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“Gary Hladik says:
September 3, 2010 at 2:29 pm”
There was a UK program shown recently in Australia where an entire house is powered by, I think, 250 stationary cyclists generating the entire power requirements. So with base load, like clocks, small lights, fridges etc, I think 50 cycists could generate enough power to operate them. But when things like heaters, kettles, TVs etc came online the number of cycilsts increased. The family who used this for the day were unaware the house was being powered this way. It was an interesting show, but 5 minutes from the end the AGW messages was spat out!
Has anyone noticed that the price of food is skyrocketing?
From spaceweather.com
Solar wind
speed: 383.5 km/sec
density: 0.0 protons/cm3
explanation | more data
First time I’ve ever seen that proton density????
Updated: Today at 0955 UT
johnnythelowery says:
September 3, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Stephen Hawking announced that there is now no mystery to the event we call the Big Bang. He can explain everything. It’s all to do with M-Theory and gravity. As his brain can go to within a billionth of a second of a big bang. Anyone have a clue what M-Theory is? Thanx.
One of the multitude of String theory derivations, involving 10 or 11 dimensions (in dispute ), and very complex math. There is not even agreement on what the “M” stands for – “Membrane”, “Magic”, etc. Google it, if you care to.
a jones says:
September 3, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Visitors to this board tend to be well informed and there is much discussion about future energy sources: and indeed how technology will develop them.
But it seems to me that in particular our green friends do not understand how and why technology developed to meet our needs and why: and therefore what its limitations are…..
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Science and now basic math and logic are just not taught, at least in the USA. (25% of American students now need remedial course work in college)
Without the basic ability to do “back of the envelope” calculations to determine if an answer was in the ball park, a skill routinely taught when I was in school, we now have a great reliance on computers to do our “thinking.” Unfortunately we then get GIGO as a friend found out when he had a PE design a bridge and screwed up royally.
Without these basics, math science and logic, today’s technology has all the characteristics of “MAGIC” to the average greenie. Is it any wonder you get a guy in marketing saying to my friend, an engineer. “If you could just make a solar panel that is four feet by four feet for under $2000 and could power a whole house, I could sell thousands of them” The marketing guy when told why this was not possible, just kept on arguing firmly convinced that the engineers were just not trying hard enough.
If someone in the actual business can not understand solar panels are not “MAgIC” how the heck is the average green activist or politician going to react when told the truth? The immediate response is industry is lying. Industry is hiding the patents. Industry is evil.
I saw that type of rebuttal for real while working in the polystyrene industry during the “polystyrene is evil campaign” The campaign was a direct attack on my company’s innovate new plant for recycling post consumer polystyrene from McDonalds. The plant was specially designed to use handicapped labor too.
Seems the popular lies are now in book form: A Vogt for the Environment: The True Story of How One Teenager, Tanja Vogt, Convinced McDonald’s to Show Concern for the Environment
Anyone who wants to know the truth of the matter can head for Lemominster MA where the land for the new plant had been purchased and check with city hall and the locals about the plant that almost changed recycling history.
I was out and about this morning on the two-lane narrow roads that serve my locale and saw three bicyclists holding up a long line of traffic. Their ‘green’ is not offsetting anything and seems to make things worse. The put the curve of an ironic smile to my mouth.
That said, I actually don’t care a whit about the ‘green’ aspects of bicycling. It is a beautiful day for a bike ride in the country and I hope the riders don’t get hit by a car. We’ve had several bicyclists hit over the past few years due to 55mph speed limits on narrow two-lane roads, highly traveled by, undoubtedly, a fair percentage of drivers impaired by alcohol, cell-phone use, or texting. I say, “GO BIKES!”, but I recommend they think about it and go somewhere else a little safer.
Ref – Joe Lalonde says:
September 4, 2010 at 3:07 am
“Has anyone noticed that the price of food is skyrocketing?”
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Joe
(Just being punny)
It’s not so much that the price of food is skyrocketing, it’s that the value of money is plumiting like an upsidedown skyrocket. Climatologists are concerned that if and when the thing hits the ground it will wipe out all gains made todate in eradicating gains they’ve made in educating the retarded public on how to make something out of nothing.
We all need to be looking for a nice Fourth World Cave near a river abundant in fish and good hunting grounds nearby that no one but our family and close friends know about. Hummm… bet something like that will cost a bundle. But the longer we wait the more expensive it will get. Left?:-)
What do you think the chances are of a Hav’erd Biz School Grad making it in a World without money?
(Punny off)
Joe Lalonde says:
September 4, 2010 at 3:07 am
“Has anyone noticed that the price of food is skyrocketing?”
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Of course it is to be expected and was done intentionally. It is the result of oil prices, biofuel and new world wide farming regulations that started with the World Trade Organizations Agreement on Agriculture in 1995. It is a complex and lengthy subject. I have over a dozen pages of references.
Here are a few off the top of my head.
Undermining Abundance: The Big Business of Creating Scarcity
What is happening now in the USA:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Hannes/doreen100.htm
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/contributors/nicole-johnson/
In the EU:
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/savePolishCountryside.php
Elsewhere:
The Suicide Economy Of Corporate Globalisation
http://www.countercurrents.org/glo-shiva050404.htm
History:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/History-HACCP-and-the-Foo-by-Nicole-Johnson-090906-229.html
Hope that helps.
Moderators,
Please ask Tom Vonk go to the next step and address the non-LTE boundary conditions at either the top of the troposphere or at the atmosphere to surface (land and ocean) interface.
John
Water Management based on Scarey Models tag
Andrew Bolt on Victoria’s (late August):
YET more showers on Thursday, and the dams filling nicely. Who’d have thought? Certainly not the Bureau of Meteorology, which on May 24 warned of dry.
Its prediction: “The chances of Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and southwest NSW and Western Australia getting more than average rainfall are less than 40 per cent from June to August.”
Contrast that with this Herald Sun report on Thursday: “(senior BoM forecaster Terry) Ryan said a soggy June had been followed by a rain-drenched August …
“With long-range forecasts predicting a damp spring, Victoria is on target to record its wettest year since 1996.”
We are? Well, that’s a surprise. Because let me remind you of another outfit that assured us the rain was probably gone forever, thanks to wicked global warming.
Here is Melbourne Water from last year, explaining why we couldn’t have a cheap dam on, say the fast-flowing Mitchell River, and had to build a $3.5 billion desalination plant instead, at more than twice the price, but for one-third of the water.
“Why aren’t we building another dam? Our reservoirs need steady rain over days and weeks, to wet the ground and then generate runoff.
“Unfortunately, we cannot rely on this kind of rainfall like we used to.”
…And as the rain falls down, note how your water bills have gone up.
Well, that desal plant had to be paid for somehow, right? Even if it will soon be making expensive water that’s now falling free from the sky.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/warming-to-the-idea-of-rainfall/story-e6frfhqf-1225910639205
And today:
Torrential fooding in Victoria
High seas rescue on main street in Creswick
I’ve been thinking a little about these large global temperature datasets (i.e. HadCRUT, GISS, etc). My thoughts are with regard to the way they record and average the temperatures for a given period. Let me start with an analogy. I knew a guy who had a van for his business. One day he decided to have it all painted up with his logo, contact info, etc. Now he has people mentioning that they see his vans (plural) all over the place. The reality is, there is only one van.
I’ve read that the way anomalies are produced is by taking daily highs and daily lows and averaging them together to produce a daily record that is subsequently averaged into a monthly average, and so on. This method seems to preclude an adjustment for time. I have yet to hear anyone mention any kind of calibration or alignment of this type. While always taking the high and low is definitive in its approach, it almost seems arbitrary, or dare I say it, biased when put in the context of time.
I have this image of a huge wave of heat (the sun?) moving around the planet at just the right time to be recorded as the daily high (like the van being seen) while the rest of the planet is cold and dark. I’ve posted before on the question of a ‘4-corner’ temperature average (midnight, noon and the sixes) to capture a better reading of a ‘daily heat content’ metric. My latest thought goes even further to, “What if we were to align the (GHCN?) stations to UTC Zulu, would we be able to attain a better snapshot of the exact temperature (heat content?) of the globe at that exact moment?” Four ‘snapshots’ a day to create the daily average, and the rest is the same moving forward.
With the advent of electronic monitoring, this should be pretty simple. The question would always be how to deal with the historical data.
MrC
Interesting article in the Washington Post titled: Amazon’s Past maybe not so primitive – new findings suggest region sustained advanced civilization, by Juan Forero in San Martin De Samiria, Peru.
Archeological findings suggests that the Amazon once sustained millions of people using sophisticated agriculture and water resource engineering.
Anyone care to start a string on this?
Johnythelowery asks:
September 3rd at 8:07 pm
“Stephen Hawking announced that there is now no mystery to the event we call the Big Bang. He can explain everything. It’s all to do with M-Theory and gravity. As his brain can go to within a billionth of a second of a big bang. Anyone have a clue what M-Theory is? Thanx.”
The conclusion is that a universe can come into existence spontaneously. To check him out you have to understand the maths which is way over my head. However, this is what I worked out some while ago but gets to the same conclusion by an easier route;
On zero = infinity;
There are two zeros, one lies between the integers of +1 & -1, the other refers to nought (old English for nothing). I believe also that the word zero derives from the Arabic for nothing صفر, ṣafira = “it was empty”. In all practicality, it is not possible to have less than nothing but for mathematics, there has to be negative numbers so that we can write 3-2=1. Convention arranges the negative numbers on the opposite side of the zero.
Numbers are used for quantities or to determine quantities, even if abstract i.e. 3x-2x=1x. So what quantity is zero? Is it not an endless nothing, a boundless nothing, or as it was considered in the past, empty? Zero (written as 0) was used before the concept of negative numbers came into usage.
Infinity (∞) we accept as meaning a going on for ever, endless, having no boundary.
So, using language as meaning rather than characters as concepts, we can see that an endlessness, a boundlessness, is something that we have difficulty imagining but no difficulty in understanding: endless and boundless are words in common usage. But does that mean that zero = infinity? It does if we think of infinity is endless & boundless, as we do for nothingness, although we hit the stumbling block of the concepts of empty and full. If something, as opposed to nothing, goes on for ever, then we could see infinity and zero as opposites. But what is full? If our universe is infinite, it is certainly not full, in fact it is mostly nothing with a slight touch of something we call matter. Looks like the statement zero = infinity is not true, a slight touch of something is something and therefore not empty.
But as we are seeking some understanding here, we must ask: what is matter? Well it is best described by E=MC^2 (not yet dis-proven) which explains the physical existence of anything.
The theory that a singularity expanded only fits with a description of what happened as far back as we can ascertain and that is based on the observation of an expanding universe. From a singularity – a black hole – no light escapes. The speed of light within that single existence is nothing, stationary, 0. E=M0^2=0. So the infinite space containing everything contains nothing. Zero = infinity Q.E.D.
But before the singularity? Before anything? The answer has to be nothing. The general theory of relativity proves that a singularity, by itself is nothing, 0. So the state of nothing can in fact exist. We know this because we can detect a black hole and therefore a singularity, a state which can move on to be everything, a universe, a transition between zero and infinity. A gestation state between nothing and everything – even the concept of negative numbers.
Shorter than the Hawking version and may also differ considerably on the concepts!
Kate.
Re the “Green Building Codes”, it may be too late to influence the code impact.
I’ve worked on building mechanical systems (air conditioning, heating, insulation) for over 25 years, and there has been little push back against the codes and ungainly regulations being incorporated.
The USBGC has beenthe leader inthis effort, and parallels much the same way the IPCC is operated. They claim to be a not-for-profit group, yet are backed by the very same groups that profit from their regulations.
The best example of this impact is California. Just to add a 1-1/2 ton air conditoner to an existing data center, I end up filling out 16 pages of paper work. Twenty years ago I would scratch out the specifications on a single 8-1/2×11 sheet of paper, sealing with my professional seal and the design was done. Cost to my client was about four hours of my time. The same job now costs my client over twenty hours of my time, and actually costs more than installation of the equipment.
Unfortunately, the Green Code you posted will start the same process nationwide.
I am not a scientist but a degreed mechanical engineer licensed to seal projects in 12 states. I don’t post my name because I could potentially lose work if some of my clients knew I was a skeptic.
paulw says:
September 3, 2010 at 5:34 pm
“People have been quoting (without references) that CO2 contributes around 0.4% of the greenhouse effect of the planet, so any change (such as doubling) in CO2 would not make a difference.
Apparently, this figure is not ’0.4%’ (who first said that?) but 20%.
Source: http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi?id=sc05400j
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paulw, i just roughly skimmed through the paper you link to. I didn’t find one occurence for “wavenumber”, “wave number”, “frequency”, “absorption band”, and not one graph. Yes it sounds absurd, but there’s Gavin Schmidt writing about the greenhouse effect of CO2 and being able to avoid all these terms.
I’m not sure what he’s doing there; i have the feeling it’s got absolutely nothing to do with physics and a lot with computer models.
Correction – USGBC (US Green Buildings Council)
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21 sunspots drawn today. I can project 7 of them.
How many can you project?
But SWPC/NOAA does not see the little spot at 2N.
I wonder why that is?
It appears on SDO AIA 4500 09/03/2010 23:0008 UT image.
It appears on SDO AIA 4500 09/04/2010 19:0008 UT image.
It appears on SOHO MDI Continuum 09/04/2010 12:35UT image.
It appears on SOHO MDI Continuum 09/04/2010 09:01UT image.
It appears on SOHO MDI Continuum 09/04/2010 05:29UT image.
It appears on SOHO MDI Continuum 09/03/2010 21:14UT image.
Now, I was under the impression that all the spots were counted, because it was pointed out that SDO and SOHO cannot show more spots than exist, only exquisite detail of the spots, not more of them. You count what you see. It does not matter. There is no selection bias.
Sunspots at high detail now available from SDO – what will this do to the sunspot count?
This story takes a turn.
My post at 10:34.
Sorry, 3+(-2)=1 !!
DirkH says:
“Yes it sounds absurd, but there’s Gavin Schmidt writing about the greenhouse effect of CO2…”
Gavin Schmidt spreads his RC junk science wherever he can — so long as he doesn’t have to defend it in public, lest he get humiliated again. Last time he debated he got spanked hard by the skeptics.
Now he says things like this [from Kloor’s blog]:
Those who object to the label “climate alarmists” need to rein in their incredible Alarmist-In-Chief.
It’s interesting that Mr Schmidt never criticizes the real culprits, he only wags his finger at the U.S. and the EU. An honest scientist would lay the blame where it belongs.
Rocket Sturgeon DeNihilist??..LO..FRIGGIN LOUD!!..Funny..got to use that from now on!…Wow..We dropped down to the 09 Minimum Yest (Bummed out Funny Face)….With temps below the freezing point of Sea Water in the Ice Extent area shouldn’t we see some rebound Soon?..Inquiring Minds want to Know…
Kate says:
September 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm
News Item – Heads Up….
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Welcome to Agenda 21. Europe has some new, really off the wall codes and Pres. Bush had agreed to “Harmonize” our US laws with that of the EU so I guess this is part of it.
EU banned heated family houses built from 2020
“The European Union has adopted a regulation that will ban the construction of ordinary family houses, starting from 2020. Only the so-called passive houses will be allowed:….” http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/06/eu-banned-heated-family-houses-built.html
Look like “they” really want to push us back to unheated mud huts and then ban fires too…..
jae says:
September 3, 2010 at 7:51 pm
I suspect you mean high humidity when you say the most GHGs. In which case it’s because there’s only a certain amount of energy available from dear Sol & Water takes some heating. This is why dry places are those that seem to show warming, humid places don’t need to cool much to maintain the same overall energy so average temps go up.
DaveE.
Like most Americans with a knowledge of history, I DO NOT WANT foreign laws trumping — or even influencing — our U.S. Constitution. To the extent we have veered away from the original Constitution and Bill of Rights, we have lost, bit by bit, what made our nation great.
Self-serving groups and individuals have learned to game the system, from gerrymandering elections, with the result that politicians choose their voters, rather than vice-versa, to elected officials actually working hand-in-glove with foreign governments to assist the flood of illegal foreign nationals coming here to, among other things, illegally vote our largess into their pockets.
I recall when a 20th century candidate for President was attacked mercilessly by the big newspapers in the U.S. for his strong pro-U.S.A. platform:
With every pig in the public trough vilifying his stand, including the media, the military-industrial complex, education, Rockefeller Republicans, and numerous other special interests, LBJ won the election — and the country endured another decade in the Viet Nam war.
Moral: don’t vote the way you’re told; vote in your own best interest. And remember that character matters.
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