UPDATE: Peter Sinclair shows his true crock colors, and refuses to correct his errors in “crock of the week” even after they’ve been clearly pointed out. Some “journalist”, see update screencap posted below. -Anthony
I’m a bit late in getting this posted, as I’ve had a number of distractions the past week. But here it is, the post mortem report on 2010 Arctic Sea ice minimum. Of course the most interesting aspect is how well did the forecasts from the various scientists and groups do at predicting the 2010 minimum? This graph from the SEARCH report (in entirety below) sums it up pretty well:

The yellow highlight shows that Steve Goddard, who supplied sea ice commentary for WUWT over the past year before starting his own blog here, did better than many of the scientists and groups who made forecasts submitted to Study of Environmental ARctic CHange (SEARCH). His forecast at 5.1 million square kilometers (as seen in the SEARCH graph above) wasn’t that far off, was in the middle of the pack, and certainly better than the other ends of the forecast spectrum.
Forecasting is always a risk, and the closer you get to the target point, the better your skill will be. Forecasts made further out always have a greater chance of missing the mark, such as this one by NSIDC’s Dr. Mark Serreze did on Climate Progress on May 24, 2010:
As Arctic sea ice shrinks faster than 2007, NSIDC director Serreze says, “I think it’s quite possible” we could “break another record this year.”
Well, no new record was set, and sea ice certainly didn’t go higher than 2009 as we talked about here, so there were errors on both sides.The ground truth nature provided was in the middle.
Of course, nobody likes to admit such errors, in fact it seems that some will go to great lengths to hide them by projecting, such as video hack turned Al Gore trained environmentalist “Greenman3610” aka Peter Sinclair. He videocasts from his home studio with sophisticated Mac slide show effects producing a YouTube feature called “Climate Denial Crock of the Week”. It’s a crock, there’s no doubting that, since he only shows one side of the 2010 sea ice forecast story, and focuses on a couple of words in a sentence for one WUWT blog post to prove his point. It’s hilarious for its sheer spinmastery, and a must watch for entertainment value:
The lead text posted by Greenman3610 starts with a false premise, and he carries that through the whole video.
In early summer 2010, the pseudo science blog Watts up with that informed it’s discriminating readers that this summer would decisively show that northern polar ice had ended a long term decline. They guaranteed it.
Now what’s hilarious about that spinmastery is the blog post he focused on, which was a two parter about Joe Bastardi’s AccuWeather sea ice report (which I summarized) followed by a technical summary written by Steve Goddard. You can read it here.
Greenman’s video opens with and focuses on a sentence and three words of ebullience from Goddard in that post, “you bet ya”, along with making the false claim of “They guaranteed it“.
Um, well, sadly no. We didn’t say “guarantee” nor that the long term trend would reverse, that’s your spinning words. Search that WUWT article for the word guarantee or variances of it and you won’t find it. In fact you won’t find any reference to a “guarantee” for a sea ice forecast anywhere on WUWT. But you will find a caveat using the word guarantee from Sea Ice News #8 on June 6th, 2010
Conclusion : Based on current ice thickness, we should expect September extent/area to come in near the top of the JAXA rankings (near 2003 and 2006.) However, unusual weather conditions like those from the summer of 2007 could dramatically change this. There is no guarantee, because weather is very variable.
And also on June 3rd in a post called “The Undeath Spiral” Goddard uses the word again:
Anyone betting on the minimum extent needs to recognize that summer weather can dramatically effect the behaviour of the ice. The fact that the ice is thicker now is no guarantee that it won’t shrink substantially if the summer turns out to be very warm, windy or sunny. Joe Bastardi believes that it will be a warm summer in the Arctic. I’m not a weather forecaster and won’t make any weather predictions.
Yup, weather during late melt season is a big factor, even NSIDC’s Dr. Walt Meir points that out in his guest post here, wind and weather is a big factor. He wrote:
NSIDC’s June estimate was too high compared to what actually happened.
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First, when the thicker, older ice is in broken up floes, it is more easily “attacked” on all sides by the ocean heat and can potentially be melted completely. Second, the less consolidated ice is more easily pushed around by the ice and more susceptible to winds pushing the ice together – in other words, the effect of the wind is amplified. I think this is a major reason why a lot of the forecasts were too high.
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To be sure, some of this could be attributed to luck, because there is always the wildcard of what the weather will do over the summer.
Certainly at that time of the WUWT post that Greenman focuses on it looked like 2010 would come out a bit ahead of 2009. But even though NSIDC’s forecasts were also initially too high (so was WUWT’s) and NSIDC director Serreze goes out on a limb in May and says:
As Arctic sea ice shrinks faster than 2007, NSIDC director Serreze says, “I think it’s quite possible” we could “break another record this year.”
You won’t see either of those NSIDC forecasts that didn’t come true mentioned in Peter Sinclair’s “crock” video, as they don’t fit his narrative of denigration. But you will hear that tired old Serreze maxim of “death spiral“.
And finally, here’s the complete SEARCH forecast summary report that Peter Sinclair and his merry band of crockers don’t want you to see, even though it has some nice “crock ready” graphics in it. He doesn’t want to let slip that some other scientists did worse in sea ice forecasts than what was posted here on WUWT, and he certainly doesn’t want to let slip that NSIDC’ Dr. Walt Meir posts here (and gets accolades) and that their forecasts were initially high too. No, can’t have that, it would upset the faithful and just wouldn’t be good television. 😉
But I suppose I’m grateful for all the attention, after all, if WUWT wasn’t the leading blog on climate with traffic that in a single day dwarfs the number of total views that Greenman gets on his videos in their life cycle, I wouldn’t be the big target. The fact that it irritates him enough to do a hit piece pleases me greatly.
But, I invite readers to compare facts from the video to what is presnted above and below. I also invite other skeptical bloggers to repost this in entirety on their own blogs.
UPDATE: Here’s the comments from “Greenman3610” aka Peter Sinclair on YouTube after being informed of the rebuttal:
It seems he’s enjoying the traffic WUWT sent, but is uninterested in correcting the errors pointed out. – Anthony
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From SEARCH (November 12th, 2010)
INTRODUCTION
A request was sent to the contributors of the 2010 SEARCH Sea Ice Outlook to summarize the 2010 arctic sea ice season. We asked:
- What were the main factors driving the 2010 summer sea ice?
- What additional data would be useful for improving future Outlooks?
- What are the implications for future arctic sea ice?
We appreciate the contribution by all participants and reviewers who made the 2010 Outlook effort a continued success. The Sea Ice Outlook provides a forum for researchers to evaluate their understanding of the state of arctic sea ice and for the community to jointly assess a range of factors that contribute to arctic summer sea ice minima. The Sea Ice Outlook is not a formal consensus forecast or prediction for arctic sea ice extent, nor is it intended as a replacement for existing efforts or centers with operational responsibility. Additional background material about the Outlook effort can be found on the background page.
SUMMARY
The sea ice monthly extent for September 2010 was 4.9 million square kilometers, based on National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) estimates. This was the third lowest behind 2008 (4.7 million square kilometers) and 2007 (4.3 square kilometers). It should be noted that the NSIDC value is a monthly averaged estimate and it is dependent on a particular passive microwave algorithm for sea ice. Other satellites, composites, or passive microwave analyses will have slightly different numbers. A review of the differences amongst algorithms and sensors is discussed in a brief report by the Climate and Cryosphere Project’s (CliC, http://www.climate-cryosphere.org/en/) Arctic Sea Ice Working Group (also available in the “additional information” section at the bottom of this page). The point here is not which is the “correct” value, but to acknowledge that there will be understandable differences between estimates. We take the NSIDC value as the “operational definition.”
It is also important to note that although recent sea ice values have not reached the extreme minimum of 2007, the sea ice minimum has remained well below the long-term “norm” (Figure 1). This may imply that in the present warmer climate conditions, September ice extents below 5 million square kilometers will become the norm.

Outlook estimates for September 2010 based on May data had a mean value of 5.0 million square kilometers compared to the observed minimum of 4.9 million square kilometers (Figure 2a). Quartile values were 4.7 and 5.4 million square kilometers. Outlook estimates based on June data had a mean value of 4.8 million square kilometers and Quartile values were 4.2 and 5.4 million square kilometers (Figure 2b). The August report (based on July data, Figure 2c) gave a mean of 4.9 million square kilometers, with Quartile values of 4.6 and 5.4 million square kilometers. The drop in estimate values between the two first Outlooks reflected in part record ice loss rates observed in June. However, ice loss slowed substantially in July and Outlook projections based on July data increased to 4.9 million square kilometers. This illustrates the importance of the summer circulation pattern on the ice cover, and provides a limitation on accuracy of estimates made earlier in the season.
SUMMER SEA ICE AND METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS
Figure 3 is a sea ice analysis combined with shipboard observations for the end of summer 2010 provided by Jenny Hutchings. Figure 4 is a sea ice age plot for the end of September provide by Jim Maslanik. While the 2010 melt season started with more multi-year ice (MYI) in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas than seen in recent years and an overall greater percentage of MYI arctic-wide, by the end of August nearly all of this MYI had melted out or ice concentration had fallen below 40%. In the Chukchi Sea, none of the ice greater than two years of age remained, and 97% of the second-year ice was gone. In the East Siberian Sea, there was a 65% reduction in the amount of second-year ice between the end of April and the end of August. A remarkable feature that was captured by satellite imagery was a corridor of low ice concentrations that allowed the Chinese vessel Xuelong, an icebreaker with a low ice class, to reach above 88˚N of latitude. Howell and colleagues recorded open water conditions in the Northwest Passage.


Several contributors, including Walt Meier and Hiroki Shibata, note that there was considerable sea ice present at the end of the spring season. NSIDC reported that the 2010 seasonal sea ice maximum was quite late (31 March compared to the climatological date of 26 February) and the total maximum ice extent approached the climatological mean. This increase was dominated by higher than normal ice extent in the Bering Sea, while ice extent remained below normal elsewhere. The increase in the Bering Sea was perhaps related to the strong negative Arctic Oscillation (AO)/North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) pattern of winter 2009-2010. It was strongly negative in December and February; the February value was the third lowest NAO in160 years, and strong winds in the Bering Sea led to new ice formation. Community-based observations and field data for the Bering Sea ice cover summarized in the Sea Ice for Walrus Outlook (SIWO) indicate that even though Bering Sea ice was extensive, it was thinner than in past decades and hence susceptible to rapid retreat. Thus, after the winter maximum, pan-arctic ice extent quickly declined, with record daily average ice loss rates for the Arctic as a whole in May and June, and a new record low ice extent for June. This rapid rate of decline likely reflects a combination of thin ice and an atmospheric circulation pattern favoring ice loss. Julienne Stroeve (personal communication) noted that the total loss of sea ice area for 2010 was actually greater than the loss in 2007, based on a greater starting amount in 2010.
An important meteorological pattern is that the summers of the last four years have been dominated by the Arctic Dipole Anomoly (DA) atmospheric climate pattern. This pattern results in high sea level pressure on one side of the Arctic Basin (in this case North America) and low sea level pressure on the other. Because winds tend to blow parallel to lines of constant pressure, this provides sea ice advection generally poleward from the Bering Strait region. These winds also pick up heat and moisture from open water areas in the southern arctic (Chukchi region), transport it northward, and release the heat there. The normal sea level pressure climatology for the summer Arctic has been a flat field or a weak monthly mean low pressure center over the Arctic. In 2007 the DA was present all summer and contributed to record low sea ice conditions. In 2009 the DA was strong in June and July, suggesting a near record sea ice loss for that year, but by August the DA pressure pattern was replaced by the more normal low pressure center. In 2010 the summer started with a strong DA pattern in June, contributing to rapid sea ice loss (see Figure 1). However, the DA was replaced by a low pressure pattern in July (Figure 5), slowing down the rate of summer sea ice loss. But a major surprise for 2010 was that the DA pattern returned in August (Figure 6). We also saw continued above-normal ocean temperatures in ice-free regions at the end of summer (Figure 7).



CONCLUSIONS AND LESSONS
The mean estimates for the 2010 September Sea Ice Outlook based on May, June, and July data were close to the observed value with a rather small quartile distribution (as a measure of deviation from the mean). Most investigators, using a variety of methods, settled on a value slightly below 5.0 million square kilometers. This may represent an interim (or potentially longer-term) state for an Arctic that is now dominated by first-year sea ice.
Thickness surveys and drifting buoys that are part of the Arctic Observing Network (AON) suggest that much of the growth of first-year sea ice in the Pacific sector approaches an end-of-season thickness of around 1.7 m, independent of the starting time of freeze-up in the fall (H. Eicken, personal communication). As one goes further north toward the North Pole, the length of the shortwave radiation season is shortened with less ability to melt out multi-year sea ice (D. Perovich, personal communication). Could the last four years be a plateau state? What would it take to have another major sea ice loss down to a level of 3.5-4.0 million square kilometers? In regards to the first question, J. Stroeve (personal communication) notes that in the present warmer climate state, the tendency for a negative AO winter pattern to promote increased transport of ice into the western Beaufort/Chukchi seas—a pattern that historically has helped to reduce summer ice loss—actually enhances summer ice loss.
Another wild card is the presence of the Arctic Dipole pressure pattern in summer. It seems like it is a necessary feature to maintain current summer sea ice conditions. Yet the reason for its continued year-to-year presence in unknown. Is a return to more climatological flat summer sea level pressure patterns more probable than a continuation of the DA pattern?




Jeff,
I did stick with my 5.5 forecast for a long time, but changed it in August to 5.1.
NSIDC also started at 5.5 and lowered theirs to 4.76. They did slightly better than me.
PIOMAS was way of the mark with their 3.9 forecast.
stevengoddard says:
November 23, 2010 at 11:18 am
Jeff,
I did stick with my 5.5 forecast for a long time, but changed it in August to 5.1.
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Hmmm, I don’t recall seeing that here in August but I guess anything is possible.
The more fundamental point you were making starting in mid-winter was that sea ice was recovering and that the 5.5 minimum would be proof of your thesis. You went on to say that because of the robust recovery you anticipated the 5.5 mark might be too conservative and that the result may be an extent that was quite a bit higher.
Changing your prediction, while it may make you feel better, doesn’t change the fact that the data simply doesn’t support your assertion that sea ice is recovering.
If you still think sea ice is recovering will you put a marker down for minimum extent necessary for 2011 to support this idea?
Jeff says:
November 23, 2010 at 12:22 pm
If that’s the case, then does the opposite of that apply to the experts? Does changing their predictions from under 4 million km^2 to around 5 million km^2 remove the support of their assertion of a death spiral?
Just askin’…
-Scott
stevengoddard says:
November 23, 2010 at 11:18 am
Hi Steve – do you recall seeing Jeff’s sea ice prediction anywhere? I was wondering. I didn’t see it, so I was thinking his sea ice prediction was somewhere to be found in a previous post. Let me know if you find it. Thanks in advance.
[BTW Jeff, the Arctic ice is freezing up pretty nicely right now – same at it ever was…]
John Marshall says:
November 23, 2010 at 2:22 am
Adm. Titley stated that the sea ice has never been thinner for several thousand years!
Wrong Adm. Sea ice was documented as non existent in the polar region by photographs of three submarines, two from the US Navy and one Royal Navy, at the north pole in 1959 in clear water. Perhaps he has lost these pictures.
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Weird logic. The photos prove that the ice was clear at the location where the submarines surfaced. It does not prove that the arctic as a whole was clear of ice or say anything conclusive about ice extent in general at that time..
Frank K. says:
November 23, 2010 at 12:43 pm
stevengoddard says:
November 23, 2010 at 11:18 am
Hi Steve – do you recall seeing Jeff’s sea ice prediction anywhere? I was wondering. I didn’t see it, so I was thinking his sea ice prediction was somewhere to be found in a previous post. Let me know if you find it. Thanks in advance.
[BTW Jeff, the Arctic ice is freezing up pretty nicely right now – same at it ever was…]
If by ‘ever’ you mean 2006!
I swung by a blog run by someone who’s name happens to rhyme with Marles Wonston, and he was busy flaming Anthony for not being a “true climate scientist” and claims him to be wrong on everything (while linking to the Crock of the Week).
This coming from avid Climate Scientist Supreme Marles Wonston, who has an extensive background in Jazz guitar and computer programming. So take that, Anthony, you hack!
(and everyone else who posts here, even you climate scientists!)
Scott says:
November 23, 2010 at 12:37 pm
If that’s the case, then does the opposite of that apply to the experts? Does changing their predictions from under 4 million km^2 to around 5 million km^2 remove the support of their assertion of a death spiral?
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Scott,
Great question. I think there are two groups of prognosticators. The first group is driven by utilitarian needs and forecast ice extent for the safety of the people living and working in the arctic. Naturally these people will update their forecasts frequently because peoples lives depend on it.
The second group predict sea ice extent to support a given narrative. This is the group Goddard falls into along with others who consider themselves experts. So I agree that the death spiral should be taken off the table if the data does not support it in the same way recovery needs to be taken off the table.
One last comment on death spiral. I despise the term and Serreze should drop the term unless he clearly defines what it means. It could mean anything from the arctic will be ice free in 2 years or 100 years. Failing to define it in terms of real numbers just makes it so much meaningless puffery.
Frank K. says:
November 23, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Hi Steve – do you recall seeing Jeff’s sea ice prediction anywhere? I was wondering. I didn’t see it, so I was thinking his sea ice prediction was somewhere to be found in a previous post. Let me know if you find it. Thanks in advance.
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I wasn’t aware that I had to submit a prediction to comment here. I expect there are many who haven’t made a prediction and still comment, that may even include you Frank. 🙂
That being said, if I was forced to make a prediction for next year it would be to extend the linear trend plus or minus 2 standard deviations.
Frank K. says:
November 23, 2010 at 12:43 pm
[BTW Jeff, the Arctic ice is freezing up pretty nicely right now – same at it ever was…]
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NO. Just looking at the Hudson Bay and you can see it’s way behind schedule.
You’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
That’s what I thought. so why are we comparing apples and oranges?
I predicted 5.1 starting in June and stuck to it to the end, but was off when the figure came in at 49.5 (or was it 48.5?) The absolute minimum was the figure that was the focus of almost all the debating (the apple). This current 5.1 average minimum is (or looks like) an orange.
All the shouting being done by global warmists is a waste of energy. Science shows there was less ice in the past at the Arctic than now. If you look at a satellite photo of Arctic ice and estimate how much Anthony and Steven Goddard were off it amounts to a slight amount less around the circumference of the ice. Hairs are being split 4 ways over this.
It is highly likely there is more ice in the Arctic now than 1000 years ago. There still is no proof that what is happening in Arctic ice has anything wrong with it. Using 30 years of data to make long term conclusions is unscientific—and also doesn’t make good common sense.
There is no scientific reason to say something is wrong in Arctic ice over the last 30 years.
Also, it is wrong to say that it is “recovering” from whatever happened in 2007—even if you think 2007 was a normal occurrence. If you think 2007 was something that happened within normal variation then why call what has happened since then “recovery”??
I still see no reason to even pay attention to Arctic ice. It looks like everything going on there is perfectly normal. It looks like nothing that has happened there is outside the range of natural variability. It looks like the predicted disasters to North Pole ice from “manmade global warming” are not happening—though people like Al Gore, Mark Surreze, and commenter “Phil” act like what is happening in North Pole ice is the canary in the coal mine—and the canary is dead.
stevengoddard says:
November 23, 2010 at 11:18 am
Jeff,
I did stick with my 5.5 forecast for a long time, but changed it in August to 5.1.
NSIDC also started at 5.5 and lowered theirs to 4.76. They did slightly better than me.
PIOMAS was way of the mark with their 3.9 forecast.
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Actually Zhang’s (PIOMAS) forecast was 4.8E6 km^2 as shown by his name only (singular), and he first made that forecast in early July, or almost two full month’s before you changed your guesstimate changed from 5.5 to 5.1;
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/zhang/IDAO/seasonal_outlook.html
Missing by only 100K (~75+ days in advance) vs your 600K or (with the clock running out) 200K (with only ~3 weeks left in the 2010 melt season.
Roger Knight,
I would not say “apples and oranges.” As I mentioned this morning, we are comparing apples and apple pie.
I’m still bothered by the bumpiness of the data that caused my educated guess of 5.3e6 being off. I’ll have to wait till next year I suppose.
I feel like the idiot cousin at the Thanksgiving party, pointing out that Granny has had too much punch.
I may not get invited back, but at least Grandpa had to address the fact that she’d thrown up on his shoes.
I waited as long as I could, Anthony, but seriously, man., it’s almost Christmas — How long were you going to let that stench hang in the air?
…and again, thanks for the traffic, at this rate, maybe some day, I can be friends with Glenn Beck, too.
REPLY: And your commentary here is as devoid of substance and rational thought as what you put into the videos you make. – Anthony
The video dissed WUWT, in a couple of sentences, and it is clear that its complaint, that WUWT was predicting a certain recovery of the ice this year was directed at Joe Bastardi’s comment, which was pretty strong, and was shown briefly during the video.
Can we find another year with similar ice distribution as 2010? I can see Russian ice in my Windows. Note in the graph below that 2010 is very similar to 2006. 2006 had the highest minimum (and smallest maximum) in the DMI record. Like 2010, the ice was compressed and thick in 2006. Conclusion : Should we expect a nice recovery this summer due to the thicker ice? You bet ya.
The bulk of the video was based on reviewing data and interviewing experts on why the summer Arctic sea ice coverage and total mass is headed downward. Its focus was on the science as described by true experts. I thought that it was convincing.
The person who developed the video wasn’t interested in surveying the opinions of the different amateur climatologist bloggers who post on WUWT.
[Reply: Such as yourself?]
Oh, and here’s Lindsay (and Zhang) forecast (made on or before 7/28/2010) of 3.96E6 km^2 (note the method does not involve PIOMAS per se, but it is “According to our model retrospective simulations, the ice in the Arctic has continued to thin at a remarkable rate. The statistical method based on the PIOMAS model analysis now is projecting a new record low ice extent.”);
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/lindsay/September_ice_extent.html#2010predictions
http://www.arcus.org/files/search/sea-ice-outlook/2010/07/pdf/pan-arctic/lindsayzhangjulyoutlook.pdf
http://www.arcus.org/files/search/sea-ice-outlook/2010/07/pdf/pan-arctic/zhangjulyoutlook.pdf
http://www.arcus.org/files/search/sea-ice-outlook/2010/09/pdf/pan-arctic/zhangaugustoutlook.pdf
I can see that the first post of mine to this thread was not posted.
Why?
Am I allowed to repost that message?
And will WUWT actually post it this time?
[no idea what message you are talking about, you’ve posted a bunch, they are all there, just approved a couple more, might have gotten lost in spam ~mod]
This is a quote from the article above for Amino Acid in Meteorites who denied the NW passage was open for nearly the whole of the summer.
“Howell and colleagues recorded open water conditions in the Northwest Passage.”
I would imagine that’s still not enough to convince though.
As for predictions, Steve Goddard changed very late on. On his site he then compared the later prediction to NSIDC’s prediction using a bullseye graph, forgetting the earlier prediction. When he 5.1 got to be too high compared to NSIDC’s estimate he suddenly dropped the graph 😉
I concur that the estimates on WUWT all through spring and well into the summer were on another year of recovery, simply that did not happen. WUWT gave the scientists who got it wrong in previous years a bit of a kicking, so now the boot is on the other foot it seems. Too much triumphalism by Steve et al as well until the bubble popped.
Just my reading of it over the months looking at all these Arctic posts here and on climate audit before.
Andy
For ordinary people, the opposite is “life spiral”. CAGW movement may prefer the option suggested in the post, but “undeath spiral” just doesn’t sound cool enough. They may yet go for “zombie spiral” to comply with the narative that, “it’s worse than we thought”. Where there is “rotten ice”, there “zombie spiral” might be found.
BTW, never heard of this Peter Sinclair before. Sounds like one of those DIY youtube celebrities that come dozens for a dime.
It is intriguing to observe the continually developing meme that, prior to 1979, no reliable information was available relating to the extent of Arctic sea ice. This must certainly be perplexing for the scientists at the University of Illinois, many of whom have been at the forefront of polar research for decades.
As many readers will know, a considerable portion of the work done by the Polar Research Group at UIUC is publicly available on Cryosphere Today. One of the many datasets easily available from UIUC is the Walsh and Chapman Northern Hemisphere Sea Ice Data Set. This displays the extent of Arctic Sea Ice since 1870, and, at 141 years and counting, is certainly long enough to show up any significant multi-decadal trend.
Although virtually contiguous satellite coverage has been only available since 1979, navigators have been able to take pretty accurate readings of both latitude and longitude since, respectively, the invention of the sextant and the Harrison H4 watch.
The Walsh and Chapman dataset is a meta-analysis derived from 8 primary data sources, and spectacularly fails to support the claims that the 30+ years of decline in Arctic Sea Ice extent is merely the down-slope of a 60-70 year cycle. On the contrary, the figures suggest that, up to that time, 1979 had the lowest extent thus far recorded.
The figures from 1900 onward (seasonal and annual) are clearly shown in graphical format at the top of the CT homepage, but more extensive information is a mere 3 mouse clicks away. At the bottom of the CT page, click once to access the Polar Research Group, a second click accesses the archive page, and then one can select from the list.
Of course, if there is some valid reason to reject the Walsh Chapman data as wildly inaccurate, then that would be very interesting to learn. If it is “hoax” data, then they have been keeping a straight face for many decades, since at least one of the papers that constituted the body of work was written in 1978.
Jeff sez:
“I wasnt aware that I had to submit a prediction to comment here.”
Just as I thought. BTW, I didn’t criticize Steve about his sea ice prediction. Look forward to your prediction for next year. Let us know what your number is.
Jeff sez:
“NO. Just looking at the Hudson Bay and you can see its way behind schedule.”
What schedule is that? LOL.
Jeff sez:
“Youre entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.”
So the arctic isn’t freezing right now? Really? Hmmmm… You should go up there and check it out. Be sure to wear your short sleeved shirt, bermuda pants, and flip flops.
Replying to bill the frog @ur momisugly November 24, 2010 at 2:42 am
I have not checked lately, but there was a footnote on the UCIC graph on Arctic Ice from 1900 onward that stated: “Some of the data sources used to prepare this graph may be considered unreliable.” In addition, there are a number of recorded observataions that contradict the result of the meta-analysis, and therefore many people who are aware of meta-analysis consciously leave it out in discussions on Arctic Ice. Perhaps, a similar situation is Bristlecones. An analysis of Bristlecones in Western North America may suggest that the Arctic and Northern Hemisphere was not warm 1000 years ago, but we have physical proof that Vikings farmed land that subsequently has been covered in ice. So the bristlecones show what bristlecones show, but we leave them out when discussing Viking settlements in Greenland.
bill the frog:
I know you don’t see it this way, but your entire post is ridiculous. There has been tracking, and it’s completely and totally different from satellite tracking. It was being done for a different purpose, and worked with different data and different types of data. You said:
It really doesn’t matter if it was “derived” from 1000 primary data sources. The numbers will be different from satellite. If you want to compare “then” with “now”, then you MUST gather the data the same way now as it was then. Unless you can time travel and get a satellite in place then.
Figures don’t “suggest” anything, people do. And after reading this kind of assertion I have a few “suggestions” of my own.
Here’s one: why are the warmists so eager to discard older CO2 measurements that don’t support their hypothesis, but just as eager to embrace older ice measurements that do seem to support their hypothesis?