NOTE: Updates have been posted below, including the tally.
I need your help, because they need your help. Please read this whole story and consider if you can help. WUWT readers may recall this story: Death of a Feedlot Operator …in which the anal-retentive government of West Australia has “licensed” a family farm out of operation due to some shonky science and arbitrary application of the “sniff test”. Yes that’s right, cattle farms smell, so do pig farms, as does any farm. But now it’s reason to shut one out due to baseless complaints from the local greens. And, it all started when Matt Thompson started doubting global warming and talking about it publicly.
I’ve never made a plea to the WUWT worldwide readership for help, I’m making one now to donate to these people to stave off eviction. If nothing else, do it to spite the government of Western Australia and the greens (Environmental Defender’s Office WA) that have turned farming into a “crime”. The real crime is that government listens to these hotheads. From Jo Nova’s website:
4 days notice! The Thompsons are served notice of eviction.
Will, Abbey, Janet, Luke, Matt and Kate on their farm. April 2010
From Agmates (and many emails), news comes that The National Bank served notice today that the Thompsons have to be off their property in four days.
This is a family with four young children, who ran a profitable business; they filled in every form and ticked every box. They have broken no laws, and there are no outstanding environmental notices, but yet, they came to Western Australia with their life savings and they are losing everything. (Note: Matt and Janet are from the USA, Hugo, Oklahoma – Anthony)
Don’t bring your investment dollars to Western Australia — not while the Department of the Environment effectively controls the state.
The Thompsons waited a full year to get Works Approval for a 15,000 head feedlot. After they had already committed the capital, the rules kept shifting. They discovered they’d need ongoing licenses as well. After several years of ramping up the capacity on these licenses, things changed. Matt spoke out as a skeptic. About that time, the renewals were delayed, then the numbers were cut in half, and new conditions were added that were impossible to meet. To feed and supply water for thousands of cattle the Thompsons had to sign agreements in advance to pay for hundreds of thousands of dollars of goods they could not use, but had no way of knowing that at the time. When they appealed, it took 18 months to get “vindicated” but by then there was only six months left on the “two year” license. Not enough to set up all the contracts and run a business. The new sub-clauses meant that even licenses for a qualified “10,000″ head had vague untestable conditions: the license you have when you don’t have a license.
I am ashamed of what our government has done.
If the media won’t cover this, shame on them too.
I’ve written before in more detail:
Tyranny: How to destroy a business with environmental red tape
Smell that evidence
There is much discussion on Agmates, and a call for donations (see below):
URGENT HELP – Thompson family in trouble
NAB had not long ago told Matt & Janet that they were not going to move on them before December 31st. But it appears that they have changed their mind.
Those familar with previous discussions on Agmates will know that the Thompson family have no funds available to them to face being thrown out on their ear by the bank. Donations are needed ASAP to help provide a roof over the children’s head. Please consider donating what you are able into the following bank account that has been set up so as any donations can’t be seized with all other assets of Matt & Janet including the few dollars left in their own bank account.
Account Name: L&S BallardDescription: Kate/Aby/Will/LukeBSB: 016 770Account Number: 439863697ANZ: Bintamilling Arcade, Egerton Street, Narrogin, Western AustraliaSWIFT Code: ANZBAU3M
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For International money transfers, or payment by credit cards, Jo Nova has set up a special PayPal donation button (in US dollars). This will go to her bank account, with an ID that means it will be recorded as a donation for Matt and Janet. She will transfer it to their account. I have complete trust here. Please give anything you can, no amount is too small.
I’m confident WUWT readers can turn this around.
LINK TO PAYPAL DONATION HERE
You can also use your credit/debit card if you don’t have a PayPal account.
(note this takes you to an intermediate page, which I have to do since wordpress.com won’t allow me to insert the full code).
Also for those who have other websites, or who frequent other forums, bulletin boards, and blogs, I ask your help in getting the word out.
As Michael D. Smith writes in comments below:
Let’s show the Aussie Government what “We The People” can do…
Thanks for your consideration – Anthony
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UPDATE1:
Dale Stiller writes in comments: Thank you all who have sent donations for the Thompson family. You can also help by emailing your disgust to Main Stream Media in Western Australia. Below are a few email addresses.
W A Newspaper contacts:
The West
http:au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/contact/
(does not give a Perth email, only phone no (08) 94823111 )
Email for Sydney Rep Office (The West) cdsilva@wansydney.com.au
Western Australian statewide rural newspaper
W A Radio – Perth National:
ABC News Radio – http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/about/contact.htm
ABC News Rural – wwwabc.net.au/rural/contact/
ABC Midwest & wheatbelt http://www.abc.net.au/contact/contactabc.htm
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UPDATE2:
Janet Thompson responds to the issues raised by some saying she said in a public meeting: “there will be no odour”. Given Matt’s and Janet’s extensive involvement in animal agriculture, including feedlots and saleyards, in the States prior to coming to Western Australia, I find it hard to believe that she’d say this. Here is an excerpt of her response:
The myth has been propagated that I stated at our original open public meeting in March 2002 that I made the statement that there would be no odour. In considering any proposition in which animals are to be located in one area, it is ludicrous for anyone to state that there would be no odour. (And, I submit, for anyone to blindly believe such a statement.) I know places that have one horse, and there is odour to manage. Whatever statement that was made that night has been taken out of context, and now many people who were not even in attendance that night are repeating this myth. We spoke about manure smelling when it was wet, and for that reason, found it desirable to be located on the south side of town, when prevailing winds are away from town. We were always open about this, and are gravely disappointed in friends who have not come to us to discuss things, but instead worked actively behind our backs to wreak havoc in our lives, and to attempt to destroy our livelihood, the livelihoods of our employees and contractors, and our life savings.
Here’s the document as PDF. FYI, You’ll see today’s date on it since I made the PDF today from a Word DOC sent to me.
Thompson Response to community members LCCC
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UPDATE3: HOW TO WRITE A LETTER Reader Mark from Australia writes and provides sample letter ideas for contacting MP’s in Australia and members of the media:
People should reword as they desire and add questions if they have any specialist knowledge or expertise, especially in the feedlot business. They MUST keep it civil. People should send FOUR SEPARATE letters or emails. One to each Minister. That is important. Each MUST be answered so they must put their return addresses on them. I will be sending mine as letters, today.
Be sure to edit this to cover the points you want to include and your own words. Note that simpler hand written letters are likely to carry more weight. It is important to distinguish between EDO Environmental Defenders Office (which is the Non Governmental Organization) and DEC Department of Environment and Conservation (which is the state department of environment and conservation, which is responsible for licensing and the decisions that have been made). In that vein, most of the questions should be about DEC, not EDO (although the funding ones are great to ask).
Premier The Honourable Colin Barnett MEc MLA
Minister for State Development
24th Floor, Governor Stirling Tower,
197 St Georges Terrace,
PERTH Western Australia 6000
Tel: (08) 9222 9888 Fax: (08) 9322 1213
e-Mail: wa-government@dpc.wa.gov.au
The Honourable Brendon Grylls MLA
Minister for Regional Development & Lands; Minister Assisting the Minister for State Development
9th Floor, Dumas House,
2 Havelock Street,
WEST PERTH Western Australia 6005
Tel: (08) 9213 7000 Fax: (08) 9213 7001
e-Mail: Minister.Grylls@dpc.wa.gov.au
The Honourable Terry Redman MLA
Minister for Agriculture and Food
Address: 11th Floor, Dumas House, 2 Havelock Street, WEST PERTH WA 6005
Telephone: (08) 9213 6700 Fax: (08) 9213 6701
e-Mail: Minister.Redman@dpc.wa.gov.au
The Honourable Donna Faragher MEd(Hons) BA(Hons) GradDipEd JP MLC
Minister for Environment
10th Floor, Dumas House,
2 Havelock Street,
WEST PERTH WA 6005
Tel: (08) 9213 7250 Fax: (08) 9213 7255
e-Mail: Minister.Faragher@dpc.wa.gov.au
MINISTERIAL REQUEST – NARROGIN BEEF PRODUCERS
Background Information
Matt and Janet Thompson moved from the USA to establish a feedlot business about 4 km outside Narrogin, WA. The business started operation in 2003 and employed about 20 locals at peak. This represents a success for WA and a success for Australia in attracting foreign investment.
Following his publicly expressing doubt as to the effect of the cattle industry on ‘global warming’ in June 2008, the West Australian Environmental Defenders Office (EDO) took an interest in complaints by Narrogin greens against the Thompson’s business.
In 2008, the Thompson’s applied to the West Australian Department of Environment and Conservation for an increase in their licence capacity from 10,000 to 15,000 head. Instead, the DEC cut their licence conditions back to 6,000 head, effectively closing the business by removing its economies of scale. The feedlot remains closed. This closure also played a role in the suicide of one of the employees, Mr Lindley Boseley.
The reasoning given by EDO on use of regulation to destroy this business is not available but seems subjective, indeed, specious (Reference page 2 of EDO newsletter at http://www.edowa.org.au/newsletters/200803Newsletter.pdf).
The EDO newsletter is itself disturbing. It displays the hallmarks of both a ‘captured bureaucracy’ and an issue-motivated NGO. It is positively triumphs the ‘Green cause’.
Questions
1.The Environmental Defenders Office is jointly funded by the West Australian State Government and the Federal Government. Why is WA funding this organisation when it seems to be little more than an arm of ‘The Greens’?
2.On what scientific grounds was the Thompson’s licence capacity reduced from 10,000 head to 6,000 head?
3.Was the viability of the Thompson’s business considered by the EDO in making this determination?
4.What are the scientific or other relevant qualifications of those who made this decision within the EDO?
5.Was this decision subject to review by anyone with skills in determining its impact on the viability of the Thompson’s business?
a.If so, who, and what are their business qualifications and experience?
b.If the EDO decision was not subject to review to determine the impact of the decision on the Thompson’s business by a person with appropriate business qualifications and skills, why not?
c.If the EDO decision included no business impact review from a person qualified to determine its impact on their business, were ‘the rules constantly changed’ in respect of the Thompsons applications?
i.If so, why and on what grounds?
ii.If so what were the qualifications of the person(s) making these ‘rule changes’?
d.Was ‘natural justice’ denied to the Thompsons in their application?
e.What appeals processes were available to the Thompsons?
f.Were they made aware of these in time to make effective use of them?
6.Why are the Thompsons being evicted from their property on 21 September 2010 instead of in December?
7.Are the WA Ministers for State Development, Agriculture, and State Development and Lands aware of the ability of the EDO to close any WA agricultural business on apparently subjective and/or ideological grounds?
8.Are the appropriate WA Ministers (State Development, Agriculture, and State Development and Lands) aware that this case is now attracting very adverse international attention to WA, due to the Thompsons being international investors in WA?
9.Are the appropriate WA Ministers (State Development, Agriculture, and State Development and Lands) aware that this case is causing damage to WA’s ‘brand’ as a safe place for international investment in agriculture?
10.Is there a link between Mr Thompson’s ‘offence’ against a Green ideological belief in ‘global warming’ and the EDO’s patently apparent belief in that same ideology?
11.Was Mr Thomson’s business targeted by the EDO on the basis of this ideology?
12.Did the ‘Green ideology’ so apparent in the EDO’s publications play any role in their determination?
a.If so, why is ‘Green ideology’ permitted to destroy a business and 20 jobs?
b.If not, what was the scientific basis for their decision to deny their application for an increase in license numbers from 10,000 head to 15,000 head?
13.Will the WA Government review the funding and operations of the EDO to prevent further damage to WA’s ‘brand’ as an investment destination?
Yours Sincerely
NAME
ADDRESS
DATE
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UPDATE4:
Jo Nova reports that WUWT readers have given generously! Over $27,000 was raised in two days from 670 donations. My humble and sincerest thanks to you all for coming to their aid when asked. Jo Nova reports that the fund will go into the Thompson children’s names.
Of course the alarmist community has been silent, there’s not been one word of support that I’m aware of.
See the latest from Jo Nova of how the DEC defines ditches at farms, and you’ll understand the sort of green tyranny the Thompsons face.
People should reword as they desire and add questions if they have any specialist knowledge or expertise, especially in the feedlot business. They MUST keep it civil.
People should send FOUR SEPARATE letters or emails. One to each Minister. That is important.
Each MUST be answered so they must put their return addresses on them. I will be sending mine as letters, today.
Hope this helps.
If you must refer to me, then please just keep it as ‘Reader Mark from Australia’
Thanks for posting this Anthony, donation sent
Done.
Thanks for the heads up.
Good luck from the Florida Keys.
Made a donation. Hope it helps. I wonder how much they need to keep the wolf from the door? American donors respond well to goals and targets.
I read some of the nonsense written by their neighbors. It is impossible to make an odorless feedlot. These folks should visit West Texas some time. Amarillo, Texas has a population of over 160,00 and is downwind of the Randall County Feedlot, the Wildorado Feedlot and (indirectly) the Hereford Feedlot. It doesn’t take long before you don’t even notice it. These “neighbors” would choke to death if they drove through Hereford, Texas!
The food NAZI are hard at work here in New Zealand ..
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/4143070/Biddys-cheeses-caught-in-TV-trap..
Food safety BS… they allow all manner of Chinese toxins AND US GMO crops into NZ without the bat of an eye YET are going out of their way to make LIFE for home grown, AND safe operations a misery… Our own backyard gardens are next!.
donation sent. These government bas***ds must be defeated and driven out of civilized society. Good luck Thompson family, we’re pulling for you.
I donated 25.
I e-mailed the Liberal party of WA.Perhaps if they get a lot of mail they will at least look at the issue.
http://www.wa.liberal.org.au/index.php?option=com_qcontacts&view=contact&id=1&Itemid=185
When I see the actions that well funded and staffed organizations like Greenpeace or WWF can do, I begin to wonder what else we can do besides spread the word and teach the science.
I bet a lot of us will see this both as a chance to help the Thompsons, send a wakeup call to a heavy-handed government, and demonstrate a disorganized gaggle like us can make a direct impact. Joanne has $6,000 as of four hours ago. She’s going to be astounded when she gets up this morning.
I haven’t spent much time at her site ever since Climategate broke, but I’ve exchanged notes with her in the past. She will handle this effort well, at least what she expected to come from it. I’m confident she’s the right person to handle what it may turn into.
I posted on her site:
The US Libertarian Party pioneered the use of “money bombs” – part fund raising and part demonstration of how many supporters there are. Some of them have brought in a remarkable amount of money for various political campaigns.
You may want to start thinking about how to use the extra money that may show up. As for mine (through WUWT), you have my permission to use it any way you think appropriate. My recommendation is public education about the excesses of your government, followed by starting something like the opposite of Greenpeace, paying some of your costs in this effort or the rest of your work, or lots and lots of chocolate. Oh wait – I can only speak for my money. A pound or so of good chocolate is all you get.
Ordinarily all she asks for is chocolate….
Anthony – this rather sceptical old lawyer has a problem. If I send a payment from the UK you say it will go to Jo Nova’s account “recorded as a donation for Matt and Janet”. Unfortunately this means that it is exposed to creditor claims, perhaps from the mortgage lender or from the general farm creditors, where Jo says debts are accruing “by the minute”.
I would be very happy to make a (modest) donation purely for the children’s benefit (which would need separate trustees for the children) to try to help keep a roof over their heads. I am afraid I am not sure about a donation to Matt and Janet. This may only benefit creditors as above. I sense there may be another side to this story – see the “neighbour presentations” link from Virveli and Peter Hearnden above. I also think it was rather risky for apparent newcomers to the territory to sink all their savings into a capital-intensive farming business which needed biennial re-licensing in order to operate at all. Sorry, but that’s my “take” on all I have read to date.
Done. Good luck from Texas.
First, let me say that they have no authority to do that unless you give them the authority. But they are very sneaky in getting your consent as a Man. If you admit to be the “person” of the birth certificate, they beat you. If you do not claim equitable interest in your land, you loose.
I suggest you research the legal creature called a “claim of right”. Laws of all Commonwhealth countries are similar.
Art 39 to 41 of the Criminal Code of Canada state that WITH a claim of right, you can use whatever force necessary to protect your property, EVEN IF the persons coming to take it have the LEGAL RIGHT to take it, i.e. your Anglo-Saxon Common Law right of property supercede THEIR (needing of your consent) legislations, acts and statutes.
What you have to do is find the counterpart article in your local law code, and understand and issue a claim of right. And the provisions ARE into the Aussie law too.
(I will quote below the precise articles.)
The guy to contact is Robert Menard, in Canada, ASAP. He’s a wizz at law, more precisely, Anglo-Saxon Common Law and it’s opposition to civil law. The former recognises you have rights, the second grants you privileges. The second operates only on “persons”, e.g. legal fictions. No courts or lawyer will ever bring you out of the realm of civil “law” (not truly laws but more legislation, acts and statutes, e.g. contracts that have to be voluntarily adhered to).
You’ll find Robert Menard’s videos on Youtube. I don’t know how to get a hold of him in a hurry. Try ThinkFree.ca , try to send a message as if you ordered his package, try everything, and he’ll probably help you.
Then, there is Eldon Warman in Alberta, Canada, who’s also dissected and understood the law very well. He too can help you craft documents. http:www.DetaxCanada.org
In four days, you have enough time to get to watch Robert Menard’s video several times.
Watch The Magnificent Deception, and Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception, and then With Lawful Excuses, and a few others. It will give you a lot of ammunition to stop them.
Finally, research in a hurry the Principalty of Hutt River, one farmer that would have been screwed like you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River
They have ambassies, so you might be able to get a hold of them quite easily. Despite the fact that most articles about them say “yeah, yeah, we don’t recognise them”, you cannot miss the fact that gov’t had to spit out a huge chunk.
Criminal Code of Canada
Defence with claim of right
39. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of personal property under a claim of right, and every one acting under his authority, is protected from criminal responsibility for defending that possession, even against a person entitled by law to possession of it, if he uses no more force than is necessary.
Defence without claim of right
(2) Every one who is in peaceable possession of personal property, but does not claim it as of right or does not act under the authority of a person who claims it as of right, is not justified or protected from criminal responsibility for defending his possession against a person who is entitled by law to possession of it.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 39.
Defence of dwelling
40. Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using as much force as is necessary to prevent any person from forcibly breaking into or forcibly entering the dwelling-house without lawful authority.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 40.
Defence of house or real property
41. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using force to prevent any person from trespassing on the dwelling-house or real property, or to remove a trespasser therefrom, if he uses no more force than is necessary.
Assault by trespasser
(2) A trespasser who resists an attempt by a person who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, or a person lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority to prevent his entry or to remove him, shall be deemed to commit an assault without justification or provocation.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 41.
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Note here the distinction between legal possession and lawful possession. the first is related to the Roman law jurisdiction (civil law) where persons only have privileges, the second is Anglo-Saxon Common Law right which applies to all and every Man (woman included).
Rob Menard and Eldon Warman (and a few others) have been successful in repelling a lot of legal, but unlawful gov’t actions. They are publicly attacked pretty much from everywhere, but they held their end and in the end, the Law (Anglo-Saxon) prevailed.
They have a lot of detractors with a vested interest in the present legal deception.
Best of luck.
I read the link posted by Virveli
http://narroginlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/neighbour-presentations.pdf
It appears that the case isn’t as one-sided as it has been portrayed, and that there was a major odour problem. The document appears to be genuine, as it contains identification of the WA College of Agriculture Narrogin who would surely complain loudly if misrepresented (their home page is http://www.narroginag.wa.edu.au/ [link not working ~ac]). Their letter certainly does complain about the odours, but it also says “On an individual basis, I have no problems with the Thompsons, their management, or the operations of the beef feedlot. I applaud their community interaction and engagement and I honestly want the Thompsons and Narrogin Beef Feedlot to remain in the Narrogin district.“.
Maybe the Thompsons had the right business in the wrong place. It certainly appears that the whole dispute has been extraordinarily badly managed, and maybe it was hijacked and corrupted by ideological interests (I’ve no time to research this but such comments have been made). Hopefully the money we have sent in will allow the Thompsons to rebuild their business in the right place, with the support of the college and others, and to the benefit of everyone in the district.
Whether the legal/bureaucratic system can be fixed, and the (possible) ideologues sorted out, is another matter …..
Money is tight but I put some in the kitty to help out.
Virveli says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:21 am
“Perhaps someone would like to see what the actual neighbours wrote about the facility in their own words?
http://narroginlibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/neighbour-presentations.pdf”
Virveli, you are pointing to what is commonly called anecdotal evidence. In other words, it is evidence that may stand up to scientific and objective scrutiny but far more often does not.
It is too bad that the Thompsons were suckered into locating their feedlot as close to town as they did, but at least they made an attempt in assessing the perceived problem in an objective manner. Did you look at both sides of the argument? If not, check some of the links in the main post, for instance
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/07/smell-that-evidence/
Even the most biased judge makes at the very least a pretense that he tries to determine where in between the two sides of an argument the truth lies.
The Thompsons played by the rules. They got a license, and someone kept changing the rules on them. That is not fair. If someone moves into farming country and is bothered by the smell of manure, maybe he should have moved into town somewhere instead.
Aside from all of that and the fact that the issue needs to be resolved in court, right now the Thompson family needs to be able to survive, so they can avoid being thrown out onto the garbage pile. One man already died on account of the situation. How many more lives will it take before some people switch from seeing the Thompsons as villains to seeing them as the victims of a vendetta by a bureauracy?
Please, consider,
Can all of those who complain about the smell of manure tell the difference between hog- and cattle manure? The smell of hog-manure is many times worse!
Anyway, the Thompsons need help right now, and I sent $50.–.
In addition, I posted Anthony’s introduction to the Thompson story to my two blogs and hope that will help bring in more contributions.
Done.
Thompson says he is “in the hands of a government department that has grown unchecked for the last 30 years”. I feel his situation is representative of the overgrowth in government in Australia generally, such that we now have one government [snip] for every 2 real workers.
What fun! As soon as Management (my better half) returns home, its done – she does not know of this travesty as yet.
Done.
Good luck for the Thompsons.
Anthony, thanks for posting.
Stop green dictatorships, as well as others.
Donation sent and the Thompsons really need a lawyer with balls. My comment from Jo’s site, and my avatar is apt-
“This is an utter disgrace and just demonstrates what happens when the lunatics take over the asylum. Where do they think their food comes from? This really needs a lawyer to challenge the eviction notice, then the licence conditions to stop this happening to anyone else. First they come for the livestock farmers, then they’ll come for arable if pollen gets added to ‘unreasonable emissions’. I hope this works out well for the Thompsons and think a suitable form of punishment for the people that did this to them might be to fence them into a patch of land, stick up some webcams and watch them try to be self sufficient and sustainable.”
I have sent a donation. Hopefully some one in WA can organise the donation of several truckloads of feed lot waste to the doors of NAB and the responsible government office. The implication that this behaviour on the part of the Environmental Defender’s Office WA is a result of the Thompsons publicly expressing doubt over global warming is sadly believable. The fact that there are other large feed lot operations in the area proves the lie to the government actions (and on some matters intentional delay). There is a possibility that the civil servants complicit in this act of green vengeance have been too arrogant to have covered their tracks with regard to responding to the demands of the environmental groups. Emails and paperwork could exist. FOI may be warranted. Even if this proved unsuccessful, dealing with the investigation would be a wake up call to other cowardly bureaucrats. Also gathering evidence of the environmentalists involved admitting to their successful collusion with or influence of the Environmental Defender’s Office may be possible.
[OT – and the links to google.com are regional ~ac]
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Done, and good luck to them. I’m suspicious of the odour arguments if there is a nearby pig farm – pig manure is many times more pungent and unpleasant than cattle manure, and would easily overpower it. Also if they live in a farming community there must be many cattle farms within the 5K radius of the complainants- why were the Thompsons singled out? Smells like vendetta.
Reading all of the above comments has brought a lump to my throat.
At the moment, though I’m ashamed to be an Aussie, I am so so proud to be a member of the WUWT and JoNova community.
Thankyou to each and every one of you. There is hope for humanity afterall.
Done.
Peeps are to kind. I think they’re too kind because they don’t fully get the hardship this hardworking family’s going through. Truly, who can? Anyone been in the same situation recently?
Alas but when your government is trying to [snip] for no good god damn reason, [snip] government back up [snip] for no good [snip] reason.
Use every law to your own advantage.
Would like to see some indication of how much they need versus how much has been raised. Any chance you can post a graphic – you don’t need to show the actuall amounts just the relative progress.
Anyway, good luck to my fellow Okies… (born and raised there)