Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Recently, Nature Magazine published a paywalled paper called “Human contribution to more-intense precipitation extremes” by Seung-Ki Min, Xuebin Zhang, Francis W. Zwiers & Gabriele C. Hegerl (hereinafter MZZH11) was published in Nature Magazine. The Supplementary Information is available here. The study makes a very strong claim to have shown that CO2 and other greenhouse gases are responsible for increasing extreme rainfall events, viz:
Here we show that human-induced increases in greenhouse gases have contributed to the observed intensification of heavy precipitation events found over approximately two-thirds of data-covered parts of Northern Hemisphere land areas.
Figure 1. Extreme 1-day rainfall. New Orleans, Katrina. Photo Source
There are two rainfall indices which are used in their analysis, called the RX1day and RX5day indices. The RX1day and RX5day indices give the maximum one-day precipitation and five-day precipitation for a given station for a given month. These individual station datasets (available here, free registration required) have been combined into a gridded dataset, called HADEX (Hadley Climate Extremes Dataset) . It is this gridded dataset that was used in the MZZH11 study.
So what’s wrong with the study? Just about everything. Let me peel the layers off it for you, one by one.
Other people have commented on a variety of problems with the study, including Roger Pielke Jr., Andy Revkin, Judith Curry . But to begin with, I didn’t read them, I did what I always do. I went for the facts. I thrive on facts. I went to get the original data. For me, this is not the HADEX data, as that data has already been gridded. I went to the actual underlying data used to create the HADEX dataset, as cited above. Since they don’t provide a single datablock file with all of the areas (grrrr … pet peeve), I started by looking at the USA data.
And as is my habit, the first thing I do is just to look at the individual records. There are 2,661 stations in the USA database, of which some 731 contain some RX1day maximum one day rainfall data. However, as is usual with weather records of all kinds, many of these have missing data. In addition, only 9% of the stations contain a significant trend at the 95% confidence level. Since with a 95% confidence interval (CI) we would expect 5% of the stations to exceed that in any random dataset, we’re only slightly above what would be expected in a random dataset. In addition, the number of stations available varies over time..
Now, let me repeat part of that, because it is important.
91% of the rainfall stations in the US do not show a significant trend in precipitation extremes, either up or down.
So overwhelmingly in the US there has been
No significant change in the extreme rainfall.
And as if that wasn’t enough …
Of the remaining 9% that have significant trends, 5% of the trends are probably from pure random variation.
So this means that
Only about 5% of the stations in the US show any significant change in rainfall extremes.
So when you see claims about changes in US precipitation extremes, bear in mind that they are talking about a situation where only ~ 5% of the US rainfall stations show a significant trend in extreme rainfall. The rest of the nation is not doing anything.
Now, having seen that, let’s compare that to the results shown in the study:
Figure 2. The main figure of the MZZH11 study, along with the original caption. This claims to show that the odds of extreme events have increased in the US.
Hmmmm …. so how did they get that result, when the trends of the individual station extreme precipitation show that some 95% of the stations aren’t doing anything out of the ordinary? Let me go over the stages step by step as they are laid out in the study. Then I’ll return to discuss the implications of each step.
1. The HADEX folks start with the individual records. Then, using a complex formula based on the distance and the angle from the center of the enclosing gridcell, they take a weighted station average of each month’s extreme 1-day rain values from all stations inside the gridcell. This converts the raw station data into the HADEX gridded station data.
2. Then in this study they convert each HADEX gridcell time series to a “Probability-Based Index” (PI) as follows:
Observed and simulated annual extremes are converted to PI by fitting a separate generalized extreme value (GEV) distribution to each 49-year time series of annual extremes and replacing values with their corresponding percentiles on the fitted distribution. Model PI values are interpolated onto the HadEX grid to facilitate comparison with observations (see Methods Summary and Supplementary Information for details).
In other words, they separately fit a generalized three-parameter probability function each to gridcell time series, to get a probability distribution. The fitting is done iteratively, by repeatedly adjusting each parameter to find the best fit. Then they replace that extreme rainfall value (in millimetres per day) with the corresponding probability distribution value, which is between zero and 1.
They explain this curious transformation as follows:
Owing to the high spatial variability of precipitation and the sparseness of the observing network in many regions, estimates of area means of extreme precipitation may be uncertain; for example, for regions where the distribution of individual stations does not adequately sample the spatial variability of extreme values across the region. In order to reduce the effects of this source of uncertainty on area means, and to improve representativeness and inter-comparability, we standardized values at each grid-point before estimating large area averages by mapping extreme precipitation amounts onto a zero-to-one scale. The resulting ‘probability-based index’ (PI) equalizes the weighting given to grid-points in different locations and climatic regions in large area averages and facilitates comparison between observations and model simulations.
Hmmm … moving right along …
3. Next, they average the individual gridcells into “Northern Hemisphere”, “Northern Tropics”, etc.
4. Then the results from the models are obtained. Of course, models don’t have point observations, they already have gridcell averages. However, the model gridcells are not the same as the HADEX gridcells. So the model values have to be area-averaged onto the HADEX gridcells, and then the models averaged together.
5. Finally, they use a technique optimistically called “optimal fingerprinting”. As near as I can tell this method is unique to climate science. Here’s their description:
In this method, observed patterns are regressed onto multi-model simulated responses to external forcing (fingerprint patterns). The resulting best estimates and uncertainty ranges of the regression coefficients (or scaling factors) are analysed to determine whether the fingerprints are present in the observations. For detection, the estimated scaling factors should be positive and uncertainty ranges should exclude zero. If the uncertainty ranges also include unity, the model patterns are considered to be consistent with observations.
In other words, the “optimal fingerprint” method looks at the two distributions H0 and H1 (observational data and model results) and sees how far the distributions overlap. Here’s a graphical view of the process, from Bell, one of the developers of the technique.
Figure 2a. A graphical view of the “optimal fingerprint” technique.
As you can see, if the distributions are anything other than Gaussian (bell shaped), the method gives incorrect results. Or as Bell says (op. cit.) the optimal footprint model involves several crucial assumptions, viz:
• It assumes the probability distribution of the model dataset and the actual dataset are Gaussian
• It assumes the probability distribution of the model dataset and the actual have approximately the same width
While it is possible that the extreme rainfall datasets fit these criteria, until we are shown that they do fit them we don’t know if the analysis is valid. However, it seems extremely doubtful that the hemispheric averages of the probability based indexes will be normal. The MZZH11 folks haven’t thought through all of the consequences of their actions. They have fitted an extreme value distribution to standardize the gridcell time series.
This wouldn’t matter a bit, if they hadn’t then tried to use optimal fingerprinting. The problem is that the average of a PI of a number of extreme value distributions will be an extreme value distribution, not a Gaussian distribution. As you can see in Figure 2a above, for the “optimal fingerprint” method to work, the distributions have to be Gaussian. It’s not as though the method will work with other distributions but just give poorer results. Unless the data is Gaussian, the “optimal fingerprint” method is worse than useless … it is actively misleading.
It also seems doubtful that the two datasets have the same width. While I do not have access to their model dataset, you can see from Figure 1 that the distribution of the observations is wider, both regarding increases and decreases, than the distribution of the model results.
This seems extremely likely to disqualify the use of optimal fingerprinting in this particular case even by their own criteria. In either case, they need to show that the “optimal fingerprint” model is actually appropriate for this study. Or in the words of Bell, the normal distribution “should be verified for the particular choice of variables”. If they have done so there is no indication of that in the study.
I think that whole concept of using a selected group of GCMs for “optimal fingerprinting” is very shaky. While I have seen theoretical justifications for the procedure, I have not seen any indication that it has been tested against real data (not used on real data, but tested against a selected set of real data where the answer is known). The models are tuned to match the past. Because of that, if you remove any of the forcings, it’s almost a certainty that the model will not perform as well … duh, it’s a tuned model. And without knowing how or why the models are chosen, how can they say their results are solid?
OK, I said above that I would first describe the steps of their analysis. Those are the steps. Now let’s look at the implications of each step individually.
STEP ONE: We start with what underlies the very first step, which is the data. I didn’t have to look far to find that the data used to make the HADEX gridded dataset contains some really ugly errors. One station shows 48 years of August rains with a one-day maximum of 25 to 50 mm (one to two inches), and then has one August (1983) with one day when it is claimed to have rained 1016 mm (40 inches) … color me crazy, but I think that once again, as we have seen time after time, the very basic steps have been skipped. Quality doesn’t seem to be getting controlled. So … we have an unknown amount of uncertainty in the data simply due to bad individual data points. I haven’t done an analysis of how much, but a quick look revealed a dozen stations with that egregious an error in the 731 US datasets … no telling about the rest of the world.
The next data issue is “inhomogeneities” (sudden changes in volume or variability) in the data. In a Finnish study, 70% of the rainfall stations had inhomogeneities. While there are various mathematical methods used by the HADEX folks to “correct” for this, it introduces additional uncertainty into the data. I think it would be preferable to split the data at the point of the inhomogeneous change, and analyze each part as a separate station. Either way, we have an uncertainty of at least the difference in results of the two methods. In addition, the Norwegian study found that on average, the inhomogeneities tended to increase the apparent rainfall over time, introducing a spurious trend into the data.
In addition, extreme rainfall data is much harder to quality control than mean temperature data. For example, it doesn’t ever happen that the January temperature at a given station averages 40 degrees every January but one, when it averages 140 degrees. But extreme daily rainfall could easily change from 40 mm one January to an unusual rain of 140 mm. This makes for very difficult judgements as to whether a large daily reading is erroneous.
In addition, an extreme value is one single value, so if that value is incorrectly large it is not averaged out by valid data. It carries through, and is wrong for the day, the month, the year, and the decade.
Rainfall extreme data also suffers in the recording itself. If I have a weather station and I go away for the weekend, my maximum thermometer will record the maximum temperature of the two days I missed. But the rainfall gauge can only give me the average of the two days I missed … or I could record the two days as one with no rain on the other day. Either way … uncertainties.
Finally, up to somewhere around the seventies, the old rain gauges were not self emptying. This means that if the gauge were not manually emptied, it could not record an extreme rain. All of these problems with the collection of the extreme rainfall data means it is inherently less accurate than either mean or extreme temperature data.
So that’s the uncertainties in the data itself. Next we come to the first actual mathematical step, the averaging of the station data to make the HADEX gridcells. HADEX, curiously, uses the averaging method rejected by the MZZH11 folks. HADEX averages the actual rainfall extreme values, and did not create a probability-based index (PI) as in the MZZH11 study. I can make a cogent argument for either one, PI or raw data, for the average. But using a PI based average of a raw data average seems like an odd choice, which would result in unknown uncertainties. But I’m getting ahead of myself. Let me return to the gridding of the HADEX data.
Another problem increasing the uncertainty of the gridding is the extreme spatial and temporal variability of rainfall data. They are not well correlated, and as the underlying study for HADEX says (emphasis mine):
[56] The angular distance weighting (ADW) method of calculating grid point values from station data requires knowledge of the spatial correlation structure of the station data, i.e., a function that relates the magnitude of correlation to the distance between the stations. To obtain this we correlate time series for each station pairing within defined latitude bands and then average the correlations falling within each 100 km bin. To optimize computation only pairs of stations within 2000 km of each other are considered. We assume that at zero distance the correlation function is equal to one. This may not necessarily be the best assumption for the precipitation indices because of their noisy nature but it does provide a good compromise to give better gridded coverage.
Like most AGW claims, this seems reasonable on the surface. It means that stations closer to the gridbox center get weighted more than distant stations. It is based on the early observation by Hansen and Lebedeff in 1987 that year-to-year temperature changes were well correlated between nearby stations, and that correlation fell off with distance. In other words, if this year is hotter than last year in my town, it’s likely hotter than last year in a town 100 km. away. Here is their figure showing that relationship:
Figure 3. Correlation versus Inter-station Distance. Original caption says “Correlation coefficients between annual mean temperature changes for pairs of randomly selected stations having at least 50 common years in their records.”
Note that at close distances there is good correlation between annual temperature changes, and that at the latitude of the US (mostly the bottom graph in Figure 3) the correlation is greater than 50% out to around 1200 kilometres.
Being a generally suspicious type fellow, I wondered about their claim that changes in rainfall extremes could be calculated by assuming they follow the same distribution used for temperature changes. So I calculated the actual relationship between correlation and inter-station distance for the annual change in maximum one-day rainfall. Figure 4 shows that result. It is very different from temperature data, which has good correlation between nearby stations and drops off slowly with increasing distance. Extreme rainfall does not follow that pattern in the slightest.
Figure 4. Correlation of annual change in 1-day maximum rainfall versus the distance between the stations. Scatterplot shows all station pairs between all 340 mainland US stations which have at least 40 years of data per station. Red line is a 501 point Gaussian average of the data.
As you can see, there is only a slight relationship at small distances between extreme rainfall event correlation and distance between stations. There is an increase in correlation with decreasing distance as we saw with temperature, but it drops to zero very quickly. In addition, there are a significant number of negative correlations at all distances. In the temperature data shown in Figure 3, the decorrelation distance (the distance where the average correlation drops to 0.50) is on the order of 1200 km. The corresponding decorrelation distance for one-day extreme precipitation is only 40 km …
Thinking that the actual extreme values might correlate better than the annual change in the extreme values, I plotted that as well … it is almost indistinguishable from Figure 4. Either way, there is only a very short-range (less than 40 km) relation between distance and correlation for the RX1day data.
In summary, the method of weighting averages by angular distances used for gridding temperature records is supported by the Hansen/Lebedeff temperature data in Figure 3. On the other hand, the observations of extreme rainfall events in Figure 4 means that we cannot use same method for gridding of extreme rainfall data. It makes no sense, and reduces accuracy, to average data weighted by distance when the correlation doesn’t vary with anything but the shortest distances, and the standard deviation for the correlation is so large at all distances.
STEP 2: Next, they fit a generalized extreme value (GEV) probability distribution to each individual gridcell. I object very strongly to this procedure. The GEV distribution has three different parameters. Depending on how you set the three GEV dials, it will give you distributions ranging from a normal to an exponential to a Weibull distribution. Setting the dials differently for each gridcell introduces an astronomical amount of uncertainty into the results. If one gridcell is treated as a normal distribution, and the next gridcell is treated as an exponential distribution, how on earth are we supposed to compare them? I would throw out the paper based on this one problem alone.
If I decided to use their method, I would use a Zipf distribution rather than a GEV. The Zipf distribution is found in a wide range of this type of natural phenomena. One advantage of the Zipf distribution is that it only has one parameter, sigma. Well, two, but one is the size of the dataset N. Keeps you from overfitting. In addition, the idea of fitting a probability distribution to the angular-distance weighted average of raw extreme event data is … well … nuts. If you’re going to use a PI, you need to use it on the individual station records, not on some arbitrary average somewhere down the line.
STEP 3: Hemispheric and zonal averages. In addition to the easily calculable statistical error propagation in such averaging, we have the fact that in addition to statistical error each individual gridpoint has its own individual error. I don’t see any indication that they have dealt with this source of uncertainty.
STEP 4: Each model needs to have its results converted from the model grid to the HADEX grid. This, of course, gives a different amount of uncertainty to each of the HADEX gridboxes for each of the models. In addition, this uncertainty is different from the uncertainty of the corresponding observational gridbox …
There are some other model issues. The most important one is that they have not given any ex-ante criteria for selecting the models used. There are 24 models in the CMIP database that they could have used. Why did they pick those particular models? Why not divide the 24 models into 3 groups of 8 and see what difference it makes? How much uncertainty is introduced here? We don’t know … but it may be substantial.
STEP 5: Here we have the question of the uncertainties in the optimal fingerprinting. These uncertainties are said to have been established by Monte Carlo procedures … which makes me nervous. The generation of proper data for a Monte Carlo analysis is a very subtle and sophisticated art. As a result, the unsupported claim of a Monte Carlo analysis doesn’t mean much to me without a careful analysis of their “random” proxy data.
More importantly, the data does not appear to be suitable for “optimal fingerprinting” by their own criteria.
End result of the five steps?
While they have calculated the uncertainty of their final result and shown it in their graphs, they have not included most of the uncertainties I listed above. As a result, they have greatly underestimated the real uncertainty, and their results are highly questionable on that issue alone.
OVERALL CONCLUSIONS
1. They have neglected the uncertainties from:
• the bad individual records in the original data
• the homogenization of the original data
• the averaging into gridcells
• the incorrect assumption of increasing correlation with decreasing distance
• the use of a 3 parameter fitted different probability function for each gridcell
• the use of a PI average on top of a weighted raw data average
• the use of non-Gaussian data for an “optimal fingerprint” analysis
• the conversion of the model results to the HADEX grid
• the selection of the models
As a result, we do not know if their findings are significant or not … but given the number of sources of uncertainty and the fact that their results were marginal to begin with, I would say no way. In any case, until those questions are addressed, the paper should not have been published, and the results cannot be relied upon.
2. There are a number of major issues with the paper:
• Someone needs to do some serious quality control on the data.
• The use of the HADEX RX1day dataset should be suspended until the data is fixed.
• The HADEX RX1day dataset also should not be used until gridcell averages can be properly recalculated without distance-weighting.
• The use of a subset of models which are selected without any ex-ante criteria damages the credibility of the analysis
• If a probability-based index is going to be used, it should be used on the raw data rather than on averaged data. Using it on grid-cell averages of raw data introduces spurious uncertainties.
• If a probability-based index is going to be used, it needs to be applied uniformly across all gridcells rather than using different distributions a gridcell by gridcell basis.
• No analysis is given to justify the use of “optimal fingerprinting” with non-Gaussian data.
3. Out of the 731 US stations with rainfall data, including Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico, 91% showed no significant change in the extreme rainfall events, either up or down.
4. Of the 340 mainland US stations with 40 years or more of records, 92% showed no significant change in extreme rainfall in either direction.
As a result, I maintain that their results are contrary to the station records, that they have used inappropriate methods, and that they have greatly underestimated the total uncertainties of their results. Thus the conclusions of their paper are not supported by their arguments and methods, and are contradicted by the lack of any visible trend in the overwhelming majority of the station datasets. To date, they have not established their case.
My best regards to all, please use your indoor voices in discussions …
w.
[UPDATE] I’ve put the widely-cited paper by Allen and Tett about “optimal fingerprinting” online here.
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David says:
February 21, 2011 at 5:15 am
“Here is a list of what I have found so far for the 1930 to 1936 or so period I am researching. China, Russia US and Canada are covered, but little else. Thanks in advance.”
I bet there is not much UHI effect in those temps.
Peter Plail says:
February 21, 2011 at 12:37 am
Just to be clear, Peter, we don’t know if they checked or not. If they did, what they did not do is report which test for gaussian normality they used, and the results.
w.
http://www.nature.com/siteindex/index.html
Has a list of all the Nature publications, for example:
Nature
Nature Biotechnology
Nature Cell Biology
Nature Chemical Biology
Nature Chemistry, etc.
Perhaps the Editors should consider adding Nature Lysenkoism to their list ?
e-based papers. How did this ever get published? Oh, yes. Nature.
Malaga View says:
February 21, 2011 at 12:11 am
A beautifully sharp analysis that cuts right through the mumbo jumbo to reveal witch doctors publishing more voodoo in their house magazine.
First Witch: When shall we three meet again
In thunder, lightning, or in rain?
Second Witch: When the hurlyburly’s done,
When the battle’s lost and won.
William Shakespeare, Macbeth, 1.1
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I think Birnam Wood us getting very close to Dunsinane…
Puckster says:
February 21, 2011 at 1:24 am
Thanks, fixed. You might want to work a bit on your delivery, however. I’m not sure what a submission to Nature has to do with a typo, or why the tone of your post.
Or as you put it,
……..I’m just saying…….just a little politeness.
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
February 21, 2011 at 1:29 am
Thanks, kadaka, fixed.
w.
Brilliant work, Willis. You nailed them totally.
I haven’t had time to look through it all, but the first conclusion (which was repeated “because it is important”) it was is invalid.
The aggregate of a lot of data sets that are not individually significant can quite easily be significant. For example, very few if any years by themselves would show statistically significant increase in temperature from the previous year. But a century of such years can show a statistically significant trend.
Or bet red/black on a roulette table 50 times. Rarely would this be statistically different from 50-50. But if you believe that overwhelmingly the odds are no different from 50-50, I would love to go to Las Vegas with you. 🙂
The rest of the article might address this, but it is not encouraging when the first, key conclusion does not follow from the data.
Hi, Willis. Another data problem to be considered has to do with the time of observation.
If an observer takes a 24-hour reading in the afternoon and resets the rain gauge then there is a chance that an afternoon heavy rain (afternoon thunderstorm) will get split between two days in the records. If an observer takes the reading at say midnight or dawn then the risk of splitting a thunderstorm into two days is diminished.
Afternoons, with their heat-driven precipitation tendency, tend to be the time of heavy rain events moreso than the cooler hours.
Over the decades there was, I believe, a move in the US to switch observation times to dawn or midnight. I think that this was the basis for the well-known time-of-observation bias adjustment to the temperature records. Less well known, or not at all known, is the possible impact of the observation time shift on the precipitation records.
At some point in time it’d be good to investigate the data to see if a precipitation TOB truly exists.
Puckster says:
” ……..I’m just saying…….just a little proof reading.”
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Is reading a proof equivalent to proofreading?
Just asking.
Nature Magazine published a paywalled paper…..
Surely they will have to increase the subscription to keep the riff raff out… you know Willis… the ones that ask the awkward questions… the ones that lower the tone of the debate with their off the wall reality checks… the ones that aren’t prepared to wear a collar and Team tie… the ones that aren’t prepared to Hide the Decline in Climate Science… after all it really doesn’t pay to wash your dirty linen in public.
Richard Telford says:
February 21, 2011 at 1:55 am
A couple of comments on that claim:
1. If the Nature article used good data and reasonable methods, you’d be correct, because then we might have a chance of finding a “highly statistically significant change”. I note that rather than acknowledge any of the dozen or so problems with the claim, instead you say that my analysis is weak … might be, Richard, but their analysis is weaker.
2. The MZZH11 study didn’t do the type of analysis you discuss, an average of a large mass of data. Instead, they averaged a large number of unknown transformations (PIs with each using a unique and different distribution) of improperly calculated area-angular weighted averages of non-quality controlled data using unknown coefficients … and since we don’t know the unknowns in that, we cannot say if their results are significant or not.
3. As a result, I was unable to do any sophisticated analysis of their results because they are not replicable as they stand … and even if they were, why would I want to convert data to PIs using a different distribution for each datapoint? That way lies madness.
Thanks for the code, Richard, it’s always useful. You are correct that the average of data of which only a few individual trends are statistically significant may be statistically significant as a whole. There are some problems with your example, however. And curiously, one of them is the same trap the MZZH11 authors fell into. That problem is the requirement that the data be Gaussian for the results to be valid, or as the authors of the package put it:
Since what was averaged in the MZZH11 are PIs, we can be pretty sure that their averages are of samples that do NOT follow independent normal distributions … which means that if the authors had used the exact method that you recommend, their results would still be wrong …
In addition, to do any analysis of the type that you are proposing, we need to look at both the distribution of the data and the distribution of the errors in the data. Your method will only work when (as in your code) both the error and the data are independent and Gaussian (normal). We know the data that they are using is not normal … and we don’t know the nature of the errors, but it is unlikely that they are normal, since the maximum possible negative error is the size of the underlying data point (e.g. rainfall was 20 mm, record says 0 mm), while there is no maximum positive error (e.g. rainfall was 20 mm, record says 1067 mm) … but in either case, if either the data or the errors are non-normal, your method gives incorrect answers.
I use a simple analysis of trends to get an idea of what we are looking at. And in climate science, because of the data quality issues that I have listed above, that may be the best that we can do. Yes, as you point out we can do increasingly selective and specific analyses to dig out tiny signals, we have a whole arsenal of methods to do that (although “optimal fingerprinting” isn’t usually one of them) … but we cannot do that without a very careful analysis of the data that we are using. The problem is that when we look for big differences in the results, it doesn’t matter if there are small problems with the data.
But when there are big problems with the data and we are looking for small differences …
Thanks for your thoughts,
w.
.05 level means that 5 times out of a hundred, you will be accepting a hypothesis you should be rejecting.
When you have several hundreds or thousands of similar tests, you need to check whether the results you think you are interpreting are drawn from the 5% group or the 95% group.
Selecting the 5% group isn’t a valid scientific option
Tim Folkerts says
“The aggregate of a lot of data sets that are not individually significant can quite easily be significant. For example, very few if any years by themselves would show statistically significant increase in temperature from the previous year. But a century of such years can show a statistically significant trend.”
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What made you think this was a one-year trend?
Don V says:
February 21, 2011 at 2:03 am
Don, the problem is not the “simple test of the null hypothesis”. They’ve done that, and reported it. The problem is the huge uncertainties in the data, the grid-cell averaging, the conversion to PIs, and the huge problem of the non-normality of the dataset. With those uncertainties, the “simple test of the null hypothesis” (and indeed the “optimal fingerprinting” method itself) gives meaningless results.
w.
danbo says:
February 21, 2011 at 3:29 am
Figure 1. Extreme 1-day rainfall. New Orleans, Katrina. Photo Source
“I’m not sure where this came from. But see that large body of water at the top, of the source photo. http://www.cces.ethz.ch/projects/hazri/EXTREMES/img/KatrinaNewOrleansFlooded.jpg?hires It’s called lake Pontchartain. It’s the second largest inland body of saltwater in the US. That’s where the water came from. Although it rained, this was a tidal event. Not a rain event.”
It was a broken levee event. A levee at the south extremity of Lake Pontchartrain failed. Neither rain nor tide caused the flooding in New Orleans’ Ninth Ward during Katrina.
Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
February 21, 2011 at 2:43 am
Ummm … because the original paper was published in Nature. It’s also why “Nature” is in the title of the piece. Your speculation is baseless.
w.
Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
February 21, 2011 at 2:38 am
“On Katrina, here’s a clue: don’t build a city below sea level.”
The Old City, aka The Crescent City, is well above sea level and was not touched by flooding during Katrina. The 20th Century city known as the Ninth Ward is what was built below sea level and was flooded because of a failed levee during Katrina. The Old City is called “The Crescent City” because it sits on a crescent shaped ridge that borders the Mississippi.
Richard Telford says:
February 21, 2011 at 1:55 am
only ~ 5% of the US rainfall stations show a significant trend in extreme rainfall. The rest of the nation is not doing anything.
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This is a very weak analysis, of the type beloved by climate “sceptics”.
“If time is a weak predictor of extreme rainfall, then only a few individual stations will have a statistically significant trend, perhaps few more that expected from the Type I error rate. But there may still be a highly significant relationship taking the data en-mass.”
“Climate “sceptics” like this, because they can pick a record and show that there is no *statistically significant* change, ignoring the aggregate data which may show a highly statistically significant change.”
This is remarkably thoughtless criticism of the kind that you must expect from Warmista. Having found that individual stations show no significant trend, he states his preference for aggregated data which does show a trend. That is, he expresses his preference for the analysis that shows a warming signal. DUH! Is that reasoning? Is that analysis? No, it is cheating!
If he is serious what he must do is explain the methodological reasons for using the aggregated data. Of course, this never occurs to him. Getting the “Warmista answer” is all that matters.
danbo says:
February 21, 2011 at 3:29 am
Let’s compare NOAA, emphasis mine:
with your claim:
Although it rained, this was a tidal event. Not a rain event.
Your explanation (tides) would only affect that part of New Orleans that is below sea level … but there were huge areas flooded that were above sea level or storm surge, they were flooded by the rain …
So your claim is that extreme rain had nothing to do with Katrina, it wasn’t a rainfall event, and you’re seriously going to bust me because I used a picture of Katrina, not to prove anything scientific, but simply as an example of what can happen during times of extreme rains?
Dude, you seriously have too much time on your hands … sounds like you’re a smart guy, how about applying that smarts to something further down the page than the picture at the top of an analysis?
w.
Another brilliant dissection Willis. It should be an autopsy but…
Wade says:
February 21, 2011 at 4:56 am
(sarc) Clearly you are new to climate science … the answer is that global warming increases both floods and droughts. And heat waves and cold waves. They’re all a predictable result of global warming. What could be simpler? (/sarc)
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Jit says:
February 21, 2011 at 5:16 am
About three quarters positive, one quarter negative … but remember, there are problems in the raw data, big problems, and we only have about 25 datasets with a significant trend. Given those issues, finding that distribution (one quarter/three quarters) is not surprising.
HADEX use an odd sized gridcell, hang on … OK, their reference says:
At the latitude of the mid-US this would be about 195 miles wide by 150 tall (320 km by 240 km).
Unfortunately, we don’t know how far out they are averaging precipitation. It appears from their data that they may be using the temperature decorrelation data, which hits 50% at about 2000 km (12oo miles), but it’s not clear. Although they give decorrelation lengths (L, in km) for a variety of temperature and rainfall indices (here, Appendix A), they don’t give the decorrelation length for either RX1day or RX5day data. In fact, there is so little correlation between adjacent stations for RX1day that I don’t think a distance/angle calculation is appropriate or accurate … you’d end up with lots of gridcells with no data because there is no rainfall station within 40 km of .
I like the question, don’t have an answer. I think they want to average the data into a single value (e.g. northern hemisphere extreme rainfall PI) so that they can use the “optimal fingerprinting” technique. However, I dislike gridbox averaging for the purpose.
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Richard M says:
February 21, 2011 at 5:36 am
The answer is that they wanted to compare observational data to model results. The model results in question are the 20th century model runs archived at CMIP3, the “20c3m” runs. With a few exceptions, these runs all end in 1999 … so that’s why the study ends in 1999. Regarding the start date, that’s the start of the observational data on rainfall extremes.
I make no accusations of “cherry picking” of the data, they’ve used what they have available.
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Richard M says:
February 21, 2011 at 5:36 am
Start date is the start of the collated observational data, end date is the end of the CMIP3 twentieth century hindcast model runs archived at CMIP3. They haven’t cherry picked the data.
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