Steve Mosher reports that things got a bit bizarre at the 2010 American Geophysical Union convention in San Francisco

Guest post by Steven Mosher
At AGU today I was witness to a “new AGU.” In the very first Steven Schneider Memorial speech Michael Oppenheimer explained the variety of ways that climate scientists can engage the public and the press. There was much I can recommend in Oppenheimer’s advice. He advised scientists to understand that their expertise on particular scientific issues does not give them expertise on all issues, especially on issues that touch on policy. It is one thing to note a scientific finding that climate models predict a 3°C warming for the doubling of CO2; it is quite another thing to opine that controlling CO2 is the answer.
Oppenheimer also was clear that scientists should state their bias openly. He self identified as a “progressive” and was open about his time spent at the EDF. All in all a good presentation, especially for fans of C.P. Snow. Oppenheimer did, however, say one thing that was bizarre.
He seemed to offer the following advice:
You can’t sit on the sidelines and do nothing, because your name might show up in a climategate mail. He argued that some poor scientist had been vilified because his name was merely mentioned in a climategate mail.
I have no clue who he is talking about, but his argument came down to this. If you think you are safe as a scientist by merely staying in the lab and speaking only about science, you are wrong. Why? because some guy got vilified by just being mentioned in the mails. Let’s be clear about who was the center of the mails: Jones and Mann. As Oppenheimer stated a scientist should not think his expertise in science gives him expertise in other areas, areas like the climategate mails and areas like advising other scientists how to conduct themselves with the press and public. Personally, I’d just block mails from people who ask me to delete things.
After Oppenheimer’s speech the “new AGU” assembled a panel of authors to discuss how to communicate with the press and the public. It was a great panel. A sullen Heidi Cullen didn’t say a word. A late arriving Jim Hansen and Naomi Oreskes who suggested that scientists should study history. One member of the panel dominated the discussion, Greg Craven. If you don’t recognize the name, you might recognize the jester hat: Yes, Greg is the high school teacher who made that video about global warming. Basically Pascal’s wager.
Greg nearly always starts every long-winded rant with the phrase “I’m no expert.”
Today was no different, but it came with a twist. He did claim to be an expert in communicating to the public. He was not. I cannot begin to describe the delicious sense of irony I felt when I listened to a panel of people who have no demonstrated skill or expertise in selling messages to the public, trying to tell scientists how they should sell a message to the public. And the questioners were also entertaining. Only one, Steve Easterbrook, managed to ask a rational question. But let’s roll tape to the questions and Craven’s performance.
One of the first questions referenced Revkin’s column on the need for more Republican scientists. Oreskes, with boring predictability, said the Republican party has been anti-science since god was a kid. Epic fail, since the question was not a history question, nevertheless, she trotted out her usual gruel. Craven then launched into his act. He wasn’t an expert on psychology but he read that conservatives are irrational and prone to confirmation bias.
There are so few Republican scientists, he explained, because Republicans are irrational.
That is a quote. That is the “new AGU”.
I’ve explained before that this view of one’s opponents leads to only one end. If you believe your opponents are irrational, then at some point you contemplate using force to get them to agree. I’m not shocked to find this in a teacher. The urge to commit violence on those who refuse to learn is an occupational hazard. I taught, I know. And we should not forget who hit the red button first:
There is a lesson here. People who talk to a captive audience of students do not have expertise in talking to the public at large. You do not convince Republicans by calling them irrational. You do not assume that an audience at AGU is full of Liberals. Greg went on for some time, foaming at the mouth about getting passionate ( the first step to violent action) and I don’t think anyone on the panel thought that there might be a conservative ( much less a Libertarian who believes in global warming) in the audience . One panelist copped to being an independent. Finally, no one on the panel seemed to realize that you do not convince the unconvinced by calling them denialists.
They did seem to agree that Al Gore was not a good choice as a spokesperson and that the meme of “the science is settled” was a bad idea.
The next questioner, sensing that Craven had stolen the show, decided to ask a 10 minute “question,” This activist from Oakland spoke with fire and passion about scientists needing to speak out. Craven, interrupted her passion because she had gone on “long enough”, and tried to steal the show back. Then she complained about him cutting her off.
Thunderdome.
Cullen looked pained. The only professional was silent. At some point Craven made a promise to shut up and stop hogging the limelight. A promise he would break on nearly every subsequent question, even those questions directed specifically away from him. At one point he banged his head on the table. Rational thought at it’s best. And he scribbled furiously as other people spoke, like he was getting ready to pass a note in class.
John Mashey asked a question as forgettable as his screed on Wegman. Craven took charge again and argued the “if not now, when” argument.
Basically, it goes like this. As a scientist you have to decide at some point that enough is enough. You have to put your scientific commitment to the discipline of doubt aside and “blow past” your boundaries. Say what you feel, not what you can prove.
[ Steve Mosher: Mr. Craven has complained that this is not a direct quote of what he said. It is not a direct quote, it is,as the text indicates, a synopsis of my interpretation of his argument. ]
Rational thought at its best.
Steve Easterbrook, thankfully, asked the only intelligent question. On one hand we have Oppenheimer telling us take care when going beyond our expertise. On the other hand we have Craven, saying “blow past” your boundaries. Oppenheimer tried to paper over the difference, and Oreskes, who seemed to be shooting me looks as I sat there laughing, agreed that there was a difference between these views. Craven, breaking his promise again, read what he had been scribbling. Some sort of challenge to climate scientists that he promises to post.
By this time Hansen had joined the dais and the next questioner wanted to know if the push for action against climate change should be like the civil rights movement. Again, the scribbling genius of public communication took the microphone. And explained that he was finally going to keep his promise about shutting up. So, he handed his statement to Hansen, who dutifully read Craven’s forgettable text. Ah the humility of that. Not content with dominating the dais for an hour our expert in communicating with the public hands a note to Hansen to have Hansen read it. “Here Jim, read this for me.”
After all the PR disasters of climategate they still don’t get it. You don’t convince people by calling them irrational or ignorant. You don’t win hearts and minds by calling them denialists. You can’t scare people of faith, whether they have faith in religion or faith in human ingenuity. And you don’t pass notes in class, Greg. Maybe a dunce hat is in order for that move.
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Related: Time to end your membership with the American Geophysical Union
Due to Mr. Mosher being pressed for time, this article was edited from raw form by Anthony Watts, correcting spelling, formatting, punctuation, and adding relevant links. No other changes were made.
Fanatics, True Believers, Zealots will never get it.
I recommend the film “Downfall” – The last few days in the Fuhrer Bunker of WWII
Magda Goebbels murdered her six children and then herself rather than live without Nazi socialism.
Good post! I too hope this was video taped!
I have lately mused upon why we have no such rights here in the provincial state of UK/EUSR. Those in charge know very well what we would exercise such a right!!!!!! Sadly I am one of those naive twits who believes in peace & democracy, & the vigorous defence of both.
I posted elsewhere today on consensus. I said that with such a tool I could prove anything given enough propaganda time. I can prove that fairies exist. I go to my village hall, find 100 people, & ask them to show how many believe that fairies live at the bottom of the garden, & say 95 people raise their hands. I then ask how many do not believe that fairies live at the bottom of the garden & the remaining 5 raise their hands. By consensus, I have proven that a) fairies do in fact exist, & b) they really do live at the bottom of the garden! Who needs science?
Michael in Sydney says:
December 16, 2010 at 2:55 am
“…As a scientist you have to decide at some point that enough is enough…”
WHY?
Sublime question Michael, right on the money!
No wonder they brought Mooney aboard.
There are no Republican scientists because they are irrational? Really? I don’t personally know a lot of “scientists” having been out of school a long time, but I know a whole heck of a lot of engineers. High level, top notch inventing kind of engineers. If I had to wager, 90% are Republicans, if not more. these are pretty rational people (sort of in the definition of engineer). Maybe its just my circles..
I’m kind if curious what the liberal-conservative breakdown looks like between scientific disciplines. I tend to think that “soft” sciences (biology, psychology, etc.) that attract people with poor mathematical skills are top-heavy in liberals while the “real” scientists on the chemistry and physics end of the spectrum tend to be conservative. This might just be the wishful thinking on the part of a pharmaceutical chemist, however! 🙂
Dear Steve, an amusing story. It looks like a puppet show at which some of the most ludicrous clowns and conspiracy theorists on the planet have gathered.
It really sounds bizarre if Nuremberg Trials Cullen, Merchant of Doubt Oreskes, and Death Camp Hansen are close to the modest average when it comes to the insanity of the people in the room. 😉
The Pascal’s Wager by the nutcase is funny because the AGW has been promoted to the infinite, omnipresent, and omnipotent God that defeats everyone, anyone, and every rational argument or calculation.
How did you get there?
Craven is an example of what is wrong with education:
Buffoons teaching the impressionable.
I consider myself to be a Constitutional Libertarian, and I know why these jokers hate Libertarians and Republicans, simply by going to the next level:
Feel: Greg Cravem, I feel your pain–you are completely unqualified to represent the AGU, an organization that used to have class and purpose.
Proof: The above statement is proven by your actions in the panel discussion and the content of your message.
How on earth, considering his lack of credentials and professionalism, did Craven ever become a spokesman for the AGU?
“They did seem to agree that Al Gore was not a good choice as a spokesperson and that the meme of “the science is settled” was a bad idea.”
Stunning conclusion, eh?
Hitting yourself in the head with a hammer is also a bad choice and a bad idea.
You don’t convince people about something they intuitively suspect is not true, without asking them for some kind of leap of faith and belief in things not seen..
and in this case it with the people pushing the AGW issue. It is here where this whole issue has become “religion” which is the ultimate irony since the premise that man controls the atmosphere is a challenge to the idea that there is a God who created all this in the first place, and that man can somehow control what he did not create ( Assuming we can agree that man did not create the earth and heavens, whether one believes God did or not.) But what does a belief in God ask for?Faith in things unseen, really. A search for something that one can not easily grasp. So in reality
that is what this all has become. The “problem” is that these folks wish to slam down the throat of the ignorant and to them, non scientific masses ( I guess I am a card carrying member, in spite of years and years of day to day hand to hand combat with this foe known as weather, a belief that is beyond what man can grasp intuitively. In that sense, it is a religion, and on par with what spiritual belief asks of all those who seek such things.
And the problem grows even bigger with people like me, because after years and years in this, I see the majesty of the creation and it humbles me to actually understand
that in spite of all these enlightened people believing we are big enough to challenge
and change what we did not create, its opposite. To me, this move to control is a cry
by people that are seeking to fulfill that inner need to reach beyond their grasp, except their “heaven” involves saving something they have no proof they can actually save. But by trying to do so, they set themselves up morally and ethically superior to those
that reach for heaven in another way. And of course, there is no downside. Failing at
the impossible is noble afterall. (except when it limits the freedom of those around them which is what this does)
All this avoids the actual question, which I think will be answered simply and plainly in the next 30 years. As co2 continues its relentless march upward, there is no excuse for the planet not to warm if it is the driver its claimed to be . The objective satellite data that started in 1978, at the end of the last cold PDO is there now, as we head deeper into the new cold cycle, so we should see a response that trends down. I suspect the past 10 years of temps essentially leveling off is because it cant get warmer without the input of extra energy into the whole system and co2, being a product of the system, is not going to do that relative to the other major players
( ie solar, oceans, even volcanic). If the enso responses in shorter terms are not good enough to show direct linkage, this
should. In the end, its much less than the religion it has become, it either is or isnt
and the answer lies in the rather simple, and non lofty evaluation of objective
data that we now have.
Can I get a big amen on this, brothers and sisters
All the best
JB
One more thing!!! To those that disagree with me… cheer up… for if you are right, you are about to get your answer too. The earths temps will resume its rise and then
you will have a convert in me, and perhaps the great unwashed masses that right now
are not willing to follow
William says:
December 16, 2010 at 12:53 am
Huge off-topic rant ironic given the article’s references to Craven.
Well, they all should rejoice – their efforts are paying off.
The UK’s minister for ‘climate change’ came back from Cancun, fully convinced, and with this solution:
‘Electricity bills will have to rise by up to £500 a year to pay for a new generation of environmentally friendly power stations, it emerged.’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/8205123/500-on-electricity-bills-to-pay-for-green-energy.html
Unfortunately for the AGW proponents, their bills will rise just as much as ours. There won’t be a rebate for following the AGW religion.
But perhaps they’ve exchanged their carbon certificates for shares in blanket factories, and in companies producing hot-water-bottles?
So, they’re looking for “a variety of ways that climate scientists can engage the public and the press”, eh? Well, as someone who’s enjoyed reading scientific mags and papers for several decades, as far as I’m concerned, there’s only one way they need to engage me fully: Show me the proof that manmade emissions are causing catastrophic global warming. But of course, they can’t do that, because it isn’t happening and never will.
Here in the UK, we had Chris Huhne (the minister in charge of pseudoscientific claptrap) on the BBC’s “Today” programme this morning. Sad, sad, sad. From the way he was banging on about ways in which we can – will – be forced to “save the planet”, starting with vaulting energy prices in our chilly little country, it was obvious that he, or his advisors, have learned nothing from the last few years’ (real) science. Anyone who thought that a change of government would change anything to do with AGW should be pretty well disabused of the notion after hearing the pathetic Huhne.
Oh, well, we should get a white Christmas this year, if Piers is even half as right as he generally is. Season’s greetings, and a good 2011, to all WUWT readers, commenters, and of course to the “staff”.
Classic cognitive dissonance. The Warmist cult, having enjoyed so much power and influence for so long is now losing that power and influence. Former cult members are defecting left and right, and public opinion is going increasingly against them. So, they latch onto the one thing that always worked in the past, what they like to call “communication”, and try to think how that “communication” has failed, and what they need to do to shore it back up. Talk about irrationality and confirmation bias. Craven’s statement that there are so few Republican scientists because Republicans are irrational” is unbelievably absurd, and classic projection.
“Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.”
Thomas Jefferson
Advocates of liberalism.
Nice report Steve.
Great report, Steve.
“You do not convince Republicans by calling them irrational. You do not assume that an audience at AGU is full of Liberals.”
And you DON’T convince the next Congress to continue your Climate Ca$h funding by bashing them.
I’d love to read the transcript or see a video of that AGU meeting.
“Say what you feel, not what you can prove. ”
Hoe. Lee. S#!^. Seriosuly? You must be kidding me. THIS is what science is becoming? I weep for my children….
Great piece but what is there not to understand?
You’ re watching the process where science is transformed into a political tool of one party and it’s not the Republicans.
We’re going full steam ahead building the green dream society where fantasy science and looney know nothing nuts plan to end our civilization, our freedom and our futures in the name of our children and the survival of the planet.
In this world cold is caused by heat and human kind is always responsible.
Sane people are stamped mad, profit is a dirty word, capitalism eradicated and every person who speaks out against the new doctrine is called a denier.
This new idiocracy of course is noting more but yet another attempt to shackle humanity under socialist rule and like all previous regimes it will fail.
But the price, the price to pay will be of epic proportions.
So we better stop it before the green boots start marching.
“Due to Mr. Mosher being pressed for time, this article was edited from raw form by Anthony Watts, correcting spelling, formatting, punctuation, and adding relevant links. No other changes were made. “
I thought it scanned a lot better than Mosh’s usual efforts – well done Anthony.
Just kidding Mosh, a nice laconic, well written piece which gave me a genuine smile.
Thanks.
Sorry about the “it’s” guys I usualy catch those, but it was a hectic day from very early to very late and here at 6AM I’ve got another day like the last.
Here is the point I would like to leave you with. The Craven voices really do drown out the reasonable voices in science. Moreover, those in the audience who do respond to it, the activists, tend to amplify the passion rather than channel it. He gets the crowd going. And we all know what mob mentality ends with. A bang.
Sounds like a parliamentary debate in the House of Commons; especially now that democracy is all but dead and buried in our dis-United Kingdom.