Readers will recall that I launched a volley against former Senator Tim Wirth regarding his recent statement where he wants to “come after” skeptics. I also made him a standing offer to attend the upcoming ICCC6 conference, offering up my 15 minutes to him to address the conference. You can read that essay Bring it, Mr. Wirth – a challenge here.
This morning, doing some web searching to see if the challenge had been picked up elsewhere, I ran across this gobsmacking quote from Wirth in 1993. It was then that I realized that the former Senator is mentally incapable of addressing the issue of global warming on a factual level, and there would never be a response to my challenge and offer.
“We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing, in terms of economic policy and environmental policy. ” – Timothy Wirth quoted in Science Under Siege by Michael Fumento, 1993
That’s true religion. Wirth’s quote makes Dr. Phil Jones look almost reasonable by comparison.
When asked by Warwick Hughes for this data, Dr. Jones famously replied:
Even if WMO agrees, I will still not pass on the data. We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.
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Pepper,
5 other lines of evidence ? really, how about a link … because along with your “thousands of peer reviewed papers” claim I am inclinded to call BS on those claims … you don’t get to make unsupported claims … in polite circles you would be accused of making stuff up, or lying in less polite circles …
This quote always gobsmacked me:
“Even if WMO agrees, I will still not pass on the data. We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.”
Dr. Jones
Isn’t the whole purpose of peer review, “to find something wrong with it”?
Isn’t the whole purpose of the scientific method itself, “to find something wrong with it”?
No wonder these guys only permit their work to be reviewed by people who already agree with them.
starzmom says:
June 26, 2011 at 9:47 am
I am embarrassed that I share a name with him.
I’m embarrased that I’m the same species.
Curious Canuck says:
June 26, 2011 at 11:12 am
Sounds a lot like “No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits…climate change provides the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
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What was it Rahm said? “Never let a crisis go to waste.”
Hugh Pepper: The “five lines” have been addressed at this site a few times and they all seem to come back to a common upside down use of one set of contaminated (by recent development – the words of those who collected it) lake sediment sample or one tree. We have seen that the reason for all the obfuscation over source data is because the data that gives the “correct” response is highly suspect and those who published on it KNOW that it is suspect data.
It all still looks like natural variability to me (which is now and will forever be the null hypothesis). Until someone shows me actual unmanipulated temperature data from properly cited and maintained instruments that show otherwise, that will continue to be my position. (By the way, what sense does it make to anyone that the correct UHI adjustment for a site’s temperature record is to increase the recorded temperature? If one was to “correct for” an upward bias, wouldn’t one decrease from the recorded temperature to remove the apparent bias?)
I am not sure who mentioned the replication issue, but universities really need to look at the concept of confirmation publication as a tenure item. There is a serious need to review and critique published information. The publication of a finding really should be the start of the discussion, not the end of it. The first attempt to confirm general relativity erroneously found no deflection of the star field. If that had been allowed to stand, there would be many physicists out trying to find other explanations for the force of gravity, and all our GPS units would be off by several hundred meters. Subsequent measurements found exactly the predicted deflection of the star field. I still haven’t heard a good explanation to account for what went wrong on the initial photograph, the measurements themselves look to have been done correctly so there must have been something wrong with the setup of the telescope that took the picture.
There is a definite need to replicate others work to catch unworkable items. Off the top of my head I remember great headlines about “room temperature fusion”. Only no one has been able to replicate the effect using the described apparatus. They may have made correct measurements, but they didn’t describe the apparatus correctly if they did. There have been a few other much ballyhooed “discoveries” that have been totally irreplicable because of made up data. Fortunately none of those items required the west to deindustrialize in order to “save the world”.
I’m ashamed to say that in my naive youth I actually voted for Tim Wirth.
At least I’m willing to admit my mistake, unlike Wirth and Jones (and Gore).
Brian H – (27th 3:24 am)
I found this page from a link to Chapter 7 on the JoNova site discussion on Keynes: http://www.keynesatharvard.org/book/KeynesatHarvard-ch08.html Socialism – A Pseudo Science
Besides the connecting up the dots to the Fabians, it touches on an aspect I hadn’t known about Socialism, that it began as a claim to be scientific. The parallels with AGW is uncanny; the same excuse for the failed science to be replaced with ‘faith’ among the hierarchy which understood its failure while maintaining the ‘scientific base’ for the oiks, the same skullduggery in presenting itself as the solution with accompanying callous disregard for those who stand in its way, with the same excuses that extermination doesn’t really mean extermination.. The author notes re something Keynes said – “However, his use of such a term reflects a morbid political attitude.”
Keynes at Harvard by Zygmund Dobbs
afraid4me – in my youth I voted for Maggie… I was so shocked when her policies began to unfold, not the policies, though they were shocking enough, but how ignorant about politics I had been when I cast my vote – the power of advertising.
A good article posted on the JoNova discussion on Keynes – full circle to the Fabians and more connecting the dots to the attacks on individual business enterprise by imposition of rules and regs such as is rampant now in California and the creation of punitive taxations through taking central control.
Such as being achieved through the AGW campaign, the leaders into this direction at the beginning and now manage very well to profit by their inside knowledge enriching their own lives while demanding reduced quality of life for the masses.
All being achieved through the founding principles of Fabianism. The use of deceit and subterfuge as their method of choice to their ultimate goal of imposing central control of individuals in every aspect of their lives themselves excluded, such as in Julia Gillard actions and Wirthless here. And, no wonder the proliferation of those proclaiming themselves ‘skeptics’ at the same time as pushing the science fiction memes of AGW, so dumbing down the population through education, while accompanied by the same call to restrictions of individual liberties or acceptability of higher green taxes by promoting the idea that some solution or other comes from their concerned and considered opinion that agreeing to x of the AGW demands will stop the rot of complete AGW takeover or be in some way good for the environment even if carbon dioxide isn’t a problem..
“It is significant that after spending all their lives using their undoubted creative abilities to destroy the faith of million of people in traditional values and institutions, both Shaw and Wells became increasingly pessimistic about the future of man.”
..created in their own image..
http://www.alor.org/Library/FabianSocialistContributiontotheCommunistAdvance.htm
The links posted come from the discussion here: http://joannenova.com.au/2011/06/keynes-versus-hayek-big-government-versus-individual-rights
Wirth Reminds me of “Captain Red Legs” on “The Outlaw Josey Wales”: “Doing right aint got no end”. Beware the zealot.