The UK Met Office "Winter Forecast" – fail or faux?

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Have a look at these two juxtaposed news clips from the UK Daily Mail, one from October 28th, 2010, the other from November 28th, 2010.

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and here’s today’s news:

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Now have a look at what the Met Office issued on 10-28-2010:

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That missive comes from this page where they gave up on seasonal outlooks, but they don’t actually tell you where you can find the “monthly outlook” forecast.

A search for “monthly outlook” yields nothing, pretty lame. But, there are some suggestions it may be a paid service.

Anybody know where to find it?

In other news, new records have been set.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2010/pr20101128.html

Big chill breaks November temperature records

28 November 2010

Snowy road

Last night saw November minimum temperature records fall across the country.  Most notably both Wales and Northern Ireland recorded the coldest November night since records began. In Wales, temperatures fell to -18.0 °C at Llysdinam, near Llandrindod Wells, Powys. Northern Ireland recorded -9.5 °C at Loch Fea.

Scotland recorded minimum temperature of -15.3 °C at Loch Glascarnoch, whilst England recorded -13.5 °C at Topcliffe in North Yorkshire.

The UK’s lowest ever recorded temperature in November was – 23.3 °C recorded in Braemar, in the Scottish Highlands, on November 14, 1919.

The cold and snow is expected to continue to affect many parts of the UK today and through the coming week. Met Office forecasters are warning of further severe frosts, snow and icy conditions. The north-easterly winds, with a significant wind chill will also make it feel bitterly cold as daytime temperatures struggle to rise above freezing.

Met Office warnings and advisories of severe weather for snow and icy roads are in force for parts of northern and eastern England, parts of Scotland and Northern Ireland. Further snowfall is expected through Scotland and the north east on Sunday.

Met Office Chief Forecaster, Steve Willington said: “The very low overnight temperatures we have seen are likely to be repeated through the coming week as the cold and snowy weather continues. As winds increase into next week, it will feel increasingly cold with a significant wind chill to contend with by day and night.”

“Icy roads and snow will be a risk for many, and the public are advised to stay up to date with the forecast to make sure they have the latest information.”

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TomRude
November 30, 2010 10:38 am

SteveE you forget Vancouverites froze their bottoms the weeks after the Olympics…

Javelin
December 1, 2010 12:39 am

This winter will kill climate science

December 1, 2010 2:36 am

“When I pointed out how convenient it is that one can have it both ways – i.e. if it gets hotter it’s proof of AGW, if it gets colder it’s proof of – err – AGW – she glazed over. It was then that I diplomatically changed the subject.”
Erm… you do know that “global warming” has *never* meant that everywhere in the globe gets hotter? I’m not exactly a zealous follower of the literature, but even I’ve known for getting on for a decade what the models predicted for the UK: warmer, wetter summers and colder winters.
An overall rise in average (mean) temperature doesn’t mean that everywhere gets hot.
Whether you think the theory is correct or not, if you’re going to evaluate a theory based on what it predicts, getting the “what it predicts” correct is really rather basic.
In fact, your friend was wrong anyway: although there are early (very early) signs of changes in the way the Gulf Stream behaves, it’s not “switched off” and those changes aren’t enough to account for our current snow. We’ve had occasional cold snaps for pretty-much the whole of human history – it’s just what “weather” is.
Anyone – on either side of the debate – who points to three days’ weather and says it’s “proof” or “caused by…” is either uninformed, ignorant, stupid or polemicising. The first three are forgiveable: The third isn’t.
Our present cold snap proves nothing, either way. Come back in 50 years and tell me what the weather has been like every winter, and you’ll have something that indicates a hypothesis is correct or not.

TomRude
December 2, 2010 9:08 pm

Ian Betterridge writes:
“I’ve known for getting on for a decade what the models predicted for the UK: warmer, wetter summers and colder winters. ”
Really, perhaps you should have informed British newspapers who quoting the MET Office were plastering that we should say good bye to snow in UK winters…

Richard Sharpe
December 2, 2010 9:51 pm

Ian Betteridge says on December 1, 2010 at 2:36 am

Erm… you do know that “global warming” has *never* meant that everywhere in the globe gets hotter? I’m not exactly a zealous follower of the literature, but even I’ve known for getting on for a decade what the models predicted for the UK: warmer, wetter summers and colder winters.

Can you tell us how the evil CO2 that humans have been emitting can both lead to warmer summers and colder winters.
I promise I won’t look at your contortions.

TomRude
December 3, 2010 9:03 pm

The BBC international news showed Venice under water and blamed it on… climate change! After that seeing the UK under a blanket of snow certainly made for a good laugh at the BBC’s expense.
Hope everyone stays safe…

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