This gets the honor of “Climate Craziness of the Week”. Oh, that’s gonna leave a mark…
Josh writes in an email: her actual quote was:
“If we are to overcome the climate crisis we must move on to the equivalent of a war footing”
And she then likened the leadership this would require to Tony Blair’s in taking us to war in Iraq
But that’s too long for a satirical political cartoon, so Josh took the essence. Unfortunately I can’t seem to locate the online link as the Sunday Times link sends visitors to the paywall. It was in “features” and titled:
A very heated debate
Josh is working from the print edition in the UK, so I’ll take his word for it.
Here’s a letter Lucas penned in 2003 about the war in Iraq:
It is very telling. These quotes are pertinent:
They point not only to the imminent military war, which they recognise could have devastating consequences, but also to the ongoing economic war, which is being prosecuted by the US and Britain in particular, through the imposition of economic sanctions over a decade.
Um, in case you haven’t noticed lady, greens are waging economic war in the UK.
A recent broadsheet headline screamed: “Stop the war? Try telling that to the tyrannised people of Iraq.”
and …
An attack on the roads, bridges, ports or railways of Iraq would severely damage what is now an extremely well functioning food distribution system.
So will Lucas advocate stopping the tyrannizing of the British people by absurd green laws, protest takeovers of power plants by greens in the UK, Plane Stupid’s attacks on Heathrow airport, and threats of occasional electricity in the future?
Doubtful, in this case of greens -vs- the UK infrastructure, Lucas is the war leader.
Some deep self reflection is sorely needed by this confused woman.
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We went to war in Iraq over what amounted to a moehill.
It is in the nature of such nations to bs thier capability, as in the “Mother of all Battles” turning out to be an orphan.
Saddam Hussein (and Baghdad Bob) met up with G.W. Bush, who took them up on thier word.
History will repeat itself as the GOP meets up with the Greens in an economic “Mother of all Ecothesis”.
Something like that.
There is an article in today’s Sunday Times Magazine by Bryan Appleyard titled “First Came The Floods, Then Came The Snow… And The Climate Scientists Were Silent”
Bing gives for string “first came the floods” a Times article which points to http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/environment/article2570981.ece
but I don’t know where this pay for access link leads to.
http://www.tallbloke.net/pics/comical-gore.JPG
[I’m afraid I will have to confiscate that for future use.☺ ~dbs]
You’re welcome Smokey. Feel free to retouch and improve it, it’s a bit rough around the edges.
Green Sand says:
March 6, 2011 at 12:55 pm
All I need now is SUN and some pigging WARMTH! It is too damn cold in Derbyshire.
Have a good growing season, your logic is very, very sound.
I think there will be late frosts this year. The poly tunnel has a paraffin heater in it. The price of paraffin is scary these days, though the co2 help the seedlings grow quick too.
PS, greens make good compost, work that which ever way you want.
Heh, I use nettles to make plant food. Works really well.
@ur momisugly Peter,
I live in Brighton. I have met Ms Lucas. I read her party’s manifesto before the last election. I can say that whilst I do not think Ms Lucas is a moron or illiterate, (although others do and they are entitlted to that opinion, she is woefully ill informed, exercises and has exercised appallingly poor judgment, is undoubtedly a fascist and one of the most execrable prodnose, big government, “I know what’s good for you better than you do”, politicians in the UK. For reasons unkown she appears to have access to the MSM that far, far exceeds her position or importance. She is a disaster and a danger to all of us.
Ken Hall says:
March 6, 2011 at 12:39 pm
“Even if they had, VX has a shelf life which had expired by 1998. All the other agents and chemicals on those lists in 1998 also had shelf-lives. All had expired.”
http://www.fas.org/irp/gulf/cia/960705/73919_01.htm
“20 FEBRUARY 1991 MEMORANDUM”
“CIA BELIEVES THAT A SUBSTANTIAL SEGMENT OF IRAQ’S NERVE AGENT
STOCKPILE CONSISTS OF BINARY CHEMICAL WEAPONS–WHICH WOULD NOT
BE SUBJECT TO DEGRADATION. CIA ALSO BELIEVES THAT THE SHELF
LIFE PROBLEM WAS ONLY TEMPORARY AND THAT THE IRAQIS EVEN NOW
MAY BE ABLE TO PRODUCE UNITARY AGENTS OF SUFFICIENT QUALITY BY
ADDING A STABILIZER OR IMPROVING THEIR PRODUCTION PROCESS.
“
The Cognitive Dissonance is strong in these ones…
I seee Dellers has the cartoon up as well:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100078707/there-is-nothing-smart-about-rationing-electricity/
The global warming scam and the war in Iraq are not even similar. AGW is used as a classic scare tactic by people looking for both power and money. The scare tactics used for the invasion in 2003 was just finding an excuse to remove a problem that had existed since the first gulf war.
Saddam used WMD’s on both Iraqi’s and Iranians In for many years prior to the 2003 invasion. It would have been irresponsible to assume he had gotten rid of them. He constantly threatened to use them. The Iraqi government was a threat to the stability of the region and had been since the first gulf war. He should have been taken out then but, for political reasons was not. The WMD’s may have been old or may not have been. We had to assume from his willingness to use them in the past that they were there. There have been many reports of them being found. This is only one quickly looked up.
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf
“Philip Mulholland says:
March 6, 2011 at 1:44 pm
There is an article in today’s Sunday Times Magazine by Bryan Appleyard titled “First Came The Floods, Then Came The Snow… And The Climate Scientists Were Silent”
Bing gives for string “first came the floods” a Times article which points to http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/environment/article2570981.ece
but I don’t know where this pay for access link leads to.”
It leads to an Apache server error. Below is the address that got me to the article by Appleyard, but I’ve got paywall access. Some Ad homs against Monckton and Piers Corbyn but the article does indicate the warmists are rattled.
Here’s a extract showing both ad hom and praise for Monckton.
“Christopher Monckton, joint deputy leader of Ukip, the anti-immigration party, is perhaps the most high-profile warming sceptic on the planet. Though not a scientist, he is highly scientifically informed. “If it were him versus Al Gore or him versus David Cameron, he’s vastly better scientifically qualified,” says Richard Lindzen, professor of meteorology at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.”
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/Magazine/Features/article562243.ece?contentSlug=magazine-the_report.gif-79&slugImage=:::
Also references Graham Stringer MP
“The Labour MP Graham Stringer was on the select committee that questioned Dr Philip Jones about his emails.
“It was quite a shock,” Stringer says. “It was not just the emails, which were probably over the top, but when you look below at what they were actually doing, they weren’t doing science.”
Stringer, a scientist by training, is one of the few politicians to come out as a warming sceptic. But there are plenty of closet sceptics. ”
So for mainstream media not a bad read for sceptics compared to the usual tosh even if it is hidden away in the colour supplement which I usually put straight into the recycling bin.
@James Baldwin Sexton says: March 6, 2011 at 12:06 pm; et al
There were no WMD’s in Iraq period, there is no data to support this concocted canard. The war started by Bush/Cheney and friends at Halliburton and the military industrial complex to profiteer (the Kurds thing is a red herring, just admit you’ve been duped just like CAGW)
Mark G.
“Of course we knew Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons: we sold them to him.”
I don’t know who your ‘we’, is, but it was not the USA. The USA involved itself in very little trade with Saddam. About 1%. Absolutely no chemical weapons were sold. There were some dual use chemicals approved for sale, primarily chlorine, which has multiple uses, the vast majority benign. Saddam was also sold noncritical communication equipment, ambulances and agriculture use helicopters. Non of these items were sold by the government. They were available on the open market. As for the Sarin gas used on Kurds, it was learned that the precursor chemicals and a complete factory to manufacture the same were sold to Saddam by West Germany. So I presume you are a West German?
Or do you attribute Saddam’s attack on Iran and the Kurds to be some foul plot by Bush, devised while he was managing the Texas Rangers?
Combating climate change is like waging war in Irag ……. only if 1010.org is conducting the campaign.
From the Green Party website:-
Britain needs a “war footing” to tackle climate change and energy crisis
From the same article by Bryan Appleyard in the Sunday Times Magazine.
Mention of:-
Climate Change Week 21-27 March 2011
and also:-
Repeal the 2008 Climate Change Act
@ur momisugly Josh,
How about a whack-a-mole cartoon.
Warmist vs. skeptic.
Precisely put. There’s the War on the Economy, the War on the Elements; and of course – the third WOE is upon you – the War on Energy. So she has spoken plainly and all Brits need to do is listen.
An interesting thought is, what response would an equivalent comment in the US get?
Where oh where is Vice President Joe Biden when you need him?!
Not sure how the two are supposed to compare. Will the battle against global warming end in self-determination and a fledgling young democracy for a people accustomed to a lifetime of brutal oppression? And will that outcome be sneered at by people who were secretly hoping for a “last chopper on the rooftop” scene like they fondly remember from Vietnam?
I think we’ve already seen that one in those who have openly wished for some horrible climate disaster to “prove” that their warming fantasies are correct.
Anyway, fun discussion but I don’t really see much of connection, unless one thinks that the introduction of a liberal democracy in the heart of the middle-east was a waste of time. Who in that region seems to want such a thing? Oh.
Or, if we hadn’t done anything, we could be enjoying the entertaining spectacle of a Saddam-Ahmadinejab nuclear, biological, and chemical arms race and be glued to our TVs in anticipation of Iran-Iraq, The Sequel.
Yeah too bad we missed all that.
I was for the war in Iraq,and I think the situation in the middle east shows that Bush was right.Iraqi citizens are not marching on their government,wonder why?perhaps it’s because they can vote.I am glad Gadaffi has no WMDs,or nuclear weapons.There was no doubt that Hussein was aiming for nuclear.
I laughed at the food distribution comment about Iraq,did the author not know that the left was blaming sanctions for the deaths of Iraqi children,while Hussein was living in gilded places with all the money in the world at his disposal?
http://faisalkutty.com/publications/toronto-star/sanctions-are-killing-the-children-of-iraq/
I can see that Miss Lucas has a point.She believes climate sanctions are good for future generations,just as Bush believed the liberation of Iraq was good for future generations,and for democracy in the Middle East.
Thousands of soldiers,and hundreds of thousands civilians died in Iraq,losing power and having to restrict your quality of life does not compare with their sacrifice.Time will tell if those sacrifices were in vain.
[snip – the copyright holder of the Hitler movie has foolishly come down hard on blogs that use this…so I regretfully have to snip this – Anthony
That video really was funny. I LOL-ed a few times watching it.
Dan Lee says:
March 6, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Not sure how the two are supposed to compare. Will the battle against global warming end in self-determination and a fledgling young democracy for a people accustomed to a lifetime of brutal oppression? And will that outcome be sneered at by people who were secretly hoping for a “last chopper on the rooftop” scene like they fondly remember from Vietnam?
====
Well said! Two thumbs up, Dan. Way up.
For a year prior to the invasion and occupation of Iraq, the goose-stepping western media assaulted us with the opinions of “experts” about the the threat posed by the Iraqi arsenal. This process of indoctrination was appropriately called “manufacturing consent” in Chomsky speak.
Sadly, a significant number of war-loving “Christians” on the right of politics bought the WMD lies and still defend them today, since the lies were designed appeal to their personal prejudices.
Confirmation bias works in the art of propaganda.
The goose-stepping media, with instructions from above, is now on the warpath against CO2.
Sadly, a lot of industry-haters on the left of politics have bought these lies, and the reason is the same: they were designed to appeal to their personal prejudice, their sense of identity.
The common theme is “experts” enforcing myths through the media–lying to the general public in order to manufacture consent for insane, violent policies that most rational people would reject.
On the bandwagon (argumentum ad populum) of experts (argumentum ad verecundiam) …. by Galileo’s dad:
Also, when April Glaspie greenlighted the invasion of Kuwait, she told Saddam Hussein that a lot of American business people wanted to see higher prices for oil, not lower.
In a world flushed with hydrocarbons, artificial reduction of supply, even if it means bombing an advanced nation “back to the stone age”– is good for some people.
WMD is an excellent analogy for AGW: I use it all the time. Sometimes it is the only way to get people on the left to think instead of regurgitating talking points from the “experts.”
D. J. Hawkins says:
March 6, 2011 at 11:31 am
……we should rather be more nervous and less condescending about the issue…….. My view? Sneer less, pray more.
MDenis39 says:
March 6, 2011 at 11:57 am
There is the outside chance that the stockpiles were moved to Syria, but no hard evidence and no testimony to that effect.
The question is not whether Saddam ever had them. The question is did he have them during the second Iraq war. And it looks like the answer is yes. But that’s all beside the real point since if 9/11 didn’t happen W Bush would not, likely, have went into Iraq. It’s pretty clear that not WMD but rather 9/11 was the reason for Iraq war 2.
Iraq WMD moved to Syria as told by Saddam’s #2 ranked general, Georges Sada:
5:30 video
Khwarizmi says:
March 6, 2011 at 6:36 pm
“Also, when April Glaspie greenlighted the invasion of Kuwait, she told Saddam Hussein…”
Glad you mentioned this. The whole thing was a set up. Saddam was past huis due date after his usefulness carrying on ‘his’ war against Iran was finished. Due to our conveniently short memories and attention spans, too many people forget how the Iraq project really got started.
In the world of propaganda, my favorite trick in that first war was when they faked the whole story about the evil Iraqis taking Kuwaiti babies out of incubators. Their fake witness delivered an Academy award worthy performance.