The Global Warming hearing today on C-SPAN included Dr. Richard Lindzen, Dr Judth Curry, Dr. Pat Michaels, Dr. Ben Santer, and Dr. Heidi Cullen, among others. Many didn’t get a chance to watch (to see if Ben Santer “beat the crap out of Pat Michaels“) but we have the video here.
C-SPAN: House Subcommittee on Energy and Environment heard from a dozen witnesses about how the public and private sectors are approaching climate change. Washington, DC : 3 hr. 47 min.
It is now online and can be watched in full at this link:
h/t to WUWT reader Rational Debate
Myth: The World is Running Out of Oil (Video) (5min) (ABC News)
If we do at some time the future, markets will determine what is the most economically viable on their own. As the price of oil rises, once it surpasses the next most economically viable liquid fuel, that will be adopted on it’s own. There was no peak whale oil crisis.
I think he gave short shrift to biomass potential because he doesn’t understand the potential for GM organisms designed to sustainably produce liquid fuels in marginal environments.
Any realistic potential investors will capitalize on, the fact that they are not is because these fuels have not been shown to be economically viable and cannot compete with oil.
This nonsense, nothing and I mean nothing can replace the energy density and efficiency from foreign sources of oil like Saudi Arabia. No such magic energy sources exists. Global Competitiveness means large quantities of economically viable sources of energy and for transportation that means oil.
5 Myths About Breaking Our Foreign Oil Habit (The Washington Post)
Jon Stewart Vivisects “Energy Independence” (Energy Tribune, June 29, 2010)
“98 doctors agree on the way to treat the patient is this and 2 disagree”
This statement was made by the “well informed” Congressman to show how silly it is to not conform with the 98% instead of the 2% in acting on scientific issues. Even granting the accuracy, or not, of his example, fast-back to the end of our first president’s life.
He was struck by a severe fever and, as prescribed by at least 98% of his doctor’s “well informed” community of doctors, he was bled at least twice. And died. It must have been the fever. Maybe they didn’t bleed him enough. Let’s hear it for the 98% rule of Lemming behavior.
A more bearable way to watch this,
Global Climate Change Panel 1 (Subcommittee on Energy & Environment, November 17, 2010)
Global Climate Change Panel 2 (Subcommittee on Energy & Environment, November 17, 2010)
Global Climate Change Panel 3 (Subcommittee on Energy & Environment, November 17, 2010)
Policyguy says:
November 18, 2010 at 9:06 pm
“98 doctors agree on the way to treat the patient is this and 2 disagree”
This statement was made by the “well informed” Congressman to show how silly it is to not conform with the 98% instead of the 2% in acting on scientific issues.
Two Australian scientists who upset medical dogma by discovering a bacterium that causes stomach inflammation, ulcers and cancer won the 2005 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine yesterday.
The winners were Dr. Barry J. Marshall, 54, a gastroenterologist from the University of Western Australia in Nedlands, and Dr. J. Robin Warren, 68, a retired pathologist from the Royal Perth Hospital.
Barry Marshall and Robin Warren, celebrating their Nobel Prize.
They won the Nobel Prize for medicine for their discovery of the bacterium Helicobacter pylori, above.
The findings by the Australians in the early 1980’s went so against medical thinking, which held that psychological stress caused stomach and duodenal ulcers, that it took many more years for an entrenched medical profession to accept it.
Ring any bells.
Well I noticed the bottled water in front of Heidi Cullen; or maybe it belonged to the chap next to her; Meehl or whatever his name was. Then I saw an indentical water bottole in Front of Professor Lindzen. and then it clicked; hey that’s exactly what I have been looking for.
So I fell off into a dream; that I was sitting on one of those panels; and somebody like Hansen or Mann; or more likely Dr Heidi was giving the committee a Jane Lubchenko style science demonstration of the greenhouse effect. You know; the one where you prepare two identical samples of dry air, in containers with masked thermometers; and you shine an ordinary incandescent light bulb equally on the two and show that they heat up a bit. Then you squirt a chip of dry ice into one to “double” the amount of CO2 (the only GHG present); and you repeat the demo with the lamp and after a while, the sample that you flooded with extra CO2 shows a 1 1/2 degree F Temperature increase over the other sample. Voilla !!! the green house effect is thus demonstrated.
At that point I would awaken from my slumber; and holler: “I object !” What could I possibly object to; the Science Guy; and Mythbusters have all done this experiment to show that it does work.
So I point out that the solar radiation spectrum is about like a 6,000 K black body radiation curve; but attenuated down to 1366 W/m^2 at the earth’s mean orbit; and its spectrum peak is at about 500 nm wavelength.
The earth emitted LWIR on the other hand corresponding to about 288 K equivalent BB radiation spectrum; emits about 390 W/m^2 and has a spectral peak at 10.1 microns; while CO2 absorbs strongly in the 13.5 to 16.5 micron band.
Now Heidi’s demonstration lamp IR source has about a 2800 K spectral Temperature; about half that of the sun; and also about ten times that of the actual real earth surface Temperature.
So their “IR emitting lamp” at about 2800 K has a peak wavelength of about 1.0 microns; about twice that of the sun; and H2O has significant absorption bands at 0.94 microns, and 1.1 microns, and then others at longer wavelength; so those wavelengths are strongly absorbed from the incandescent lamp by the water in the human body skin; which warms the skin; and registers itself on our senses as “HEAT”. That’s why it feels warm to us.
At 2800 K it is 10 times the Temperature of the real mean earth; so it is emitting 10,000 times the W/m^2 that a real earth surface would be emitting at 288 K. So with 10,000 times the irradiance; and a heap more CO2; they can actually get a 1 1/2 degree increment over the baseline sample.
So what I would do next, is to switch off their lamp and get it out of there and replace it with a near perfect 288 K or thereabouts black body radiation emitter at 390 w/m^2.
There it is sitting right in front of me; that damn bottle of water !.
So put that in front of your two air samples, and tell us how much Temperature rise you now get; and what the differential is between the two carefully prepared samples.
Yes what a dream; man would I like to make that dmonstration to that Congressional committee. I mean, they wouldn’t even let you in the building with a brick out of your garden; but they will actually provide the bottle of water for you, and we already know pretty well what its LWIR emissivity is. Absolutely perfect !
Being French Canadian sometime my English fails me.. Can someone explain what Dr Sanders graph at 1:36 means? ” In computer models of the climate system,the observed warming cannot be explained by natural causes” ????
ooops! should be Santer
George E. Smith says:
November 19, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Beautiful Demo!
Dr Lindzen is the real life Dr Spock absolutely Logical without bias, emotion and alternative agenda A real scientist!.
Yes, isn’t he remarkable for his apparent disinterest in whole thing. Wasn’t that Mr Spock ‘though, rather than the celebrated child psychologist :
Without Dr. Lindzen’s testimony and correction of dubious statements of other presenters the whole show would have been a dishonest mess.
I found Feely’s testimony very disturbing as I am not up to speed with the subject and there was no one to put what he was saying into context.
Is it possible for WUWT to have someone post his testimony and analyse what he was saying. According to him life in the ocean is going to collaspse (due to some of the small criters dying out) when CO2 reached approx. 500 ppm. He said it with a straight face and the congressmen on the panel looked quite stricken.
Ray Toster
Tatton says:
November 18, 2010 at 7:12 am
I only just got around to watching the whole video. (Wish I hadn’t!)
Bairds recounting of how he saved his party in a white-out was ridiculous! My understanding is that in a white-out, you stay put & make camp. Compass & a topo map just doesn’t cut it.
Clown
DaveE.