Quote of the Week – a climate sanity plea from the Daily Kos

NikFromNYC said: “Today I discovered a creepy doppelganger site, in which AGW enthusiasts snicker about posts here amongst themselves on a WUWT mirror site instead of actually posting here.”
” http://wottsupwiththat.com ”
The thing I noticed most is that often the guy can’t put 1,000 words together that make sense when 100 would do if he added logic. And his blind faith in Joe Romm doesn’t help his case. For example, his claim that Romm’s old posts would reappear after the redesign failed to mention when or whether they have reappeared yet or not. There seems to be no way to find them. A Catholic is more likely to check what a priest says than the CAGW faithful are to check “the wisdom.”.

Just out of curiosity, is it possible to find a left wing blog comment that does not include the F-bomb? Anywhere? Anytime? It seems like progressive politics are mimicking the Children’s Crusade.

Oh man. I think he just won P.J. Gladnik’s Golden Kewpie Doll of the Year Award for Persistent Mental Clarity.
(If you don’t know who that is, search on “Dummie Funnies” and see for yourself. He generally focuses his wit on Democratic Underground but will occassionally delve into ridicule of DKos as well.)

Re: pedal power.
Why not go back to beasts of burden as water motors. Use them to pump water uphill, then release said water to generate electricity. Not only do we get green energy, but we can also collect the brown energy for our gardens!

Wow even TIME has published the sun story! I’m amazed the solar post has been demoted so quickly while MSM stories keep creeping in the cybershere!
http://techland.time.com/2011/06/15/claim-sunspots-to-disappear-global-cooling-may-ensue/

This is a very good time for everyone to take the perspective of scientific method and reflect on what we know about the Maunder Minimum and about manmade CO2. It seems to me that the scientists who are offering information about this sun cycle and the possibility of a new Maunder Minimum are doing so with cool heads and practicing good science. They tell us what information they need to collect, they have a wait and see attitude, and they are clear that we might know very little by way of new science for at least a decade. They are very clear that it might be decades before the science becomes definitive regarding this matter. Contrast this behavior with that of the Warmista.
Take Al Gore as the extreme example. He used the Hockey Stick and many other dubious items in an attempt to create a fear among the citizenry that would compel the government to take painful actions to reduce energy consumption. Whether or not he said “The science is settled,” he argued that consensus science required that we act now. However, the simple truth is that there is no greater evidence for the claim that manmade CO2 is causing global warming than there is for the claim that a quiet sun will cause another Little Ice Age. The astrophysicists are interested in the science, not in a particular policy goal. The Warmista are exactly the opposite. They are pushing for a policy goal and using their dubious claims about the science in support of their policy effort. Take the case of Schmidt.
News reports yesterday related that Schmidt made the dogmatic claim that the sun’s behavior can affect Earth’s climate only at the margin. So what caused the Little Ice Age, someone might have asked. “Volcanoes,” said Schmidt. Of course, Schmidt has no evidence for any of this. His so-called “evidence” for the effects of the sun on Earth’s climate are simply his climate models. Compare how Schmidt and the astrophysicists address their models. The astrophysicists state the qualifications that are necessary for their science and make clear that they will know something very important in ten to seventy-five years. By contrast, Schmidt is dogmatic and categorical in claiming that no information about the sun could change his conclusions about global warming. Yet all Schmidt has are models and he should be as circumspect in basing claims on models as are the astrophysicists. Schmidt should say that in ten to seventy-five years, approximately, we might have some solid science, not models, that actually explains the causes of global warming.
So, we are blessed with an ongoing experiment in scientific method. We can watch Schmidt with his models and we can watch the astrophysicists with their models and see who is the better scientist, who better follows scientific method. My bet is that Schmidt will be forever stuck in his models while the astrophysicists will move quickly to replace models with physical hypotheses that are reasonably well-confirmed.

Revkin has a piece on it: http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/would-solar-lull-snuff-climate-action/ . He’s already contacted “other “scientists, who (surprise, surprise) express considerable skepticism.
“I’ve sent a query to a batch of solar physicists and other experts not involved with the three studies discussed at the meeting. There’s substantial skepticism in some quarters. In an initial reply this morning Douglas Biesecker, a scientist at the Space Weather Prediction Center of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, wrote: “I consider the strength of evidence to be anemic and the reasoning to be highly suspect.” He’s sending a more detailed analysis later. “

Regarding climate change – if it stops changing be very afraid.
Lake Osoyoos is already high and the summer melt isn’t even started.
Regarding Daily Kos – don’t shoot the messenger even when the messenger is more foolish than the message. Shoot the message, don’t miss.
Regarding the modern little ice age – it is a blip, not a trend. If it happens at all. When it is finished we will be right back here, climate wise. You can take that to the bank. It will give India some breathing time before the source of all things, water from the north, stops flowing. They need to act now. You cannot last long on glacier melt any more than you can live long drinking from a block of melting ice. A glacier is not a lake – it is more like a pond. A very cold pond, but when its gone, its gone. Could have been written by Jack Handy.
Pay attention to this: You are going to be harshly exposed to the reason the left quit talking about global warming and started beating the drum of climate change. It is still a bogus argument (see above regarding change) but that won’t slow them down. Because it is likely to get colder, now, more than ever, carbon based energy has to be phased out. You don’t want to come out of the MLIA (modern little ice age) with CO2 at >450ppm. That or some form of it is the new message. They won’t stop – you shouldn’t either.

Climate change sense from the Kos? Perhaps they better have a real look at climate change – For more than 55 million years, Ellesmere Island, in Canada’s high Arctic, remained in one place while the world around it changed. Fifty-five million years ago, verdant forests grew at 75° North latitude. These wetland forests, comprised of species now primarily found in China, grew on an alluvial plain where channels meandered back and forth and periodic floods buried stumps, logs, and leaves intact. Today the forests are preserved as coal seams that outcrop on the edges …of modern Ellesmere Island, where there are no forests, and the tallest vegetation grows less than 15 cm high. Large parts of the area are polar desert, subject to intensely cold and dark winters and minimal precipitation.
Now THAT’S climate change. From trees and wetlands in the high arctic to intense cold where vegetation can barely scratch out an existence even in summer. We’re barely 18,000 years from the last ice age and we darn well better show at least some warming. However, with the sun entering a quiet phase we’re all about to enter a scientific period of research and learning none of us alive have ever experienced. Personally speaking, I’m darn happy I’m working here in the oil sands ( also the entire areas has 100s of gas fields) and well have all the heat and lights whatever comes my way.
I’m also with Michael when he says cities and municipalities in North America – prepare to enhance your snow removal budgets. The past number of winters too many cities and municipalities across North America if not the northern hemisphere have badly underestimated winter weather when budgeting. In my opinion the quite sun IS making it’s presence known if intelligent people even bother to read this site they would have at least a heads up. Or is that asking too much?

BTW, I forgot to mention: Headline in Daily Mail Britain. Earth facing a mini-Ice Age ‘within ten years’ due to rare drop in sunspot activity. A decrease in global warming might result in the years after 2020, the approximate time when sunspots are expected to disappear for years, maybe even decades.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2003824/Earth-facing-mini-Ice-Age-years-rare-drop-sunspot-activity.html

Religion anyone?

Religion differs in this way – it is unflinchingly scripted, well documented, and they show their work. The source data can be found in any hotel room. Climate science is unflinchingly scripted, not well documented, and they don’t show their work. Both require a lot of faith.

Props to the Daily Kos guy. That’s using common sense. He’ll get bounced out of that forum, likely.

Is it me or do we have more trolls posting now that Romm no longer allows comments?