Polar bear population – no change

From CNS News:

From that article:

“The PBSG confirmed its earlier conclusion that unabated global warming will ultimately threaten polar bears everywhere,” it said.

At the same time, the report cited an American scientist who told the group that a research team had used a collar to track a polar bear that swam for more than 650 kilometers across the sea. “He described the extensive spatial data recovered from one particular collar that showed the bear swimming more than 650 km in the Beaufort Sea,” said the report.

Despite its concern that climate change could threaten the polar bear, the group also said it supported the right of human beings to “harvest” the bears.

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JinOH

Where’s the one that’s holding a bottle of Coke?

R. Shearer

“Despite its concern that climate change could threaten the polar bear, the group also said it supported the right of human beings to “harvest” the bears.”
I support the right to arm bears.

Rhoda Ramirez

Give it time and the story will change to: The lack of polar bear population recovery is a rock-solid proof of the negative impact of AGW.

Latitude

It used to be all about the seals………..

Doug

The bears survived the MWP and many other periods where there was very little ice. Polar bears didn’t just evolve in the last 1000 years. They survived before, and they will survive in the future.

roger

I support the right of the Innuit people to bare arms when global warming becomes unbearable.

Welll – after Coke and Algore made them cute and cuddley, that caused a huge influx of enviro people which greatly increased their available food supply! So of course they are doing fine with the new source of food (since global warming killed all the seals). 😉

Frank K.

“Despite its concern that climate change could threaten the polar bear, the group also said it supported the right of human beings to harvest the bears.”
It works the other way too. I have a friend who used to work in Alaska (driving trucks I believe in the oil field regions). He described how a polar bear hid itself above the doorway to their cabin, and then proceeded to take a man’s head off as he exited the cabin…
Unfortunately, people still think of them as cute and fluffy stuffed animals…

Bruce Cobb

“…the report cited an American scientist who told the group that a research team had used a collar to track a polar bear that swam for more than 650 kilometers across the sea.”
Undoubtedly this was the same bear later spotted trekking accross hill and dale, and along highways to hug a Nissan Leaf owner.

Jimbo

Anybody who thinks polar bears will go extinct with an ice-free Arctic summer must be off their medication.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2010.08.016
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007AGUFMPP11A0203F
http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/21/3/227
The swim story was earlier covered by the BBC. Drowning polar bears my foot.

“A polar bear swam continuously for over nine days, covering 687km (426 miles), a new study has revealed.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9369000/9369317.stm

Jack Savage

So are 25,000 polar bears too many, ,just enough or too few?
Ask your local Greenpeace/WWF representative. Expect a blank stare. Do not blame them. I do not know. Do you?
Seriously folks…if they stabilise at this figure or more particularly if they start to increase……you have to ask, how many do we want? How will we know when the population is “optimal”? Or even what optimal means? Still shooting them while we decide does not seem to make a lot of sense, either.
Won’t someone think of the seals!

Polar bears defecate on the ice.
Pope is a Catholic.

dragineez

Doug says:
May 20, 2011 at 11:01 am
The bears survived the MWP and many other periods where there was very little ice. Polar bears didn’t just evolve in the last 1000 years. They survived before, and they will survive in the future

As long as we don’t shoot them. We can, and have, done what is necessary to assure the survival of polar bears. We’ve stopped killing them off in job lots with rifles.

bubbagyro

Seals are aplenty.
But, since the people counting polar bears are the same ones who exaggerate everything in their purview, I suggest that the real number is at least double, or 50,000. This time they de-exaggerate, or count with one eye tied behind their backs.

Canadian Land Sharks, oh pardon me, Polar Bears have adapted well to changing weather environments over multiple Ice Ages and the Interglacial periods in between. Heck, they even survived the up to ~2.5c warmer 8,100 years out of the last 10,500 years quite nicely.
“One small fossil, one giant step for polar bear evolution
April 2010
As the fuzzy and ferocious poster child for climate change issues, polar bears get plenty of press, whether it’s coverage of something as simple as the birth of a cub at a zoo or as political as a rejected ban on trading polar bear parts. Last month, however, saw a polar bear story of a different ilk — a story about the bears’ evolutionary past that has implications for their evolutionary future. Polar bears, it turns out, may have evolved surprisingly quickly in response to past climactic changes. Here, we’ll examine the different lines of evidence that led scientists to this conclusion.
Where’s the evolution?
In 2004, researchers discovered a polar bear fossil preserved in Norwegian coastal cliffs. It was the lower left portion of the jaw, still containing a tooth. And though this might not sound like much information to go on, the single fossil would turn out to have a lot to say about polar bear evolution.
The polar bear jawbone fossil that revealed so much about the history of polar bears.
The polar bear jawbone fossil that revealed so much about the history of polar bears.
Based on the jawbone’s shape, scientists were confident that it belonged to an adult male polar bear. The rock layers in which it was embedded, along with other dating techniques, suggest that it is 110,000 to 130,000 years old — older than any other known polar bear fossils. This date alone is interesting because previous estimates for the origin of polar bears have ranged from 70,000 to more than a million years ago. But, based on the new fossil’s age, we can infer that the polar bear lineage must be more than 110,000 years old.”
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/100401_polarbears
Never forget that bears are land sharks and you need to be very wary and careful of them when encountering them in the wild (or even at the zoo http://pathstoknowledge.net/2009/07/05/the-only-way-to-save-the-polar-bears-is-to-send-us-money-wwf-tv-advertisement/).

Bob Diaz

The bottom line is the polar bears are NOT in decline. However, this won’t stop the news media and alarmists from repeating the same lie over and over.

DJ

426 miles in 9 days? That’s swimming almost 2mph 24/7. That’s cookin’!!!
When looking at the numbers of bears killed, and the estimated number of bears poached or killed illegally, it appears to me that climate change is the least of their worries. The other thing that’s problematic is the regions where populations are unknown, and based on estimates.
Meanwhile, WWF is airing commercials to basically adopt a polar bear…with the tear jerker ad aimed at people with the emotional maturity of a 9yr old girl. Not far off of a “donate or we’ll shoot the puppy” approach.
National Geographic is also guilty of continuing to present videos stating that the bears are in peril. If they say it enough we’ll believe it??

pwl says:
May 20, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Canadian Land Sharks

LOL – Best SNL skit ever!

Tilo Reber

Looks like they are able to swim about six times as far as previously thought.

Kev-in-Uk

Philip Foster says:
May 20, 2011 at 11:52 am
Oh sh*t! So it’s polar bear crap that’s causing a change in ice albedo and this aids melting! Whats that old saying? – something like – ‘Don’t sh*t on your own doorstep’?

DesertYote

For those who are unfamiliar with the PBSG, they are one of the most moonbat of the IUCN SGs. They were formed because the Bear SG was not lefty enough. So reading this report was a bit of a surprise for me.

Jason

bubbagyro says:
May 20, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Seals are aplenty.
But, since the people counting polar bears are the same ones who exaggerate everything in their purview, I suggest that the real number is at least double, or 50,000. This time they de-exaggerate, or count with one eye tied behind their backs.

Nah, they just ran out of fingers and toes to count on. Probably lost them to frostbite after they figured they didn’t need gloves or boots anymore.

Note that the white bears are well armed with teeth and claws.
Fun little game the greens and feds are playing here: plus up the worldwide numbers of polar bears. Then watch them decimate the seal population until they are also endangered and list both species as endangered, locking up the Arctic from oil and natural gas exploration for as long as they can get away with it. Cheers –

Carter

650 km swim across the sea? That’s not a surprise. Polar bears are the corks of the animal kingdom. I wonder how many hours the bear slept during the trek? That one fact alone puts to rest the entire fiction about polar bears drowning in open water. Put one into the middle of a humongoid arctic storm – sure they could drown! I’ve watched “Deadliest Catch.” Those waters can be just a tad unsettled during a major storm. Otherwise, forget it. Polar bears actually have to work to stay submerged. Gore should take his animators out for dinner and drinks for the convincing con job they came up with in his fairy tale.

Carter

A couple years ago, I read somewhere that some well-meaning, but otherwise completely uninformed people had designed a life vest for the poor polar bears, to stop them from drowning, since all of their ice would soon be gone. That was one of the best LMAOROF moments I’d had in a long time. Even my 14 year old understood what a moronic idea it was. The sad part was when she shared the story with her friends, they all thought it was a great idea. And some of them didn’t want to hear the truth about the physiology of Ursus Maritimus. Personally, I was hoping to hear about the attempts of these fools to actually “dress” a 1500 pound male, and their subsequent invitation to dinner – the bears!

Jon salmi

A quick internet survey shows;
14,500 Polar Bears in Canada – from Environment Canada
(1,500 in So. Beaufort Sea – Alaska population propably incl. in Canada’s count)
7,000 Polar Bears in Siberia – from WWF – panda.org
3,000 on the North Cape – from the Norwegian Polar Institute
2,000 in the Alaska Chukchi-Bearing area – US FWS
7,500 in Greenland – from foxnews article on Hunting limits
(higher than other Greenland counts I’ve seen)
This seems more like 30,000 + to me
It seems that everybody just accepts the 20-25,00 count, although endangeredpolarbear.com gives a wide range of 22 to 40 thousand polar bears
It also seems to me that if the count were much higher many more polar Bear cubs would starve, after all the Polar Bear is an alpha-predator in a barren wasteland.

Sandy Rham

Do the Inuit agree with this report on numbers?

Gary Pearse

689 km in 9 days. Sounds like they are used to cosiderable ice melt having occurred during their evolution. These guys are big travelers by land ice and sea. They regularly take a holiday in Newfoundland and Iceland.

Gary D.

I support the right of bears to bare arms when the climate gets warm.

Jimbo

Did polar bears survive previous warm periods via adaptation?

Estimating the Energetic Contribution of Polar Bear (Ursus maritimus) Summer Diets to the Total Energy Budget
The analysis indicated that it is possible for polar bears to maintain their body mass while on shore by feeding on arctic charr and seal blubber. Polar bears of body masses up to 280 kg could gain sufficient energy from blueberries to match the daily energy loss.
http://www.asmjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1644/08-MAMM-A-103R2.1

But the polar bear cubs are doomed to drowning. Ahhhhh!

We describe an observation of a polar bear cub on its mother’s back while the mother was swimming among ice floes in Svalbard, Norwegian Arctic.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/8051204vu73l320w/
Also:
http://www.beartrust.org/Polar_bear.html

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

A few weeks ago they had some video making the rounds on ABC News (US), about the “endangered” polar bears. They looked at the “most studied group” of them around Hudson Bay. Surrounded by people with proudly-displayed “WWF” logos, they were looking at a bunch of females with big radio tracking collars, and cited as evidence of how threatened they were that mothers were only having one cub, where previously two and three cubs batches were common.
Then when the crew had vehicle problems and were stuck in the boonies, they sighted an un-collared female, generally left alone and apparently not “most studied,” with three cubs.
Is this like what happened with the tagged penguins? They’re only having one cub because they’re being stressed from the radio collars and being so heavily studied?
If those WWF people were regularly knocked out by “aliens,” “probed” with “samples obtained,” tracking devices placed on them, and knew they were being regularly monitored with the “aliens” able to find them anytime anywhere, would they be able to do much successful breeding on their own?
I don’t know for sure, doubt anyone else knows. Time to draw up a grant proposal! Effects of Climate Change and Monitoring Stress on Homo Sapiens Gaian. Should be worth at least a few million dollars, for the initial research.

Dave Wendt

According to the story this report is based on a conference that took place in June 2009, but the report was not released until Feb of this year. Does anyone else suspect , as I do, that if they could have produced something negative to report on the PB’s status, the PR would have been burning up the wires before the staff at the conference center had finished stacking up the chairs.
Wasn’t this the same group that wouldn’t allow one of the world’s most experienced polar bear researchers to attend their conference because he didn’t support the proper agenda?

Sure. The population of Polar Bears is ~25,000. At the Churchill Manitoba Landfill. I guess these scientists only looked there.

Clearly it worse than we thought. Polar bear populations should be increasing! The fact that the population has not increased is cause for alarm.

Clearly the record minimum of 2007 has not harmed polar bear populations, then.

Tom t

Here comes the headlines :In an alarming report scientists find that polar bear population is unchanged due to climate change.

Derek

Well, the Black Polar Bears went extinct. So did the Brown ones, and it was AGW that killed them!

icecover

Ot but all channels at AMSU satellite data are up and working

icecover

BTW what the heck is happening to the
http://www.berkeleyearth.org/findings
We were told April, now its May. My guess is the new data is most likely showing non AGW trends and they don’t know if they should release it or not?

golf charley

This is scary story indeed.
All we now know is how far a polar bear has swum.
We do not know how far a polar bear could swim
CAGW is all about scare stories about what COULD happen
Therefore it is possible to predict that polar bears could swim to northern europe, and even Hawaii and cause havoc to the coastal populations, especially in the UK where we are not allowed to arm ourselves, to defend against polar bear attack

KLA

…..If those WWF people were regularly knocked out by “aliens,” “probed” with “samples obtained,” tracking devices placed on them, and knew they were being regularly monitored with the “aliens” able to find them anytime anywhere, would they be able to do much successful breeding on their own?

They breed???
It’s worse than I thought!!!
I still think that if some of these people end up as lunch snack for a polar bear, the bear acts as “chlorine for the human gene-pool”.

Myrrh

Ancient Polar Bear bones: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7132220.stm
Svalbard archipelago Arctic – 110-130,000 years old, survived through last interglacial, the Eeemian, which was warmer than ours now.
Good grief! I’ve been browsing through pages on ice age changes in Britain and Europe and came across this one on the LIA which has an astonishing disclaimer at the beginning – http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/little_ice_age.html
“In no way can my summary of the research regarding the impact of regional climate change on the Viking civilization and Europe during the Little Ice Age be used to “prove” the current global warming is due to a natural cycle.”
Point taken. I hope our recent warmcold events aren’t an indication of a repeat.

philincalifornia

I’m sure the WWF are happier than hell to have the locals plugging their quota every year. A growing polar bear population would be quite the inconvenient truth wouldn’t it ??
Having said that though, Putin has placed a moratorium on their being hunted on the Russian side. Good for him, and I’m not going to question his motives.
http://www.celsias.com/article/polarbear-hunting-quota-wont-be-hunted-year-russia/
(Note, I provide this link for attribution purposes only. Some paragraphs may require having a barf bag handy)

JinOH says:
May 20, 2011 at 10:49 am
Where’s the one that’s holding a bottle of Coke?

That was an Antarctic Polar Bear. Remember, he was gooning with a penguin.

Dave

Just the bear facts!
Polar bears do not hibernate over winter in dens like brown and black bears. over winter in dens like brown and black bears.
Only pregnant females enter dens to give birth where they stay until the cubs are big enough to trek.
Most polar bears remain active throughout the year. They have the ability to reduce their metabolic rate when food is scarce and adjust it again when food is abundant.
Denning.
Pregnant polar bears den in the fall after feeding heavily in August and September. They choose den sites in snowdrifts along mountain slopes or hills near sea ice or in banks of snow on the frozen sea. Along Western Hudson Bay mother bears begin by denning in earthen dens along riverbanks and later move to snow dens.
See the Polar bear blogs (http://www.polarbearalley.com/ ) to find Polar bears throughout the summer and fall catching sleeping seals (yum yum) on tidal/mud flats when the tide goes out.
They are food opportunist and their food consists of seals coming up for air through holes in the ice or sun bathing and snoozing on ice or land. They also eat sea birds, lonely mosques bison going walkabout, stranded whales and in the summer time berries and plants. They regularly swim 40+ miles without effort at a cruise speed of 5 knots. Their only enemy are researchers and arrogant human beings with guns.

Mashiki

Why am I not surprised? It seems like everyone but Canadians believed this crap(well that and we club baby seals on our 12th birthdays as a right of passage–though seal flipper pie is delicious). Having seen polar bears as far south as Winisk River Provincial Park(that’s a long way south from the arctic) , I could never understand the hysteria over it.
Well I have heard rumors that they’re looking to do a cull in northern ontario because the population is getting to high but who knows, maybe it’s just talk like usual.

From the article:
“The group said it viewed anticipated changes in the Arctic environment caused by “climate change” to be the greatest threat to the future of the polar bear.”
What exactly does that mean? Exactly how much “climate change” does it take to threaten a Polar bear?
Also, if the Arctic environment warmed slightly, would this mean more or less available food for the Polar bears?

H.R.

I would think that Polar bears would be better adapted to global warming than black or brown bears, based on their higher albedo. They’re white for cryin’ out loud!
Where’s the concern for the dark bears sweatin’ their little heinies off? Someone is not wearing their thinking cap.

James Sexton

JohnWho says:
May 20, 2011 at 5:50 pm
From the article:
“The group said it viewed anticipated changes in the Arctic environment caused by “climate change” to be the greatest threat to the future of the polar bear.”
What exactly does that mean? Exactly how much “climate change” does it take to threaten a Polar bear?
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Well, apparently the first 30 years wasn’t a big deal, but maybe the next 30….boy howdy! Watch out for that!
I guess its a hobby for simpletons. Somehow, it gets lost that polar bears are essentially genetically the same as grizzlies. But some how the bears, even though they do today, wouldn’t be able to live on land. About the only thing I find alarming is the low level of collective intelligence of the IUCN. But, more and more, I’m thinking to carry the label of “scientist” its mandated that you have an IQ 10-20 lower than the mean. Educable aments.

A polar bear swimming 650 kilometers? This is CLEAR proof of Global Warming. Obviously the polar bear has mutated and gain some fish-like webbings and gills, a la Kevin Costner in “Waterworld”. You bunch of evil deniers are the cause of this terrible disruption of the purity of the polar bear gene pool…
/sarc