Do solar scientists STILL think that recent warming is too large to explain by solar activity?

 

Guest post by Alec Rawls

Study of the sun-climate link was energized in 1991 by Friis-Christensen and Lassen, who showed a strong correlation between solar-cycle length and global temperature:

This evidence that much of 20th century warming might be explained by solar activity was a thorn in the side of the newly powerful CO2 alarmists, who blamed recent warming on human burning of fossil fuels. That may be why Lassen and Thejll were quick to offer an update as soon as the 1997-98 El Nino made it look as if temperatures were suddenly skyrocketing:

The rapid temperature rise recently seems to call for a quantitative revisit of the solar activity-air temperature association …

We conclude that since around 1990 the type of Solar forcing that is described by the solar cycle length model no longer dominates the long-term variation of the Northern hemisphere land air temperature.

In other words, there was now too much warming to account for by solar cycle length, so some other factor, such as CO2, had to be driving the most recent warming. Of course everyone knew that the 1998 warming had actually been caused by ocean oscillations. Even lay people knew it. (El Nino storm tracks were all the news for six months here in California.)

When Lassen was writing his update in mid ’99, temperatures had already dropped back to 1990 levels. His 8 year update was outdated before it was published. 12 years later the 2010 El Nino year shows the same average temperature as the ’98 El Nino year, and if post-El Nino temperatures continue to fall off the way they did in 99, we’ll be back to 1990 temperatures by mid-2011. Isn’t it about time Friis-Cristensen, Lassen and Thejll issued another update? Do they still think there has been too much recent warming to be accounted for by solar activity?

The most important update may be the discovery that, where Lassen and his colleagues found a correlation between the length of a solar-cycle and temperatures over that cycle, others have been finding a much stronger correlation to temperatures over the next cycle (reported at WUWT this summer by David Archibald).

This further correlation has the advantage of allowing us make projections. As Archibald deciphers Solheim’s Norwegian:

since the period length of previous cycle (no 23) is at least 3 years longer than for cycle no 22, the temperature is expected to decrease by 0.6 – 1.8 degrees over the following 10-12 years.

Check out this alarming graphic from Stephen Strum of Frontier Weather Inc:

Lagged solar cycle length and temp, Stephen Strum, Frontier Weather Inc.

The snowed in Danes might like to see these projections, before they bet the rest of their climate eggs on a dangerous war against CO2.

From sins of omission to sins of commission

In 2007, solar scientist Mike Lockwood told the press about some findings he and Claus Frohlich had just published:

In 1985, the Sun did a U-turn in every respect. It no longer went in the right direction to contribute to global warming. We think it’s almost completely conclusive proof that the Sun does not account for the recent increases in global warming.

Actually, solar cycle 22, which began in 1986, was one of the most intense on record (part of the 20th century “grand maximum” that was the most active sun of the last 11 thousand years), and by almost every measure it was more intense than solar cycle 21. It had about the same sunspot numbers as cycle 21 (Hathaway 2006):

Sunspot prediction, NASA-Hathaway, 2006

Cycle 22 ran more solar flux than cycle 21 (via Nir Shaviv):

Cycle 22 was shorter than cycle 21 (from Joseph D’Aleo):

Solar cycle length, from Joseph D'Aleo

Perhaps most important is solar activity as measured (inversely) by the cosmic ray flux (which many think is mechanism by which solar activity drives climate). Here cycle 22 is THE most intense in the 60 year record, stronger even than cycle 19, the sunspot number king. From the Astronomical Society of Australia:

Neutron counts, Climaz Colorado, with sunspots, Univ. of Chicago

Some “U-turn in every respect.”

If Lockwood and Frohlich simply wanted to argue that the peak of the modern maximum of solar activity was between solar cycles 21 and 22 it would be unobjectionable. What difference does it make exactly when the peak was reached? But this is exactly where their real misdirection comes in. They claim that the peak of solar activity marks the point where any solar-climate effect should move from a warming to a cooling direction. Here is the abstract from their 2007 Royal Society article:

Abstract There is considerable evidence for solar influence on the Earth’s pre-industrial climate and the Sun may well have been a factor in post-industrial climate change in the first half of the last century. Here we show that over the past 20 years, all the trends in the Sun that could have had an influence on the Earth’s climate have been in the opposite direction to that required to explain the observed rise in global mean temperatures.

In order to assert the need for some other explanation for recent warming (CO2), they are claiming that near peak levels of solar activity cannot have a warming effect once they are past the peak of the trend—that it is not the level of solar activity that causes warming or cooling, but the change in the level—which is absurd.

Ken Gregory has the most precise answer to this foolishness. His “climate smoothing” graphic shows how the temperature of a heat sink actually responds to a fall-off in forcing:

Gregory, climate smoothing, contra-Lockwood

“Note that the temperature continues to rise for several years after the Sun’s forcing starts to decrease.”

Gregory’s numbers here are arbitrary. It could be many years before a fall off in forcing causes temperatures to start rising. In the case of solar cycle 22—where if solar forcing was actually past its peak, it had only fallen off a tiny bit—the only way temperature would not keep rising over the whole solar cycle is if global temperature had already equilibrated to peak solar forcing, which Lockwood and Frohlich make no argument for.

The obvious interpretation of the data is that we never did reach equilibrium temperatures, allowing grand maximum levels of solar activity to continue to warm the planet until the sun suddenly went quiet. Now there’s an update for Lockwood and Frohlich. How about telling the public when solar activity really did do “U” (October 2005).

Usoskin, Benestad, and a host of other solar scientists also mistakenly assume that temperature is driven by trend instead of level

Maybe it is because so much of the evidence for a sun-climate link comes from correlation studies, which look for contemporaneous changes in solar activity and temperature. Surely the scientists who are doing these studies all understand that there is no possible mechanism by which the rate of change in solar activity can itself drive temperature. If temperature changes when solar activity changes, it is because the new LEVEL of solar activity has a warming or cooling effect.

Still, a remarkable number of these scientists say things like this (from Usoskin et al. 2005):

The long term trends in solar data and in northern hemisphere temperatures have a correlation coefficient of about 0.7 — .8 at a 94% — 98% confidence level. …

… Note that the most recent warming, since around 1975, has not been considered in the above correlations. During these last 30 years the total solar irradiance, solar UV irradiance and cosmic ray flux has not shown any significant secular trend, so that at least this most warming episode must have another source.

Set aside the other problems with Usoskin’s study. (The temperature record he compared his solar data to is Michael Mann’s “hockey stick.”) How can he claim overwhelming evidence for a sun-climate link, while simultaneously insisting that steady peak levels of solar activity can’t create warming? If steady peak levels coincide with warming, it supposedly means the sun-climate link is now broken, so warming must be due to some other cause, like CO2.

It is hard to believe that scientists could make such a basic mistake, and Usoskin et al. certainly have powerful incentive to play dumb: to pretend that their correlation studies are finding physical mechanisms by which it is changes in the level of solar activity, rather than the levels themselves, that drive temperature. Just elide this important little nuance and presto, modern warming gets misattributed to CO2, allowing these researchers to stay on the good side of the CO2 alarmists who control their funding. Still, the old adage is often right: never attribute to bad motives what can just as well be explained by simple error.

And of course there can be both.

RealClimate exchange on trend vs. level confusion

Finally we arrive at the beginning, for me anyway. I first came across trend-level confusion 5 years ago at RealClimate. Rasmus Benestad was claiming that, because post 1960’s levels of Galactic Cosmic Radiation have not been trending downwards, GCR cannot be the cause of post-60’s warming.

But solar activity has been well above historical norms since the 40’s. It doesn’t matter what the trend is. The solar-wind is up. According to the GCR-cloud theory, that blows away the GCR, which blows away the clouds, creating warming. The solar wind doesn’t have to KEEP going up. It is the LEVEL that matters, not the trend. Holy cow. Benestad was looking at the wrong derivative (one instead of zero).

A few months later I took an opportunity to state my rebuttal as politely as possible, which elicited a response from Gavin Schmidt. Here is our 2005 exchange:

Me: Nice post, but the conclusion: “… solar activity has not increased since the 1950s and is therefore unlikely to be able to explain the recent warming,” would seem to be a non-sequitur.

What matters is not the trend in solar activity but the level. It does not have to KEEP going up to be a possible cause of warming. It just has to be high, and it has been since the forties.

Presumably you are looking at the modest drop in temperature in the fifties and sixties as inconsistent with a simple solar warming explanation, but it doesn’t have to be simple. Earth has heat sinks that could lead to measured effects being delayed, and other forcings may also be involved. The best evidence for causality would seem to be the long term correlations between solar activity and temperature change. Despite the differences between the different proxies for solar activity, isn’t the overall picture one of long term correlation to temperature?

[Response: You are correct in that you would expect a lag, however, the response to an increase to a steady level of forcing is a lagged increase in temperature and then a asymptotic relaxation to the eventual equilibrium. This is not what is seen. In fact, the rate of temperature increase is rising, and that is only compatible with a continuing increase in the forcing, i.e. from greenhouse gases. – gavin]

Gavin admits here that it’s the level of solar activity, not the trend in solar activity, that drives temperature. He’s just assuming that grand maximum levels of solar forcing should have bought the planet close to equilibrium temperature before post-80’s warming hit, but that assumption is completely unwarranted. If solar activity is driving climate (the hypothetical that Schmidt is analyzing), we know that it can push temperatures a lot higher than they are today. Surely Gavin knows about the Viking settlement of Greenland.

The rapid warming in the late 90’s could easily have been caused by the monster solar cycle 22 and there is no reason to think that another big cycle wouldn’t have brought more of the same. Two or three more cycle 22s and we might have been hauling out the longships, which would be great. No one has ever suggested that natural warming is anything but benign. Natural cooling bad, natural warming good. But alas, a longer grand maximum was not to be.

Gavin’s admission that it is level not trend that drives temperature change is important because ALL of the alarmist solar scientists are making the trend-level mistake. If they would admit that the correct framework is to look at the level of forcing and the lapse to equilibrium then they would be forced to look at the actual mechanisms of forcing and equilibration, instead of ignoring key forcings on the pretense that steady peak levels of forcing cannot cause warming.

That’s the big update that all of our solar scientists need to make. They need to stop tolerating this crazy charade that allows the CO2 alarmists to ignore the impact of decades of grand maximum solar activity and misattribute the resulting warming to fossil fuel burning. It is a scientific fraud of the most disastrous proportions, giving the eco-lunatics the excuse they need to unplug the modern world.

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Gerard
January 3, 2011 2:59 am

Personally I think the Lockwood and Frohlich article to be one of the dumbest and at the same time most influential papers in climatology – responsible as it is for playing down the role of the sun. I agree with the author of the piece above in its shortcomings: the difference between the direction of solar activity and the level of solar activity. I always use the anology with a wooden rain barrel with some little holes in it. The level of water in it can still rise if amount of rainfal decreases but still is above average. Gavin is right however that the amount of rise will decrease. But that is in a simple system. Climate is not one of those and we have not enough knowledge of all the cycles in our climate and the lag times induced by them.
At the same time that lack of knowledge applies for both sides of the debate so some toning down would make this a stronger piece

RR Kampen
January 3, 2011 3:08 am

“12 years later the 2010 El Nino year shows the same average temperature as the ’98 El Nino year”
So 2010 did. The difference being the super Niño of 1998 covered the calendar year and the moderate recent Niño tapered off during summer 2010. The fact that 2010 managed to attain almost 1998 levels is hard empirical evidence for global warming.

January 3, 2011 3:10 am

Alec Rawls wrote in the post: “Ken Gregory has the most precise answer to this foolishness. His ‘climate smoothing’ graphic shows how the temperature of a heat sink actually responds to a fall-off in forcing…”
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/gregory-climate-smoothing-contra-lockwood.gif
Ken Gregory’s explanation of the “climate smoothing” graph you linked does not provide a “precise answer” as you state. He actually admits it is conjecture when he writes in explanation, “Below is a graph showing a hypothetical increase followed by a decrease in the Sun’s forcing, and the resulting temperature change. The graph is only for illustrative purposes to show the climate smoothing and time lag effects on temperature. The units are arbitrary. Here I assume the temperature of a given year is effected by the Sun’s forcing over the previous 24 years such that each prior year has 85% of the weighting of the next year.”
He only presented this conjecture for one cycle, so your assumption that this is “precise” is a stretch.
You wrote in the post, “Check out this alarming graphic from Stephen Strum of Frontier Weather Inc…”
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/lagged-solar-cycle-length-and-temp-stephen-strum-frontier-weather-inc.png
The U.S. temperature data in Stephen Strum’s “alarming” graph ends around 2007, Alec. Did U.S. temperatures drop like the solar cycle graph did? Nope. The correlation fell apart. U.S. temperatures dropped a little, but are nowhere near the solar cycle length data in your graph:
http://i55.tinypic.com/wvo3th.jpg
This is why Stephen Strum qualified the graph you used with the following, “While temperature anomalies will likely not decline as much as might be suggested by the solar cycle length curve, the long solar cycle could at least help to drive North America temperature anomalies back down towards the long‐term average.”
You wrote in the post, “Actually, solar cycle 22, which began in 1986, was one of the most intense on record (part of the 20th century “grand maximum” that was the most active sun of the last 11 thousand years), and by almost every measure it was more intense than solar cycle 21. It had about the same sunspot numbers as cycle 21 (Hathaway 2006):” You wrote that in response to Mike Lockwood’s comment, “In 1985, the Sun did a U-turn in every respect. It no longer went in the right direction to contribute to global warming. We think it’s almost completely conclusive proof that the Sun does not account for the recent increases in global warming.”
If you had smoothed the sunspot data with an 11-year filter, you would have noted what Lockwood was discussing:
http://i52.tinypic.com/xbmut5.jpg
I posted that graph on the thread of your earlier post here at WUWT:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/24/lump-of-coal-award-to-ipcc-lead-author-kevin-trenberth-for-hiding-the-decline-or-the-lack-of-increase-in-global-temperatures/#comment-560438
Note that that graph did not the Sunspot numbers before 1945 corrected as suggested by Leif Svalgaard here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/24/lump-of-coal-award-to-ipcc-lead-author-kevin-trenberth-for-hiding-the-decline-or-the-lack-of-increase-in-global-temperatures/#comment-560504
I’m using that graph solely to show you that the sun, in fact, did a U-turn in 1985 based on the 11-year smoothing and has been declining since the 1950s.
Also, you used a sunspot number graph from Hathaway 2006 in your post:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/sunspot-prediction-nasa-2006.jpg
Why? SC24 through 2010 is nowhere near that magnitude. And current projections are for a much lower SC number. That graph, therefore, gives the misleading impression that Sunspots have remained elevated, as temperatures have.
You wrote, “Set aside the other problems with Usoskin’s study. (The temperature record he compared his solar data to is Michael Mann’s ‘hockey stick.’)”
This appears to be a 180 degrees spin on your part. In your earlier post here at WUWT…
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/24/lump-of-coal-award-to-ipcc-lead-author-kevin-trenberth-for-hiding-the-decline-or-the-lack-of-increase-in-global-temperatures/
… you cited Usoskin et al, agreeing with their use of Mann et al hockey stick data. In fact, in the comments, you wrote, “I don’t disagree with Usoskin and Frolich on the data.”

E.M.Smith
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January 3, 2011 4:15 am

@Leif:
At least some of the UV is important to processes below the Thermosphere. In the mesophere, the modulation of noctilucent clouds could easilty be the kind of process that ‘makes interesting things happen’. From the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noctilucent_cloud

As the mesosphere contains very little moisture, approximately one hundred millionth that of air from the Sahara desert,[9] and is extremely thin, the ice crystals can only form at temperatures below about −120 °C (−184 °F).[6] This means that noctilucent clouds form predominantly during summer when, counterintuitively, the mesosphere is coldest.[10] Noctilucent clouds form mostly near the polar regions,[5] because the mesosphere is coldest there.[11] Clouds in the southern hemisphere are about 1 km higher than those in the northern hemisphere.[5]

Ultraviolet radiation from the Sun breaks water molecules apart, reducing the amount of water available to form noctilucent clouds. The radiation is known to vary cyclically with the solar cycle and satellites have been tracking the decrease in brightness of the clouds with the increase of ultraviolet radiation for the last two solar cycles. It has been found that changes in the clouds follow changes in the intensity of ultraviolet rays by about a year, but the reason for this long lag is not yet known.

So here we have a direct observation of historical rising UV reducing water (implying lower amounts of noctilucent cloud) and now we have a sudden plunge of UV (that would imply more water available) and thus more noctilucent clouds.
I’ve personally noted (as have a couple of other folks) more of a ‘milky hint’ to the sky at night some times, especially when illuminated by the moon.
OK, I have to emphasize that I am not saying this IS causal I’m just showing a line of speculation and how there could be interesting things driven by the UV that could impact temperatures and are outside the thermosphere.
But the bottom line, for me, is there there are a lot of things that UV can influence in the atmosphere (at several levels) and we know that UV is changing a lot during this solar cycle. I think that’s enough to make it worthy of a look-see and more than a casual dismissal on bulk energy grounds or due to TSI variance being small. The details seem to matter.

tallbloke
January 3, 2011 4:20 am

Leif told us a few days ago that he had reconstructed the sunspot number back to 1835 from magnetic data.
The SIDC sunspot number trends upwards from 42 in 1836 to 73 in 2003
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1835/to:2003/trend
Please could Leif tell us what start and end sunspot numbers he gets for the linear trend on his reconstruction between those dates.
Thanks

January 3, 2011 4:44 am

Leif: In past comments on prior posts, haven’t you disputed or disproved the arguments presented in Alec Rawl’s post?

frozenfuture
January 3, 2011 4:44 am

A marvelous piece of work Alec. Not many have an understanding as you.

LazyTeenager
January 3, 2011 4:48 am

Alec spins
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This evidence that much of 20th century warming might be explained by solar activity was a thorn in the side of the newly powerful CO2 alarmists
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No it wasn’t.

LazyTeenager
January 3, 2011 5:01 am

Alec scoffs
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that it is not the level of solar activity that causes warming or cooling, but the change in the level—which is absurd.
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I don’ think you understand what they said Alec.

LazyTeenager
January 3, 2011 5:13 am

Alec approves
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“Note that the temperature continues to rise for several years after the Sun’s forcing starts to decrease.”
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Why?
Where exactly was the Sun’s energy stored so that it could be later released as heat?
Remember the Sun’s energy is absorbed and converted into heat immediately by the land and water surface. So how come it disappeared and then reappeared later?
Maybe you should consider the possibility that some some guy blogger is wrong. And that you are not skeptical enough.

LazyTeenager
January 3, 2011 5:18 am

Alec makes stuff up
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allowing these researchers to stay on the good side of the CO2 alarmists who control their funding.
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A popular theory as ever but absolutely no evidence.

Joel Shore
January 3, 2011 5:24 am

By the way, when the endpoint effects are handled correctly, the breakdown in Friis-Christensen and Lassen’s correlation occur sooner than they claim. See Figures 3 & 4 (and also 5) in this paper by Laut (which is also useful in looking at other purported correlations): http://atoc.colorado.edu/wxlab/atoc7500/laut2.pdf

That’s the big update that all of our solar scientists need to make. They need to stop tolerating this crazy charade that allows the CO2 alarmists to ignore the impact of decades of grand maximum solar activity and misattribute the resulting warming to fossil fuel burning. It is a scientific fraud of the most disastrous proportions, giving the eco-lunatics the excuse they need to unplug the modern world.

I think this last sentence gives you away. This is what I think you are essentially telling us if we correctly read between the lines: “My ideological biases lead me to strongly oppose the policy implications associated with admitting that the rise in temperatures is due to CO2. So, I would prefer to believe there is some sort of correlation between solar activity and the temperature even though I can’t demonstrate such a correlation quantitatively (although I can certainly wave my hands around a lot) and any attempts to demonstrate it quantitatively have failed for the most recent rise. And, in order for such a correlation to exist, I have to rely on some mechanism that would selectively amplify solar effects relative to other effects like greenhouse gases.”

Carla
January 3, 2011 5:35 am

Why are some solar cycles longer than others? Why are there no two or three solar cycles alike? I know similar but not alike. Why why why..

LazyTeenager
January 3, 2011 5:38 am

Alec gets breathless
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s the big update that all of our solar scientists need to make. They need to stop tolerating this crazy charade that allows the CO2 alarmists to ignore the impact of decades of grand maximum solar activity and misattribute the resulting
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I am having second thoughts as far as time delays are concerned. For sea surface heating there will be some transfer of energy to the depths. This will limit the temperature reached at the surface. However I am going to guess that it is a fairly small effect that can be ignored on decadal time scales.
I think/suspect that scientists are not unaware of this and apply it where appropriate. If memory serves the IPCC has a section discussing immediate climate change in comparison to climate change as the earth catches up and approaches equilibrium over longer time scales.

January 3, 2011 5:41 am

My comments do not seem to be making publication..is there a problem?
[Rescued from the spam folder & posted. ~dbs, mod.]

Martin Lewitt
January 3, 2011 5:58 am

Leif,
You state: “So, their model stands or falls with the GSN.”, but the Krivova-Solanki model is validated with modern data and instrument measurements and not over the time frame of your Group Sunspot Number corrections. The GSN is only used to reconstruct the solar irradiance from the Maunder Minimum to the present. Applying the model to your sunspot reconstruction instead would not change their 1.25W/m^2 increase since the Maunder minimum, since your results are not relevant to the Maunder Minimum figures. Timing is all that is impacted.
The Solanki work I had in mind for supporting a Solar Grand Maximum was his follow on to his 2004 article in Nature, that he did with Usoskin.
Solanki, S. K., I. G. Usoskin, B. Kromer, M. Schu¨ssler, and J. Beer (2004),
Unusual activity of the Sun during recent decades compared to the previous
11,000 years, Nature, 431, 1084–1087.
Usoskin, I. G., S. K. Solanki, and G. A. Kovaltsov (2007), Grand minima and maxima of solar activity: new observational constraints, A&A, 471(1), 301
The sunspot number differences would not appear to change the conclusion that the recent solar activity was a grand maximum, nor the statistical results on grand maximum or minima over the last several thousand years, but might give us another grand maximum before the current one, in the time since the Maunder Minimum.
You are correct that we are in need of a mechanism for solar forcing having a more strongly suggestive correlation to temperature over the paleo record than can be explained by radiant energy alone. But we are also in need of model independent evidence for net positive feedback from CO2 forcing in the current climate regime.
You state: “A linear treatment is also a good first cut as it involves a minimum of assumptions.” Actually linear treatments involve more assumptions, such as assumption that the sensitivities to solar, CO2 and aerosol forcings are the same despite the known qualitative and distributional differences in their coupling to the climate system. Every model independent estimate of climate sensitivity in the current regime is based upon solar or aerosols and then translated to sensitivity to CO2 doubling by rote assumption of equivalence.
Citing the nonlinear dynamic nature of the climate system is the basis for skepticism about questionable assumptions, it isn’t “hiding” because we know the system is nonlinear. “Hiding” would be ignoring that fact. We have a lot to learn, may we live in interesting solar times. That may bring insight quicker than the models, which still have errors and correlated biases several times larger than the energy imbalance of interest (about 0.75W/m^2 globally and annually averaged in the 1998 el Nino year per Hansen).

January 3, 2011 6:07 am

LazyTeenager says: “Remember the Sun’s energy is absorbed and converted into heat immediately by the land and water surface.”
Downward shortwave radiation (visible light) penetrates the oceans to depths of, what?, a hundred meters. Granted the impact decreases greatly with depth, but your comment is flawed. Refer to the following graph of tropical Pacific Ocean Heat Content versus NINO3.4 SST anomalies. OHC rose in the mid-1970s in response to the decreased cloud cover and increased downward shortwave radiation associated with the 1973/74/75/76 La Nina. It took almost 20 years for that OHC to be discharged.
http://i36.tinypic.com/eqwdvl.png
The graph is from this post:
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/09/enso-dominates-nodc-ocean-heat-content.html
So your comment is flawed–I’m not saying the post isn’t–but your comment is as well.

January 3, 2011 6:13 am

E.M.Smith says:
January 3, 2011 at 2:02 am
That is a very interesting report from Ecuador indeed. Would it be possible to go back to your source and find out when it started, how fast the onset etc? Any news from the rest of Andean Cordillera would also be useful. I have been wondering when sea level rise would stop and reverse. 2011 could be the year.

January 3, 2011 6:19 am

Alec has hit the nail on the head. Its not the trend, but the level that is important. Solar cycles are part of the equation, oceans are the bigger player (that may be solar influenced). Mix high solar activity with positive PDO and the world will experience warming. The opposite is happening right now

Martin Lewitt
January 3, 2011 6:21 am

LazyTeenager,
“Where exactly was the Sun’s energy stored so that it could be later released as heat?”
The Sun’s energy is continuously supplied. Nearly all of the heat capacity in the climate system is in the oceans. The temperature can continue to increase after a decrease to a lower level of solar forcing, if the lower level of solar forcing is still high enough to increase the temperature of the oceans. Consider a pot of water on a source of heat, you set the level of forcing to 10 and the temperature starts increasing, but before the water has warmed fully to its new temperature level, set the forcing level to 8. The level of 8 may still be able to raise the water to a higher temperature.
The mixing layer of the ocean takes two to three decades to reach most of its temperature increase, the whole ocean takes millenia. Now consider the puzzle the the mid-century cooling poses for both the solar and CO2 hypotheses. Solar forcing did dip, but that doesn’t seem large enough to explain the pause in warming. The aerosol hypothesis could explain the pause in warming by reflecting more solar energy, and this would impact both the solar and CO2 warming impacts, even if both forcings were staying the same or increasing. A reduction in aerosols could then explain the steep rise in temperature in the 80s and 90s as the solar energy lost to space is reduced and solar is still high and CO2 is still high and increasing. A competing hypothesis for the mid-century cooling is that the multidecadal ocean oscillations such as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) were in a cooling pattern. The analysis for this is more complex energetically, since changes in ocean circulation can move huge amounts of heat energy around storing it and releasing it in different locations for different periods of time. They can also impact transport of heat to the poles where it can be more efficiently radiated and can also impact cloud amounts which might influence the amount of heat reflected into space. Just rest assured that the climate system is complex enough to give a rational person pause about any claims not well supported by the evidence.

Ripper
January 3, 2011 6:23 am

Bob Tisdale says:
January 3, 2011 at 3:10 am
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“The U.S. temperature data in Stephen Strum’s “alarming” graph ends around 2007, Alec. Did U.S. temperatures drop like the solar cycle graph did? Nope. The correlation fell apart. U.S. temperatures dropped a little, but are nowhere near the solar cycle length data in your graph:”
They went bloody close in real terms after E.M. added the deleted thermometers back in.
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/gistemp-ghcn-selection-bias-measured-0-6-c/

Steve Keohane
January 3, 2011 6:46 am

Leif Svalgaard says: January 2, 2011 at 10:41 pm
The total energy in the UV is very small and is absorbed high up in the atmosphere. If that energy is offset by infrared [to keep TSI constant], then since IR penetrates to the surface the net result [as the calculations showed] is very small [perhaps even the other way around, depending on the details].

Except that UV is the only spectrum chlorophyll likes, and that ‘insignificant’ amount of UV drives every living plant on the plant. That’s a lot of transpiration, albedo shift, and temperature regulation that contributes to the climate.

An Inquirer
January 3, 2011 7:00 am

Would someone be willing to update the first graph which is a 1991 Friis-Christensen and Lassen chart showing trends in cycle length versus temperatures anomalies through 1990? I suspect that the strong correlation breaks down after 1990.

roger samson
January 3, 2011 7:07 am

yes I agree with Mr Rawls, there could be a profound simplicity to the temperature increase on earth. As I stated earlier on several occassions its just cooking pot theory, you don’t have to keep turning up the temperature to get the pot to keep getting warmer as long as heat gain is greater than heat loss the cooking pot and the earth will warm.

Carla
January 3, 2011 7:12 am

Leif Svalgaard says:
January 3, 2011 at 1:30 am
I take a dim view of unknown forcings, unknown mechanisms, unknown feedbacks, unknown unknowns, etc.
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Put this on your “dimmer view” list. lol
Fewer interstellar particle flux reaching 1AU during more active solar cycles, more solar radiative whatevers reaching Earths surface. More interstellar particle flux at 1AU during less active solar cycles, less solar radiative whatevers reaching Earths surface. Kinda like the a dimmer switch those interstellar particle fluxes. And if the very local ISM increases in particle flux..we have a dimmer switch, right outside the heliosphere door.
Good day..

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