Guest Post by Barry Woods
It is my opinion that the BBC in broadcasting the BBC 2 Horizon program ‘Science Under Attack’ did not treat the general public in the UK and at least one of the interviewees with the ‘good faith’ that they should be able to expect from the BBC. After the program aired, I contacted James Delingpole, who was one of the sceptics portrayed in the program and he told me how he was approached to participate by the BBC.
“I am making a film for BBC’s Horizon on public trust in science and I was hoping you may be able to help.” – BBC Producer
However, the programs underlying message to the general public came across to me as that climate science was under attack by climate sceptics or deniers of science who are on a par with those that deny Aids, vaccines and extreme anti GM environmentalist activists.
Yet, in discussion with a NASA scientist, the presenter Professor Paul Nurse apparently makes a gross factual error informing the viewer that annual man-made CO2 emissions are;
seven times
that of the total natural annual emissions. This raised a number of eyebrows and is now subject to some discussion amongst the blogs, including at Bishop Hill.
That such an apparent major error was presented to the public as fact, in the BBC’s flagship science program, should I think raise questions with respect to the handling of all the issues within the program.
Paul Nurse: The scientific consensus is, of course, that the changes we are seeing are caused by emissions of carbon into the atmosphere. But given the complexity of the climate system, how can we be sure that humans are to blame for this?
Bob Bindschadler[NASA]: We know how much fossil fuel we take out of the ground. We know how much we sell. We know how much we burn. And that is a huge amount of carbon dioxide. It’s about seven gigatons per year right now.
Paul Nurse: And is that enough to explain…?
Bob Bindschadler: Natural causes only can produce – yes, there are volcanoes popping off and things like that, and coming out of the ocean, only about one gigaton per year. So there’s just no question that human activity is producing a massively large proportion of the carbon dioxide.
Paul Nurse: So seven times more.
Bob Bindschadler: That’s right.
Paul Nurse: I mean, why do some people say that isn’t the case?
(from a transcript of BBC Horizon – Science Under Attack)
Following the program I contacted James Delingpole and he agreed to a telephone interview about the program. We had a few telephone conversations about the program and he sent me a copy of the email from a BBC producer at the BBC inviting James to participate in the program. (my bold)
“The tone of the film is very questioning but with no preconceptions. On the issue of who is to blame no-one will be left unscathed, whether that is science sceptics, the media or most particularly scientists themselves. Sir Paul is very aware of the culpability of scientists and that will come across in the film. They will not be portrayed as white coated magicians who should be left to work in their ivory towers – their failings will be dealt with in detail.”
– BBC Producer to James Delingpole
The contents of that invitation put the presentation of his interview in the program into a different context. In my opinion it demonstrates bad faith on the part of the BBC in failing to present to the public the details of the sceptical argument about climategate and ‘climate science’ yet allowing those involved to present their defence without serious challenge.
The premise will be ‘This is a turbulent time for science. After the debacles of Climate-gate, GM products and MMR, I want to explore why science isn’t trusted and whether we as scientists are largely to blame’. By looking at these different areas he will dig into the difficult questions of how to deal with uncertainty in science, the communication of this uncertainty, and the difficulties when science meets policy and the media.
– BBC Producer to James Delingpole
The BBC is the UK’s national public service broadcaster (funded by a per household TV Licence) and by its Charter it has a duty to its audience to be fair and balanced.
The Horizon program is the BBC’s flagship science program, so when it uses the weight of the BBC’s authority alongside, Sir Professor Paul Nurse, a Nobel Laureate and the new President of the Royal Society it has a clear responsibilty to the public to fairly present the detail of the sceptical views climate science and the issues around the climategate emails.
My interview with James Delingpole
James actually received a lot of criticism from sceptics for somehow ‘failing’ to get across the sceptical arguments in this program. When I spoke to him his frustration was obvious as he said he had spent three hours talking to Professor Paul Nurse about the detail of the climategate emails, the failings of the inquiries and the many and varied sceptical arguments with respect to man-made climate change.
James said he had explained in detail why sceptics describe the inquiries as whitewashes, this included the vested interest of the participants, the fact that no one actually asked Jones about whether he had deleted emails, the failure of scientists to provide data to critics and journals (as scientific process would expect) the importance of hiding the decline in proxies, the fact that scientist had become advocates for policy.
Yet in the program all that comes across is a fade to voice over where Professor Paul Nurse states that James believes the inquiries were whitewashes. Why not allow the public to consider some of these reason from James Delingpole
Why did Professor Phil Jones say to delete emails? Why did he ask colleagues to delete emails relating to the IPCC reports. And most importantly of all. Why did Phil Jones feel the need to ask colleagues to delete these emails?
Those question surely support James Delingpole’s view that the peer-review process and the IPCC processes had been corrupted.
Another question that has been often asked was, why did James trust the BBC?
To put the interview into context the BBC had received a number of complaints regarding both the BBC’s coverage of Copenhagen and the coverage of the climategate emails. The BBC had seemed genuinely surprised by this response from the public and had even launched a review of how science in the media handled subjects like climate science, vaccines and GM.
The invitation that James received from the BBC to be involved in this program appeared to be very much in this context.
“As an influential blogger on climate change, among other subjects, I’d really like Paul to meet you and chat to you about your views – how you see your role and that more generally the influence of the internet in changing the debate; your views on climate-gate and how that was handled by the media; the failings or otherwise of scientists in communicating the science.”
– BBC Producer to James Delingpole
James said that he had looked forward to this opportunity to discuss and present sceptical issues in the apparent spirit of the invitation.
The ‘trick’ and ‘hide the decline’
The BBC described the ‘trick’ and ‘hide the decline’ as at the crux of the climategate email scandal. Why would they not at least allow a sceptic to voice to the public the sceptical viewpoint on this issue.
Paul Nurse (voice over): Tree rings have been shown to be a good way of measuring ancient temperatures, and they’ve mostly matched instrumental measurements since the advent of thermometers.
However, after about 1960, some tree ring data stopped fitting real temperatures so well. The cause of this isn’t known. When Dr Jones was asked by the World Meteorological Organisation to prepare a graph of how temperatures had changed over the last 1000 years, he had to decide how to deal with this divergence between the datasets.
He decided to use the direct measurements of temperature change from thermometers and instruments rather than indirect data from the tree rings, to cover the period from 1960. It was this data splicing, and his e-mail referring to it as a “trick” that formed the crux of Climategate.
Phil Jones: The Organisation wanted a relatively simple diagram for their particular audience. What we started off doing was the three series, with the instrumental temperatures on the end, clearly differentiated from the tree ring series. But they thought that was too complicated to explain to their audience.
So what we did was just to add them on, and bring them up to the present. And as I say, this was a World Meteorological Organisation statement. It had hardly any coverage in the media at the time, and had virtually no coverage for the next ten years, until the release of the e-mails. (transcript)
The program was supposed to deal with the failure of the presentation of uncertainties regarding climate science, the criticism is that climate science has presented to politicians a narrative of ‘unprecedented’ temperature rise which ‘must be due to humans.
Yet the ‘complication’ that is not explained clearly to the public or politicians, is that temperature proxies declined when modern thermometers showed warming. Even the simplest of politicians could grasp that if the proxies decline when thermometers show warming it reduces their credibility of recording historic temperatures.
Yet somehow it is deemed to complicated, this is a prime example of scientist becoming advocates for policy and presenting the issues as certain when they are not. Remember this was the described purpose of the program.
An interesting response to ‘hide the decline’
James Delingpole wrote in his blog about how the mathematician Simon Singh, the best selling author of ‘Fermat’s Last Theorum’ had tweeted:
Sorry, but @JamesDelingpole deserves mockery ‘cos he has the arrogance to think he knows more of science than a Nobel Laureate
Simon Singh wrote a rebuttal in his own blog, yet in the the comments there arose an excellent rebuttal to the programs description of ‘hide the decline’ from a respected scientist Paul Dennis who is also at the University of East Anglia
Paul Dennis said…
Before I add anything further to the debate I should say that I’m an Isotope Geochemist and Head of the Stable Isotope and Noble Gas Laboratories in the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia. I’ve also contributed to and published a large number of peer-reviewed scientific papers in the general field of palaoclimate studies.
I don’t say this because I think my views should carry any more weight. They shouldn’t. But they show there is a range and diversity of opinion amongst professionals working in this area.
What concerns me about the hide the decline debate is that the divergence between tree ring width and temperature in the latter half of the 20th century points to possibly both a strong non-linear response and threshold type behaviour.
There is nothing particularly different about conditions in the latter half of the 20th century and earlier periods. The temperatures, certainly in the 1960’s, are similar, nutrient inputs may have changed a little and water stress may have been different in some regions but not of a level that has not ben recorded in the past.
Given this and the observed divergence one can’t have any confidence that such a response has not occurred in the past and before the modern instrumental record starting in about 1880.
Paul Dennis was thought by many newspapers to be the potential ‘whistleblower’ of the climategate emails. He commented a few times at Simon Singh’s blog and his identity was confirmed at Bishop Hill
Thus it could be said that on this particular issue at least and that the ‘science is not settled’ even at UEA!
The Conduct of the BBC
I last spoke to James Delingpole after the BBC4 program Meet The Sceptics had been aired that focussed on Christopher Monckton. James had also been involved in the making of this program and had got to know the makers well and trusted them. (from his blog)
“The BBC? Not bloody likely. You’ve come to stitch us up, haven’t you?” I said.
“Not at all,” said Murray. “Look, there’s something you need to realise. I’m an independent filmmaker, I have no big budget for this, so I’m dependent on my work being original and interesting. The very last thing the BBC wants to commission is another hatchet job on sceptics. How boring and predictable would that be?”
Over the next few months I came to like and trust Murray. He was there filming Lord Lawson, Lord Monckton, Lord Leach and me when we debated at the Oxford Union. And he was there to capture our joy and surprise when we won – and to hang out drinking with us, afterwards, like he was our mate.
By this stage, we’d all come to accept that Murray was genuinely interested in presenting our case sympathetically. In fact, I must admit, I was really looking forward to seeing the finished product. “God this is going to be fantastic!” I thought. “At long bloody last, the BBC is going to do the right thing – and at feature length too.” – from James Delingpole’s blog
When I last spoke to him, James was genuinely angry and felt badly let down by the BBC. He had taken part in the making of both programmes in good faith, yet the BBC had basically said to the world in his view, that climate sceptics are deniers and an organised group of these deniers are responsible for stalling political action to ‘save the planet. It appears to me that this was the program makers intention all along.
I asked James if he felt concerned for his safety now, and he said absolutely that was a concern, following how sceptics were depicted in these programmes.
Prior to this program being aired apparently both people at the BBC and Paul Nurse spoke to the Guardian with comments that gives every reason for me to think the program was intended all along to present sceptics in a bad light.
I believe that in this type of BBC science program the public has an expectation that the BBC would present fairly both pro and sceptical arguments on the issues in enough detail to allow the public to take own view. If a respected main stream journalist can be treated like this by the BBC, what hope and expectations of being treated fairly should a member of the public or a blogger (like me – RealClimategate) have of the BBC?
The issue I have with this program and the BBC is not who is right or wrong in climate science, but the failure of the BBC to fairly present in the program the sceptical arguments in detail (which it must be fully aware of) with respect to climate science, the climategate emails and the inquiries to the general public.
I would like to leave the final words to James Delingpole that he said to me (and ones that he left in the comments at Bishop Hill) about why he participated in BBC Horizon – Science Under Attack program and trusted the producers of the BBC 4 program, Storyville – Meet the Sceptics.
Why shouldn’t one have faith in one’s national broadcaster to tell the other side of the story? – James Delingpole
Links/sources:
BBC Horizon -Science Under Attack – transcript
BBC Horizon – Science Under Attack – video (youtube)
The BBC email invitation to James Delingpole (my bold)
From: “Emma” [email address removed by author]
Date: 3 August 2010 19:25:08 GMT+01:00
To: James [email address removed by author]
Subject: BBC Horizon
Dear James
I hope you don’t mind me contacting you on this email address but I was given it by Louise Gray at the Telegraph.
I am making a film for BBC’s Horizon on public trust in science and I was hoping you may be able to help.
The film will explore our current relationship with science, whether we as a society do and should trust it. It is being presented by the nominated President of the Royal Society, Sir Paul Nurse. If he is voted in later this summer he will be taking over the at RS at the end of the year at around the same time the film will be transmitted so it would very much launch his presidency. The premise will be ‘This is a turbulent time for science. After the debacles of Climate-gate, GM products and MMR, I want to explore why science isn’t trusted and whether we as scientists are largely to blame’. By looking at these different areas he will dig into the difficult questions of how to deal with uncertainty in science, the communication of this uncertainty, and the difficulties when science meets policy and the media.
The tone of the film is very questioning but with no preconceptions. On the issue of who is to blame no-one will be left unscathed, whether that is science sceptics, the media or most particularly scientists themselves. Sir Paul is very aware of the culpability of scientists and that will come across in the film. They will not be portrayed as white coated magicians who should be left to work in their ivory towers – their failings will be dealt with in detail.
Now obviously one of the other great areas of contention is when science meets the media. Much as most scientists would like their papers to be published unedited in the mainstream media that obviously does not work. We will be visiting the newsroom of a national newspaper (most likely the Times although we have also been talking to the Telegraph) to explore the realities of where science fits in the news agenda, but I also want to explore the equally important role of the online world.
As an influential blogger on climate change, among other subjects, I’d really like Paul to meet you and chat to you about your views – how you see your role and that more generally the influence of the internet in changing the debate; your views on climate-gate and how that was handled by the media; the failings or otherwise of scientists in communicating the science.
Filming would be on the afternoon of 18 August ideally.
If you are interested please drop me a line or give me a call.
Kind regards
Emma [removed by author]
Producer/Director
BBC Vision Productions

A big issue with the pre 1960 and post 1960 comparisons is the density of the temperature measurements. The selected trees are near the tree line in latitude and altitude. This mean they are far from city sensors and the locations for the temp data in the earlier period.
Which simply means it could have been completely random coincidence that the tree rings in the early period and the temperature readings (sparse and distant) were correlating.
Then, after 1960 where the blanket of temp readings expanded, became more dense and more synchronized to Time of Day for the measurements (i.e., became more accurate), the reality was finally expose – tree rings DO NOT correlate to temperature at all but are driven more by other local factors (like days above freezing and not the amount of delta above freezing, freezing or some other minimal temp being a point where growth occurs).
Under this scenario the correlation pre 1960 is random garbage, not ground truth. Unless the alarmists can prove otherwise (since it is their theory which needs to be proven).
Food for thought, but one sequence is closer to reality and the antiquated tech and methods don’t seem to hint it would be the pre-1960 data.
Jack Greer said:
February 3, 2011 at 5:43 pm
(ZT) “Paul Nurse – President of the Royal Society – if he is interested in truth – will issue a press release apologizing for misleading the public on the amount of human produced CO2 in the atmosphere.”
(JG) First of all, Dr. Bindschadler botched his comment, it should have been caught during editing, and an apology and correction should be issued.
Glad you agree that Paul Nurse misled the public. Not really the sort of thing that you would want the president of the Royal Society to be doing, unless of course the Royal Society were a PR organization for the climatology ‘movement’.
I’m not really sure what you mean about ‘editing’ – wouldn’t you think that the President of the Royal Society would know (at least roughly) what the relative proportions of man made and other forms of CO2 in the atmosphere are? He was making a program loosely based on the ‘science’ of climate change, after all.
There are two possible explanations: Nurse misled the public by accident, in which case he wasn’t particularly well aware of the subject he was dabbling in, and he will issue an apology and correction, as you suggest. Alternatively, Nurse considers himself the President of a PR firm, intent on salvaging the climatology train wreck in the eyes of the media. (In which case the few remaining scientists in the Royal Society would be best advised to leave).
At least Baghdad Bob had dignity, poise, and an evocative turn of phrase.
Once upon a time, I would have attributed confusion, misunderstanding, selective quotation and other honest if mistaken attributes, to statements like what Paul Nurse has made.
But these subjects have been so analysed, I can no longer accept honest mistakes on their behalf. It looks more and more as though they are knowingly lying about many of these subjects.
First, a grammarnasty natter: will people (this means U, George) PLEASE learn that “loose” means untie, or release (as a verb) as in “loose as a goose”? And “lose” means not-win, or be-unable-to-find, rhymes with “use” and “dues”. (Also, “do to” s/b due to, etc.)
On to heap more praise on Mark’s Guidelines. That comment should be linked (it’s the date field under the name) everywhere on every skeptic site. I’ve copied it and saved it permanently.
And AJStrata: the tree rings issue statistically comes to this, doesn’t it: among all the sampled trees, there was bound to be a sub-set of a sub-set, somewhere, that matched a portion of the temp record. They found a few that were close, and one particular tree that was very close. And that’s all that happened — persistence in looking for bogus proxies finally succeeded. Until it didn’t.
P.S. to AJStrata;
Of course, as you point out, “the temp record” wasn’t even the local temp record, which was and is unavailable. So it was really quite brazen curve-fitting-by-snooping.
Smokey
“can you show global harm due to CO2? ”
nobody answers your question because it is ill formed.
The questions are.
1. Will an increase (say doubling) of C02 cause MORE warming than we would see without a doubling?
2. How much warming ( whats the range of possibilities)
3. Who Will that warming harm and how.
4. Who will that warming benefit and how.
5. Can we do anything about it?
6, Should we?
Your question “can you show global harm due to CO2? ” is definately yes. if, for example, the C02 content were to rise to a high enough percent of course there would be harm. you’d die.
So, if you learn to ask better questions, more precise questions, taking care to familiarize yourself with the literature and spend enough time reading as you do commenting, then you can have better conversations
The beautiful thing with this show was that the AIDS denialist came off rather better than Delingpole. He at least seemed sincere in his beliefs, and quite prepared to wear the personal cost of them. Delingpole, on the other hand came out looking like “I” from the movie “Withnall and I”. I’m still left wondering if Delingpole is sincerely deluded, or cynically playing to an audience.
Two unrelated comments:
1. The bias starts in the choice of defenders of the sceptics’ points of view. James Delingpole can be labelled a ‘right-wing blogger’; Lord Monckton was a ‘political advisor to Margaret Thatcher’. The implication being that the sceptic view is only held by the unscientific political right.
2. The decline in tree-ring growth is a major point which has been swept under the carpet. One intersting aspect, not much discussed, is that it seems to be mainly a Northern Hemisphere phenomenon. See:
http://www.climatedata.info/Proxy/Proxy/Proxy/treerings_northern.html
and
http://www.climatedata.info/Proxy/Proxy/Proxy/treerings_southern.html
The AIDs denialist was treated very gently indeed and in my opinion he was there to help add strength to the anti- science denier label that Dellingpole was being branded with.
What no-one seems to have mentioned is that Dellers and Monckton are widely read and heard. They’ll not remember the Beeb with affection and I reckon that neither will lose any opportunity of bringing up the Beeb’s disgraceful conduct. Having heard Monckton speak, which he does frequently to world wide audiences, I bet he won’t lose any oppportunity of trashing the Beeb rather well. I wouldn’t be the least surprise if the Beeb doesn’t actually lose some of its market, especially in the US. I wouldn’t want to make an enemy of either Dellers or Monckton. Also it must be said that although the greenies will continue to listen to the Beeb a high percentage will have angrily turned against it. That can’t be good for sales or come to that, its future.
steven mosher said @ur momisugly February 3, 2011 at 10:35 pm:
“Smokey
“can you show global harm due to CO2? ”
nobody answers your question because it is ill formed.
The questions are.
1. Will an increase (say doubling) of C02 cause MORE warming than we would see without a doubling?
2. How much warming ( whats the range of possibilities)
3. Who Will that warming harm and how.
4. Who will that warming benefit and how.
5. Can we do anything about it?
6, Should we?
Your question “can you show global harm due to CO2? ” is definately yes. if, for example, the C02 content were to rise to a high enough percent of course there would be harm. you’d die.
So, if you learn to ask better questions, more precise questions, taking care to familiarize yourself with the literature and spend enough time reading as you do commenting, then you can have better conversations”
We are told that, for example, that the current weather conditions in far north Queensland are due to increased GHGs. We know that weather conditions in far north Queensland were far worse ~300 yBP. So, unless the laws of physics have changed, the far worse storms of ~300 yBP were also GHG induced. What evidence is there that there were elevated GHGs ~300 yBP? Is that a well-formed question?
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Let me get this straight. A journalist who has spent the last, who knows how many years, attacking the integrity of the climate establishment and the BBC says, he trusted them to do the right thing? Not even a contractual “Allow me to produce my own version” prior to the production?
James, it’s time for you to move on mate. This ain’t your fight. Fish should never swim with sharks.
Hindsight is a fantastic thing isnt it. And yes, I would NEVER trust the BBC when it comes to Mann Made Global Warming ™ simply because the BBC is a fully paid up eco-advocate for Mann Made Global Warming ™.
The BBC is tight with the Met Office, where Harribin seems to be their official spokesman and spends most of his time defending the Met Office.
Also, its rather curious that the BBC can be so incredibly incurious when it comes to Mann Made Global Warming ™, lapping up anything that supports their religion unquestioningly.
As the BBC continues to hide its committment to Mann Made Global Warming ™ by citing that they are exempt from FOI because their decisions are made in forming journalistic standards then it is right to continue question their integrity and dismiss their claims of impatiality!
Until the BBC comes clean over its involvement in Mann Made Global Warming ™ then they should be avoided like the plague.
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When you have invested millions ( and perhaps all ) your pension fund in AGW the boss says anything goes to increase the dividends, the BBC has become what it once would have made a program about propaganda.
Ted said
“OT
Dr Andrew J Weaver allows himself to be introduced on the radio and in the media as one of the world’s leading climate scientists and Climatologist but his bio states he is a climate modeler?”
Mods, I know this is OT, but permit to me to answer this question, if you would.
Andrew Weaver is only a mathematician. He programmed many of the initial models on which many of the IPCC scenarios are based on, but to my knowledge, he has no Climatology degree himself. His models were chosen because they represent the warming the IPCC wants the public to see-the inaccurate ones.
I live in the same city, and know several students who have tried to engage him in debate. He is a bully, known for making accusations of corruption and dishonesty when they contradict his beliefs. He, like many on the AGW bandwagon, is nothing short of an overpaid fraud.
steven mosher,
Playing pedantics over a question is a trait of post normal science and PC nonsense.
Answer this question. Will a doubling or a tripling of CO2 cause harmful effects to our world?
Understanding the saturation of radiation in that bandwidth is almost done. That higher temperatures in the past led to advancement in civilization and that higher CO2 levels are not only beneficial to flora, but evolved with much higher levels and have thus been starved.
So Sir answer the very straight forward question, without fobbing, put forward by a very sincere person on this blog.
ZT,
Baghdad Bob was also a lot less dangerous than Nurse! 🙂
Regards
Mailman
For those of you who are criticising Delingpole for cooperating with the BBC, consider what he would have been accused of if he failed to take part.
He would have been presented as a sceptic who wasn’t even prepared to defend his position when offered an opportunity to do so, and his published comments and broadcasts would have been selectively edited to arrive at the same or worse conclusion by the program makers. The same e-mail which promised a balanced approach to the subject would then have been wheeled out to show how unreasonable his refusal would have been.
Having taken part, and being able to reveal the dishonest promises made in the BBC’s e-mails, enables him to assume the moral high ground. In the process this has revealed to those who want to hear, the illiberal approach to communicating their message taken by the metropolitan liberal “intelligentsia” of the BBC and their acolytes.
The BBC news this morning is that the BBC has apologised for ridiculing Mexicans in a humorous motoring show called “Top Gear”.
Any chance they will apologise for ridiculing climate sceptics?
Smokey says:
February 3, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Jack Greer,
If you’ve read my posts as you say, then you know that I’ve repeatedly asked the same question of numerous believers in CAGW. Interestingly, not one has ever answered it.
As your post shows, the typical response is to divert the question onto another subject. I just want a simple, straightforward answer: can you show global harm due to CO2?
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I think the answer is not yet, but that like saying can you show any long term harm from having one cigarette?
No you probably can’t, however if you keep on having one cigarette a day for the next 20 years there’s lots of evidence that’ll show you the harm it’s caused.
Prevention is better than cure, and usually cheaper too.
PKthinks says: February 4, 2011 at 12:16 am
“The AIDs denialist was treated very gently indeed”
I never questioned the link between Aids and HIV, ok it might have crossed my mind it could be more complex than portrayed, but if you had asked I would have said the link was clearcut and until other evidence arrives that is the proper assumption.
Then you see what people like the BBC do to the science of global warming. They butcher it like Like Eugenicists butchered the science of ethnicity in the 1930s.
And then you realise that if this corrupt science system and broadcasting media can be so wrong on something so simple as the science of causation of 20th century warming … any sensible person would begin to wonder about other “established science” like HIV->AIDS.
It makes you wonder. Is the reason much of science has stagnated in the last 30 or so years due linked to this new-age post-modernist post-normal “science”?
Here’s a hypothesis worth considering?
Did post normal science lead to the slow-down** in scientific development or did the slow-down in scientific development lead to post-normal science?
**I’m using as a criteria the change in the content of introduction course in University physics from 1920-2010. Against which you could argue that development is proceeding apace in areas like genetics.
J. Felton and Ted:
Your should know by now that anyone who is on message is a ‘leading climate scientist’; anyone who questions the message lacks appropriate expertise. 😉
There should be no surprise at the underhanded tactics of the BBC. As Peter Sissons recently confirmed, should any confirmation be necessary, the staff at the BBC, are for the most part at least, of a certain mind set. One not above using its influence to try and bring about solutions of which it politically approves.
James Dellingbole is far from being the first to suffer from its innate deceit, indeed it is possible to state that the British people as a whole are ill served by the national broadcaster, an organisation of which they are forced to fund.
This tragedy is profound, given the outstanding contribution the BBC has made to broadcasting as a whole. Indeed still, some of its drama and sporting coverage has much to commend it, however in the serious field of the documentary and news reporting, there is little to say other than is no longer worthy of being believed.
Jack Greer says:
February 3, 2011 at 5:43 pm
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The current scientific understanding of Earth’s carbon cycles that, at this time, natural carbon emission sources weighed against natural carbon sinks should result in a net reduction in atmospheric CO2 levels. In other word, all (or virtually all) of the accelerating increases in atmospheric CO2 levels in caused by human interventions, primarily by way of burning of fossil fuels and changing land usage.
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This, presumably, is your take on the mass balance argument, which boils down to ‘CO2 is going up, humans are producing more CO2 than the amount it’s going up, therefore the CO2 addition is caused by burning fossil fuel’. Note the non sequitur at the end — the argument says nothing about attribution. I’d add ‘or something else is going on as well’. For example, because the mass balance argument says nothing about absolute numbers or attribution it may be that we are also — for example — destroying carbon-fixing plankton, reducing the breaking of waves and hence mechanical mixing with the upper ocean, releasing methane in the tundra which was previously held by acid rain and which can now be converted to CO2, or it may be we are just seeing a deep current, a tiny bit warmer than usual because of the MWP, heating deep ocean clathrate so that methanophage bacteria can devour it and give off CO2. Or something else is going on as well.
And the sinks are nearly coping.
I find it interesting how every word of the warming doctrine must be defended — the Team does this as well. Anyone would think that their house is made of cards.
JF
(Brian, I’m with you on ‘loose/lose’. If it goes on much longer I’ll forget how to spell them myself.)