
Guest post by Dr. Walt Meier
Now that the summer is over, I thought people might be interested in a bit of retrospective of the sea ice melt season in 2010 and in the longer-term context. NSIDC provided a brief recap and the SEARCH Sea Ice Outlook will soon have their own recap. However, I can explain in a bit more detail and directly address some issues that arose here over the summer.
First, I thank Anthony for this opportunity and him and Steve for their frequent posts this summer, and for the handy sea ice reference page. It is nice to see climate and sea ice issues brought to an audience that might otherwise not hear about them. I hope the information will bring further clarity to some sea ice and polar climate processes. Some of the issues below, I at least touched on earlier this summer in posts here and here. As usual, I’m speaking for myself and not as a representative of the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSDIC) or the University of Colorado.
Recap of summer predictions
I will start with a discussion of the prognostications from earlier this spring. In the June SEARCH Sea Ice Outlook there was fairly broad range of estimates, from 4.2 to 5.7 million square kilometers. If I remember correctly, Steve and Anthony’s estimates were 5.5 and 5.1 million square kilometers respectively. NSIDC’s initial estimate in June was 5.5 million square kilometers.
The first thing to point out is that none of the estimates approached the 1979-2000 monthly September average of 7.0 million square kilometers. Even the highest estimates were nearly 20% lower. This is a recognition that conditions have clearly changed since the 1980s and 1990s. It is no longer plausible to prognosticate anything near average levels. (For those who are curious, the 1979-2010 average, which of course includes the recent very low years, is 6.58 million square kilometers. Only one outlook (5.7 by Tivy) was within 1 million square kilometers of that value.)
NSIDC’s June estimate was too high compared to what actually happened. This is not at all surprising to me. We used a method that relies on past survival rates of ice of different ages. However, conditions have changed with the Arctic sea ice – the ice overall is thinner and less consolidated. Predictions based on past behavior are less likely to be valid. In other words, the odds of have changed. Steve’s prediction was based on a similar premise – the apparent similarity between winter 2006 and 2010 ice thickness patterns in the PIPS model.
Over the summer there was discussion ascribing the lower than predicted minimum extent primarily to ice motion. Ice motion indeed plays a role in the seasonal evolution of the ice cover as well as the interannual variation in the multiyear ice cover. However, to ascribe all or even the majority of sea ice changes to ice motion is simply wrong. As I discussed in my post earlier this summer, even in an extreme year like 2007, only a third of the extreme loss was due to anomalous ice motion. Over longer time scales, it has been shown that the Arctic Oscillation influences how much multiyear ice (MYI – ice that has survived at least one summer melt season) stays in the Arctic vs. how much leaves the Arctic over the winter, which in turn affects how much ice remains at the end of summer. For example, over the past winter, we had an extreme negative AO, which kept a lot of MYI in the central Arctic.
This summer was not particularly extreme in terms of ice motion. There were times during the summer where the ice pack was pushed together in some places, while at other times the motion was not a factor or even pushed the ice edge outward.
The importance of bottom and lateral melt
One factor that wasn’t discussed much is melt at the bottom and sides of the ice. This melt depends on the ocean temperatures. During summer when ice melts and open water is exposed, the ocean warms. The ocean accumulates heat which can then melt the ice, both along the edges (lateral melt) of the ice and on the bottom of the ice as currents move the warmer water under the ice and/or the ice is pushed over warmer water by winds. Most of the late season ice melt is due to lateral and bottom melt because the surface has cooled with the setting sun. This explains why even when the DMI air temperatures commonly discussed in the WUWT Sea Ice News, go below freezing around mid-August, there is still another month left in the melt season and extent continues to decline at least a few hundred thousand more square kilometers after mid-August. This year ocean temperatures were not as extreme as the past few summers, but there was still a considerable amount of ocean heat available to melt sea ice.
The bottom line is that while winds can make a difference at times, the overriding factor in seasonal and long-term Arctic sea ice decline is that warmer temperatures lead to less ice.
Why forecasts were too high
The biggest change in the ice over the past several years is that the ice is thinner overall than it used to be and there is less of the thicker, older ice. Another thing is that the old ice that remains is less consolidated – scattered floes of old ice with thinner, younger ice in between instead of tightly packed together. These factors affect the seasonal evolution of the summer sea ice in two ways. First, when the thicker, older ice is in broken up floes, it is more easily “attacked” on all sides by the ocean heat and can potentially be melted completely. Second, the less consolidated ice is more easily pushed around by the ice and more susceptible to winds pushing the ice together – in other words, the effect of the wind is amplified.
I think this is a major reason why a lot of the forecasts were too high. The tongue of mostly MYI in the Beaufort Sea completely melted out. In 2006, there was enough thick and consolidated ice to be vanguard against further ice loss, but by 2010 it was thinner and less consolidated and melted completely (Figure 1). This can be seen clearly in the ice age animation for the past year (Figure 2). The nice thing about these fields is that they show the effect of both motion and melt. If the extent decline were primarily motion, we would simply see the MYI in the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas get pushed together. Instead however, we see the older ice disappear over the summer, i.e., it melts (Figure 2).
Figure 1. Arctic sea ice age during March (left) and September (right) for 2006 (top) and 2010 (bottom). The color key denotes the age of ice (a value of “1” means first-year ice or ice that is 0-1 year old, etc.). Thanks to C. Fowler, Univ. of Colorado, for providing images.
Figure 2. Animation of sea ice age from September 2009 through September 2010. The color key denotes the age of ice (a value of “1” means first-year ice or ice that is 0-1 year old, etc.). The number in the lower right corner denotes the week of the year (1-52). Thanks to C. Fowler, Univ. of Colorado, for providing animation.
After the past couple of summers, there has been a build-up of young MYI – ice between 1 and 3 years old. It had been thought that this MYI would “buffer” the summer ice loss and keep extents from dropping too low. However, watch the animation (Figure 2) closely and see that the 3rd year ice (ice that is 2-3 years old, in green), dispersed and melted or exited out of the Arctic through the winter-spring of 2009-2010. So there was very little replenishment of the older ice. A lot of the 2nd year ice remained at the end of this summer, which has now aged into 3rd year ice. So maybe there’s hope for next year, but what we’re seeing is that the MYI just is not surviving like it used to. There is now almost no ice older than 4 years old remaining in the Arctic. This is a stark and fundamental change in the character of the Arctic sea ice.
PIPS vs. PIOMAS revisited
There was a lot of discussion earlier this year on the PIPS model sea ice fields vs. the PIOMAS model fields (e.g., here). At the beginning of the melt season, PIPS showed quite a bit of thick (3-4 m) ice throughout much of the Arctic Ocean, which wouldn’t be expected to melt completely. This portended less loss of ice during the summer. However, the PIPS fields did not agree well with the ice age fields, which showed less thick ice and a more dispersed multiyear ice cover. As it turned out, I think the PIPS were indeed to too thick, resulting in a forecast that was too high.
On the other hand, the PIOMAS total volume anomaly estimates were quite low going into the summer, indicating thinner ice and suggesting a low extent was likely. As I said previously, the volume seemed to me to be too low. Indeed, the PIOMAS forecast was lower than the actual minimum, though in the end it didn’t do a half-bad job in its prediction (4.7 predicted vs. 4.9 actual, in millions of sq km). To be sure, some of this could be attributed to luck, because there is always the wildcard of what the weather will do over the summer. Regardless, it is clear from the ice age, other ice thickness observations, and the overall state of the ice cover that volume is at or near record lows compared to at least the past 30 years. So while PIOMAS may be biased too low on ice volume, it captures the overall thinning trend and seems to better represent the actual state of the ice cover than PIPS.
Pre-satellite records of sea ice
Whenever I talk about “long-term” trends, I always see comments about how NSIDC’s data are only a 32 year record and hardly constitute “long-term” in the big picture of climate. This is a fair point. However unfortunate though it may be, that is all the data we have, at least in terms of a consistent and complete record. We have some data from earlier decades, but these are incomplete. For example, there was post earlier this week (October 16) about a recent book on longer-term sea ice changes in the 20th century. I read through this book earlier this year, so I’m familiar with it. As the title (“Climate Change in the Eurasian Arctic Shelf Seas”) states, the book analyzes data only the Russian shelf regions of the Arctic – it doesn’t include the central Arctic or U.S./Canadian Arctic, where a significant portion of the decline has occurred over the past decades. Their conclusions are drawn from data through only 2003, so with the recent low years since then, the observed patterns of variability may no longer hold. (There is a final section in the book on 2003-2008 sea ice conditions, but these data are discussed independently and are not incorporated to update their analyses earlier in the book.)
The book only superficially examines ice thickness changes (again only in the Russian shelf regions) and does not examine the recent thickness data from ICESat or the ice age fields. Finally, as it states in conclusion #2: “These cyclic oscillations of sea ice extent were superimposed on the background consisting of a negative long-term linear trend that characterizes gradual decrease of sea ice extent during the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st century.” In other words, even in the Russian data, there is a decline. The authors suggest this decline could be indicative of a longer cycle, but admit that such a conclusion can only be “conjectured”.
So while the book provides useful data (Russian information is often difficult to obtain), their conclusions about reasons for the changes in overall Arctic sea ice and the state of sea ice in the coming decades are more limited than the book seems to suggest. Andy Mahoney (a former colleague of mine at NSIDC) and others also analyzed the Russian data in a paper published in 2008 (Mahoney et al., 2008 – a brief summary is here).
Paleo records of sea ice
Even 100 years is still a fairly short period of time in terms of the history of the earth. However, in terms of climate change, such a period of time is enough discern the influence of large-scale forcing such as anthropogenic greenhouse gases. Nonetheless, it is useful to have longer-term data to understand climate history, particularly in terms of how sensitive various aspects of the climate system, such as sea ice, are to changes in climate forcings. We can obtain some information about earlier sea ice from proxy records, but it gets even more difficult to draw conclusions about conditions Arctic-wide.
For example, there was a post on September 23 about a 2006 paper discussing a proxy record indicating more extensive sea ice now than most of the past 9000 years. However, the paper is about a single record from a single location. It is very difficult to generalize from one isolated observation. As I mentioned in a previous post, the most recent and comprehensive analysis of all available proxy sea ice records, published earlier this year (Polyak et al., 2010 – note that Polyak is a co-author on the 2006 paper), indicates that current total Arctic-wide sea ice extents are likely lower than any time in the last several thousand years and are “not explainable by known natural variabilities”. The data are still sparse, but this is the best information we have at the moment.
The Northwest Passage, Northern Sea Route, and Circumnavigation of the Arctic
Navigation in the Arctic during the summer always gets a lot of interest. People point out that recent sailing expeditions through the Northwest Passage and Northern Sea Route (along the Siberian coast) are not unique in history. This is true. Amundsen navigated through the NWP in 1903, the Canadian vessel St. Roche went through the NWP a couple times in the 1940s. In 1969, the ice-strengthened freighter, USS Manhattan went through with Canadian icebreaker support. There were a few others before 2000. Many required icebreaker support or needed more than one summer to complete the journey (Amundsen needed nearly three summers). The Northeast Passage has been used by the Russians as an icebreaker-supported shipping route for many years and several ships have made the voyage.
However, this doesn’t mean conditions in the past were anything like today. They were not. While conditions will vary from year-to-year and I think it will be some time before either passage (especially the NWP) will be a reliable route, both passages have been far more open in recent years than in the past. What used to be a risky proposition, carefully navigating through narrow openings between ice floes, has in recent years become a mostly open water cruise with occasional ice (though still dangerous because even relatively small scattered floes of ice can damage a vessel). This year two vessels circumnavigated the pole through the two passages within one summer. In addition, several other vessels went through at least one of the passages this year. This is really quite remarkable and something I doubt anyone in the 20th century ever thought would be possible in 2010.
(Some complained when these expeditions were called “circumnavigating the Arctic” or “circumnavigating the Arctic Ocean” because they went south of Greenland. To technically circumnavigate the Arctic Ocean, one would need to follow the coast along the north coast of Greenland. This is true, but it in no way diminishes the feats nor does it contradict the reality that the Arctic is very different place than it was just twenty or thirty years ago.)
Antarctic sea ice
During the past Arctic summer, the Antarctic winter sea ice was showing some interesting behavior. As the Arctic ice declined, Antarctic ice went to much higher than normal levels. This caused a bit of a stir. It seemed like the Antarctic was headed to a record-shattering maximum. Alas, this did not happen. The extent went back to down to normal. Now it is again above normal. Such variability is characteristic of the Antarctic, especially in winter. The entire circumference of the Antarctic continent is surrounded by sea ice. Most of the ice is less than 1 meter thick, and much of it is less than 0.5 meters, particularly near the ice edge. This means shifts in currents and winds can quite quickly shift the ice edge in or out. So fairly dramatic ups and downs in Antarctic sea ice extent are not uncommon.
Nonethless, over the satellite record there is a small upward trend in overall Antarctic sea ice extent. The magnitude of the trend is much smaller than the Arctic (1-4% per decade vs. 3-11% per decade, depending on the month). And when you look at the spatial trends, where the decline is occurring, you see an interesting difference. In the Arctic, there is decline in almost all regions throughout the entire year (the Bering Sea during winter being the lone exception). In the Antarctic, all months are characterized by variation in the trends – in one region there is an increasing trend in extent and in another region there is a decrease (Figure 3). This is a clue that a main driver is changing circulation patterns, and indeed the changes in Antarctic sea ice have been linked to changes in circulation from the Southern Annular Mode (SAM – kind of an Arctic Oscillation [AO] for the southern hemisphere), for example in Turner et al. (2010) (key points can be read here). Circulation changes affect the Arctic sea ice too of course, particularly the AO, but the impact is even greater in the Antarctic because the ice is so thin and the ice boundary is completely open throughout the year (as opposed to the Arctic where for much of the year most of the ice edge borders the coast).
Figure 3. Trends in Arctic (top) and Antarctic (bottom) sea ice for (from left to right): September, December, March, and June. Red shades mean an increasing trend of sea ice; blue shades mean a decreasing trend. Images from the NSIDC Sea Ice Index. Other months show similar patterns and can be viewed using the Sea Ice Index browse tool.
But why has the SAM changed? Some scientists have suggested that a possible mechanism is the ozone hole. The ozone hole changes circulation high in the atmosphere, which then changes circulation at the surface. It is a plausible theory, supported by some evidence (discussed for example in Turner et al., 2010), but still tentative. Recently, there was paper (Sigmond and Fyfe, 2010) that showed results of a modeling study where the ozone hole did not increase sea ice in their model as had been expected (discussed here). It is rare these days that a single paper provides a final answer, so while the results are intriguing, it could be that the model is not capturing all the physical processes (e.g., the details of the interaction between snow and sea ice discussed below); or it could be that the model results are correct and a new explanation is needed.
Another study that was mentioned this past summer, discussed here, was the paper by Liu and Curry (2010) on the seeming contradiction that warmer temperatures over the Antarctic Ocean can lead to more sea ice (at least for a while). This seems counterintuitive, especially in light of my comment about the Arctic sea ice and temperatures above.
The key is that the Antarctic and the Arctic sea ice regions are very different places. In the Arctic, we have a relatively shallow, semi-enclosed body of water. There is a lot of freshwater from rivers input into the surface of the ocean. This less saline water floats on the surface, while heavier and warmer water sits below – in other words the ocean is stratified. That heavier water has a lot of heat in it, but it is difficult for the heat to reach the ice. The waters in the Antarctic are not well-stratified and there is a lot of potential heat from the ocean that can melt ice.
Another difference is that because the Arctic Ocean is almost completely surrounded by land, there is not as much moisture available and snow fall is relatively low. In contrast, Antarctica is surrounded on all sides by an ocean. While the middle of the Antarctic continent is a desert (because moisture cannot reach the high altitudes inland), the coastal and sea ice regions actually receive a lot of snow.
The snow has two effects. First, when it falls into the open ocean, it serves to freshen (and hence stratify) the surface layers. Then the more stable ocean surface makes sea ice formation easier by keeping more ocean heat below the surface. Second, when it falls onto sea ice it accumulates on top and “weighs down” the sea ice. With Antarctic sea ice being on average much thinner than the Arctic, it is not uncommon for the weight of the snow to push the top surface of the ice below the water line. When this occurs, the snow gets flooded by the ocean waters, which then freeze and form what is called “snow ice”. Effectively, the snow is converted to ice and thickens the ice cover.
When the atmosphere is warmer, it can hold more moisture, which in the Southern Ocean will fall as snow. This increase in snowfall then leads to more sea ice growth. This potential effect has been long known to scientists, and Liu and Curry’s paper is evidence that supports this idea (with the same caveats above that this is just one paper). Thus, warmer temperatures can lead to more sea ice. At least up to a point. If, as expected, temperatures continue to warm over the Southern Ocean, eventually the direct effect of the warmer temperatures will overtake the indirect effect on sea ice via snow fall, and Antarctic sea ice will begin to decline.
Conclusion
Though I don’t have time to read nearly all of the posts here and even fewer of the comments, I am often impressed by the interest and passion expressed therein. I’m sure I haven’t answered all questions about sea ice here, but I hope I’ve addressed many things that people have been curious about, particularly issues that have come up over this past summer.
References
Liu, J., and J.A. Curry, 2010. Accelerated warming of the Southern Ocean its impacts on the hydrological cycle and sea ice, Proc. Nat’l Academies of Science, 107(34), 14987-14992, doi:10.1073/pnas.1003336107.
Mahoney, A.R., R.G. Barry, V. Smolyanitsky, and F. Fetterer, 2008. Observed sea ice extent in the Russian Arctic, 1933-2006, J. Geophysical Research, 113(C11005), doi:10.1029/2008JC004830.
Polyak, L., and 17 others, 2010. History of sea ice in the Arctic, Quaternary Science Rev., 29, 1757-1778, doi:10.1016/j.quascirev.2010.02.010.
Sigmond, M., and J. C. Fyfe (2010), Has the ozone hole contributed to increased Antarctic sea ice extent?, Geophys. Res. Lett., 37, L18502, doi:10.1029/2010GL044301.
Turner, J., R.A. Bindschadler, P. Convey, G. Di Prisco, E. Fahrbach, J. Gutt, D.A. Hodgson, P.A. Mayewski, and C.P. Summerhayes, 2010. Antarctic Climate Change and the Environment, Scientific Committee on Scientific Research (SCAR), ISBN 978-0-948277-22-1. http://www.scar.org/publications/occasionals/acce.html



David W says:
October 21, 2010 at 10:10 pm
I see 2 potential threats from icebreakers but the biggest would be in allowing huge chunks to break off that then flow into warmer waters. Chunks that were they still attached to the larger sheet would not have done so.
The other threat would be if you put a passage through an otherwise solid sheet you end up with 2 sheets separated that can bump and grind against each other causing further ice loss.
OK but look at the state of the ice, it’s not that pristine solid sheet. Look at today’s MODIS image, all that MYI north of the Alaskan coast, all that fracturing is caused by wind and current not ice breakers.
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?T102942055
The same area in June before any icebreakers:
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?T101622120
Urederra says:
October 22, 2010 at 5:39 am
[quote]This is a great question in that it encompasses something that I think is often misunderstood. The reason we know the ozone hole is different this time is that we know the chemistry. Scientists did experiments that demonstrated how under conditions in the Antarctic stratosphere, CFCs break down ozone. And studies were done that showed how CFCs emitted by humans work their way up into the stratosphere.[/quote]
That doesn’t explain why Antarctic ozone hole is larger than the Arctic one, when most of the CFC were consumed and produced in the Northern hemisphere.
Actually it does, via the reaction kinetics and the fact that the antarctic stratosphere is colder than the arctic which favors the breakdown of the O3. The CFCs are so longlived that they distribute through the atmosphere regardless of where they are released.
Did any of the NW passage expeditions use the deepwater northern route through Viscount Melville Sound and McClure Strait? If not, why not?
Lyle says:
October 21, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Small item:
You imply that Amundsen took three seasons to complete the NW passage because of ice conditions. In fact he spent two of those seasons at Gjoa Haven on King William Island studying the north magnetic pole which, at that time, was in that immediate vicinity.
And couldn’t have left by sea if he’d wanted to! When he left Gjoa Havn in 1905 (the ice opened permitting their departure in early August) he cleared the Archpelago by August 17th but was trapped in ice near Herschel island (early september) for the third winter before he could make the Bering strait (he wasn’t able to leave until August 1906). That’s why he trekked overland to send the telegram saying that he’d cleared the NW passage, if he’d been able to sail into Nome he would have done so. That route is clear today (oct22), it closed up in early september in 1905.
According to NSIDC website, “In summer, the passages created by icebreakers do increase local summertime melting because the ships cut through the ice and expose new areas of water to warm air. However, the melt caused by an icebreaker is small and localized. Channels created by icebreakers are quite narrow and few in number compared to natural gaps in the ice. In winter, any openings caused by icebreakers will quickly freeze over again. So, scientists do not think that icebreakers play a significant role in accelerating the decline in Arctic sea ice.”
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/faq.html#icebreakers
Here’s a report from Baltic Ice Management (BIM) on their 2008 – 2009 season;
http://portal.fma.fi/sivu/www/baltice/BIM_Joint_Annual_2008_2009.pdf
if you look at the chart on page 10 it seems that they had 23 icebreakers in use at the peak of their icebreaking season.
Here is clearly biased and poorly moderated video from ABC News, which offers some good live shots of the Healy in action:
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7454844
Just some disparate information from the interwebs, but based on my cursory search it does not appear that anyone has done a study to evaluate the impact that increasing icebreaking activity may have on sea ice area and extent.
Welcome Walter Meier,
Bipolar correlation of volcanism with millennial climate change — PNAS
http://www.pnas.org/content/101/17/6341.full#fn-group-1
Check it yourself…
http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/find_eruptions.cfm
This is what’s trying to happen. Like do you believe it couldn’t happen again because of man? Well man’s emissions couldn’t begin to compare. I find you and Thomas Fuller asinine. Sorry
Thank you Dr. Meier for your reply.
Ed Murphy says:
October 22, 2010 at 7:55 am
This is what’s trying to happen. Like do you believe it couldn’t happen again because of man? Well man’s emissions couldn’t begin to compare. I find you and Thomas Fuller asinine. Sorry
I’m sure the feelings mutual, and I for one agree with them.
“””” Phil. says:
October 22, 2010 at 6:08 am
Urederra says:
October 22, 2010 at 5:39 am
………………………………………….. And studies were done that showed how CFCs emitted by humans work their way up into the stratosphere.[/quote]
That doesn’t explain why Antarctic ozone hole is larger than the Arctic one, when most of the CFC were consumed and produced in the Northern hemisphere.
Actually it does, via the reaction kinetics and the fact that the antarctic stratosphere is colder than the arctic which favors the breakdown of the O3. The CFCs are so longlived that they distribute through the atmosphere regardless of where they are released. “”””
Phil, The absence of your insight has been noted.
George.
George E. Smith says:
October 22, 2010 at 9:47 am
Phil, The absence of your insight has been noted.
George.
Sorry George it’s a busy term teaching, you’ll doubtless be pleased you know that I’ve increased my productivity by ~33%. In deference to my chairman’s wishes I have allowed my class size to increase from 60 to 80!
David W said:
Walt Meier’s comments seem to indicate he hasnt even explored the possiblity but rather just glibly dismissed it without thinking about it.
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Someone else has shown this not to be true, thanks just the facts.
As for your other comments, no scientific paper has proposed ice breakers to be a major factor, only you, who is not an expert. If you continue to cling to this wishful thinking then you will soon fall into the crank status as defined by wikipedia most elequantly. Go read it and have a ponder.
Andy
“”””” Phil. says:
October 22, 2010 at 12:08 pm
George E. Smith says:
October 22, 2010 at 9:47 am
Phil, The absence of your insight has been noted.
George.
Sorry George it’s a busy term teaching, you’ll doubtless be pleased you know that I’ve increased my productivity by ~33%. In deference to my chairman’s wishes I have allowed my class size to increase from 60 to 80! “””””
Doing it with one hand tied behind your back ??
I had 200 students in my Freshman Pre-med Optics and Atomic Physics class, so I had to take half of them and then recuperate for an hour, and then work over the other half. Couldn’t ad lib anything, because they would compare notes and go ape If I didn’t tell them all exactly the same thing.
That’s when I decided that Engineering was more up my alley.
George
Thanks so much for taking the time to give such an outstanding and thorough overview. I found your points about the PIPS 2.0/PIOMAS model differences especially interesting and enlightening. I’m sure you, like many of us, look forward to the CryoSat 2.0 data and and then even more so, to ICESat 2.0 in 2015.
AndyW says: October 22, 2010 at 1:05 pm
“As for your other comments, no scientific paper has proposed ice breakers to be a major factor, only you, who is not an expert. If you continue to cling to this wishful thinking then you will soon fall into the crank status as defined by wikipedia most elequantly. Go read it and have a ponder.”
Clinging? David W has made a few comments exploring an interesting hypothesis. This is how the process of scientific exploration works, and one doesn’t have to be an “expert” to participate. In terms of Wikipedia, it states that, “A “cranky” belief is so wildly at variance with commonly accepted belief as to be ludicrous.”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_%28person%29
Nothing that David W has said comes close to being “wildly at variance with commonly accepted belief “, as NSIDC stated, “In summer, the passages created by icebreakers do increase local summertime melting because the ships cut through the ice and expose new areas of water to warm air.” It appears to be a commonly accepted belief that icebreakers help melt summer sea ice, thus the real question is one of magnitude. In such circumstances the reasoned position is to withhold judgment until sufficient research can be conducted in order to serve as the basis for a well informed decision. Perhaps it is you who should ponder why you have passed judgment based upon such a limited amount of available data/research…
“Actually it does, via the reaction kinetics and the fact that the antarctic stratosphere is colder than the arctic which favors the breakdown of the O3.”
That doesn’t make any sense. Reactions go faster in warmer conditions than in colder conditions.
Specially radical reactions, where the limiting step is the transition state that generates the radical species. The energy needed to break down CFCs and form radical species comes from the sun (UV light). Less radiation (in the poles) means less radical formation, and therefore slower kinetics.
Radical species have high potential energy and once they have been formed they can react easily and the products have lower potential energy (exothermic reactions) , So, the limiting step that controls the reaction kinetics is the first, energy costing step, the radical formation, and not the second. And this step goes faster in high radiation conditions than in low radiation conditions.
http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2007/CP/b705934e
(for an example of potential energies of organic radicals. Please note that the species with highest potential energy is the cyclohexane radical)
AndyW says:
October 22, 2010 at 1:05 pm
David W said:
Walt Meier’s comments seem to indicate he hasnt even explored the possiblity but rather just glibly dismissed it without thinking about it.
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Someone else has shown this not to be true, thanks just the facts.
As for your other comments, no scientific paper has proposed ice breakers to be a major factor, only you, who is not an expert. If you continue to cling to this wishful thinking then you will soon fall into the crank status as defined by wikipedia most elequantly. Go read it and have a ponder.
Andy
Nice one Andy, when you cant properly discuss an idea, which you really havent tried at any stage, then resort to an ad hominem attack. The standard operating procedure of an AGW supporter.
Again, does NSIDC have any scientific evidence to back their assertion “… However, the melt caused by an icebreaker is small and localized. Channels created by icebreakers are quite narrow and few in number compared to natural gaps in the ice.”. Lets see some hard facts and data. I’m more than open to this.
It should be relatively easy for you, Walt or anyone at the NSIDC to present that evidence here and I’ll gladly reconsider my position. Otherwise you have more work to do. I suspect, as mentioned previously, Walt and/or the NSIDC have never seriously looked at this because their agenda is to prove AGW is destroying the icepack. They are simply not being paid to find other factors but rather being paid not to.
Phil, I spent a lot of time looking at the Modis images whilst this melt season wore on. Sure there are areas the ice is already broken up at the edges. There were also big areas where solid sheets remained intact. An icebreaker is not needed to break up areas that are already broken up. Do icebreakers operate where there are “natural gaps” in the ice or where the ice sheets are more solid?
Do you have close up before and after MODIS images of where icebreakers have been operating? That would be the simplest way of debunking what I’m proposing.
Seriously guys, if you want to eliminate the possiblity that icebreakers are causing increased ice loss, it shouldnt be hard to do if the idea is such a crackpot one. But simply saying well the NSIDC says so wont cut it I’m afraid.
Some nice Canadian graphs of ice.
http://www.socc.ca/cms/en/socc/seaIce/pastSeaIce.aspx
What a joy to sit under Walt Meiers teaching, if only for an hour! This one is worth a bookmark and a reread later.
I, for one, am intrigued by the hypothesis that icebreakers matter. The Arctic is a big place, especially compared to a ship, but a small difference at the margins can add up over time. While the ice exiting through the Fram strait is only part of the ice loss, a small increase in that loss could be significant over time. If broken up ice is more easily moved by the Beaufort Gyre, then the icebreakers could affect this.
It’s a stretch but I don’t think it can just be dismissed as silly. A quantitative analysis is merited.
On Lindsay’s web site, the PIOMAS July forecast for minimum extent was 3.7 million km^2, not 4.7 as Dr. Meier reported here.
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/lindsay/September_ice_extent.html
David W says:
October 22, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Phil, I spent a lot of time looking at the Modis images whilst this melt season wore on. Sure there are areas the ice is already broken up at the edges.
Good for you, look at the ones I posted and note the extensive regions on them broken up by natural processes. At the posted resolution a pixel represents 2km and even at maximum zoom a pixel is 250m.
There were also big areas where solid sheets remained intact. An icebreaker is not needed to break up areas that are already broken up. Do icebreakers operate where there are “natural gaps” in the ice or where the ice sheets are more solid?
Mostly round harbors and along supply routes such as through the NW passage in August and September where the ice is already fragmented. Ships such as the Healey spend summers on research such as the one this summer where a large part of the time was spent in ‘rotten ice’:
http://mgds.ldeo.columbia.edu/healy/reports/aloftcon/2010/20100628-0401.jpeg
Do you have close up before and after MODIS images of where icebreakers have been operating? That would be the simplest way of debunking what I’m proposing.
Not possible, at maximum resolution the Healey would be smaller than a single pixel!
The PIOMAS July forecast was 25% too low, and my PIPS based forecast was 11% too high.
Which one was closer, Walt?
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/lindsay/September_ice_extent.html
Thank you Dr. Meier for your reply.
More disparate information, i.e. here is a 2004 map of Arctic Summer Shipping Lanes;
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/srp-view.aspx?id=111609
here is list of icebreakers from Wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_icebreakers
and this, the “Arctic Marine Shipping Assessment 2009 Report. Arctic Council, April 2009, second printing” offers a wealth of information;
http://www.pame.is/images/stories/PDF_Files/AMSA_2009_Report_2nd_print.pdf
including this on Page 4;
“There were approximately 6,000 individual vessels, many making multiple voyages, in the Arctic region during the AMSA survey year; half of these were operating on the Great Circle Route in the North Pacific that crosses the Aleutian Islands. Of the 6,000 vessels reported, approximately 1,600 were fishing vessels.”
Arctic maps including shipping lanes with estimates of 2004 Number of Trips and Fishing Vessel Days, Map 1.1 Page 10;
this on Page 5;
“Black carbon emissions from ships operating in the Arctic may have
regional impacts by accelerating ice melt.”
a chart of “Vessels Reported in the Circumpolar North Region, 2004” broken out by Vessel type and Country, in Table 5.1 on Page 71;
this on Page 79;
“A specific example of where cruise ship traffic is increasing at a rapid rate is off the coast of Greenland. As Table 5.3 shows, cruise ship visits and the number of passengers visiting Greenland has increased significantly between 2003 and 2008. For example, between 2006 and 2007, port calls into Greenland increased from 157 to 222 cruise ships. The number of port calls in 2006 combined for a total of 22,051 passengers, a number that represents nearly half of Greenland’s total 2006 population of 56,901.
In 2008, approximately 375 cruise ship port calls were scheduled for Greenland ports and harbors, more than double the number of port calls seen in 2006.”
this on Page 81;
In the AMSA 2004 database, 83 of this type of ship were reported; however, several Arctic states did not include government vessels in their submission so the total for this category is likely larger. In keeping with the scope of the Arctic Council, naval or military vessels were not included in the AMSA database.
this Page 84;
“During 2004-2008, there were 33 icebreaker transits to the North Pole for science and tourism. An increasing number of icebreakers and research vessels are conducting geological and geophysical research throughout the central Arctic Ocean related to establishing the limits of the extended continental shelf under UNCLOS.”
this on Page 84;
“Map 5.6 demonstrates the surge in vessel activity in the summer season, when all of the community re-supply takes place and most bulk commodities are shipped out and supplies brought in for commercial operations. Summer is also the season when all of the passenger and cruise vessels travel to the region.”
this on Page 137;
“The 2004 U.S. Commission on Ocean Policy reported that, while at sea, the average cruise-ship passenger generates about eight gallons of sewage per day and an average cruise ship can generate a total of 532,000 to 798,000 liters of sewage and 3.8 million liters of wastewater from sinks, showers and laundries each week, as well as large amounts of solid waste (garbage). The average cruise ship will also produce more than 95,000 liters of oily bilge water from engines and machinery a week. Sewage, solid waste and oily bilge water release are regulated through MARPOL. There are no restrictions on the release of treated wastewater.”
this on Page 140:
“Shipping’s contribution to regional and global impacts from emissions such as CO2, NOx and SO2 have been evaluated by scientists and shown to be significant enough to motivate policy action. However, environmental and climate effects of NOx and ozone, sulfur aerosols and clouds, and black carbon particles in the Arctic are only beginning to be understood. Black carbon has been proven to have significant climate forcing effects, in addition to its effects on snow and ice albedo, accelerating the retreat of Arctic sea ice.”
this on Pages 141 – 142;
“The AMSA has developed the world’s first activity-based estimate of Arctic marine shipping emissions using empirical data for shipping reported by Arctic Council member states. Emissions were calculated for each vessel-trip for which data was available for the base year 2004. The 515,000 trips analyzed represent about 14.2 million km of distance traveled (or 7.7 million nautical miles) by transport vessels; fishing vessels represent over 15,000 fishing vessel days at sea for 2004. Some results could be an underestimation of current emissions, given potential underreporting bias and anecdotal reports of recent growth in international shipping and trade through the Arctic.”
this on Page 142;
Black carbon is a component of particulate matter produced by marine vessels through the incomplete oxidation of diesel fuel. The release and deposition of BC in the Arctic region is of particular concern because of the effect it has on reducing the albedo (reflectivity) of sea ice and snow. When solar radiation is applied, reduced albedo increases the rate of ice and snow melt significantly, resulting in more open water, and thereby reducing the regional albedo further. In the Arctic region in 2004, approximately 1,180 metric tons of black carbon was released, representing a small proportion of the estimated 71,000 to 160,000 metric tons released around the globe annually. However, the region-specific effects of black carbon indicate that even small amounts could have a potentially disproportionate impact on ice melt and warming in the region. More research is needed to determine the level of impact this could have on ice melt acceleration in the Arctic and the potential benefits from limiting ships’ BC emissions when operating near to or in ice-covered regions. The potential impacts of black carbon should also be a point of consideration when weighing the costs and benefits of using in-situ burning of oil in spill response situations.”
and this on Page 160;
“Spring break-up to mark the start of summer navigation will vary and, as happens now in more southerly seas, shippers eager to start work will test the limits of their vessels in ice.”
fishnski says:
October 19, 2010 at 3:17 pm
….Meanwhile..The arctic has turned Less cold & from what I can tell will stay that way for a few. I was surprised to see the gain we had yesterday & I hope i’m surprised again tomorrow & the next but i’m thinking not. Any thoughts??
I posted this on sea ice news 27 with no response & since then the ice gain has slowed considerably.
We have a whole lot of speculative climotologists & Scientists here who come up with very interesting thoughts & facts but what I miss is a great Meteorologist who can explain what is happining real time & can give forecasts.
I gather as much info as I can on the internet & try to figure out how the northern hemi is coming along & made that last predict but I also thought the Beach at Barrow would have frozen over by now which it hasn’t so I would rather have a pro way in…
Dr. Meier info under heading Paleo Records of Sea Ice:
“….the most recent and comprehensive analysis of all available proxy sea ice records, published earlier this year (Polyak et al., 2010 – note that Polyak is a co-author on the 2006 paper), indicates that current total Arctic-wide sea ice extents are likely lower than any time in the last several thousand years and are “not explainable by known natural variabilities”. The data are still sparse, but this is the best information we have at the moment.”
I find the “several thousand years” hard to swallow: Greenland around 970 AD (Eric the Red with Viking settlements) – the MWP. The ice loss had to be much greater.
Also, I didn’t see any reference to the 30 year PDO, its prior shift around 1979 when first satellite data started, and the new shift which should cool the oceans/planet for 20-30 years.