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Pascvaks
September 4, 2010 2:59 pm

Finally! The answer to one of the most perplexing questions in science today: What to call field of endeavour or people who delve into the dark side of science and prognosticate on climate in the modern age? We finally have an answer!!
Over at –
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/09/03/drifting-back-to-the-center/
John Whitman says:
September 4, 2010 at 9:53 am
“etamilcology? [ climate spelled backwards ] : )”
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Just think about it a moment.
It’s brilliant! It fits.
It’s ‘perfectamundo’!!!!!
It’s sooooo them!!
Spread the word!!!!
Use it whenever!!
Like – ‘Gore’s an Honorary Eetamilcologist!!!’ –see what I mean;-)

Pascvaks
September 4, 2010 3:04 pm

Sorry!
Like – ‘Gore’s an Honorary Etamilcologist!!!’ –see what I mean;-)

rbateman
September 4, 2010 3:26 pm

Smokey says:
September 4, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Don’t think of Nov 4th as election day, think of it as the great Pink Slip day.
You know what they say about ‘paybacks’.

Gail Combs
September 4, 2010 3:36 pm

Smokey says:
September 4, 2010 at 2:30 pm
….I recall when a 20th century candidate for President was attacked mercilessly by the big newspapers in the U.S. for his strong pro-U.S.A. platform:
“I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is “needed” before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents’ “interests,” I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can.”
With every pig in the public trough vilifying his stand, including the media, the military-industrial complex, education, Rockefeller Republicans, and numerous other special interests, LBJ won the election — and the country endured another decade in the Viet Nam war.
Moral: don’t vote the way you’re told; vote in your own best interest. And remember that character matters.
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I thought the moral was never believe a politician words believe his actions.. The word sleazy comes to mind when ever I think of LBJ
Here is one of LBJ’s earlier actions:
“…The history of this IRS gag order is instructive. It began with the fraudulent election of Johnson to the Senate in 1948. It has been well established by both conservative and liberal historians that Lyndon Johnson’s election to the Senate in 1948 was won by massive voter fraud. Known as “Landslide Lyndon,” this mean-spirited political operative was “elected” by only 87 votes. His challenger, Coke Stevenson challenged his election and presented credible evidence that hundreds of votes for Johnson had been faked. Johnson, however, was successful in blocking Stevenson’s effort by the clever use of court injunctions.
In 1954, Johnson was facing re-election to the Senate and was being aggressively opposed by two non-profit anti-Communist groups that were attacking Johnson’s liberal agenda. In retaliation, Johnson inserted language into the IRS code that prohibited non-profits, including churches, from endorsing or opposing candidates for political office. In effect, this thoroughly corrupt man used the power of the IRS to silence his opposition. Unfortunately, it worked….”

The gag order on churches effectively wiped out the US citizen’s homegrown “NGOs” in every town and allowed foreign run activists groups and lobbyists to occupy the political vacuum.
The ‘Innocents’ Clubs’: http://www.heretical.com/miscella/munzen.html
In an April 1994 issue of the Wall Street Journal, a tiny back page article stated papers found in the Kremlin show activist groups in the USA were not only funded by but lead by the KGB.
“Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues,” notes Peter Spiro. “Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots.” The CGG has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations.” http://www.afn.org/~govern/strong.html

September 4, 2010 4:23 pm

Gail Combs,
That quote I posted @2:30 pm was by Sen. Barry Goldwater.

DeNihilist
September 4, 2010 6:49 pm

{simpleseekeraftertruth says:
September 4, 2010 at 10:34 am
Johnythelowery asks:
September 3rd at 8:07 pm
“Stephen Hawking announced that there is now no mystery to the event we call the Big Bang. He can explain everything…}
even simpler version, as the Buddha put it, “only no-thing lasts forever.”

Jeremy F
September 4, 2010 9:14 pm
simpleseekeraftertruth
September 5, 2010 12:43 am

DeNihilist says:
September 4, 2010 at 6:49 pm
simpleseekeraftertruth says:
September 4, 2010 at 10:34 am
Johnythelowery asks:
September 3rd at 8:07 pm
‘even simpler version, as the Buddha put it, “only no-thing lasts forever.”’
Was he peer reviewed?

simpleseekeraftertruth
September 5, 2010 12:58 am

Mafia cash in on lucrative EU wind farm handouts.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/renewableenergy/7981737/Mafia-cash-in-on-lucrative-EU-wind-farm-handouts-especially-in-Sicily.html
“Renewable energy seems like a good thing, run by saintly people saving the world,” said Jason Wright, a senior director with Kroll, which performs background checks on renewable energy schemes on behalf of legitimate investors, and which has documented a sharp rise in the number of wind farms with suspect ownership.”

September 5, 2010 1:26 am

Gail Combs wrote:
Yup, Yup, I really feel warm and fuzzy about these upstanding honorable gentleman handling all that money. Especially Strong who started the whole CAGW, NGO, mainstream Environmental Activism back in 1972 at the UN’s First Earth Summit.
Edmund DeRothschild was also cited as working alongside Maurice Strong in 1972.
Hmmm…
Then Richard Milhous Nixon immediately trashed our trade status agreements with China and a few others. Trade agreements that had protected our businesses and jobs well for about 200 years. While Kissinger was teaching the Saudi how to charge more for oil. Gerald Ford didn’t change a thing.
Jimmy Carter is partly the reason the conservatives were replaced by the liberal left in the democrat party.
Then Ronald Reagan went about busting unions, as did Bush Sr. Their quail hunting buddy, Sam Walton was very effective at putting down any and all union organization in his company.
Then along came that slippery little former Democrat that became a Republican United States Senator from Texas, Phil Gramm. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act got rid of the Glass-Steagel Act that had been put in place after the great depression to separate the banks from risky investment markets. Not only that, but when everyone was distracted by the Bush-Gore election deal with the hanging chads on ballots in Florida he slipped in legislation that made the whole credit default swaps and derivatives bomb.
What is the control goal? Global governance and wilderness lands as collateral? You’re one person who is not uninformed and in denial.

September 5, 2010 1:31 am

rbateman says:
September 4, 2010 at 12:51 pm
21 sunspots drawn today. I can project 7 of them.
How many can you project?

Hi Robert, can you inform us of your telescope specs so as to compare with official counters?
Wolf used an 80mm refractor with 1100mm focal length, most likely a kellner eyepiece and a magnification of 64x.
Locarno and Catania (SIDC) use a 150mm refractor, 2300mm focal length and unknown eyepiece.

TinyCO2
September 5, 2010 3:46 am

Why am I not surprised by this story about Sir Muir Russell and his fee for the enquiry?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/holyrood-fiasco-peer-s-40k-for-chairing-climategate-review-1.1052947?localLinksEnabled=false
Holyrood fiasco peer’s £40k for chairing Climategate review
A former civil servant criticised for his role in the Holyrood Parliament building fiasco has pocketed £40,000 for chairing an inquiry into the recent climate change row.
Sir Muir Russell walked away with nearly £6000 a month for leading a probe which cleared scientists at the University of East Anglia of data manipulation.
[snip]
Hacked e-mails written by university staff led to fears that information on climate change was being manipulated, a row that was played out internationally.
The six-month probe concluded with Russell and his team noting the “rigour and honesty” of the scientists.
A freedom of information request has revealed that the university paid Russell a £40,000 fee for his chairmanship.
He also benefited from £2908 in travel and £976 for accommodation.
The Review website notes that the team met on 15 occasions, which works out as the equivalent of Russell receiving £2666 per meeting.
John Wilson, an SNP MSP in Central Scotland, said: “It is difficult to accept that Muir Russell should have received £40,000 for an inquiry conducted by East Anglia university.
“On top of pension payments and an early-retirement package, he is now making more money ultimately at the expense of the public purse.”
cont.

rbateman
September 5, 2010 9:52 pm

Geoff Sharp says:
September 5, 2010 at 1:31 am
Orion 70mm Achromat F/10 (700mm FL), Meade Super Plossl 26mm.
All surface fully coated, optics far superior to anything Wolf would have used, and that goes double for eyepieces.
Modern Apochromats did not exist back then. Anyone who has or had used a 1960’s style refractor knows how far optics have come in the last 50 years.
If I cannot project ghostly spots, Wolf certainly could not.

rbateman
September 5, 2010 9:59 pm

Geoff Sharp says:
September 5, 2010 at 1:31 am
Locarno and Catania (SIDC) use a 150mm refractor, 2300mm focal length and unknown eyepiece.

It gets worse than that: I believe some are using adaptive optics to cancel out seeing conditions.
One might as well start up a survey of who is using what, in the same manner of reporting issues that surfacestation.org has done.

September 6, 2010 2:43 am

rbateman says:
September 5, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Geoff Sharp says:
September 5, 2010 at 1:31 am
Locarno and Catania (SIDC) use a 150mm refractor, 2300mm focal length and unknown eyepiece.
It gets worse than that: I believe some are using adaptive optics to cancel out seeing conditions.
One might as well start up a survey of who is using what, in the same manner of reporting issues that surfacestation.org has done.

This is a big story I think, some are trying to cover up how good the new optics are. Check out this pic of Catania’s telescope, they do not mention the quality of the optics.
http://web.ct.astro.it/sun/instrument.htm
I received my new gear today, a kellner lens and camera gear plus solar filter. Its designed to be like Wolf’s 40x pocket telescope which was fundamental in his method. I just barely made out 1015 which is not small.

September 6, 2010 3:36 am

FYI
arXiv.org > astro-ph > arXiv:1008.4960
Growth and replication of red rain cells at 121°C and their red fluorescence
Rajkumar Gangappa, Chandra Wickramasinghe, Milton Wainwright, A. Santhosh Kumar & Godfrey Louis
I wonder why don’t they start mass production of the stuff. If it is self replicating indeed, it should be cheap like dirt. Also, any advance in the biochemistry of these bugs is dependent on their large scale availability.

September 6, 2010 4:12 am

I meant to say sunspot 1105.
I think it is pretty obvious why the sunspot record has increased by at least 20 % since Wolf’s day.

September 6, 2010 6:29 am

O/T? Not on an open thread. Here’s the great British/Canadian writer Mark Steyn on Labor Day.

johnnythelowery
September 6, 2010 8:48 pm

simpleseekeraftertruth says:
September 4, 2010 at 10:34 am
Thanks for your effort. Not sure Stevee H can make that call. It’s funny you should mention zero. Because M-Theory….Well, this is what the New Yorker 8/2006 Jim Holt article said…
………………..”…The closest thing to an enduring mark of beauty is simplicity; Pythagoras and Euclid prized it, and contemporary physicists continue to pay lip service to it. All else being equal, the fewer the equations, the greater the elegance. And how does string theory do by this criterion? Pretty darn well, one of its partisans has facetiously observed, since the number of defining equations it has so far produced remains precisely zero.”
Well. That was 10/2006 and maybe needs to be updated. Anyone know if String has actually been useful in anyway? Remember: neither Time nor Space exist as actual entities…..and neither does anything in the singularity before the big bang. Wrong….Infinity existed…the infinity of energy, but something broke it’s infinity symmetry of nothing. Nothing is infinite BTW. Wasn’t the universe indicated to be eternally expanding recently??? Seems to me, that nullifies the Oscillating Universe theory that Hawking is surely appealing to here, because if it never ends, it never oscillates. Garrett Lisi’s E8 is so much prettier and M Theory is like Frankenstein on skis. Think i’m going to do what Watson-Crick did when cracking the double-helix, i’m going to guess that nature prefers the prettier theory.
Any other thoughts???? anyone??????

johnnythelowery
September 6, 2010 9:09 pm

…..Regarding Time & Space in the Singularity….if time and space don’t exist as entities in and off themselves, then, We WUWT can pack an infinite amount of it in any kind of sized dot you want.
And where does all the information come from to accompany all the matter being created at the Big Bang. Information can now be created but not destroyed apparently. Has anyone observed the so called ‘Information’ membrane at the entrance to black holes said to be in the temperature range of……………few billion degees i think it is?

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