Scafetta on 60 year climate oscillations

 

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People send me stuff, my email is like a firehose, with several hundred messages a day, and thus this message was delayed until sent to me a second time today.  I’m breaking my own rule on Barycentrism discussions, because this paper has been peer reviewed and published in Elsevier.

George Taylor, former Oregon State climatologist writes:

Nicola Scafetta has published the most decisive indictment of GCM’s I’ve ever read in the Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics.  His analysis is purely phenomenological, but he claims that over half of the warming observed since 1975 can be tied to 20 and 60-year climate oscillations driven by the 12 and 30-year orbital periods of Jupiter and Saturn, through their gravitational influence on the Sun, which in turn modulates cosmic radiation.

If he’s correct, then all GCM’s are massively in error because they fail to show any of the observed oscillations.

There have been many articles over the years which indicated that there were 60-year cycles in the climate, but this is the first one I’ve seen which ties them to planetary orbits.

– George

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The paper is:

Scafetta,N.,

Empirical evidence for a celestial origin of the climate oscillations and its implications .

Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics (2010),doi:10.1016/j.jastp.2010.04.015

I find his figure 11b interesting:

Here’s the link:

www.fel.duke.edu/~scafetta/pdf/scafetta-JSTP2.pdf

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October 13, 2010 7:50 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
October 13, 2010 at 7:33 pm
A rare moment when we agree.
I have also just for fun measured the SOHO Continuum pics over the last decade and while acknowledging the satellite moves around in its own L1 orbit, the solar diameter pixel size follows the expected outcome of a Sun centred orbit.

October 13, 2010 7:54 pm

A couple of years ago, I thought there was a ‘Friday’-effect in SORCE’s TSI. It turned out to be an interpolation issue [so my fault]. As a result of my investigation, the whole process of adjusting to 1 AU was reviewed and fixed, and there are as of now no outstanding issues of problems. It might be of interest to read some of my thoughts on this back then:
http://www.leif.org/research/TSI-SORCE%20Friday%20Effect.pdf
Again, the software has been fixed and all is cool.

Steve Fitzpatrick
October 13, 2010 7:57 pm

” The Monster says:
Professor Scafetta needs to show the physical processes by which Jupiter, the moon, Saturn, etc) change the Earth’s energy balance, then provide supporting data for those processes.
No, he doesn’t. He only has to show the correlation, which he’s done in spades. ”
Over the last two years in my city the rate of crime has fallen by about 6%. Over the same period, the rate of unemployment has risen by about 5%. Do you think this indicates causation? Do you think that people should go looking for a causal relationship between falling crime and rising unemployment based on this correlation?
Final piece of information: the crime rate fell ~5% from 4 years ago to 2 years ago…. even though unemployment was almost constant over that two year period.
Correlation does not prove causation, and in the absence of plausible causal relationship, correlation is hardly worth looking at. There are spurious correlations everywhere you look, and the more you look the more spurious correlations you will find.

Steve Fitzpatrick
October 13, 2010 8:03 pm

” Pamela Gray says:
October 13, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Say, I have a few traits being a redhead and all. Wonder if that is correlated to anything.”
Probably correlates with being of European descent.
BTW, what does “and all” mean in this case?

Amino Acids in Meteorites
October 13, 2010 8:11 pm

alex says:
October 13, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Astrology.
in which house is Venus today?
It’s in that house called “hackneyed cynicism” which comes up every time this topic is mentioned. It’s located on the corner of “Numerology” and “Reactionary”. The alley next to the house says “Bitter End”—there are some folks huddled at that spot.

October 13, 2010 8:11 pm

Geoff Sharp says:
October 13, 2010 at 7:50 pm
the solar diameter pixel size follows the expected outcome of a Sun centred orbit.
In a sense, all this ’empirical’ evidence is superfluous [except for people who don’t know about orbital mechanics] as we have had a perfectly valid theory for [and understanding of] this for more than three hundred years.

TomRude
October 13, 2010 8:16 pm

Sure that Piers Corbyn whose weather predictions are quite good will have something to add.

Amino Acids in Meteorites
October 13, 2010 8:21 pm

charles nelson says:
October 13, 2010 at 3:08 pm
If the moon causes tides on Earth is there any reason doubt that the planets have a similar effect on the Sun?
You haven’t been here long. It’s because, they say, they are too far away. Measurements show not enough of an effect on the sun from their gravity to make climate/weather changes on earth.
But that’s the general critique any time the sun effecting climate/weather on earth comes up—the measurements are too small.
Have you seen “The Cloud Mystery”? You can find it on YouTube. Maybe the most interesting science to come along in decades. It’s not about Jupiter and Saturn. It’s about the sun and cosmic rays. But the same critique is used for it too—the measurements are too small.

Amino Acids in Meteorites
October 13, 2010 8:27 pm

MikeTheDenier says:
October 13, 2010 at 3:52 pm
It seems to me that if the orbit of a planet can cause the wobble of a distant star, thus allowing we earthlings to detect the existance of such planets, then we must accept that planets in our own solar system will cause our own star to wobble. Since our star affects our climate then the wobbles must also have some effect on our climate.
REPLY: A prescient thought, thanks- Anthony

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Touché, Mike T. Denier! You definitely get a gold star for that!

October 13, 2010 8:31 pm

As nice as the graphs line up there really needs to be a “how” answered in this. Cause and effect are always the trickiest things to find. Much of the climate mess today is because people look at superficial correlations and then say this answers everything.
Milankovitch has his victory and one day everyone will agree with that (hopefully before the human race is starving because of crop failures, but surrounded by windfarms). The moon cycle of 9.1 years I could consider, but Jupiter and Saturn are a real stretch.
John Kehr
The Inconvenient Skeptic

Amino Acids in Meteorites
October 13, 2010 8:33 pm

björn says:
October 13, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Help!
It gets very complex if the planets orbits are pushing and pulling the sun, which in turn may (must?) have an effect on sun-cycles, sun-spots etc, and the radiation put out by the sun.
Would someone please sort this out, my head is spinning from trying to envisioning the complex carousel at work.

You think this is bad try doing some string theory math. Lubos Motl can give you a headache in about 90 seconds.

October 13, 2010 8:36 pm

Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
October 13, 2010 at 8:27 pm
It seems to me that if the orbit of a planet can cause the wobble of a distant star, thus allowing we earthlings to detect the existance of such planets, then we must accept that planets in our own solar system will cause our own star to wobble. Since our star affects our climate then the wobbles must also have some effect on our climate.
The ‘wobble’ cannot be felt by anybody [including the Sun], so there are no effects arising from the wobble. Think of a double star with two stars of equal mass orbiting each other. Seen from far away there are enormous wobbles, but the stars actually orbit quietly without any forces flinging them hither and thither. See e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Orbit1.gif

William
October 13, 2010 8:37 pm

What is missing are the mechanisms to explain a set of observations. The position of the planets does have an affect on both the sun and earth, the effects are complicated as the sun changes cyclically which affects the planets.
The observation of changes of nuclear reaction rates (both alpha and beta decay which rules out neutrinos as the mechanism as alpha decay is not affected by neutrinos) where the change in reaction rates correlates (15 years of observations two different observations in both hemispheres to rule out seasonal affects) with sun earth distance. The affect has a lag time (which also rules out neutrinos as they travel with the speed of light) is a significant clue as to what is causing the that affect as well as the affects of the planets on the sun and the sun on the planets.
A changing scalar field will affect both alpha and beta decay.
What it appears is the sun is not neutral. The sunspots appear to help the sun attempt to equalize. From time to time the sunspot mechanism is interrupted and charge builds up. The charge is released in a strong event which affects the geomagnetic field (geomagnetic jerks or geomagnetic excursions.) Both the geomagnetic jerks and geomagnetic excursions affect the climate.
The is a complicate set of reasoning concerning the geomagnetic field mechanisms (paradoxes) that supports this hypothesis.
There is a whole set of other phenomena that supports this hypothesis such as sprites and elves. (Massive electrical discharge from the ionosphere to the top of clouds. Massive electrical discharge from the atmosphere to volcanoes (sometimes but not all times), as well as set of astronomical observations. (There is a significant increase in volcanic activity during solar minimums and deep solar minimums. Following the hypothesis the solar charge is reduced during these periods and then a charge unbalance from the core to the surface of the planet. The energy from the charge release causes an increase in volcanic activity and earthquakes.)
http://www.universetoday.com/28774/new-array-captures-redoubt-volcano-lightning/
http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/BardPapers/responseCourtillotEPSL07.pdf
“The final statement of BD07 regarding the fact that aa correlates “much better” than
magnetic data with solar irradiance and global temperature being wrong, the “clues” the authors discuss are actually irrelevant. The “long term trend” is the OMT and not a linear trend as recalled above. We should recall that the ESK and SIT magnetic series and the aa series do not measure exactly the same magnetic phenomena and are not expected to be related in a linear way. But the point of Le Mouël et al (2005) was to show with very simple indices that the entire ionospheric and magnetospheric current systems, despite their differences, pulsate on the long term at the rhythm of the Sun, as exemplified by the OMT. BD07’s next interrogation regarding open versus total magnetic flux is not founded. For example, it has long been known that a simple terrestrial proxy such as the amplitude of the quiet day solar variation of declination provides a wonderful representation of the eleven year cycle of sunspots (i.e. the Wolf number).”
Correlations Between Nuclear Decay Rates and Earth-Sun Distance
http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.3283
Evidence for Correlations Between Nuclear Decay Rates and Earth-Sun Distance
Unexplained periodic fluctuations in the decay rates of Si-32 and Ra-226 have been reported by groups at Brookhaven National Laboratory (Si-32), and at the Physikalisch-Technische-Bundesandstalt in Germany (Ra-226). We show from an analysis of the raw data in these experiments that the observed fluctuations are strongly correlated in time, not only with each other, but also with the distance between the Earth and the Sun. Some implications of these results are also discussed, including the suggestion that discrepancies in published half-life determinations for these and other nuclides may be attributable in part to differences in solar activity during the course of the various experiments, or to seasonal variations in fundamental constants.
This experiment, which extended over 15 years, overlapped in time with the BNL experiment for approximately 2 years, and exhibited annual fluctuations in the 226Ra data similar to those seen at BNL. Figure 3 exhibits the PTB data as a 5 point rolling average, and it is evident from the figure that the PTB data closely track the annual variation of 1/R2. The Pearson correlation coefficient r for the data in Fig. 3 is r=0.66 for N=1968 data points, corresponding to a formal probability of 2×10−246 that this correlation could arise from two data sets which were uncorrelated. As in the case of the BNL data, there is also a suggestion of a phase shift between 1/R2 and the PTB data (see below), although this phase shift appears to be smaller than for the BNL data.
Yet another possible explanation for the apparent phase shift could be a seasonally-varying velocity-dependent effect similar to that observed by the DAMA/LIBRA collaboration [23].
The fact that the two decay processes are very different (alpha decay for 226Ra and beta decay for 32Si) would seem to preclude a common mechanism for both.

Layne Blanchard
October 13, 2010 8:41 pm

If the momentum of the sun varies, Earth must follow. This seemingly could effect ocean currents, causing a “sloshing effect” from changes in LOD. If so many agree that turbulence in oceans brings warmth to the surface, I don’t know why this wouldn’t be seen as a direct mechanism that may present a signature in surface temperature.
And Sol is a rather large portly elastic body. Just the act of changing momentum would seem to have an effect on currents within such a large body, thereby effecting magnetic fields.
This isn’t astrology.

Andrew30
October 13, 2010 8:54 pm

Steve Fitzpatrick says: October 13, 2010 at 7:57 pm
“Do you think that people should go looking for a causal relationship between falling crime and rising unemployment based on this correlation?”
Depends on what the crimes were and when and where they happened and no longer happen; and what the employment was and where it was.
Car theft from the overnight parking lot for factory workers who are no longer employed, could be.
B&E in once up-scale now abandoned parts of Detroit, could be.
Poor on Less Poor inner-city theft, could be.
So, yes, what is the harm in looking, who might it offend?

pat
October 13, 2010 8:57 pm

O/T but perhaps pertinent, this story from Australia today:
14 Oct: Quadrant: BOM loses rainfall
by Tom Quirk
In the last two years some 900 mm of rainfall have been removed from the rainfall record of the Murray-Darling Basin. This startling discovery was made by comparing the annual Murray-Darling Basin rainfall reported on the Bureau of Meteorology website in August 2008 and the same report found yesterday.
The annual rainfall figures are shown as reported in October 2010 (GRAPH)..
The comparison with the August 2008 report is revealing. The difference is a decrease of 900 mm rainfall in the 2010 report.
The significant decrease occurs after 1948..(GRAPH)
The Bureau is already on record adjusting Australian temperature measurements and they now appear to have turned to rainfall, making the last 60 years drier than previously reported.
One can understand that adjustments might be made to a few of the most recent years as records are brought up to date but a delay of forty or fifty years seems a little long.
This raises the question how certain is the data that is used by policy makers?
http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2010/10/bom-loses-rainfall

Zeke the Sneak
October 13, 2010 9:02 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
October 13, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Zeke the Sneak says:
October 13, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Satellites and spacecraft have detected electrons streaming from the poles of Earth, Jupiter and Saturn towards the Sun. here: http://www.physorg.com/news10765.html
No, not towards the Sun, just up into the magnetospheres of the planets [into the tail part directed away from the Sun, actually].
Dr. S, would you care to provide the information you cite for the direction, number, and strength of the electron rays above the poles of these three planets? These have been said to be Sunward by readers of the Nature article, which I cannot find in an online format.

October 13, 2010 9:03 pm

I post on here about the lunar declinational atmospheric tidal cycles 27.32 day period in phase with the rotation of the magnetic poles of the sun. The correlations of the 18.3 year Saros cycle with positions of all of the inner planets and the moon’s declination, phase, perigee apogee, solar and lunar eclipse repeating patterns, and a resultant repeating pattern of global circulation in the atmosphere.
If you take the last three cycles of a 6558 day period of weather data, progressing back from today’s date 13,550 days and 6558 days fore and aft, taking each equivalent date from each corresponding cycle and average them together, I get a forecast that works better than NWS’s three to five day forecast.
It is almost exactly what Nicola Scafetta is talking about, but he is using longer term averages, where I am using single daily data from three separate cycles 6558 days apart, that agree with each other and this cycle well enough that the maps it produces from past data look almost like the live 24 hour total radar precipitation maps for the 24 hour period 6am today till 6am tomorrow, the same time frame as the raw collected archived data.
Check it out for your self, these maps are now at 33 months of lead time forecasting, put together back in November/December of 2007.
http://www.aerology.com/national.aspx
If you want proof that there is a cyclic pattern in his and my assumptions, it is available for the next 38 months as well till January 14th of 2014.
Take your time look around, it is totally free of commercial content and free access, check out the snowfall expected these next three winters through springs.

October 13, 2010 9:12 pm

Dave Springer says:
October 13, 2010 at 5:28 pm
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So does Horsesh*t.

Anthony Scalzi
October 13, 2010 9:12 pm

BTW, I have the ‘Music of the Sphere’ album, and it’s a quite good bit of classical music.

rbateman
October 13, 2010 9:14 pm

It would seem logical that any wobble of our Star over time (caused by gravitational attraction no matter how slight) is going to accumulate in the orbital path around the galaxy. Beyond that, it seems reasonable that planetary alignments can subtly influence things like ocean currents, again over time. This would be a modifying factor, but not necessarily the main driving factor. A nudge here, a nudge there, vectoring gently.

thefordprefect
October 13, 2010 9:15 pm

By filtering the temperature all the low frequency uplift since the 60s has been lost.
What therefore, has caused the recent warming?
According to the plot the last 10 years shold have been cooling and the next 10 should see a 1C warming.
If I remember correctly the last 10 years have been stable and not reduced by 1C. If Scafetta is correct the world should be 2C hotter by 2025. Is this not a bit worrying?

J. Bob
October 13, 2010 9:22 pm

Maybe that may explain those ~50 year oscillations that show up on my long term temperature plots of central & western Europe.
These anomaly plots starting with the 1659 English data going up to 1800. These included the Cen. England, DeBilt, and others from Upsalla, Berlin. Paris. Rimfrost http://www.rimfrost.no/
is a good source for these early temps. The 1750-2008 data includes those records starting before 1750. The 1800-2008 data are those records starting prior to 1800. All are compared to the Hadcet global data.
http://www.imagenerd.com
http://www.imagenerd.com
http://www.imagenerd.com
Using a Fourier convolution lo-pass filter of 40 years, one can get a picture of some of the secular changes going on. These are in the process of being updated to include 2009 info. Unfortunately these show only western Europe, where the longest records exist.

October 13, 2010 9:26 pm

Zeke the Sneak says:
October 13, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Dr. S, would you care to provide the information you cite for the direction, number, and strength of the electron rays above the poles of these three planets?
It would seem that the one making claims should provide the evidence 🙂
Anyway, from today’s JGR:
“JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 115, A10201, 20 PP., 2010
doi:10.1029/2010JA015347
Solar wind interaction with Jupiter’s magnetosphere
[…](3) enhance escape of Jovian plasma down the magnetotail”
or here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_wind
Now and then you can just take my word for it. 🙂

October 13, 2010 9:27 pm

rbateman says:
October 13, 2010 at 9:14 pm
it seems reasonable that planetary alignments can subtly influence things like ocean currents, again over time.
No, that is not reasonable.