. Maybe it’s just paranoia, the university variant of the fear of the MIB coming to spy on them. Whatever it is, it is important enough for Muller to invent a claim that the issue is prior restraint, which is very odd regarding a request for old emails. In any case, the article continues:
Muller said he is glad the emails came to light, but feels the “ends — snooping in on private conversations — do not justify the means.”
What is it with these guys and their idea of “it’s mine, mine, mine, you can’t see it!”. Those are NOT PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS, Dr. Muller. They are part of the work product of Dr. Mann’s paid employment. They are the property of the University of Virginia, they were paid for by the Virginia taxpayer, and (as the Court has ruled) they are subject to inspection by private citizens. Why is that so hard to grasp? Heck, I can paraphrase Voltaire myself, try this:
“I may disagree with Mann’s scientific analysis, but I will defend to the death the public’s right to see what he has done.”
The article goes on to say:
ATI’s request is separate from the investigation launched last year by Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, who battled the university for similar documents in 2010 in the hopes of prosecuting Mann.
As I said above, I don’t like the legal route, particularly the Cuccinelli route. But the other so-called scientific safeguards have failed, leaving little option.
Muller stands by his rival even more stridently in that case.
“A public reprimand is unnecessary,” he said. “Their reputations in the science community have already suffered; that is the most appropriate punishment.”
That is patent nonsense. Mann is still feted and lauded, his papers are still accepted without the kind of suspicion appropriate to his past deceptions. Phil Jones is still churning along in his job. Trenberth is agitating to try to reverse the null hypothesis. The idea that the reputations of Mann and the other the Climategate conspirators have suffered is absolutely untrue.
But even if their reputations had suffered, Mann and the Climategaters are still leading the charge to impoverish the world and restructure the global economy, and Dr. Muller wants to make the claim that Mann should not face responsibility for his (perhaps criminal) actions because his reputation has supposedly suffered?
My goodness, a suffering reputation. Does it hurt a lot when that happens? Those university professors must be the real sensitive types. See, outside the ivy halls when someone does the things that Mann and the Climategate folks did, they can’t just whine “I’m an oppressed scientist and my reputation hurts already!” and expect to walk away scot free.
Beyond the ivory tower, people who deceive and subvert and collude end up hurting in more than their reputations. So I fear that Dr. Muller’s elitist claim, that the most appropriate punishment is to spank them across their academic reputations (and besides they’ve already been spanked enough), just reveals how truly distant the mainstream climate scientists are from the real world.
Mann and the other Climategate participants have never taken responsibility, much less apologized, for their actions. They have stage-managed the so-called “Investigations” so well that nothing at all was investigated. Yes, the investigation found nothing in Mann’s emails … because the investigators didn’t even look at the emails. In addition, not only did Mann never answer the important questions about the emails, he was never even asked about the emails. That’s not an investigation, that’s a joke.
And now Dr. Muller wants us to just forget about it and move on, because he thinks that the poor scientist babbies have suffered enough …
Suffered enough? They haven’t suffered at all, Dr. Muller. So far they have denied responsibility entirely. They have skated completely, to the applause of their co-conspirators and well-wishers, and go around proclaiming their innocence. And Dr. Muller, now you want to pat them on the head and say poor oppressed scientists, your reputations have suffered enough, go and sin no more?
I’m sorry, that’s not going to happen.
Given what we know, that Mann and others stand convicted by their own words for some actions spelled out in the Climategate emails, and that there is very strong circumstantial evidence of him and the others having done a variety of other unethical or perhaps illegal things, the reputations of Mann and the rest of the Climategate crowd have not suffered nearly enough. In this Climategate list I include any actual criminals, as well as the lesser malfeasants, corrupters, and data manipulators; those who looked the other way as others manipulated the IPCC results; those who aided and abetted them to do things like pack the peer review panels and intimidate editors; those who conducted sham “investigations” and covered up the egregious actions; and those who merely cheered them on in their dirty fight.
If this had happened in a business setting, where their loss in reputation would truly be commensurate with their actions, after the things that they have done few of the whole crew would be either employed or employable.
w.

Peat, I am an educator. In this day and age of budget cuts, the public needs an accounting of time and money spent working on work we pay for, no matter when or where it is done, and regardless of the end product. It is no longer acceptable to just look at outcomes. Budget constraints demand we scrutinize how we got there. Top notch performing schools are facing budget cuts, outcome be damned.
Word to the wise.
As I recall, when I worked for the Federal Government all finished products were subject to FOIA but not necessarily internal working documents such as drafts leading up to that document. This situation may be different but I recall some FOIA requests being denied on that basis. All my emails were however archived and were not my personal property. They did belong to my employer.
It’s not FOIA that threatens to interfere with the scientific process. It’s government funding that already does. Privatize science and the scientist can have rights to his own work without giving offense to the tax payer. Privatize science and you don’t have an entire field of research co-opted into the service of a global campaign to increase government power. These problems only exist because the money that funds the ivory tower research is forcibly taken from the productive class and allocated to its purpose by bureaucratic parasites. With the possible exception of defense, there is absolutely no reason why the government needs to be involved in funding scientific research at all.
Right on , Willis! Mann is
WUWT Readers:
The WUWT web site is being flakey this morning and is not indicating to me that my comments have been transmitted and are in moderation.
As a result, multiple versions of the same response are now appearing as I have reentered and retransmitted them.
The latest version of a response is the one I like most.
But regardless of my own preferences, pick any version you like ……
Right on, Willis! I wonder — didn’t Mann have a personal computer in his home where he could send e-mails that would be private and not subject to release by his employer who was subject to revelations as required by the FOIA law? Or did Mann assume he could misuse his employer’s premises and facilities for his own personal ends without suffering the consequences?
As a graduate in engineering from UVA, I have been appalled at the double standard applied to Mann vs. Michaels and the resources being applied to stonewall the FOIAs. And what is in those e-mails that would stifle academic freedom? Unless there is some smoking gun, I can’t think of what it would be. And Mr. Schnare of ATI is right on track with his approach to being “agnostic” about the results. We cannot afford to treat Mann in the same manner as he has treated us, we need to be above board and honest.
Scott Brim says:
July 2, 2011 at 11:46 pm
Why is that the “only relevant question”? Why are you claiming that a question like “Did you destroy emails” is out-of-bounds, because it has nothing to do with whether he “fulfilled his obligations to the university”? How does that make the question not relevant?
There are lots of questions, very relevant questions, that Michael Mann needs to answer, and most of them don’t have to do with his “obligations to the university”. They have to do with the legality, morality, and scientific honesty of his actions.
w.
Regarding separation of work versus private e-mails…
I sometimes get personal correspondence on my work e-mail, and I tell people when to send those e-mails instead to my personal e-mail account. And for websites that need an e-mail address, I always use my personal account. I very much try to keep my work e-mail 99% about the work I do, and would not have a problem if someone in an official capacity wanted to review my e-mails.
dougsherman says:
July 2, 2011 at 11:56 pm
I guess it’s a good thing you’re not the blog owner, then.
Yes, I much prefer to write about science. But as they say, for evil to succeed it is only necessary for good men to do nothing. And in the climate science field, the bad guys are counting on people like you, Doug, guys who advise doing nothing.
Since there’s not a whole lot I can do on some subjects, I am reduced to writing passionately about them.
But I’ll be damned if I’ll take your advice and sit quiet and say nothing when I see egregious attempts by people to falsely use science to further their own destructive ends … if you want to stay schtumm about that kind of action, that’s your choice.
Me, I’ll continue to rage, rage against the passing of the light.
w.
J Storrs Hall says:
July 3, 2011 at 4:03 am
Indeed, far superior, I yield to the master.
w.
fredb says:
July 3, 2011 at 4:14 am
You have put your finger on the problem, which is that the climate science community has totally abdicated its responsibility to clean up its own back yard.
As a result, people like myself have had to pitch in to work on getting it cleaned up. This, of course, can be described as “vigilantism” … because it is vigilantism, that’s all that’s left when the authorities walk away from their duties.
I don’t like it any better than you do, fred … but since the alternative to vigilatism at the moment seems to be chaos and total control by the AGW alarmists, I’m not sure what you are suggesting we do.
w.
scp says:
July 3, 2011 at 8:21 am
Well said and very correct government funded research is easily corruptible buy the fact that the agency granting the money decides all.
Scott Brim says:
July 3, 2011 at 7:58 am
This has nothing to do with his employment with UVA it has to do with how he spent state and federal money his contract with his employer is meaningless. If he conspired to use federal or state funds inappropriately then that has nothing to do with where he works or any contract he signed with said employer.
Willis, my response to your latest comments is contained in the post up above dated July 3, 2011 at 7:58 am. It’s the one just below Slabadang’s YouTube link. If you have further issues with what I’ve said in that response. I will be happy to address them.
R. Gates says:
July 3, 2011 at 5:30 am
R. Gates, since charming folks like yourself have prevented Mann and the others from facing the actual prosecutor, I’m putting out my point of view about it.
Don’t like it? So sue me. It’s all just part of your unending campaign to let the Climategate criminals and miscreants just walk out the door.
And the idea that I, with no power but my words, am the same as a “King of old” who could order a fool like you executed “pour encourager les autres” is so ludicrous as to serve as a shining example of your lack of logic.
R. Gates, do you realize how stupid that kind of thing makes you sound, claiming that I’m exactly like some ancient king with the power of life and death? That’s your argument? That’s the reason that UVA should hide Mann’s emails, because I’m “exactly” like some fantasized tyrant?
And do you realize that trying to make a living by insisting that the Climategate folks are totally innocent and pure as the driven snow just makes it obvious that you’re not interested following the story, you’re just their bumboy carrying their water? Doesn’t that kind of grate on you sometimes?
Go play somewhere else, your inanities were funny for a while but the King is getting bored …
w.
PS – I didn’t say I should be “judge, jury, and executioner”. Your reading abilities are as bad as your reasoning skills.
I said that because of what we know he has done, along with what we have good reason to think he has done, that I think he has so far avoided justice for his actions. That is a very far cry from your specious and false interpretation of what I had said.
peat says:
July 3, 2011 at 7:00 am
Thanks, peat. I’m glad you judge professors on outcomes and results. Since Mann has produced neither, yet continues to enjoy his high position, I can only wish his superiors felt the same way.
And if you write “professional and personal emails” from the same account, you might profitably take this incident as a hint …
w.
David Schnare says:
July 3, 2011 at 7:42 am
Thank you very much, Mr. Schnare. Seems to me that you are on the right track.
Willis:
I would respectfully agree were these political animals you call “scientists” actually such, but they aren’t, Willis. They’re “climate scientists” (“climsci” for short) and most leave the ethical realm of true science in the dust and they do so without any qualms whatsoever. Many of their actions aren’t an abuse of science, but an abuse of lawful principles impacting taxpayers and defenseless citizens.
When they overstep ethical behavior and legal boundaries and set themselves up a cozy “pseudocracy” to protect themselves in such egregious behavior, the law becomes their foe and in many cases the only remedy. I’m not saying every scientific avenue shouldn’t be pursued to their logical ends–I applaud it vigorously as a scientist myself. But these “climsci” people have no conscience and abuse every standard of civilized behavior they can think of. Maybe some jail time will fracture and reset their perception of reality and open their eyes to ethical behavior. If not, at least it might be a warning to their “climsci” comrades.
David Schnare says:
July 3, 2011 at 7:42 am
Many thanks for the update, David. Thanks also for your agnostic position in all of this, and the work you’ve done to bring the issue this far.
Congratulations,
w.
Well said Willis! I find it amazing that a publicly paid employee’s work is being used to develop policy that has real effect on everyone’s lives. More so, that transparency on all the attending exchanges of fact and data seems to be such a bone of contention. Baffling…..
Willis narfles the garthok again!
As a state government employee I am constantly made aware of the transparency of my work products. There are some things that can be held such as personal information of inside and outside people as well as legal opinions I seek and review regarding work I do. Outside of these very limited exceptions everything I do at work is subject to public review.
This sometimes creates a burden for staff, but it is, I believe, a necessary one to prevent government from becoming arbitrary and secretive in its deliberation and decision processes.
What I find laughable about the UVA case is that FOI laws were trumpeted by the left and environmentalists when they were on the outside and now that they are the establishment, FOI laws have become an invasion of their privacy and an obstacle to (their) scientific free expression.
Heck, they wrote these laws! Perhaps they never dreamed just how successful they would become. Otherwise I suspect they would have built in special exceptions just for them.
It is nice to see them hoist by their own petard.
peat wrote: We judge professors on outcomes rather than on how long or how hard they work. No one keeps track of or (for the most part) even cares how many hours someone puts in — just results matter in both research and teaching performance.
peat, it might be time for you to review your university’s IT Policy and Intellectual Property Policy, especially if you have not reviewed them recently. Mostly likely, the IT policy contains warnings about non-privacy and prohibitions on misuse (misbehavior dishonor the university, among other stuff), and the IP policy requires a strong record detailing when you work independently of your university obligations in case you try to patent or copyright your work (as in the famous case of Caltech and Stephen Wolfram, which went to court.)
Your comments are beside the point here.
the only temp that is rising is this body temp
Willis Eschenbach says:
July 3, 2011 at 9:04 am
Willis, here’s something interesting that I discovered this morning. I post here as Doug S but my name is actually Doug Sherman. This post by dougsherman that you responded to is not mine and it’s the first time I’ve seen the handle dougsherman used here on WUWT. Perhaps this is coincidence but my suspicious nature leads me to believe otherwise. A few days ago I put up a couple of posts on Keith Kloor’s “Collide-a-scape”. My posts were critical of this scientific fraud we commonly refer to as “CAGW”. It crossed my mind at the time that providing my name and email address to their system as a requirement to post may not be a great idea. Sure enough and not to disappoint, this sham post by dougsherman pops up over here at WUWT. If there is actually another dougsherman out there then I’ll wipe the egg of my face, have a beer and go back to a great 4th of July weekend.
Having said all that, it’s critically important for all of us to keep the heat on these misguided CAGW religious believers. I appreciate all the time and effort you, Anthony and all of the other contributors spend writing articles and posting data. A free and open exchange of data and analysis is the anecdote needed to counteract this religious movement. I support any and all efforts to get at the TRUTH and pursuing legal action is completely appropriate where taxpayer funds are involved. Keep up the good work Willis, our children and grand children depend on us to set science back on the right track. Have a good and relaxing 4th of July!