
Do not expect to read much about this in the NY Times — and definitely don’t expect any follow up questions about his motivation for climate policy ($$$). Former Vice President Al Gore has admitted that his “support for corn-based ethanol in the United States was “not a good policy”, weeks before tax credits are up for renewal.”
Gore was the tie-breaking vote in the Senate mandating the use of ethanol in 1994.
From Reuters:
“It is not a good policy to have these massive subsidies for (U.S.) first generation ethanol,” said Gore, speaking at a green energy business conference in Athens sponsored by Marfin Popular Bank.
“First generation ethanol I think was a mistake. The energy conversion ratios are at best very small.
“It’s hard once such a programme is put in place to deal with the lobbies that keep it going.”
He continues (admitting more of the obvious):
“One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president.”
However, don’t make the mistake that he has had an epiphany on climate change:
Gore supported so-called second generation technologies which do not compete with food, for example cellulosic technologies which use chemicals or enzymes to extract sugar from fibre for example in wood, waste or grass.
“I do think second and third generation that don’t compete with food prices will play an increasing role, certainly with aviation fuels.”
Gore added did that he did not expect a U.S. clean energy or climate bill for “at least two years” following the mid-term elections which saw Republicans increase their support.
Again, the Democrats had 60 seats in the Senate, which is a filibuster proof majority and Pelosi controlled the House of Representatives with members to spare for most of 2009. They could have passed whatever they wanted. At least two years is translated: maybe in 2012 if Obama is re-elected, the Dems take back the House, and they don’t lose the Senate. In other words, the bill is dead.
Man-Bear-Pig admits one error, but can’t see back to how his entire thesis is founded on quicksand. Why should I listen to a man who can’t tell the difference between cm and mm?
Gore wrong again.
1. The energy balance may not be great but it is still postive
2. Energy balance is not everything. There is a shortage of liquid fuels to drive cars, but abundance of other fuels such as coal, uranium etc. Corn ethanol helps to close the price gap, it is much better than coal liquidification and reduces oil imorts from ugly regimes in the middle east and venezuela.
3. Corn ethanol has helped to stabilize corn prices and provide good income for US farmers and affiliated industry workers.
5. Heartland people hate Al Gore. This is just his primitive reaction.
Btw, over 40% of the US corn crop currently goes to ethanol. That’s a lot of money. Here’s a take from the farming community on Gore’s comment: http://www.dtnprogressivefarmer.com/dtnag/common/link.do;jsessionid=B97527348ABF2B4AD962DBC0C10280A9.agfreejvm2?symbolicName=/ag/blogs/template1&blogHandle=grainmarkets&blogEntryId=8a82c0bc2a8c8730012c743ff1891725&showCommentsOverride=false
Pity the investors that dropped billions on the ethanol plants scattered across Illinois. They were suckered in, just as the wind-farm investors are now.
Corn….best used for food, livestock feed, and…..what’s that country song……
Rain makes corn
Corn makes whiskey
Whiskey makes my girlfriend
Feel a little frisky
This article adds a bit more information directly relevant to this issue. Al Gore, who of course claimed “An Inconventient Truth” was oh so scientifically accurate, only to have actual legal trial in the UK find it had more than 9 material fallicies and can now only be shown in UK schools as a political film, with warnings about it having significant scientific errors… Al Gore who presents himself as supposedly understanding science – yet he either never bothered to research using biofuels for ethanol, or worse, knew better and was solely pandering for votes. Either way, incompetant, or just downright evil – or both. Take your pick.
Many years ago when his first book came out I was at the book store and picked it up off the shelf. Opening it to a random page, I read a bit that came across as sort of pensive-whiney, along the lines of “So, here we were, miles and miles from the shore on the boat, and I saw this dead fish float to the surface of the ocean. And I thought to myself how awful it was that even in the middle of the ocean, man’s pollution was killing all the fish….” I closed the book and put it back in utter disgust right then. Like, gee, there couldn’t be any non-man-made causes for a single fish to die anywhere in the ocean? No diseases? No attacks from predator fishes that wound up injuring the fish so it later died? He went on from there without ever mentioning any of those possibilities if I recall correctly. Just how un-scientific can someone get? That was the acute and utter loss of any respect I had for the man’s logic and scientific credibility. /vent
Here’s the article:
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/22/gore-on-second-thought-i-was-just-pandering-to-the-farm-vote-on-ethanol/
which adds a little useful supplemental info to Ryan Maue’s article. I imagine many of the associated calculations are controversial depending on who’s doing them and what is or isn’t considered and added in, and I wish they’d included sugarcane. Also, I’m no farmer, but aren’t most of the secondary sources, such as corn stalks, actually quite beneficial as fertilizer/soil conditioners when plowed under? Or is that now moot with no-till farming methods?
Anyhow for whatever it’s worth, here are the key bits from the article I linked above:
Gore now says he supports second-generation ethanol to avoid using food, instead using wood, waste fiber, and grass. But the same Slate report shows that these technologies actually perform worse than corn for ethanol:
David Pimentel, a professor of ecology at Cornell University who has been studying grain alcohol for 20 years, and Tad Patzek, an engineering professor at the University of California, Berkeley, co-wrote a recent report that estimates that making ethanol from corn requires 29 percent more fossil energy than the ethanol fuel itself actually contains.
The article also adds an update to their original – they’ve got links embedded in each of the bits below, but I’ll leave that for the reader here to find in their article rather than trying to recreate each here:
Update: On that note, here’s this from commenter Selias:
It’s all about Al Gore Inc.
We need congressional hearing on this and the whole ‘global warming’ scam. The GOP should investigate Al Gore in particular, and demand he appear in public sessions (plural). He has made $1 billion out of the so-called ‘global warming’ scam, and justice demads that he is deprived of this wealth, and jailed.
GOP, find a way, and put a final end to this nightmare.
1. The energy balance may not be great but it is still postive – sort of like gruel may not be good but it’s still food?
2. Energy balance is not everything. There is a shortage of liquid fuels to drive cars, but abundance of other fuels such as coal, uranium etc. Corn ethanol helps to close the price gap, it is much better than coal liquidification and reduces oil imorts from ugly regimes in the middle east and venezuela. And it burns less efficiently, increasing the amount of fuel per mile
3. Corn ethanol has helped to stabilize corn prices and provide good income for US farmers and affiliated industry workers. It raises the prices, making CORPORATE farmers richer
5. Heartland people hate Al Gore. This is just his primitive reaction. Do you mean “their” reaction? Are you implying the common man isn’t smart enough to see through Gore’s sermons?
Better try read this, with Google translate:
http://expianetadidio.blogspot.com/2010/07/estinzione-magnetica.html
speaking of obvious, it’s becoming glaringly obvious that WUWT (and most other contrarian sites) are avaoiding the Wegman scandal. I wonder why that is?
REPLY: Speaking of obvious, its obvious that you haven’t done your homework. We’ve had posts WAY IN ADVANCE of the current hubub being stirred up by USA Today, who was late to the party by about a month.
On Bradley: Blackmail or Let’s Make a Deal. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/21/blackmail-or-lets-make-a-deal/
Bradley Copies Fritts http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/18/bradley-copies-fritts/
How to solve attribution conflicts in climate science http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/15/how-to-solve-attribution-conflicts-in-climate-science/
Manic Flail: Epic Fail http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/12/manic-flail-epic-fail/
Dipping Into The Sour Mash, Part 2 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/10/dipping-into-the-sour-mash-part-2/
Mashey Potatoes, Part 1 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/09/mashey-potatoes-part-1/
Wordsmithing http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/09/wordsmithing/
On Wegman – Who will guard the guards themselves? http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/08/on-wegman-who-will-guard-the-guards-themselves/
Is that enough or do you still think we are “ignoring” it? Sheesh – Anthony Watts
To the people who invariably come into these forums to defend “corn squeezin’s” as a fuel:
Have you ever actually compared your mileage?
My car gets 13 to 15 % fewer miles on a 10 % ethanol blend than on pure gas.
In what kind of Bizarro universe can such a substance be called a fuel? Granted, it might work better in an engine designed to run on it, but since virtually nobody has such an engine, and outfitting every existing car with such an engine would represent a HUGE energy expense, I refer you back to the Bizarro universe question.
Similar economics applies to wind, solar and most renewables. Gore’s ignorance of, or ignoring of, the facts is shared by the Coalition ruling the UK. God help us!
A full post on the science and economics of ‘renewables’, including technical difficulties of base load supply,transmission costs and intergration with existing grid, would be appreciated.
Nice to hear from Gail Combs.
@ur momisugly Rational Debate says:
November 22, 2010 at 11:05 am
RE: your no-till question.
“No-till” doesn’t mean that NO tilling is done. I simply means that it’s very shallow and leaves most of the stover, etc. on the surface. There are other methods such as vertical tilling, and so on also. What the farmer does depends a great deal on what crops were grown and what cover crops are to be used. No-till doesn’t work well for corn, btw. Major downsides to so-called “no-till” are insect infestations, weeds, and disease that affect the next planting, which means higher application of a variety of insecticides, herbicides, etc. . Weather also plays a significant role in this decision.
Tamsie says:
November 22, 2010 at 11:29 am
speaking of obvious, it’s becoming glaringly obvious that WUWT (and most other contrarian sites) are avaoiding the Wegman scandal. I wonder why that is?
Yeah, and what about the fact that Barack Obama had Elvis’ baby?
Tamsie,
Yes, come to WUWT to get the breaking news first – whether it be things you like (Wegman controversy) or don’t like (Jones/Mann controversy – aka “Climategate”)
Tamsie says:
November 22, 2010 at 11:29 am
Wow – how stupid do you feel right now??
The slow horse finally crosses the line…
Surely an important point is whether he made money out of it? Has this aspect been investigated? He might say now it was a mistake but what was he doing when he was supporting it back then?
I couldn’t have said it better myself. You hit nail on head my friend.
As Steve Milloy points out over at the Green Hell blog, Gore still stands to profit from so-called second generation technologies because of Gore’s ties with Kleiner Perkins Caulfield and Byers (KPCB):
http://greenhellblog.com/2010/11/22/al-gore-cries-crocodile-tears-over-ethanol/
“At least two years is translated: maybe in 2012 if Obama is re-elected, the Dems take back the House, and they don’t lose the Senate. In other words, the bill is dead. ”
Please don’t underestimate the ability of the Republican party to fumble it’s way to a Dem victory. Also remember that the state media is Dem controlled. I think the games is closer than you think.
I don’t know, maybe my steaks cost a bit more these days, but mostly I eat chicken, but at least the farmers aren’t piling the corn on the ground anymore, which must be good for something.
@ur momisugly bob says:
November 22, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I don’t know, maybe my steaks cost a bit more these days, but mostly I eat chicken, but at least the farmers aren’t piling the corn on the ground anymore, which must be good for something.
Different varieties of corn are grown for different markets and they are not interchangeable due to different pricing, etc.. Over 40% of the total corn crop is grown specifically for ethanol. Other varieties go to animal feed, corn syrup, “pop” corn, etc. Very little of the total crop actually ends up on your dinner plate.
People are dead because of this man’s hubris. Mostly children.
Not pretend dead as in a model prediction which never comes true, but dead and buried.
We told you so, you fracking fools. (Apologies to Robert Conquest.)
Al Gore knew the EROEI wasn’t there in the first place!
So, why did he vote for it?