Jo Nova writes:
Prediction: Warming trend until year 2000, then very cold.


Visit Steven Goddard’s blog to read the full news story.
Their work fits in reasonably well with the Syun Akasofu graph posted here for the world to see:

Jo Nova writes:
Prediction: Warming trend until year 2000, then very cold.


Visit Steven Goddard’s blog to read the full news story.
Their work fits in reasonably well with the Syun Akasofu graph posted here for the world to see:

Dave Wendt says:
June 1, 2011 at 3:19 am
“Trees are great for chronology, mostly worthless for thermometry.”
Isn’t the case for this paper that the rings are being used as a calendar and the isotopic mix as a thermometer? In which case this is no different from ice cores, lake sediment and other proxies; and probably is their equal or better for the more recent past?
The flurry of posts from John Finn is because he has only just recovered and been able to start typing again after putting his hand into a pot of water that had been boiling – but he’d turned the heat off 30 seconds previously and it should have instantly dropped to room temperature. 😉
If people would start the stupid graphs at 1700, you can see the stair steps easier………..
Really a remarkable forecast! …”Those were the days my friend….” they lasted until progressive ideology and politics began to meddle in science.
What a mad, mad world!, where occident wants to become communist and the orient has chosen our rational and free way of life.
Izen,
The rapid warming after 1700 can’t be a UHI effect, because it cooled down after that. Next, you say:
“But what is the CAUSE of the warming from the LIA?”
That’s the question, isn’t it? But the answer can’t be CO2, because the industrial revolution began in the mid-1800’s. Here’s an answer from someone who knows more than you and me put together – doubled and squared:
Yes Sceptical, nothing like a little data:
http://rankexploits.com/musings/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Since20011.jpg
The sound of Briffa and Mann going under the bus.
So far, last 10 years don’t look like a terrible cold snap to me. In fact, where i live it has been unusually warm, and except for two last hella bitter winters no cooling is observed. More than that, subjectively the weather here has warmed significantly during 2000s, especially late spring and summer, despite global temps staying the same.
Here – eastern europe.
Oh drats. I forgot about the html tags. Oh well.
Me parents told me that last few years weather patterns resembles that of 60s and early 70s, except summers are hotter and subjectively drier a bit. Kinda makes me think about PDO…
Bob B:
At June 1, 2011 at 6:15 am you write and ask:
“A little off topic, but I would ask for help here. My sister is in the middle of a fight with a school principle who just had an eco-group do a school-wide presentation on global warming and told all the kids to reduce their carbon footprints and tell their parents to do so. I told my sister to tell the principle the school need to teach the kids critical thinking and some one needs to ask how much the mean global surface temperature will be reduced by their efforts? I told her to tell them it would be ZERO. But I am looking for someone who might have done some basic calcualtions to prove just that.”
The appropriate answer is to point out that the IPCC has admitted that nobody knows what the effect would be but it is probably zero.
Chapter 2 of the report by IPCC Working Group III the IPCC in the IPCC Third Assessment Report (TAR) says;
“Most generally, it is clear that mitigation scenarios and mitigation policies are strongly related to their baseline scenarios, but no systematic analysis has published on the relationship between mitigation and baseline scenarios.”
This statement is in the middle of the Chapter and is not included in the Chapter’s Conclusions. Failure to list this statement as a conclusion is strange because this statement is an admission that the assessed models do not provide useful predictions of effects of mitigation policies. How could the predictions be useful if the relationship between mitigation and baseline is not known?
Also, the only valid baseline scenario is an extrapolation from current trends. The effect of an assumed change from current practice cannot be known if there is no known systematic relationship between mitigation and baseline scenario. But each of the scenarios is a claimed effect of changes from current practice. So, the TAR itself says the scenarios are meaningless gobbledygook.
But then one needs to assess the underlying assumption of the cause of the putative warming which the mitigation scenarios are claimed to address.
The underlying assumption of the IPCC scenarios is that “committed warming” results from energy being stored in the oceans. This energy gets released to the atmosphere in later decades and induces the “committed warming”. So, the total warming increases at a higher than linear rate with time as both “committed warming” and ‘instant’ warming increase.
Therefore, initiation of a mitigation has no discernible effect for some time. The mitigation reduces the relatively small ‘instant’ warming and reduces the energy going into the storage in the oceans but does not alter the “committed warming”.
Then, as decades pass, the ‘instant’ warming continues to be reduced and – importantly – the reduced input to the store of energy in the oceans reduces the “committed warming” and so the mitigation becomes discernible.
However, this “committed warming” seems to have vanished (Trenberth says this is a “travesty”).
Section 10.7.1 titled ‘Climate Change Commitment to Year 2300 Based on AOGCMs’
in the Report from WG1 (i.e. the “science” Working Group) of the most recent IPCC Report (AR4) can be read at
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch10s10-7.html
It says:
“The multi-model average warming for all radiative forcing agents held constant at year 2000 (reported earlier for several of the models by Meehl et al., 2005c), is about 0.6°C for the period 2090 to 2099 relative to the 1980 to 1999 reference period. This is roughly the magnitude of warming simulated in the 20th century. Applying the same uncertainty assessment as for the SRES scenarios in Fig. 10.29 (–40 to +60%), the likely uncertainty range is 0.3°C to 0.9°C. Hansen et al. (2005a) calculate the current energy imbalance of the Earth to be 0.85 W m–2, implying that the unrealised global warming is about 0.6°C without any further increase in radiative forcing. The committed warming trend values show a rate of warming averaged over the first two decades of the 21st century of about 0.1°C per decade, due mainly to the slow response of the oceans. About twice as much warming (0.2°C per decade) would be expected if emissions are within the range of the SRES scenarios.”
So, the IPCC says “The committed warming trend values show a rate of warming averaged over the first two decades of the 21st century of about 0.1°C per decade”.
n.b. That is “committed warming” that will occur because of effects in the past.
And the effect of increase to atmospheric CO2 since 2000 is expected to double that rate of warming to “About twice as much warming (0.2°C per decade)”.
But there has NOT been a rise in global temperature of “0.2°C per decade” or of “0.1°C per decade” for the first of half of “the first two decades of the 21st century”. Indeed, there has been no discernible rise and probably a slight fall.
So, for the IPCC prediction to be true then the global temperature must rise by a staggering 0.4°C now and be sustained at that higher level for the next 10 years. This would be more than half the total rise over the previous century, and only a member of the cult of AGW could think this is a reasonable expectation.
Indeed, if one accepts the lower limit of the “uncertainty assessment” of “-40%” then the required immediate rise needed to be sustained for the next 10 years is at least an incredible 0.24°C.
And if the needed rise from now were linear it would need to increase global temperature by 0.8°C over the next 10 years (or at minimum by 0.46°C).
Nobody really thinks such rises are likely.
In summary, the claimed effects of ‘mitigation policies’ , ‘carbon footprints’, etc. are completely meaningless and should be disregarded. It is much better to look at the observed climate cycles and to see what range of climate effects they imply people should prepare for.
Richard
This prediction also fits with that of Professor Don Easterbrook, who (IMHO, correctly) identifies that big body of water just to the West of the US as the source of much of the world’s climate. Interesting to note that this prediction – and the one by Easterbrook – accurately predicted what we’re experiencing now – heating until ~2000, then cooling. Maybe these folks looking at the PDO and geologic records aren’t so batty? They certainly seem more accurate than the esteemed “Climate Scientists” in the CRU and other ivory towers…
“When she and Pandolfi project their curves into the future they show lower average temperatures from now through the mid-1980s”
How dare they use CURVES! Everyone knows climate only changes in straight lines that can be projected centuries into the future./ sarc
Oh I see – it’s the ‘NH winter cycle’ . Just checking the UAH record, though, I notice that the average 2010/11 winter period (Dec-Jan-Feb) temperatures were slightly higher than the mean 1981-2010 winter period. Brrr!
This statement shows the folly of averaging temperatures.
Avg: 34
Observations of 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 60 = Avg of 35
Even though you are below average 5 out of 6 times, you can still average higher. Climate wise, this would tell you next to nothing about what you expect on a given day’s weather. Unless, of course, you can show how you got 60 by using some sort of model, like something that would predict weather. But those models don’t take CO2 into account, so there is a problem here.
Tree rings can work, hide the decline can’t.
Yes Bob B, good cherry-picking of observations. I can do that to. From NOAA. January 2000 temperature anomoly, .29 degree C above 20th century average. January 2010 temperature anomoly, .60 degree C above 20th century average. From this we could conclude a .31 degree C increase in global temperature has happened between 2000 and 2010.
stumpy says:
June 1, 2011 at 1:43 am
How did we get from the real science being done in the 70′s to the current mess?
Ecological Overshoot, of course: too much wealth = too big of an ecological niche for the camp-robbers, rent-seekers, and such = The Rise of the Parasites!
OK S. says:
June 1, 2011 at 6:13 am
Well, over at Jo Nova’s, they answered your alter ego by illustrating the temps from 2001/2011: http://woodfortrees.org/graph/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2001/trend
No they didn’t on 2 counts
1. I’ve never posted at Jo Nova’s and
2. I was citing the UAH record because, like every good sceptic, I know this is superior to the GISS or HadCrut surface records.
Richard S Courtney, “However, this “committed warming” seems to have vanished (Trenberth says this is a “travesty”).”
Not at all what Trenberth said. Just as with your misunderstand of what the IPCC said about a Tropospheric hotspot, you have this wrong. Your misunderstanding about the IPCC was pointed out numerous times to no avail, so there seems to be no reason to explain about Trenberth except to say you do not understand what he was talking about.
Just like the IPCC and AGW intelligentsia “predictions”, hmmm?
Bob B says:
June 1, 2011 at 6:15 am
A little off topic, but I would ask for help here. My sister is in the middle of a fight with a school principle who just had an eco-group do a school-wide presentation on global warming and told all the kids to reduce their carbon footprints and tell their parents to do so.
You might also have your sister consider asking the teacher what s/he is doing to reduce his/her own “carbon footprint”, apart from propagandizing children. Perhaps the teacher should put her own lifestyle up for scrutiny?
If that’s the article I think it is (sorry the memory is getting rusty) then I remember reading it and taking pause. This was in the early or mid 80s, when I still lived in the Southland. Strangely, I hopped on the Gorian train from the late 80s into the early 90s and sort of forgot about it. Prophecy.
Sceptical, Lucia picked 2001 many years ago to be out of a LaNina trough and had risen back up. Your choice of 2000 is surely a cherry picked date.
OK, it was not that exact LAT article but a follow on one with similar content ~ 1984. In any case – wow.
Very interesting. My neighbor just harvested approximately 60 acres of fir. So, being curious Sam, I wondered as I wandered upon his property what the tree rings look like on the fresh stumps so neatly cut. They all (the ones I looked at) showed slow growth in the last 10 to 12 years. The previous rings show rapid favorable growth for approximately 20 years, then the sudden and obvious change. hmmm. 🙂