Was this part of the inspiration for Obama's SOTU goal: "by 2035, 80% of America’s electricity will come from clean energy sources"?

During last night’s State of the Union Address, president Obama essentially abandoned AGW proponents, and shifted the focus to energy, including uttering the greens most dreaded term: “clean coal”. He also set a bold goal that raised some eyebrows:

I challenge you to join me in setting a new goal: by 2035, 80% of America’s electricity will come from clean energy sources. Some folks want wind and solar. Others want nuclear, clean coal, and natural gas. To meet this goal, we will need them all – and I urge Democrats and Republicans to work together to make it happen.

I’m wondering if this idea from Standford might have been part of the thinking at the White House. In this presser, the implementation timelines are about the same, and both make references to the U.S. space program. Stanford mentions the moon landings, Obama mentions “…our generation’s Sputnik moment.”

From Stanford University:

The world can be powered by alternative energy, using today’s technology, in 20-40 years

VIDEO: A new study — co-authored by Stanford researcher Mark Z. Jacobson and UC-Davis researcher Mark A. Delucchi — analyzing what is needed to convert the world’s energy supplies to clean and sustainable sources says that it can be done with today’s technology at costs roughly comparable to conventional energy. But converting will be a massive undertaking on the scale of the moon landings. What is needed most is the societal and political will to make it happen.

If someone told you there was a way you could save 2.5 million to 3 million lives a year and simultaneously halt global warming, reduce air and water pollution and develop secure, reliable energy sources – nearly all with existing technology and at costs comparable with what we spend on energy today – why wouldn’t you do it?

According to a new study coauthored by Stanford researcher Mark Z. Jacobson, we could accomplish all that by converting the world to clean, renewable energy sources and forgoing fossil fuels.

“Based on our findings, there are no technological or economic barriers to converting the entire world to clean, renewable energy sources,” said Jacobson, a professor of civil and environmental engineering. “It is a question of whether we have the societal and political will.”

He and Mark Delucchi, of the University of California-Davis, have written a two-part paper in Energy Policy in which they assess the costs, technology and material requirements of converting the planet, using a plan they developed.

The world they envision would run largely on electricity. Their plan calls for using wind, water and solar energy to generate power, with wind and solar power contributing 90 percent of the needed energy.

Geothermal and hydroelectric sources would each contribute about 4 percent in their plan (70 percent of the hydroelectric is already in place), with the remaining 2 percent from wave and tidal power.

Vehicles, ships and trains would be powered by electricity and hydrogen fuel cells. Aircraft would run on liquid hydrogen. Homes would be cooled and warmed with electric heaters – no more natural gas or coal – and water would be preheated by the sun.

Commercial processes would be powered by electricity and hydrogen. In all cases, the hydrogen would be produced from electricity. Thus, wind, water and sun would power the world.

The researchers approached the conversion with the goal that by 2030, all new energy generation would come from wind, water and solar, and by 2050, all pre-existing energy production would be converted as well.

“We wanted to quantify what is necessary in order to replace all the current energy infrastructure – for all purposes – with a really clean and sustainable energy infrastructure within 20 to 40 years,” said Jacobson.

One of the benefits of the plan is that it results in a 30 percent reduction in world energy demand since it involves converting combustion processes to electrical or hydrogen fuel cell processes. Electricity is much more efficient than combustion.

That reduction in the amount of power needed, along with the millions of lives saved by the reduction in air pollution from elimination of fossil fuels, would help keep the costs of the conversion down.

Mark Jacobson analyzed what is needed to convert the world's energy supplies to clean and sustainable sources and says that it can be done with today's technology at costs roughly comparable to conventional energy. Credit: L.A. Cicero, Stanford University News Service

“When you actually account for all the costs to society – including medical costs – of the current fuel structure, the costs of our plan are relatively similar to what we have today,” Jacobson said.

One of the biggest hurdles with wind and solar energy is that both can be highly variable, which has raised doubts about whether either source is reliable enough to provide “base load” energy, the minimum amount of energy that must be available to customers at any given hour of the day.

Jacobson said that the variability can be overcome.

“The most important thing is to combine renewable energy sources into a bundle,” he said. “If you combine them as one commodity and use hydroelectric to fill in gaps, it is a lot easier to match demand.”

Wind and solar are complementary, Jacobson said, as wind often peaks at night and sunlight peaks during the day. Using hydroelectric power to fill in the gaps, as it does in our current infrastructure, allows demand to be precisely met by supply in most cases. Other renewable sources such as geothermal and tidal power can also be used to supplement the power from wind and solar sources.

“One of the most promising methods of insuring that supply matches demand is using long-distance transmission to connect widely dispersed sites,” said Delucchi. Even if conditions are poor for wind or solar energy generation in one area on a given day, a few hundred miles away the winds could be blowing steadily and the sun shining.

“With a system that is 100 percent wind, water and solar, you can’t use normal methods for matching supply and demand. You have to have what people call a supergrid, with long-distance transmission and really good management,” he said.

Another method of meeting demand could entail building a bigger renewable-energy infrastructure to match peak hourly demand and use the off-hours excess electricity to produce hydrogen for the industrial and transportation sectors.

Using pricing to control peak demands, a tool that is used today, would also help.

Jacobson and Delucchi assessed whether their plan might run into problems with the amounts of material needed to build all the turbines, solar collectors and other devices.

They found that even materials such as platinum and the rare earth metals, the most obvious potential supply bottlenecks, are available in sufficient amounts. And recycling could effectively extend the supply.

“For solar cells there are different materials, but there are so many choices that if one becomes short, you can switch,” Jacobson said. “Major materials for wind energy are concrete and steel and there is no shortage of those.”

Jacobson and Delucchi calculated the number of wind turbines needed to implement their plan, as well as the number of solar plants, rooftop photovoltaic cells, geothermal, hydroelectric, tidal and wave-energy installations.

They found that to power 100 percent of the world for all purposes from wind, water and solar resources, the footprint needed is about 0.4 percent of the world’s land (mostly solar footprint) and the spacing between installations is another 0.6 percent of the world’s land (mostly wind-turbine spacing), Jacobson said.

One of the criticisms of wind power is that wind farms require large amounts of land, due to the spacing required between the windmills to prevent interference of turbulence from one turbine on another.

“Most of the land between wind turbines is available for other uses, such as pasture or farming,” Jacobson said. “The actual footprint required by wind turbines to power half the world’s energy is less than the area of Manhattan.” If half the wind farms were located offshore, a single Manhattan would suffice.

Jacobson said that about 1 percent of the wind turbines required are already in place, and a lesser percentage for solar power.

“This really involves a large scale transformation,” he said. “It would require an effort comparable to the Apollo moon project or constructing the interstate highway system.”

“But it is possible, without even having to go to new technologies,” Jacobson said. “We really need to just decide collectively that this is the direction we want to head as a society.”

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Jacobson is the director of Stanford’s Atmosphere/Energy Program and a senior fellow at Stanford’s Woods Institute for the Environment and the Precourt Institute for Energy.

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jaypan
January 27, 2011 7:36 am

why do it when the Himalayan glaciers will be gone by then already? /sarc-off

Harold Ambler
January 27, 2011 7:36 am

As I have noted previously, I went to high school with Mark, who was an exceedingly strong math and science student (and tennis player, by the way). The fact that he went on to receive his Ph.D. in Meteorology from UCLA and believes that wind peaks at night is, in a word, astonishing. This confirms my belief that the warmist camp stares at computer screens too much and spends too little time outdoors.

January 27, 2011 7:38 am

Murray Duffin says:
January 27, 2011 at 6:50 am
All you negative Know-alls should really try doing detailed research and quantification, and some should learn how to read carefully. Jamie’s observation above is typical. He compares total space occupied by the wind farm to the authors’ total space occupied by the turbines.

Indeed. How silly for Jamie to assume that wind turbines will require any spacing at all. Any smart engineer knows that these wind farms could have used 80% less land by simply building the turbines with interlocking blades. It’s not as if downwind turbines would be less efficient due to turbulent wind flow. /sarc

RHS
January 27, 2011 7:38 am

I wish I could remember off hand the amount of energy required to separate Hydrogen from Oxygen. I do remember it is quite a bit. But more importantly is, separating the 2H from 1 O is another drain on the most important resource on this planet, clean drinkable WATER!!!

January 27, 2011 7:44 am

Buddenbrook says:
January 27, 2011 at 7:31 am
With more and more greens now admitting that solar and wind can become major energy sources only when linked to continent wide supergrids to balance out the irregularities in supply, isn’t this then the golden question on which the whole green vision now hinges?
Are supergrids achievable?

Of course supergrids are achievable. The “super conductor” conducting lines simply need to be cooled by liquid hydrogen in order to reduce energy loss over such long distances.
When these researchers used the term “today’s technology” you knew they meant “today’s laboratory technology which is yet unproven on a large scale in the field” right?

RonPE
January 27, 2011 7:47 am

California Dreamin’!

randomengineer
January 27, 2011 7:49 am

The idea of “factoring all costs thus it’s equal” thing is where you start to lose which shell is hiding the pea. The “all costs” will invariably include nonsense numbers of death claimed by greens re pollution…. e.g. greens like to claim that tens of millions die in the US alone each year due to various forms of pollution such as CO2. In their world various cancers aren’t the result of virii (in the real world they are) but fuzzy claims and inventions (stress, exposure to smog, etc.) Epidemiology gone wild. When you make up numbers from pure conjecture it’s easy to balance the books.
Ultimately this is little more than variant #16 of the claim that corporations are bad and gas engines are killing us all. It just has a frilly frock on it.

Don Shaw
January 27, 2011 7:49 am

With help from NASA we can accomplish anything
http://www.investors.com/EditorialCartoons/Cartoon.aspx?id=561086

January 27, 2011 7:54 am

Overall, it’s frightening that this engineer from Stanford claims that all of this can be paid for by reducing the few cases of asthma that could possibly be blamed on emissions from power generators.

oeman50
January 27, 2011 7:57 am

I attempted to get a copy of the study to see what the professors’ assumptions were, but it was behind a paywall. As an engineer with 35 years in the utility industry (now working on GHGs and renewables) I find many of the claims and assumptions made by such studies are self serving and unrealizable in the real world. Most power companies are required to maintain a reliable power supply at a reasonable cost. Just look at what happens when a totally justified fuel charge causes a rate increase, I call it the “Alpo moment.” They always trot out grandma, who can’t afford the rate increase, and claim that she will have to eat dog food because of the rate increase. Try implementing this scheme on a grand scale and see how much Alpo’s stock goes up.

Bob Barker
January 27, 2011 8:05 am

Perfect looks so much better than reality. They better take a look at the reality of wind and solar in Europe. Agenda driven people can be very dangerous to the general welfare.

January 27, 2011 8:06 am

Harold Ambler says:
January 27, 2011 at 7:36 am
As I have noted previously, I went to high school with Mark, who was an exceedingly strong math and science student (and tennis player, by the way). The fact that he went on to receive his Ph.D. in Meteorology from UCLA and believes that wind peaks at night is, in a word, astonishing. This confirms my belief that the warmist camp stares at computer screens too much and spends too little time outdoors.

Of course what people could do is look at some data…. not models!
Would your friend be interested in seeing some real data about when the wind blows? On average of course…
http://ontariowindperformance.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/chapter-3-1-powering-ontario/
There is lots more on that site, and I link to the data and an earlier paper at the bottom of the article.
The Seciton “A year in the Life” clearly shows that there is not much of a peak and it is in late afternoon — if anything…
Surprisingly, maximum wind power does not occur at night… But then at least you knew that!

otter17
January 27, 2011 8:20 am

“During last night’s State of the Union Address, president Obama essentially abandoned AGW proponents, and shifted the focus to energy, including uttering the greens most dreaded term: “clean coal”. He also set a bold goal that raised some eyebrows: ”
To insinuate that President Obama has abandoned AGW proponents is ridiculous. Is there any evidence that the White House has changed its position? Press release, interview, etc? Also, it is quite the blanket statement to say “clean coal” is the greens most dreaded term. This type of non-sensical political mumbling simply serves to hurt the points brought up in this blog.
“I’m wondering if this idea from Standford might have been part of the thinking at the White House. In this presser, the implementation timelines are about the same, and both make references to the U.S. space program. Stanford mentions the moon landings, Obama mentions “…our generation’s Sputnik moment.””
Who cares if the White House got the idea for this type of plan from Professors Jacobson and Delucchi? I’m sure they would be delighted that their idea has some traction with the federal government. The point is that there is an ambitious plan here to help fund a substantial amount of new energy sources to be brought online. I’m an electrical engineer that has been looking into renewables for some time, and wind/solar/geothermal would be a great kick in the pants for the electric utilities. This type of infrastructure focus could finally bring about transmission line upgrades that would be nice for both renewables and national security. This transition to renewables would be a great step towards a world that can sustain human technological development for centuries to come. There may be some kinks to work out here and there, but the fledgling electric industry had issues to deal with as well. Nevertheless, ingenuity and the courage to try things out prevailed then as it can now.
So, great reference article, but useless commentary.

January 27, 2011 8:27 am

Murray Duffin says:
January 27, 2011 at 6:50 am
All you negative Know-alls should really try doing detailed research and quantification…
For ICE cars, petroleum energy in the ground to wheel to road energy is about 15% efficient. Renewable to hydrogen to fuel cell to motor to wheel can be 50% efficient. (In this case the technology is not quite there yet). Overall, simply moving to renewables reduces the primary energy needed by at least 50%.

We Know-alls certainly understand the folly of your logic.
Given your brand of logic, someone could claim that we could use at least 50% less energy to heat our homes if we simply switched to electric heat. After all, electric heat is 100% efficient inside the home whereas gas/oil heat are less than 50% efficient inside the home. Such a claim completely ignores the inefficiency of getting electricity inside the home.
Your claim completely ignores the inefficiency of producing the hydrogen and getting it inside the vehicle. Here’s the reality, a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is much less efficient than a gasoline/diesel powered vehicle OVERALL.
I’m not saying there aren’t some advantages to hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. If oil/natgas is in short supply, yet we had plenty of electrical power generation, then hydrogen might be a method for making up for the short supply. But one could never claim that it’s more efficient.

Murray Duffin
January 27, 2011 8:36 am

Wobble, the point is that most of the space between the turbines is either useable for crops or grazing, or the wind farm is on otherwise unused land like ridgelines or desert. If memory serves only 6% of the windfarm land is occupied by turbines and access roads.
And yes, clean coal is feasable, at a power plant initial cost about 20% higher than conventional dirty plants. We have some very intelligent and well qualified people at Stanford, one of America’s elite universities, with access to vast amounts of data, and supported by some of the country’s best graduate students, and you turkeys that haven’t got past your a priori convictions know more than they do. Give me a break.

Murray Duffin
January 27, 2011 8:43 am

Oh yeah, and we can’t build 4 million wind turbines a year, in an economy that builds 15 million cars a year. Why would we build 4 million per year? Note that in the USA we use about 100 quads of energy per year. If we replace 70% with renewables we need < 25 quads of renewables. 60% wind would be 15 quads. Fifteen quads of wind power by 2035 would require 750,000 turbines, or 30,000 per year starting now. Big deal.

January 27, 2011 9:04 am

Mike says:
January 26, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Cap & trade would have been a more efficient market friendly way to approach the need to convert to low-CO2 emission energy, but the Republicans are insisting on the Big Government approach.
You forgot the 🙂 or (sarc off) after your entry.

January 27, 2011 9:20 am

Murray Duffin says:
January 27, 2011 at 8:36 am
Wobble, the point is that most of the space between the turbines is either useable for crops or grazing, or the wind farm is on otherwise unused land like ridgelines or desert. If memory serves only 6% of the windfarm land is occupied by turbines and access roads.

Roscoe Wind Farm occupies 100,000 acres which is 156 square miles. 6% of 156 is about 9 square miles. Manhattan is 23 square miles. So, using your 6% number, an actual footprint the size of Manhattan could fit about 2.5 Roscoe Wind Farms – which would have the ability (when the wind is blowing) to generate about 2,000 MW – which is less than 1% of the peak summer of 2009 demand in contiguous US.

Jeff K
January 27, 2011 9:21 am

The environmentalists will be after this guy for the blasphemy of wanting to save 3 million human lives; doesn’t he realize that the planet is overpopulated as it is. /sarc

Mkelley
January 27, 2011 9:33 am

More assault on our energy supplies by this administration: http://www.dailymail.com/News/201101261312

DCC
January 27, 2011 9:37 am

“I’m wondering if this idea from Standford [sic] might have been part of the thinking at the White House. In this presser[?], the implementation time lines are about the same, and both make references to the U.S. space program.”
Anthony, I’ve been reading your blog for years, but please don’t assume I know all the buzzwords – like presser. That word, within short-term memory distance of “Standford” sent me Googling for both words. Press release is easier to understand. And shouldn’t there be an earlier link to Stan[d]ford than after two references?

DD More
January 27, 2011 9:38 am

“Aircraft would run on liquid hydrogen. ”
I believe this was tried before, ie the zeppelin age came to an end that rainy day at Lakehurst. But perhaps, after 35 years of accidents and disasters — the crashes of LZ-4, LZ-5, Deutschland, Deutschland II, Schwaben, R-38, R-101, Shenandoah, Akron, Macon, and the list goes on — perhaps the public had just had enough.
Oh, the Humanity!

An Inquirer
January 27, 2011 9:42 am

Maybe we are already on the verge of meeting President Obama’s goal. He implies that the goal will be reached when 80% of the electricity comes from wind, solar, nuclear, clean coal, natural gas, [and tidal power and geothermal . . .]. Apparently, oil doesn’t count, but it accounts for only 3% of electric generation. Nuclear, natural gas, wind, solar and such account for over 47% of electric generation. So we are only 33% away from the goal. If we could get 66% of coal to be classified as clean coal. Then we have achieved the 80% goal. What company labels its coal plant as dirty coal? With upgrades, replacements, efficiency improvements, scrubbers, etc., to coal plants over the next 24 years, it would not be hard to imagine that according to government definitions, we will have achieved the goal — especially if we build a few nuclear plants.

January 27, 2011 9:49 am

wobble says:
January 27, 2011 at 9:20 am
Roscoe Wind Farm occupies 100,000 acres which is 156 square miles. 6% of 156 is about 9 square miles. Manhattan is 23 square miles. So, using your 6% number, an actual footprint the size of Manhattan could fit about 2.5 Roscoe Wind Farms – which would have the ability (when the wind is blowing) to generate about 2,000 MW – which is less than 1% of the peak summer of 2009 demand in contiguous US.

According to Wiki they supply 781 faceplate value — the efficiency at best is about 30% more likely 26% and probably as low as 22% a good part of the time…
See here…
http://www.power-technology.com/projects/roscoe-wind-farm/
So I think that suggesting Roscoe (Original) supplies (typically)somewhere between 234 and 172MW would be generous… There will be good days and bad days of course.
So that would be 420MW to 585MW…. typical instantaneous draw.
That is actually not very impressive for the amount of land used.
… I wrote the code and built the databases for the original studies on Ontario production so I am used to working these numbers…
If you click on my name (link) and find the Powering Ontario section you will also find some numbers that show that wind power production is correlated over wide areas.
Wind is not terribly practical — but it generates great subsidy cheques…
Hope that helps.

January 27, 2011 9:54 am

Murray Duffin says:
January 27, 2011 at 8:43 am
Oh yeah, and we can’t build 4 million wind turbines a year, in an economy that builds 15 million cars a year.

Welll… considering that you are probably looking at $2M to $3M per turbine, plus a somewhat more complicated “installation procedure” — not to mention road building and environmental studies and municipal approvals…. Then of course you need the supporting grid in place — the transmission lines, the transformers the switching stations and a few other minor details that typically amount to $100’s of millions on this scale — probably $100B’s increments… then it could get exciting to finance.
Go for it. But I suspect a lot of people would not want you handling their money.
It is a different scale of project you know… 🙂