Final 2010 Arctic Sea Ice Summary – Sea Ice News #30

UPDATE: Peter Sinclair shows his true crock colors, and refuses to correct his errors in “crock of the week” even after they’ve been clearly pointed out. Some “journalist”, see update screencap posted below. -Anthony

I’m a bit late in getting this posted, as I’ve had a number of distractions the past week. But here it is, the post mortem report on 2010 Arctic Sea ice minimum. Of course the most interesting aspect is how well did the forecasts from the various scientists and groups do at predicting the 2010 minimum? This graph from the SEARCH report (in entirety below) sums it up pretty well:

click for a larger image - red dashed line represents the 2010 minimum

The yellow highlight shows that Steve Goddard, who supplied sea ice commentary for WUWT over the past year before starting his own blog here, did better than many of the scientists and groups who made forecasts submitted to Study of Environmental ARctic CHange (SEARCH). His forecast at 5.1 million square kilometers (as seen in the SEARCH graph above) wasn’t that far off, was in the middle of the pack, and certainly better than the other ends of the forecast spectrum.

Forecasting is always a risk, and the closer you get to the target point, the better your skill will be. Forecasts made further out always have a greater chance of missing the mark, such as this one by NSIDC’s Dr. Mark Serreze did on Climate Progress on May 24, 2010:

As Arctic sea ice shrinks faster than 2007, NSIDC director Serreze says, “I think it’s quite possible” we could “break another record this year.”

Well, no new record was set, and sea ice certainly didn’t go higher than 2009 as we talked about here, so there were errors on both sides.The ground truth nature provided was in the middle.

Of course, nobody likes to admit such errors, in fact it seems that some will go to great lengths to hide them by projecting, such as video hack turned Al Gore trained environmentalist “Greenman3610” aka Peter Sinclair.  He videocasts from his home studio with sophisticated Mac slide show effects producing a YouTube feature called “Climate Denial Crock of the Week”. It’s a crock, there’s no doubting that, since he only shows one side of the 2010 sea ice forecast story, and focuses on a couple of words in a sentence for one WUWT blog post to prove his point. It’s hilarious for its sheer spinmastery, and a must watch for entertainment value:

The lead text posted by Greenman3610 starts with a false premise, and he carries that through the whole video.

In early summer 2010, the pseudo science blog Watts up with that informed it’s discriminating readers that this summer would decisively show that northern polar ice had ended a long term decline. They guaranteed it.

Now what’s hilarious about that spinmastery is the blog post he focused on, which was a two parter about Joe Bastardi’s AccuWeather sea ice report (which I summarized) followed by a technical summary written by Steve Goddard. You can read it here.

Greenman’s video opens with and focuses on a sentence and three words of ebullience from Goddard in that post, “you bet ya”, along with making the false claim of “They guaranteed it“.

Um, well, sadly no. We didn’t say “guarantee” nor that the long term trend would reverse, that’s your spinning words. Search that WUWT article for the word guarantee or variances of it and you won’t find it. In fact you won’t find any reference to a “guarantee” for a sea ice forecast anywhere on WUWT. But you will find a caveat using the word guarantee from Sea Ice News #8 on June 6th, 2010

Conclusion : Based on current ice thickness, we should expect September extent/area to come in near the top of the JAXA rankings (near 2003 and 2006.) However, unusual weather conditions like those from the summer of 2007 could dramatically change this. There is no guarantee, because weather is very variable.

And also on June 3rd in a post called “The Undeath Spiral” Goddard uses the word again:

Anyone betting on the minimum extent needs to recognize that summer weather can dramatically effect the behaviour of the ice. The fact that the ice is thicker now is no guarantee that it won’t shrink substantially if the summer turns out to be very warm, windy or sunny. Joe Bastardi believes that it will be a warm summer in the Arctic. I’m not a weather forecaster and won’t make any weather predictions.

Yup, weather during late melt season is a big factor, even NSIDC’s Dr. Walt Meir points that out in his guest post here, wind and weather is a big factor. He wrote:

NSIDC’s June estimate was too high compared to what actually happened.

First, when the thicker, older ice is in broken up floes, it is more easily “attacked” on all sides by the ocean heat and can potentially be melted completely. Second, the less consolidated ice is more easily pushed around by the ice and more susceptible to winds pushing the ice together – in other words, the effect of the wind is amplified. I think this is a major reason why a lot of the forecasts were too high.

To be sure, some of this could be attributed to luck, because there is always the wildcard of what the weather will do over the summer.

Certainly at that time of the WUWT post that Greenman focuses on it looked like 2010 would come out a bit ahead of 2009. But even though NSIDC’s forecasts were also initially too high (so was WUWT’s) and NSIDC director Serreze goes out on a limb in May and says:

As Arctic sea ice shrinks faster than 2007, NSIDC director Serreze says, “I think it’s quite possible” we could “break another record this year.”

You won’t see either of those NSIDC forecasts that didn’t come true mentioned in Peter Sinclair’s “crock” video, as they don’t fit his narrative of denigration. But you will hear that tired old Serreze maxim of “death spiral“.

And finally, here’s the complete SEARCH forecast summary report that Peter Sinclair and his merry band of crockers don’t want you to see, even though it has some nice “crock ready” graphics in it. He doesn’t want to let slip that some other scientists did worse in sea ice forecasts than what was posted here on WUWT, and he certainly doesn’t want to let slip that NSIDC’ Dr. Walt Meir posts here (and gets accolades) and that their forecasts were initially high too. No, can’t have that, it would upset the faithful and just wouldn’t be good television. 😉

But I suppose I’m grateful for all the attention, after all, if WUWT wasn’t the leading blog on climate with traffic that in a single day dwarfs the number of total views that Greenman gets on his videos in their life cycle, I wouldn’t be the big target. The fact that it irritates him enough to do a hit piece pleases me greatly.

But, I invite readers to compare facts from the video to what is presnted above and below. I also invite other skeptical bloggers to repost this in entirety on their own blogs.

UPDATE: Here’s the comments from “Greenman3610” aka Peter Sinclair on YouTube after being informed of the rebuttal:

It seems he’s enjoying the traffic WUWT sent, but is uninterested in correcting the errors pointed out. – Anthony

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From SEARCH (November 12th, 2010)

INTRODUCTION

A request was sent to the contributors of the 2010 SEARCH Sea Ice Outlook to summarize the 2010 arctic sea ice season. We asked:

  • What were the main factors driving the 2010 summer sea ice?
  • What additional data would be useful for improving future Outlooks?
  • What are the implications for future arctic sea ice?

We appreciate the contribution by all participants and reviewers who made the 2010 Outlook effort a continued success. The Sea Ice Outlook provides a forum for researchers to evaluate their understanding of the state of arctic sea ice and for the community to jointly assess a range of factors that contribute to arctic summer sea ice minima. The Sea Ice Outlook is not a formal consensus forecast or prediction for arctic sea ice extent, nor is it intended as a replacement for existing efforts or centers with operational responsibility. Additional background material about the Outlook effort can be found on the background page.

SUMMARY

The sea ice monthly extent for September 2010 was 4.9 million square kilometers, based on National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) estimates. This was the third lowest behind 2008 (4.7 million square kilometers) and 2007 (4.3 square kilometers). It should be noted that the NSIDC value is a monthly averaged estimate and it is dependent on a particular passive microwave algorithm for sea ice. Other satellites, composites, or passive microwave analyses will have slightly different numbers. A review of the differences amongst algorithms and sensors is discussed in a brief report by the Climate and Cryosphere Project’s (CliC, http://www.climate-cryosphere.org/en/) Arctic Sea Ice Working Group (also available in the “additional information” section at the bottom of this page). The point here is not which is the “correct” value, but to acknowledge that there will be understandable differences between estimates. We take the NSIDC value as the “operational definition.”

It is also important to note that although recent sea ice values have not reached the extreme minimum of 2007, the sea ice minimum has remained well below the long-term “norm” (Figure 1). This may imply that in the present warmer climate conditions, September ice extents below 5 million square kilometers will become the norm.

Recent sea ice conditions during summer (NSIDC).

Figure 1. Recent sea ice conditions during summer (NSIDC). Figure is based on daily arctic sea ice extent from passive microwave satellite data (SSM/I). The solid gray line indicates average extent from 1979 to 2000. (National Snow and Ice Data Center)

Outlook estimates for September 2010 based on May data had a mean value of 5.0 million square kilometers compared to the observed minimum of 4.9 million square kilometers (Figure 2a). Quartile values were 4.7 and 5.4 million square kilometers. Outlook estimates based on June data had a mean value of 4.8 million square kilometers and Quartile values were 4.2 and 5.4 million square kilometers (Figure 2b). The August report (based on July data, Figure 2c) gave a mean of 4.9 million square kilometers, with Quartile values of 4.6 and 5.4 million square kilometers. The drop in estimate values between the two first Outlooks reflected in part record ice loss rates observed in June. However, ice loss slowed substantially in July and Outlook projections based on July data increased to 4.9 million square kilometers. This illustrates the importance of the summer circulation pattern on the ice cover, and provides a limitation on accuracy of estimates made earlier in the season.

Figure 2a. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010

Figure 2a. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010 arctic sea ice extent based on May data.

Figure 2b. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010

Figure 2b. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010 arctic sea ice extent based on June data.

Figure 2c. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010. Observed September minimum sea ice extent denoted by the red dashed line.

Figure 2c. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010 arctic sea ice extent based on July data. Observed September minimum sea ice extent denoted by the red dashed line.

SUMMER SEA ICE AND METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS

Figure 3 is a sea ice analysis combined with shipboard observations for the end of summer 2010 provided by Jenny Hutchings. Figure 4 is a sea ice age plot for the end of September provide by Jim Maslanik. While the 2010 melt season started with more multi-year ice (MYI) in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas than seen in recent years and an overall greater percentage of MYI arctic-wide, by the end of August nearly all of this MYI had melted out or ice concentration had fallen below 40%. In the Chukchi Sea, none of the ice greater than two years of age remained, and 97% of the second-year ice was gone. In the East Siberian Sea, there was a 65% reduction in the amount of second-year ice between the end of April and the end of August. A remarkable feature that was captured by satellite imagery was a corridor of low ice concentrations that allowed the Chinese vessel Xuelong, an icebreaker with a low ice class, to reach above 88˚N of latitude. Howell and colleagues recorded open water conditions in the Northwest Passage.

Figure 3. In situ observations for the end of summer 2010

Figure 3. In situ observations for the end of summer 2010 (J. Hutchings, International Arctic Research Center; graphics assistance by K. Creek, ARCUS).

Figure 4. Synthetic sea ice age plot (J. Maslanik, University of Colorado).

Figure 4. Synthetic sea ice age plot (J. Maslanik, University of Colorado).

Several contributors, including Walt Meier and Hiroki Shibata, note that there was considerable sea ice present at the end of the spring season. NSIDC reported that the 2010 seasonal sea ice maximum was quite late (31 March compared to the climatological date of 26 February) and the total maximum ice extent approached the climatological mean. This increase was dominated by higher than normal ice extent in the Bering Sea, while ice extent remained below normal elsewhere. The increase in the Bering Sea was perhaps related to the strong negative Arctic Oscillation (AO)/North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) pattern of winter 2009-2010. It was strongly negative in December and February; the February value was the third lowest NAO in160 years, and strong winds in the Bering Sea led to new ice formation. Community-based observations and field data for the Bering Sea ice cover summarized in the Sea Ice for Walrus Outlook (SIWO) indicate that even though Bering Sea ice was extensive, it was thinner than in past decades and hence susceptible to rapid retreat. Thus, after the winter maximum, pan-arctic ice extent quickly declined, with record daily average ice loss rates for the Arctic as a whole in May and June, and a new record low ice extent for June. This rapid rate of decline likely reflects a combination of thin ice and an atmospheric circulation pattern favoring ice loss. Julienne Stroeve (personal communication) noted that the total loss of sea ice area for 2010 was actually greater than the loss in 2007, based on a greater starting amount in 2010.

An important meteorological pattern is that the summers of the last four years have been dominated by the Arctic Dipole Anomoly (DA) atmospheric climate pattern. This pattern results in high sea level pressure on one side of the Arctic Basin (in this case North America) and low sea level pressure on the other. Because winds tend to blow parallel to lines of constant pressure, this provides sea ice advection generally poleward from the Bering Strait region. These winds also pick up heat and moisture from open water areas in the southern arctic (Chukchi region), transport it northward, and release the heat there. The normal sea level pressure climatology for the summer Arctic has been a flat field or a weak monthly mean low pressure center over the Arctic. In 2007 the DA was present all summer and contributed to record low sea ice conditions. In 2009 the DA was strong in June and July, suggesting a near record sea ice loss for that year, but by August the DA pressure pattern was replaced by the more normal low pressure center. In 2010 the summer started with a strong DA pattern in June, contributing to rapid sea ice loss (see Figure 1). However, the DA was replaced by a low pressure pattern in July (Figure 5), slowing down the rate of summer sea ice loss. But a major surprise for 2010 was that the DA pattern returned in August (Figure 6). We also saw continued above-normal ocean temperatures in ice-free regions at the end of summer (Figure 7).

Figure 5. Arctic sea level pressure pattern during July 2010.

Figure 5. Arctic sea level pressure pattern during July 2010.

Figure 6. Sea level pressure pattern for the Arctic

Figure 6. Sea level pressure pattern for the Arctic showing the return of the Arctic Dipole pressure pattern in August 2010.

The maps show average sea surface temperatures and anomalies for August 2007.

Figure 7. This summer, sea surface temperatures were higher than average, but lower than in the last three years. The maps above show average sea surface temperatures and anomalies for August 2007 to 2010. (W. Ermold and M. Steele, University of Washington)

CONCLUSIONS AND LESSONS

The mean estimates for the 2010 September Sea Ice Outlook based on May, June, and July data were close to the observed value with a rather small quartile distribution (as a measure of deviation from the mean). Most investigators, using a variety of methods, settled on a value slightly below 5.0 million square kilometers. This may represent an interim (or potentially longer-term) state for an Arctic that is now dominated by first-year sea ice.

Thickness surveys and drifting buoys that are part of the Arctic Observing Network (AON) suggest that much of the growth of first-year sea ice in the Pacific sector approaches an end-of-season thickness of around 1.7 m, independent of the starting time of freeze-up in the fall (H. Eicken, personal communication). As one goes further north toward the North Pole, the length of the shortwave radiation season is shortened with less ability to melt out multi-year sea ice (D. Perovich, personal communication). Could the last four years be a plateau state? What would it take to have another major sea ice loss down to a level of 3.5-4.0 million square kilometers? In regards to the first question, J. Stroeve (personal communication) notes that in the present warmer climate state, the tendency for a negative AO winter pattern to promote increased transport of ice into the western Beaufort/Chukchi seas—a pattern that historically has helped to reduce summer ice loss—actually enhances summer ice loss.

Another wild card is the presence of the Arctic Dipole pressure pattern in summer. It seems like it is a necessary feature to maintain current summer sea ice conditions. Yet the reason for its continued year-to-year presence in unknown. Is a return to more climatological flat summer sea level pressure patterns more probable than a continuation of the DA pattern?



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kadaka (KD Knoebel)
November 24, 2010 2:28 pm

My prediction was 5.6 10^6 km^2. Made it official about halfway through the melt season, never revised.
What did I learn? Those veritable “last minute” changes can really bite. Things were looking good until September, possible early end to the melt season, then wind changes etc blew it all away.
Beyond that, guessing the minimum doesn’t mean much. Just look at the IARC-JAXA Arctic Sea Ice Extent chart. 2010 quickly recovered to 2009 and above levels. At the inflection points, where the curvature changes, all the years are grouping very closely. The Arctic sea ice ain’t going anywhere anytime soon.
And I don’t understand why they keep warning about “ice-free summers.” Meteorological Northern Hemisphere summer is June, July, August. We haven’t had an ice-free September in the record, it’d take some doing to come back from such as there wouldn’t be any ice present for more ice to grow outwards from. An ice-free autumn, September, October, November, would be what should be warned about. For the Arctic, that’d be a severe fall.

E.M.Smith
Editor
November 24, 2010 6:40 pm

Given the long lag time from Pacific temperature change to the arrival of that water at the N. Pole (about 15? years as I recall) we’ve got about 15 to 20 years of cooling to anticipate. 2010 is reflective of about `1995 Pacific temperatures, to they get a couple of more years At Most of low Arctic ice (not record low, just a bit below the short term averages used by most folks) before we find out what this “Major Minimum” has to offer.

Louise
November 25, 2010 4:31 am

Has anyone else seen this http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/blowin-in-the-wind/#more-3165
“The record is clear. After Goddard settled on a figure in mid-June [of 5.5], he stuck to it like glue … insisting that his June forecast would be close to correct as late as Aug. 29th. So when exactly did he make that forecast of 5.1?”

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
November 25, 2010 6:55 am

From Louise on November 25, 2010 at 4:31 am:

Has anyone else seen this…

First off, that’s from OpenAirMind, thus many of us just don’t care.
Otherwise, the change was made for the SEARCH August 2010 report, released September 1, click on the “Pan-Arctic” tab. It’s easily findable, Tammy should know about it. Steve’s reasons are given near the bottom in the “Key Statements from Individual Outlooks” section.
Thus the 1st of September would be when he *officially* made the 5.1 forecast.

Louise
November 25, 2010 7:12 am

and what date did the actual minimum occur?
I’m pretty sure that if I left it until a couple of days prior to the actual minimum happening, I could be pretty accurate too.
Can anyone shed any light on whether any of the other predicitions were updated as the actual minimum approached?

Günther Kirschbaum
November 25, 2010 7:56 am

Of course, nobody likes to admit such errors
Have you admitted yet that your prediction (and Goddard’s) was 1 million square km off, or should we keep that quiet?
REPLY: Gosh, you can’t read the text above can you?
“Well, no new record was set, and sea ice certainly didn’t go higher than 2009 as we talked about here, so there were errors on both sides.The ground truth nature provided was in the middle.”
and
“But even though NSIDC’s forecasts were also initially too high (so was WUWT’s)…”
Yes, my forecast was high, so was NSIDC’s. In the SEARCH forecast, somebody named “Wilson” started off at 1 million square kilometers, and then adjusted up to 2.5 million sqkm, still wayyy off. But ignore him, its only about playing “gotcha” to people you don’t like, right? I think people like yourself would be thrilled if either of Wilson’s forecasts came true.
On the plus side, 2010 was higher than 2007.
NSIDC adjusted downward from their initial forecast. In fact the whole group of people in the SEARCH group adjusted their forecast over the summer. But we here aren’t “allowed” to do so?
And here’s the real question for people like you, will you beat up Mark Serreze (like you do me) for saying things like this that didn’t happen?
As Arctic sea ice shrinks faster than 2007, NSIDC director Serreze says, “I think it’s quite possible” we could “break another record this year.”
Yeah won’t hold my breath, go back and plot schemes with Neven. – Anthony

Louise
November 25, 2010 8:57 am

Anthony – you clearly think that Steve did very well with his prediction and you think it’s OK that he adjusted this a few times. Do you think that a prediction made on 29th August should carry the same ‘weight’ as one made in June?
As I said earlier, I’m pretty sure I could have been as close as Steve if I left it so late to firm up my prediction.
That said, I don’t understand why you made such a big thing of him being ‘accurate’
“The yellow highlight shows that Steve Goddard, who supplied sea ice commentary for WUWT over the past year before starting his own blog here, did better than many of the scientists and groups who made forecasts submitted to Study of Environmental ARctic CHange (SEARCH). His forecast at 5.1 million square kilometers (as seen in the SEARCH graph above) wasn’t that far off, was in the middle of the pack, and certainly better than the other ends of the forecast spectrum.”
If he stuck with his original prediction (as some of the others did?), he’d be close to one end of the spectrum.
REPLY: And so would NSIDC, but you’re saying they are allowed to make changes late in the game, but Goddard isn’t? You have no clue about forecasting. Here’s an experiment for you. Watch the NWS forecast for your town for a day 7 days from now, and watch how it changes, then call up the NWS and complain to them for changes made the day before the day you picked. See what they tell you about it. – Anthony

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
November 25, 2010 9:52 am

From Louise on November 25, 2010 at 7:12 am:

and what date did the actual minimum occur?
I’m pretty sure that if I left it until a couple of days prior to the actual minimum happening, I could be pretty accurate too.

For SEARCH purposes, they use the monthly averaged estimate provided by NSIDC, as can be read about in the Summary (aka Post-Season) Report. If you want a value for a specific day, the IARC-JAXA site can easily provide one, just hit the “Data Download” button for all the daily measurements in a convenient easily-readable text file suitable for import into a spreadsheet. If you want to stick with NSIDC, you’ll have to search their site for their archives of daily values. Good luck with that. 😉

Can anyone shed any light on whether any of the other predicitions were updated as the actual minimum approached?

The Summary Report has graphs showing the predictions from the June, July, and August reports, you can eyeball the changes. For more detail you can read the separate reports, links at the main site.

Will Crump
November 25, 2010 10:44 am

Mr. Watts:
Günther Kirschbaum’s point is well taken and from the child-like response you posted indicates you have a problem admitting the error.
The error you, Mark Serreze, and any of the predictions made at ARCUS
http://www.arcus.org/search/seaiceoutlook/2010/august
are making is the belief that it is possible to predict the annual sea ice minimum or the average extent for the month of September. At least Tamino was adult enough to admit that his very close projection of 4.78 +/- 0.95 million km^2 was “lucky” and that it only had “about a 1-in-40 chance that it would end up as close as it did”. http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/i-got-lucky/
On November 1, 2010 I posted the following projection:
“Based on the numbers in the JAXA data set, November 30 should be in the 10.1 to 10.3 million km2 range. ”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/31/sea-ice-news-28/
Even this one month in advance estimate looks too high since the November 23, 2010 value was 9,542,969 km2. The November 30 number may be below 10.0 million km2, which would make the projection I made wrong, but who knows?
Joe Bastardi has isued a projection for 2011 that is about 1.2 million km2 below the 1979 to 2007 average (based on the chart for august at ARCUS). This is within the range expected based on the downward trend line. Some years the minimum will go up, and some years it will go down.
I have also posted comments that are critical of projections that predict 2011 will be lower than 2007 or that we will see an ice free September in the next ten years. http://www.science20.com/chatter_box/arctic_ice_november_2010
Admit it is a mistake to project the minimum so far in advance and to attempt to project the exact number and lets get back to per reviewed studies.
REPLY: Gosh referencing the fact that our forecast was too high, twice in the article, isn’t enough? Looking for that pound of flesh huh? Well you are entitled to your opinion, I’m entitled to mine. For certain, lessons were learned this year, and next year those lessons will be incorporated. Forecasting weather and its effects is always a challenge, something I’ve done for 30 years. Improving skill is what it is all about. Despite what you think, watching and predicting sea on the blogs and in the media as Dr. Mark Serreze has done, is of great interest to many people on both sides of the debate, I don’t think your pooh poohing the idea will change that. I’ll make you a deal though, if you can get Dr. Serreze to publicly admit that forecasting record lows in media interviews in May was a mistake, I’ll feature that and reciprocate equally. – Anthony

Will Crump
November 25, 2010 12:57 pm

The mistake was not that the prediction was too high as the prediction was within the possible range predicted by the declining September average trend line. The mistake is in thinking that the annual minimum can be predicted this far in advance. Dr. Serreze makes a similar mistake. I will look for admissions by him that his predictions were wrong.
I do enjoy playing the guessing game and appreciate the opportunity you provide to join in the action.
Have you made any prediction as to what year the September average will return to the 7.04 million km2 level (this is the average for 1979 to 2000). The September 2010 average was 4.9 million km2 according to the NSIDC.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2010/100410.html
I predict that the September average will be below 7.0 million km2 for the next five years and that at least 3 of the next 5 years will be be below the 5.5 million km2’record low set in 2005.

Will Crump
November 25, 2010 6:55 pm

I have searched, but I can not find a prediction by Dr. Mark Serreze from May of 2010 concerning the Arctic minimum for 2010. Can you provide a link or indicate where the prediction can be found?
The language you quoted above is from the title of the May 24, 2010 Climate Progress article. It is very deceptive to characterize this as a prediction. The body of the article provides the folowing complete quote and the context for the quote:
“Canada’s Globe and Mail headlines their story, “Arctic sea ice heading for new record low,”
The latest satellite information shows ice coverage is equal to what it was in 2007, the lowest year on record, and is declining faster than it did that year.
“Could we break another record this year? I think it’s quite possible,” said Mark Serreze of the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo.
“We are going to lose the summer sea-ice cover. We can’t go back.”
… Dr. Serreze said winds, cloud cover or other weather conditions could slow the melt, but he points out that the decline is likely to speed up even more in June and July.”
http://climateprogress.org/2010/05/24/arctic-sea-ice-extent-volume-nsidc-record-steve-goddard/
The only definitive prediction in the above statement is the prediction of the loss of all arctic ice, but he does not predict a specific date or range of dates when this will occur. The rest is all about could, possible, and likely. No definitive prediction there. The article even includes a qualifier that Dr. Serreze indicates the melt could slow. That qualifier looks spot on.
Unless you can provide a source for a specific prediction by Dr. Serreze, there is no need to waste anyone’s time looking for a public admission that his forcast was wrong.
When the weatherman says 70% chance of rain, it does not mean he has made a mistake if it does not rain. Gosh, didn’t your 30 years of experience as a weatherman teach you this?
Note: [The link where Serreze makes this statement is http://climateprogress.org/2010/05/24/arctic-sea-ice-extent-volume-nsidc-record-steve-goddard/ read the title
“As Arctic sea ice shrinks faster than 2007, NSIDC director Serreze says, “I think it’s quite possible” we could “break another record this year.”
and as you point out in the body of the news article:
“Could we break another record this year? I think it’s quite possible,” said Mark Serreze of the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo.
Of course if Mr. Watts said that, you’d try to nail him to the wall with it. You don’t get to play favorites on statements. ~mod]

Will Crump
November 25, 2010 7:18 pm

Mr Watts:
If you want to debunk an Arctic ice projection, I suggest you go after the projection by Professor Wieslaw Maslowski of an ice free arctic by 2013 plus or minus 3 years. If you believe this projection is wrong, you are in good company as Dr. Mark Serreze has expressed his misgivings about this projection:
“The US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) collects the observational data on the extent of Arctic sea ice, delivering regular status bulletins. Its research scientist Dr Mark Serreze was asked to give one of the main lectures here at this year’s AGU Fall Meeting.
Discussing the possibility for an open Arctic ocean in summer months, he told the meeting: “A few years ago, even I was thinking 2050, 2070, out beyond the year 2100, because that’s what our models were telling us. But as we’ve seen, the models aren’t fast enough right now; we are losing ice at a much more rapid rate.
“My thinking on this is that 2030 is not an unreasonable date to be thinking of.”
And later, to the BBC, Dr Serreze added: “I think Wieslaw is probably a little aggressive in his projections, simply because the luck of the draw means natural variability can kick in to give you a few years in which the ice loss is a little less than you’ve had in previous years. But Wieslaw is a smart guy and it would not surprise me if his projections came out.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm
Dr. Mark Serreze is a little soft on even the 2030 date for an ice free Arctic.
In the same article, Professor Peter Wadhams from Cambridge University also stated his misgivings about this projection when he was quoted as saying the following with respect to an ice free Arctic:
“It might not be as early as 2013 but it will be soon, much earlier than 2040.”
Now that is a prediction. Ice free Arctic on some day by 2040.

Will Crump
November 25, 2010 10:13 pm

Hi mod:
I am just having a little fun with Anthony. [redundant statement . . mod]
I do not put much stock in individual year minimum numbers and believe that hitting the one year forecast is a matter of luck and not science. Predictions that go out at least five years are better since they can eliminate some of the noise from inter-annual variability and the monthly average is more important than the minimum number.
Let’s see, the February prediction by Goddard and Watts was off by what, 1.0 million km2. (4.6 million km2 v. the 2009 minimum of 5.1 million km2 plus the 500,000 km2 “recovery” that did not occur). To be fair, the projection by Watts and Goddard was well in the range of possibility since it was close to the 2006 minimum level of 5.7 million km2 [I noted this in the 12:57 post, so much for nailing anyone] .
A May possibility that 2010 would be lower than 2007 was off by .5 million km2 (2007 minimum was 4.13 million km2).
Well at least the May possibility had the direction right. I disagree with the “death spiral” label applied by Serraze and would like to see him make a specific prediction to back up the death spiral claim instead of the weasily language he uses above. At least Anthony made a testable prediction!
If you really want me to nail someone [why would we want that? . . mod ], then let’s go after Professor Wieslaw Maslowski . I suspect his ice free by 2019 will be off by even more than the February 2010 Watts and Goddard prediction.
Also, Joe Bastardi’s projection of 2030 being the same as 1977 should be off by even more than any of the above, but I may not be alive to see it.
I would like to see Anthony Watts back up his recovery prediction by providing a year that he thinks the September average will return to 7.0 million km2 like the 1979 to 2000 average.
You can nail me if the following prediction made in the 12:57 post is wrong [ and why would we want to do that? . . .mod] :
“I predict that the September average will be below 7.0 million km2 for the next five years and that at least 3 of the next 5 years will be be below the 5.5 million km2′record low set in 2005.”
Also, it looks like my prediction for November 30 of 10.1 to 10.3 million km2 posted on November 1 (using JAXA data) will be too high. You can also nail me on this as it looks like it may go as low as 9.9 million km2 for a 2% error. [Thanksgiving hey , ah well the typos give it away . . mod]

Will Crump
November 25, 2010 10:30 pm

Ooops, the Maslowski prediction is an ice free date by 2016 not 2019. No matter, it will not be ice free by 2019 either.

Newbie
November 26, 2010 2:55 am

Is something majorly wrong with the CT graphs for 11/24 or has the melt season started early?

Louise
November 26, 2010 3:04 am

Anthony – you say in your reply to me “And so would NSIDC, but you’re saying they are allowed to make changes late in the game, but Goddard isn’t? ” but I never made that claim.
I just questioned why you would make such a big issue and shower praise on Steve Goddard for a prediction that was made about two weeks before the actual minimum. I don’t really see that it’s that praiseworthy. If he had made that accurate prediction back in June now that might be more worthy of the praise you gave him.
I said nothing about the praiseworthyness (?sp) or otherwise of any other predictions.

Louise
November 26, 2010 4:14 am

From http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/02/the-undeath-spiral/
“Conclusion : Should we expect a nice recovery this summer due to the thicker ice? You bet ya. Even if all the ice less than 2.5 metres thick melted this summer, we would still see a record high minimum in the DMI charts.”

November 26, 2010 6:30 am

Louise says:
November 26, 2010 at 4:14 am
From http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/02/the-undeath-spiral/
“Conclusion : Should we expect a nice recovery this summer due to the thicker ice? You bet ya. Even if all the ice less than 2.5 metres thick melted this summer, we would still see a record high minimum in the DMI charts.”

Stevegoddard even invited us to “Bookmark this post for reference in September”, well we did and found that he was wrong, as he said: “Come September, someone or other is going to have some serious egg on their face.” Well in his case it was him, of course that was only to be expected as he had made an elementary mathematical error in his analysis (pointed out by TomP).

November 26, 2010 9:53 am

Goddard on 02 June 2010:
“Should we expect a nice recovery this summer due to the thicker ice? You bet ya. Even if all the ice less than 2.5 metres thick melted this summer, we would still see a record high minimum in the DMI charts.”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/02/the-undeath-spiral/
Goddard on 06 June 2010:
“Based on current ice thickness, we should expect September extent/area to come in near the top of the JAXA rankings (near 2003 and 2006.)” That would be around 5.9 million sq. km.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/06/wuwt-arctic-sea-ice-news-8/
Goddard on 23 June 2010:
“I’m forecasting a summer minimum of 5.5 million km²”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/23/sea-ice-news-10/
5.5 million sq. km. prediction repeated on 20 July and 01 August 2010:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/01/sea-ice-news-16/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/20/arctic-forecast-verification-update/
Goddard on 08 August 2010:
“So far, my forecast of 5.5 million km² is looking very conservative.”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/09/bastardis-monday-sea-ice-report-plus-new-analysis-of-2010-ice-distribution/
Goddard on 15 August 2010:
“My forecast (dashed line below) minimum of 5.5 million (JAXA) continues to look conservative. ”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/15/sea-ice-news-18/
Goddard on 29 August 2010:
“It continues to look like my June forecast will be close to correct”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/29/sea-ice-news-20/
Probably a day or two later, Goddard finally revised his supposedly conservative prediction downward once again, to 5.1 million sq. km. At the time Goddard made this change, Arctic sea ice extent was already around or below 5.5 million sq. km., so the change was just a reaction to the fact that his prediction was already wrong. Less than a month later, the actual minimum was 4.9 million sq. km.
http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20101004_Figure2.png
Basically Goddard’s predictions consisted of being wrong (by a lot) all summer long, and then predicting that sea ice extent would drop from about 5.5 million to 5.1 million sq. km. from the end of August to the minimum a few weeks later. He predicted a 400,000 sq. km. decrease, where the actual decrease was 600,000 sq. km.
So after being extremely wrong all summer and predicting a potential record high sea ice extent, we’re supposed to be impressed that Goddard’s revised prediction was “only” off by 50% less than a month before the minimum?
Nice revisionist history.
REPLY: Please note the revision history of several other scientists and groups in images below, in chronological order, and be sure to use that when you post elsewhere. For example, follow Strove et al (from NSIDC) which was 5.5 in June, 4.74 in July (as Meier et al from NSIDC) and finally 5.0 (as Meier et al from NSIDC) in August. Even larger variations exist, such as Wilson, who started put with 1.0, then revised to 2.5 in August. You conflate forecast skill targeting (allowed by the SEARCH group) with “revisionism”. Your argument fails. – Anthony

Figure 2a. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010

Figure 2a. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010 arctic sea ice extent based on May data.
Figure 2b. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010

Figure 2b. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010 arctic sea ice extent based on June data.
Figure 2c. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010. Observed September minimum sea ice extent denoted by the red dashed line.

Figure 2c. Distributions of Outlook estimates for September 2010 arctic sea ice extent based on July data. Observed September minimum sea ice extent denoted by the red dashed line.
November 26, 2010 11:33 am

I don’t particularly care if some other groups revised their estimates as well. The point remains that Goddard’s supposedly accurate prediction was made just a few weeks before the September minimum, and thus was off by 50%. If you want to apply my criticisms to other groups, feel free.
But note that the few predictions which Goddard beat on the high end – Rigor, McLaren, Kauker, Morison, Kaleschke – did not change their predictions (or at least not by a significant amount) at the end of August. So if anything, Goddard’s predictive ability 3 weeks ahead of time was better than these groups’ several months ahead of time. You’re not comparing apples to apples, and even if you were, being off by 50% a few weeks beforehand is not skillful in my opinion.

Will Crump
November 26, 2010 1:51 pm

Mr. Watts:
The September 2010 average was 4.9 million km2 according to the NSIDC, which was below the downward sloping trend line on the NSIDC graph below.
http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20101004_Figure3.png
The September average for the period 1979 – 2000 was 7.04 million km2. The last time this level was 2001.
While next year may be higher than 2010, this would not indicate that a recovery

Will Crump
November 26, 2010 1:54 pm

sorry did not finish.
Mr. Watts:
When will there be a recovery to the 1979 – 2000 September average?

November 26, 2010 3:52 pm

REPLY: Please note the revision history of several other scientists and groups in images below, in chronological order, and be sure to use that when you post elsewhere. For example, follow Strove et al (from NSIDC) which was 5.5 in June, 4.74 in July (as Meir et al from NSIDC) and finally 5.0 (as Meir et al from NSIDC) in August. Even larger variations exist, such as Wilson, who started put with 1.0, then revised to 2.5 in August. You conflate forecast skill targeting (allowed by the SEARCH group) with “revisionism”. Your argument fails. – Anthony
The difference is that stevegoddard was the one who was bragging all season about his prediction (based supposedly on his calculation of volume since 2007, wrong as it happened). He was the one who told everyone “Bookmark this post for reference in September” and “Come September, someone or other is going to have some serious egg on their face” , such braggadocio invites the reaction that you’ve seen here.
REPLY: Some of that is true, and some people did have serious egg on their face, like Wilson for example. But except for Grumbine, none of the others who submitted to SEARCH have blogs (NSIDC isn’t a blog, but an official website) that I’m aware of to post (or brag) claims. And let’s not forget the braggadocio of Dr. Mark Serreze, who is a veritable fountain of media soundbite claims. No new record was broken this summer. But it seems everyone wants to give him a free pass. – Anthony

November 26, 2010 6:38 pm

And let’s not forget the braggadocio of Dr. Mark Serreze, who is a veritable fountain of media soundbite claims. No new record was broken this summer. But it seems everyone wants to give him a free pass. – Anthony
Not exactly ‘bragging’ in that case: “Could we break another record this year? I think it’s quite possible.” In the event it was less than 500,000 km^2 above the record, a fair bit closer than Stevengoddard’s prediction and for only a possibility!
You haven’t been giving Serraze a free pass for that so why should others give stevengoddard a free pass for his ‘in your face’ predictions?
E.g. “I must have done something wrong, because I am getting all the right answers.”
In response to the explanation of the error in his PIPS calculations.
“PIPS has been an incredibly valuable data source for forecasting ice behaviour. My short and long term forecasts have been almost perfect this year as a result.”
Such hubris!
REPLY: Like I said, errors were made on both sides. There’s plenty of hubris to go around. We could all do with less, me, Goddard, Serreze. Romm, everybody, including you. – Anthony

November 26, 2010 7:05 pm

Phil. says:
“You haven’t been giving Serraze [sic] a free pass…”
A supposedly educated person misspelling “Serreze” indicates basic incompetence, no?
Poor Phil. I bet when he farts, only dogs can hear it.☺