Via CBC News, what a great irony for Climategate day:
Senate kills climate change bill
Last Updated: Wednesday, November 17, 2010
The Canadian Press
Senators have voted down an opposition bill to tackle climate change with just days to go before another round of United Nations talks in Mexico.
NDP Leader Jack Layton, whose party introduced the bill, says it’s “outrageous” an unelected Senate can kill what he says is important legislation.
The bill — the Climate Change Accountability Act — has spent the last year or so bouncing between the full House of Commons and its environment committee. The vote was late Tuesday.
The legislation calls for greenhouse gases to be cut 25 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020.
That’s more stringent than the Harper government’s goal of a 17 per cent emissions cut from 2005 levels by 2020, which is in line with the Obama administration’s targets in the United States.
Delegates from nearly 200 countries will meet in the resort town of Cancun later this month and try to broker an international climate-change deal.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/11/17/senate-climate-bill.html#ixzz15Z4F3lHv
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h/t to a bunch of people who read WUWT, so many I couldn’t choose who to credit with a hat tip, soo I’ll hat tip you all.
“Delegates from nearly 200 countries will meet in the resort town of Cancun later this month and try to broker an international climate-change deal.”
Translation :
“Delegates from nearly 200 countries will meet in the resort town of Cancun later this month and have a bloody good time at tax payers expense.”
Stephan says:
November 17, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I still think that this site should stick to meteorogical data and graphs rather than politics etc..In the end that’s what will count. Ie: what I am saying we are falling for the AGW crowd if we don’t
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Stephan – AGW is a political movement. How do you propose to keep the politics out of it?
All the best.
First good thing I’ve heard about the Canadian Senate since I fled Canada in the 90s.
Last time I went up to the Old Country for a visit David Suzuki passed me doing 10 kph over the limit on King George in Surrey. Got a big giggle over that – his little Stupid Car passing my big pickup (actually a not-so-big Nissan).
BTW, saw a great picture yesterday of the Stupid Car smooshed between two trucks. Trucks didn’t look scratched, but the Stupid Car was a pancake between them. Gotta wonder how these things ever got safety approval.
If you don’t mind in these trying times and now that this thread is getting long in the tooth, a little prescient topic relevant to today.
Enough Is Enough!
Timing is everything, it is not enough to stop the CO2 bedwetters inc, politicians pushing public policy on fraudulent science are committing treason if they are aware of the fraud. Staggeringly incompetent if they have not checked the facts for themselves. This collapse of the sciency consensus, has the potential to wipe out(briefly) the leftwing twits so common in politics up here. For example, ” My honourable opponent is so guillible/stupid/lazy he/she did not bother to verify before committing to/ believing the AWG scare.” The fallout is going to drag out for years, I will remind them and I am sure others will, after all I did not attack them and call their character into question, all I did was ask for the science upon which the proposed policy was based. What I got was baseless assurances of the credibility of the IPCC. I wonder what the next reply will be as the Minister of the Environment has resigned and cap and trade is dead.(Thanks USA). And I intend to make great use of the precautionary principle on these same people, its only fair, for it is indisputable that they attempted to impoverish my country, what ever their motivation. Of course MG4W is the best answer, how do we get ,”I’m a Denier “massive airplay? As the real thing the loons fear is being laughed at.
Stephan says:
November 17, 2010 at 6:26 pm
No, Stephan. What the POLITICIANS do with the meteorological data/graphs in the end is EXACTLY what matters. Besides, they’ve fudged the numbers anyways, so it doesn’t really matter WHAT the data/graphs say. Bad politics must be illuminated in the brightest fashion possible.
Wait to see how some people from Quebec will use this as another reason to dissociate from Canada 🙂
In the mean time in the US Senate Testimony:
http://democrats.science.house.gov/Media/file/Commdocs/hearings/2010/Energy/17nov/Lindzen_Testimony.pdf
It’s a day to be proud of our Canadian senators who are often asleep or absent. The death of this insane bill has the green militia frothing at the mouth and biting themselves in fury. What a fitting way to mark the Climategate anniversary.
Municipal governments and their green councillor are using activists of the Suzuki Foundation – sorry concerned citizens, of course- to help draft climate action plans that are for the moment presented as voluntary but in fact at a 2015 horizon will become mandatory with retrofitting obligations and fines for no-compliance.
Check your own municipality, recognize the names -unelected greens- compare them with Suzuki Foundation activists, see how infiltrated they are and how they are preparing to shave your dollars in the name of GHG limitation!
Obama is trying hard… to lobby Canada for carbon pricing!
http://ca.rss.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/101117/national/climate_change_us_cda
The Big Green is still fighting to tax us…
Canada P.M. Stephen Harper in question period today, quote:
“It sets irresponsible targets, doesn’t lay out any measure of achieving them other than … by shutting down sections of the Canadian economy and throwing hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of people out of work,” Harper said. “Of course, we will never support such legislation.”
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/11/17/senate-climate-bill.html#ixzz15bTW0KNn
Also check out the video here…. Harper comes on at about 3 minutes
http://www.cbc.ca/video/player.html?category=News&zone=canada&site=cbc.news.ca&clipid=1648669835
oops, didn’t mean to provide the same link you already provided in the post Anthony. Mods delete that part if you like. The point was to highlight the video for the non-Canadians, which explains some of the parliamentary procedural tactics.
Also to highlight the Harper quote, he is no longer bothering to be diplomatic on this topic. That is a positive change.
Congrats Canucks. Take it from a Down Souther who has enjoyed the Canadian Sunset for more than 50 years you may or may not want to replace your “House of Lords” with an elected Senate. It took us more than a century to enact the 17th Amendment in April 1913 to get away from appointed Senators to elected Senators. The change from appointment to election brings benefits such as orderly transition from on social epoc to another. No more stodgy “in my day….” oratory, but not too fast of changes. An elected Senate may help tackle the indigenous “separate but equal” status of the Quebec; a more problem solving mentality with more currently aware Senators. Maybe a reconstituted elected Senate may offer another avenue for priminister leadership potential. None the less, Canada is better off now than in the era of myopic Defenbacher, and you sure helped us a lot during the tumultuous Iran Theocracy Revolution. Hmmm. An elected Senate vs the current Canadian version of an appointed House of Lords.
Is it possible to reduce government by 80% by 2050?
Probably not as long as slavery still exists…
very good
Rich says:
November 17, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Yes, we dodged that bullet but I take little comfort in that.
From a news report:- “A number of Liberals were not in the Senate when the vote occurred, and the bill died with a tally of 43-32. ”
Hopefully their absence was planned as part of some sort of deal; otherwise,
I can see a second try …a zombie if you like…. with the opposite result.
We need to be as vocal as possible everywhere we can to denounce this if it reappears.
And it looks like there may have been a procedural error on the part of the Liberal senators that initiated the vote when they were missing a good number of their cohort. A fortunate accident, by the look of it. They will likely try to reintroduce it, but it was a private members bill that was defeated, so I believe it cannot be reintroduced again (in the same form) in this legislative session.
I love the result, but not the method.
Unelected politicians struck down something that elected politicians passed. But maybe that says something about why we still have the senate.
While we are busy fiddling like, ‘nothing is happening’, the living world is out of here.
How does climate change tie in with this?
Try:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6502368/
and
http://www.iucnredlist.org/
Michael says:
November 17, 2010 at 11:20 am
Greek PM Says it at Last: Carbon Taxes are Just Another Way to Raise Revenue
If Carbon Tax is refused, Europe clearly needs Salt Tax. Ocean salinification has already gone too far. It is undeniable, seawater simply fails to be fresh, anywhere. And.. wait.. infamous salt deniers like Gandhi were always paid by Big Salt, weren’t they?
Good news for Canada and hope for the world.
Hey! can I get a free trip to Cancun if I agree with these lunes?
Fishmarket says: “While we are busy fiddling like, ‘nothing is happening’, the living world is out of here.
How does climate change tie in with this? ”
Point is the science seems to be settled in the warmist point of view, however that cannot be further from the truth.
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/oct2010/2010-10-26-01.html
Red says:
November 18, 2010 at 1:27 am
I love the result, but not the method.
Unelected politicians struck down something that elected politicians passed. But maybe that says something about why we still have the senate.
The purpose of the Canadian Senate is supposed to “sober second thought” or “sober second sight”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_senate
It seems to me that they did their job.
Vince Causey says:
November 17, 2010 at 1:42 pm
I am not so naive to think that the system works just as it should, that there are not underhanded dealings and such that take place. But that doesn’t mean that the current system should be abused. If we want to reform it, I am all for that. We can hopefully do that through our vote.
Abuse of the system isn’t something that should be tolerated, or cheered as so many seem to be doing here.
We elected those officials to be our voice. We can whine and complain all we want (provided you voted of course), but like it or lump it, they are who we the people chose to represent us. If you don’t like it, vote for someone else. You have that right, but no one should have the right to abuse the system we live in just because you don’t agree with others.
Fishmarket says: November 18, 2010 at 1:30 am
While we are busy fiddling like, ‘nothing is happening’, the living world is out of here.
How does climate change tie in with this?
Try:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6502368/
and
http://www.iucnredlist.org/
I don’t know what your point is here. Probably because I haven’t looked at your “data source”.
Posting MSNBC as a citation on WUWT is irrational.