Common Sense Added to Endangered Species List

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

As Anthony Watts highlighted, the recent paper in Nature (paywalled, reported here) on extinctions agreed with the main conclusion that I had established in my post “Where Are The Corpses“. The conclusion was that the “species/area relationship” as currently used doesn’t work to predict extinctions, and thus there is no “Sixth Wave of Extinctions” going on.

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This example of an imaginary “wave of extinctions” once again highlights the difficulties of over-credulous scientists as well as the public. The consensus of scientific and public opinion has been that we are in the middle of a mythical “sixth wave” of extinction. In fact, this consensus was much more far-reaching than the claimed consensus regarding climate science … and just as wrong. Sadly, the “Sixth Wave of Extinction” meme is likely to be very hard to kill.

Figure 1. Another alarmist hockeystick. This is the most common graph that comes up on Google Images for “rate of extinction”. I cannot find any attribution for the graph. I do note that we haven’t seen the hundreds of extinctions claimed by whoever made the graph, and that the person who made the graph can’t spell “extinct”. But the graph is hugely popular, replicated on blog after blog.

One web site where this Fig. 1 image is found titles the thread “Bigger Threat Than Global Warming: Mass Species Extinction” … it is good that we have a new measurement standard for threats, because “Terrorism Threat Level Orange” sounds so last decade. And since we already have been informed that global warming is a bigger threat than terrorism, we now have a complete multi-level threat scale — mass extinction > global warming > terrorism. I also like how no animals went extinct from 1700 to 1900. But I digress … here’s the real historical extinction picture since the year 1500, from my post cited above;

Figure 2. Mammal and Bird Extinctions. All causes, all locations. 17 year Gaussian average. The first recorded extinctions resulted from introduced species during the first wave of European exploration of the Western Hemisphere, mostly on Caribbean Islands. The second wave of extinctions is coincident with the spread of various colonial empires (and their concomitant introduced cats, rabbits, diseases, mongooses, rifles, rats, dogs, etc) through the 18th and 19th and into the 20th centuries.

I have pleaded for common sense in this question by asking, where are the corpses of all of these supposedly extinct species? I looked high and low for birds or mammals that had gone extinct through habitat reduction. I found none. I searched the Red List. I searched the CREO list. I started investigating this question of extinctions at the end of 2001, as a result of E. O. Wilson, Stuart Pimm, and other co-authors publishing their extinction claims (pdf) in December 2001 as a rebuttal to Lomborg’s “The Skeptical Environmentalist”.

By March 2002 I had written and privately circulated what eventually (with much interesting research and analysis omitted) became my 2010 WUWT blog post on extinction, “Where Are The Corpses”. By dint of burning gallons of midnight oil (organic CO2-free oil, I might add), it took me three months, while working full-time at a day job, to establish from the actual extinction records that Wilson was wrong. I tried to get the results of my analysis published in 2004 with no success. And fair enough, my submission was not in the best of shape. If I were the editor I might have turned me down. Although the ideas were all there, the problem was I didn’t speak the scientific dialect of Journalese all that well back then. Still don’t, for that matter. But all along I have said that the huge, overblown extinction numbers were a fantasy. And almost a decade later, the latest study in Nature agrees.

There are several lessons that I draw from all of this. I sometimes divide lessons into three piles—the good, the bad, and the interesting. First, the good. Science eventually is self-correcting. The claim that 27,000 species are going extinct every year and the “Sixth Wave of Extinctions” will end up in the trash-bin of alarmist scientific claims.

Next, the bad news. The self-correction is way, way too slow. The claim of extraordinary extinctions was made by E. O. Wilson in 1992. It’s 20 years later, and the process of throwing out the garbage is just begun. C’mon, folks, this the 21st century. We need to become much more skeptical overall. The self-correction process of science needs to start moving faster. We can no longer afford the delays occasioned by the blind acceptance of incorrect theories. Scientists these days are nowhere near suspicious enough. And there’s more bad news.

Once again, we have a “scientific consensus” which is based on heartfelt emotion rather than actual data. I see Wilson’s claim as the source of all of this. In 1992, he said that some 27,000 species were going extinct each year. When I read that, my Urban Legend Alarm started ringing loud enough for Helen Keller to notice. I said “No way that can be right, the number’s way too big” … and it appears I was correct.

Unfortunately, this claim fit right in with the environmentalists reasonable desire to minimize clear-cutting of tropical forests. Confirmation bias raised its ugly head, and as a result the extinction numbers were never examined. Instead, the bogus claim immediately found its way onto bumper stickers and T-shirts and rainforest campaigns.

Now, I grew up in the middle of the forest, with no neighbors for miles, and I love the forest. So don’t get me wrong. The problem was not the environmentalists’ legitimate desire to properly protect or  manage the forest.

The problem was the bogus claim of thousands of extinctions, a claim that unfortunately fit too perfectly into the reasonable desire to stop wantonly clear-cutting the rainforest. Here at last was the magic bullet, the way to the public’s consciousness (and wallet). It fit so well that nobody wanted to listen to their own urban legend alarms. Nobody wanted to be the one to say “27,000 extinctions a year since 1992 … that’s half a million species that are supposed to be dead … how come we haven’t seen any of them yet?”. So as in the CO2 debacle, the environmental movement once again, and from the best of motives, threw its not inconsiderably weight behind bogus science.

That’s the good and the bad, now for the interesting part. How does such a consensus persist? Generally, by special pleading. If you can’t argue the pig, you argue the squeal.

For example, one of the main exponents of the species/area consensus on extinctions is Dr. Stuart Pimm. He was one of the authors of the attack on The Skeptical Environmentalist that I mentioned above. He was also courageous enough to comment on this issue on the thread Anthony started that I cited above, and that gets my respect. I like to see a man who is willing to publicly stand up for his ideas.

Dr. Pimm says that his studies have shown that the species area relationship is actually borne out by the evidence. In his comment to that thread, he lays out his explanation in one of my favorite ways, the “thought experiment”, as follows:

Imagine destruction that wipes out 95% of the habitat in an area metaphorically “overnight”. How many species have disappeared “the following morning”? The paper tells you. It is not many, just those wholly restricted to the 95% (and absent from the 5% where they would survive). The important question is …

How many of additional species living lonely lives in their isolated patches (the 5%) would become extinct eventually because their population sizes are too small to be viable? A different species-area curve applies — the one for islands, which are isolated. It is a much larger number of extinctions, of course, and the one used in the studies mentioned above that find such compelling agreement between predicted against observed extinctions.

That sounds right … if his species/area relationship theory is correct. Some species would go extinct immediately. The rest would follow an exponential decay from that time to when they reach their new equilibrium. So we’d see an immediate effect, then a decreasing number of extinctions as the years went by until the final equilibrium was reached. If his theory is correct.

But when I read Dr. Pimm’s actual work, I don’t find the names of actual species that have gone extinct from habitat reduction. I don’t find “compelling agreement between predicted against observed extinctions”. Instead, I find things like this example, from “Timeline Between Deforestation and Bird Extinction in Tropical Forest Fragments” :

Our previous work employs the familiar, empirical relationship between the size of an area, A, and the number of species it contains, S, to predict how many species should eventually be lost when forest area is reduced. We have two cases studies: the Atlantic Forest region of South America (Brooks & Balmford 1996) and the islands of Southeast Asia (Brooks et al. 1997). The global survey of Collar et al. (1994) includes lists of the bird species threatened with extinction in these regions. The predicted numbers of species lost from deforestation closely match these independently compiled totals of threatened species. This match suggests that these threatened species will indeed become extinct in due course and thus that we can predict the eventual species losses.

Note that the “species/area relationship” being applied to extinctions is described as the “familiar, empirical relationship”. This is an indication of the strength of the consensus regarding the claimed relationship.

OK. What’s wrong with the logic in Dr. Pimm’s paragraph?

His logic goes as follows. Having noticed that there have not been any bird extinctions from habitat reduction, he explains this by saying that the birds are “destined for extinction”. His species/area relationship predicts a certain number of extinctions. He finds that according to the Red List, about that same number of birds are “threatened with extinction”. This, he says, shows that his estimates are very reasonable, supporting the idea that the species/area relationship is correct.

There are two problems with that. The first is a problem with the evidence. Even if we assume a fairly long period until the calculated number of species goes extinct, the cutting of the tropical forests has been going on for many decades now. Plus as Dr. Pimm says, some species, perhaps not a lot but certainly some, should have gone extinct immediately. So from those two effects, we should have seen some bird and mammal extinctions by now. But we haven’t seen those predicted extinctions from habitat reduction. This makes his claim very doubtful from the start.

So that’s a problem with the evidence. I go through the actual numbers in “Where Are The Corpses?“. By now, if we really were in the midst of the “Sixth Wave of Extinctions”, someone should be able to point to dozens of bird and mammal species that have gone extinct from habitat reduction even if the extinctions occur very slowly. So the evidence doesn’t support his claim.

(Let me digress a moment and request that people not say “but what about the quagga, it’s extinct”, or “you left that noble bird, the nimble-fingered purse-snatcher, off the list of bird extinctions”. CREO says the quagga is extant under a valid species name, but that’s not the point. I don’t wish to be sidetracked into debating the reality of one or two extinctions. According to Wilson we should have seen dozens and dozens of bird and mammal extinctions by now. Unless you know where those missing dozens and dozens of extinctions are, I don’t want to debate whether I should have included the extinction of the double-breasted seersucker. End of digression.)

Those are problems with the evidence. But what’s wrong with Dr. Pimm’s logic?

The problem with the logic is a bit more subtle. If you go to the Red List, yes, you will find that those birds he mentions are indeed listed as being threatened with extinction. So at first blush, it seems this supports his “species/area relationship” claim.

But why does the Red List say those birds are threatened with extinction?

Well … in most instances, because of loss of habitat … which they say leads to the grave threat of extinction because that is what’s predicted by the species/area relationship. 

So Dr. Pimm’s logic is perfectly circular. As long as we accept that there is a mathematical relationship (species/area) between habitat reduction and extinctions, we can show that there is a mathematical relationship between habitat reduction and extinctions. We just declare species that have lost habitat as “Threatened With Extinction”, and presto! We now have the evidence to support the “species/area relationship”.

And since in the 21st century there is hardly a bird or mammal species which has not lost habitat, this allows the placing of more and more species onto the “threatened” lists. It also allows the putative cause called “habitat reduction” to be added to virtually any animal on the Red List … but there’s a huge problem.

The dang creatures just refuse to oblige by going extinct as Drs. Wilson and Pimm have been predicting for lo these many years. They won’t die, the cheeky beggars. Rather impolite of the birds and mammals, I’d say.

Finally, let me use this example to encourage people to use their common sense, to consider the “reasonableness” of the numbers that they encounter. The reality of the 21st century is that we need to run with our “bad number detectors” set to maximum gain. When someone claims that 27,000 species are going extinct every year, think about that number. Does it make sense? Does it seem to be a reasonable size? Extrapolate it out, that’s a quarter million species claimed to be going extinct per decade, a half million species since Wilson made the prediction. Is it reasonable that the world lost a half million species … but nobody can come up with any corpses?

Here is the rude truth about bird and mammal extinctions. Life is incredibly resilient. Once it gets started, it’s a bitch to stop. Almost all of the bird and mammal extinctions were the result of one species (specifically including humans) actively and tenaciously hunting another species to extinction. Most of the time this was an introduced species (specifically including Europeans during the waves of conquest and empire). The main extinction threat to mammals and birds around the planet has never been habitat reduction. It is species-on-species predation in its infinite variety. It was introduced brown tree snakes eating native birds in Guam, and humans hunting the Carolina Parakeets for their feathers to supply the millinery trade in New York.

And these days, of course, it is the “bushmeat” trade that is a huge threat to many African bird and mammal species, including rare and endangered primates. The idea that those species are threatened because of “habitat reduction” or “climate change” is a huge misdirection that obscures the real problems, which are the same problems as always … human predation and introduced species.

My regards to all,

w.

NOTES OF NOTE:

• While I strongly advocate checking to see if numbers are reasonable, “reasonableness” is not in itself something to stand on. It is simply one part of the “smell test”. And the smell test can’t falsify anything. But it certainly can indicate where to take a hard mathematical or observational look to find out why the number seems so far out of range.

• I grew up in the forest. I live in the forest now. When I look out from my back deck I see nothing but redwoods and oaks and bay laurel, with a tiny triangle of ocean glimmering in the distance. I believe in protecting and managing and harvesting and preserving the forests. In addition, biodiversity is always of value to an ecosystem, increasing its stability, adaptability, and longevity. This article is about extinctions, not about whether the forest should be properly protected, harvested, and managed.

• I see that my previous comments have made it into the Wall Street Journal.

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June 2, 2011 1:03 pm

Here in the UK we have just finished a nation-wide, public survey of “garden” birds that shows dozens of bird species have all but disappeared since the previous such survey in the 70’s. The population of Magpies, for example, has plummeted during this period. This work must have excluded my home town of Southport, near Liverpool, because we are knee-deep in Magpies! Sparrows, starlings, robins, cuckoos, blackbirds and lots of other birds on the edge of “extinction” are also in great abundance. These sorts of “survey” are jolly good fun, but make for very poor science.
Willis, it looks like you’ll have to get straight to work on this one, before you are hit by the Seventh Wave of Extinctions.

Jeremy
June 2, 2011 1:21 pm

Peter Kovachev,
You infer far too much into what I wrote. My comments could equally apply to any suitably powerful and influential family/group/business – no matter what their alleged race/religion. I did not attack race or religion and will absolutely not go there. I have total respect for race/religion in so much as it does not impinge on the rights of minors or females (some paternalistic religions certainly do – but that is a whole other discussion).
I simply made a political remark/speculation about what kind of agenda/influence is behind a news magazine that knowingly and continuously (at least recently) spouts total alarmist nonsense. You Sir, decided my comments were about race/religion and unfortunately your subsequent aspersions and ad hominem attacks are as totally unprofessional as they are completely unjustified.
In any case, I humbly apologize for any ill feeling or anger this may have caused you and will drop the entire subject henceforth. IMHO, the idle banter conducted on these excellent forums should not be cause for upsetting another citizen’s day. Good day, Sir.

jae
June 2, 2011 1:22 pm

Well done, again, Willis. What IS it that makes so many people believe in falling skies?
It should also be noted that once a species gets on the endangered list, it is almost impossible to get it back off. The spotted owl is a good example (although it’s now in trouble because of encroachment of the barred owl).

DesertYote
June 2, 2011 1:28 pm

A note on the relationship between habitat area and extinction, England between lets say 1500 and 2000, 500 years a major reduction in habitat ( in moonbat units) and what, no major extinctions! Oh my. Life adapts, that’s what life does.

Al Gored
June 2, 2011 1:37 pm

DesertYote says:
June 2, 2011 at 11:42 am
“Out of curiosity, does anyone know which museum hold the holotype for the passenger pigeon? Skin mounts don’t count.”
What exactly are you looking for?

DesertYote
June 2, 2011 2:26 pm

Al Gored
June 2, 2011 at 1:37 pm
The holotype on which the species and genus are erected. I got curious about this about a decade ago when I noticed that the story of the much celebrated “Passenger Pigeon” extinction started to change slightly. So much of the old and new versions do not make much sense, plus most of the “facts”, like this, that we learned in school, are completely bogus. I got suspicious and started to research, and to my surprise could not find any real data, only a couple of skin mounts at the Smithsonian.
I can normally find just about any record on any type of fish in a few hours, and not just the holotypes, but most collect records.
BTW, there use to be a very common species of hare in the SW US. They were hunted to extinction to make curios for gift shops. I have seen a few rare mounted specimens in some Arizona back country tourist traps, the relics of a by gone era. The animal was called a jack-a-lope.

Wayne Richards
June 2, 2011 2:29 pm

Snakes.
In my childhood in British Columbia we used to have several zillion garter snakes in Victoria and Vancouver. They were useful to us gardeners: they ate slugs and snails.
Now they’re gone, except for isolated pockets such as the University of B.C. Endowment Lands. They were wiped out everywhere else by Pretty Little Puss-Puss.
Amazing how animal lovers love only certain animals.

DesertYote
June 2, 2011 2:44 pm

I should mention, that I do recognize a relationship between habitat area and the possibility of extinction, which is not the same thing as rate of extinction! I know species with very limited ranges do go extinct. I’m from Arizona, one of my areas of study is freshwater ecology, i.e. fish in the desert. A number of species with limited ranges have gone extinct, on the other hand supposedly endangered species, have been managing to do just fine over the last 30 years of imminent destruction! OOPs got to get lunch over…

June 2, 2011 2:46 pm

“Peter Kovachev / You infer far too much into what I wrote….” (Jeremy, June 2, 2011 at 1:21 pm)
Quite possibly. And, since I don’t know you from Adam, I have no reason disbelieve your explanation above.
Please understand that in the battles I usually engage in, the Rothschild name is a common code word revealing and ultimately leading to ugly stuff. Google the name and you’ll see what I mean, and I’m sure that you’ll agree that no matter how innocent or incidental your reference may have been, anyone familiar with conspiracy theories and antisemitism will conclude the same things. And it’s not my thick skin that’s at issue here, but the integrity of our “side,” as it were, which can’t afford to be associated with crank theories.
In any event, I did jump the gun and make aspersions and ad hominem attacks before simply asking what exactly you meant, so, the humble apologies are entirely mine to make.

Al Gored
June 2, 2011 2:47 pm

Mark says:
June 2, 2011 at 9:43 am
Al Gored says:
Gets better. That species, like MOST bird species listed as Endangered or Threatened in Canada, is at the extreme northern margins of its range and is doing just fine in the U.S. This use of political boundaries as well as the invention of alleged subspecies and ‘distinct geographic populations’ swell the listed numbers enormously.
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“A large portion of the border between Canada and the US is literally a line someone drew on a map. Thus it follows no geographical features at all. Thus there no possible way any species other than humans could possibly be aware of such a border.”
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That was my point. Yet Canada, and presumably every country, and every province and state, comes up with lists based on these ecologically irrelevant political boundaries. Thus, in the case of Canada, every species whose natural range barely extended into Canada is, by default, so small that it gets listed. Even when they are abundant just across the border in the US.
Then it gets worse when they scream that these species are facing “extinction” in Canada when in reality it is extirpation if anything. But “extinction” sounds scarier. Not so long ago David Suzuki, Canada’s loudest liar, was screaming about the “extinction” of the Spotted Owl in Canada – ALWAYS just a tiny pop at the extreme northern tip of their range – and just in case people were not scared enough, he added that “Extinction means forever!!!” Total lie in that case. IF, IF the teeny pop in Canada did disappear, they could be reintroduced from the US pop.
Ironically, one of the biggest problems Spotted Owls now face is competition from Barred Owls, theri eastern counterparts, which recently expanded their range west… then SOUTH… obviously deniers.

Al Gored
June 2, 2011 2:55 pm

Desert Yote – Sounds like you already know how bogus the fairy tale version of the passenger pigeon story is. The super abundance described was a population explosion caused by the decimination of the main predator, Native North Americans, leaving them with all sorts of primes old farmland etc. habitats. Previously those farmers would never tolerate flocks of pigeons eating their crops plus they ate them. All been verified via archaeological evidence, the EARLY historical record, and common sense.
If you are not up on that I can send you some links.
I can probably find what you are looking for later buit curious to know why/what you need or expect to find from that.
BTW, I have had some great back and forth with the Smithsonian on some of their specimens and proved to them why they had no clue about the location of some of them but they never changed anything on their labels. ANYTHING collected by Merriam in particular, and many others of that era, are extremely dubious due to their methods of ‘collection.’ Its actually a joke. If I buy a banana in Chicago, did it come from there?

MarkW
June 2, 2011 3:03 pm

The animal was called a jack-a-lope.

It’s species like that, which give live birth a bad name.

Matt Skaggs
June 2, 2011 3:35 pm

I appreciate the thoughtful response, even though in retrospect my first comment was a bit trollish. And I really am an admirer of your work. However, your views on extinction might extend farther if you were willing to stand on the shoulders of giants. I highly recommend David Raup’s seminal work “Extinction: Bad Genes or Bad Luck?.” It gives a full description of both the random walk math, and the closely associated concept of “Gambler’s Ruin,” all of which set the mathematical background for the species/area relationship. Some of what you wrote above just reflects confusion about the relationship between animal population dynamics and extinction, exactly what I attempted to get past by using the simpler world of plants. I will concede one point: species/area relationships in mobile animal populations may be so hopelessly complicated that the theory is about as likely to yield useful information as trying to tease the temperature signal out of tree rings. But when you write “Is extinction an issue? Yes, but because of predation, not because of habitat,” that is clearly animal chauvinism. There are approximately 20 species of plants in your home state alone that are considered to have recently become extinct (see CNPS list 1a). The overwhelming majority, if not all, were due to human-caused habitat loss.

DesertYote
June 2, 2011 7:40 pm

Al Gored
June 2, 2011 at 2:55 pm
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I am a pretty curious person, like most who post here. As I have stated before, I have a background in freshwater ecology and ichthyology. I also try to stay up to date on carnivore biology, with an emphasis on evolution. I had wanted to be a wildlife biologist, but ended up as an Instrumentation/Test/Software engineer. Anyway, I think I have a good handle on what makes sense and what doesn’t.
Around a decade ago I started to get interested in all of the species that have gone extinct. As I started to think about what I knew about the passenger pigeon, alarm bells went off, so I began an investigation. The explanation you provided is pretty much what I surmised happened, i.e. the population had freakishly exploded. But I also wondered about the validity of the passenger pigeon as a species. Was the whole thing a folk tale like the jack-a-lope? I didn’t know. As an ichthyologist, the first thing I do is turn to the literature, find the holotype and read the paper erecting the taxon. (btw, there are plenty of fish bought in New York mistakes!)
Considering that a whole genus has been erected, not just a species, I was very surprised that I found little in the way of reliable information, and no information about the holotype. I understand that it was very similar to the morning dove. The only material I was able to find a reference to was those skin mounts I mentioned before in the same museum that promotes Abmystomum californium (sorry about the spelling). I eventually moved on to other things mostly because I did not know the resources, and I started a new job. With fish, I know were to go, birds not so much.
So what I am most interested in is information regarding the validity of the passenger pigeon as a species, and not a hybrid, or a variant of the morning dove, or just a folk tale. I am just curious that’s all. I hate not knowing things, and I especially hate being wrong.
BTW, birds are what interest me the least, but I still have been curious enough to learn things such as the sister relationship between pigeons and parrots.

Al Gored
June 2, 2011 10:16 pm

DesertYote says:
June 2, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Very interesting. We have a great deal in common though I am more interested in birds. Have been a birder since I was about 10 years old and that was a long, long time ago. But I had a ‘fish list’ before I had a bird list and used to keep all sorts of native species in aquariums and did other fish-related things later.
Anyhow, the passenger pigeon was classified by Linnaeus, in Europe. Lots of North American species were, from specimens sent over there though many were reclassified by the American scientific establishment. Bit of a turf war going on. So maybe you need to track that original classification down?
And back then it was a ‘splitters’ era, when naturalists were roaming around in search of new ‘species,’ often to name them after themselves or influential friends, and they made a mess of a lot of stuff. Many a false genus, tons of false species, and subspecies.
Now we have a splitting frenzy going on again for other reasons. Save the Tuscon Crow, etc.
But I agree, that genus call is a real stretch. But it was probably if not certainly a distinct species. It was larger and with different colouration than a mourning dove and its behaviour was dramatically different, particularly their colonial nesting. However, given the history that does sort of remind me of the difference between African locusts when they swarm versus when they are at low numbers – though I can’t think of any bird species that does anything like that and it seems highly unlikely.
Maybe somebody someday can get some DNA samples analyzed. Somebody real honest as even that has been corrupted by the Conservation Biology gang and it is almost impossible to verify what they say due to the cost.
In any case, the big fairy tale is that those incredible numbers of passenger pigeons were the ‘natural’ state in the ‘pristine’ pre-European landscape. That is completely false, and ecologically absurd when you look closer… like so much popular mythology that is now also used as a baseline for the Conservation Biology gang. Most, if not all, of the ‘original’ North American wildlife population estimates are total nonsense but if you want to ‘exaggerate the decline’ they are very convenient. Sort of like disappearing the MWP in reverse.
Here’s a book – collection of papers – that you are bound to enjoy:
Kay, C.E. and R.T. Simmons (eds). 2002. Wilderness & Political Ecology. The University of Utah Press.
Has an excellent paper covering the passenger pigeon story and much, much more.
But it is rather hard to find because the gang did their best to bury it when it came out. If I didn’t know one of the authors I doubt if I ever would have heard about it.

Al Gored
June 2, 2011 10:20 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
June 2, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Sorry Willis, but while that does get some of the historical information correct it presents the fairy tale version. You need to read that book I just noted in my message to Yote.

Al Gored
June 2, 2011 10:29 pm

Willis and Yote – re passenger pigeons, in Kay and Simmons, the paper to read is:
Neumann, T.W. The Role of Prehistoric Peoples in Shaping Ecosystems in the Eastern United States: Implications for Restoration Ecology and Wilderness Management.
The first smallpox epidemics hit in the mid to late 1500s. Another bigger picture book on this is ‘1491’ by Charles Mann. He tells the real passenger pigeon story there too but in far less detail than the paper above.

mikael pihlström
June 3, 2011 2:23 am

Willis Eschenbach says:
June 2, 2011 at 11:30 am
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The fact remains: you attributed opinions to the Nature article authors,
which they explicitly oppose in their abstract available for all to check. This
seems to indicate that climate scepticism is indeed a closed belief system. Like
the Inquisition and Soviet marxists you don’t have to render what people actually
say, because you have deeper knowledge of what they think and how they are programmed. Still wonder why the scientific community does not engage in
dialogue with sceptics?
Willis, I applaud your way of fearlessly taking on complex issues in a independent
and critical spirit, but you then run the risk of occasionally finding yourself out of
your depth. As another commentator already suggested your thinking on this issue is somewhat confused and muddled:
1/ The sixth mass extinction is, and must be, tied to a geological timescale.
An abrupt mass extinction thus plays out on a scale of centuries or even
milleniums. The human observer will not readily notice extinctions,
especially since most of them concern e.g. insects or microbes.
2/ The correct management approach is thus to follow population trends,
always acknowledging stochastic fluctuations, singling out persistent
negative trends (for instance farmland birds, wetland butterflies in Europe).
Let us call this the ‘Red List approach’; based on observations and independent
of models, different threat categories are monitored. Based on such monitoring
the width and seriousness of present biodiversity loss should be obvious to
anyone willing to look at the results without prejudice.
3/ Forget your ’27 000 estimate’ for awhile. The Nature article in question does
not mention it, but refers to the authorative ‘Millennium Ecosystem Assessment,
2005. Ecosystems and Human Well-being: Biodiversity Synthesis.’
http://www.greenfacts.org/en/biodiversity/index.htm#3
… which states that the natural rate of extinction is 0,1 – 1 species/1000 sp./1000
years. Further it gives the present rate as 100 sp/ 1000 sp/ 1000 years and the estimated future one as 1000 sp/ ….
You will note that this approach avoids the problem: how many species exist
as a global total.
Now, what the article says is that in more limited concrete case studies the
species-area-method might overestimate extinction rate by 100 %. Of course this
is highly relevant and potentially ground breaking, but in the light of above figures,
the sixth mass extinction is still on.
So, clearly, these Nature authors are not even close to underwriting your claims.
This is what they say in the text part of said article:
” there is likely to be concern that these results could jeopardize conservation
efforts and be falsely construed in some quarters to imply that habitat loss is not
a problem. Nothing could be further from the truth. There is no doubt whatsoever
that the Millennium Ecosystem Assessment has correctly identified habitat loss as
the primary threat to conserving the Earth’s biodiversity, and the sixth mass
extinction might already be upon us or imminent”
Of course, on this blog somebody will next write that they don’t mean it. It is a
hidden message actually saying: ‘Please rescue us, we are held prisoner by the
evil lords of AGW?

Geoff Sherrington
June 3, 2011 3:52 am

I have to chuckle at some of the stories of preservation of species and famous people. Like this:
http://citizendia.org/John_James_Audubon
“Audubon developed his own methods for drawing birds. First, he killed them using fine shot to prevent them from being torn to pieces. He then used fixed wires to prop them up into a natural position, unlike the common method of many ornithologists of first preparing and stuffing the specimens into a rigid pose.”
Willis, re your post at June 2, 2011 at 5:30 am replying to mine, I was not disagreeing with you. I was trying to point to inexactidues that might perturb empirical equations. Sure, the IUCNRedBook definition of extinct does not mention 50 years. It notes:
“A taxon is Extinct when there is no reasonable doubt that the last individual has died. A taxon is presumed Extinct when exhaustive surveys in known and/or expected habitat, at appropriate times (diurnal, seasonal, annual), throughout its historic range have failed to record an individual. Surveys should be over a time frame appropriate to the taxon’s life cycle and life form.” My point was more that there is a time lag of significant extent neded to invoke the definition and this lag affects the graph you show.
And I was not accusing you of saying that Aussies were bad bastards. Plenty of others do that. The point was more that some countries get caned after hearings in the Court of Public Opinion because of accidents of asquisition of territories, despite lack of evidence of blame.
I get sick of hearing, in similar vein, that Australians are the highest global emitters of GHG per head of population. The wrong definition is used for allocating guilt.

Geoff Sherrington
June 3, 2011 3:56 am

Willis, BTW, for years I have asked the same question “Where are the inscribed headstones?” when greenies make claims that n*hundreds of thousands have died from the aftermath of Chernoble.