I get letters, I’m not sure how I ended up on this list. Looks like Harry Reid and John Kerry have some competition for a “Climate bill”. It seems like the public can attend, see how to register below. A video follows.
Sen. Cantwell Left, Sen. Collins, Right
Please register for this event online at: http://www.aei.org/event/100268
Controlling Greenhouse Gases: The CLEAR Act Option
With Remarks by Senators Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) and Susan M. Collins (R-Maine)
Thursday, July 29, 2010, 2:00–3:30 p.m.
G11 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20002
Senator Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), the chair of the Senate Subcommittee on Energy, and Senator Susan M. Collins (R-Maine) will explain their proposed approach to control greenhouse gases: the admirably concise, 39-page Carbon Limits and Energy for America’s Renewal (CLEAR) Act. This act follows the House’s passage of the 1,428-page* Waxman-Markey American Clean Energy and Security Act and the introduction in the Senate of the 987-page* Kerry-Lieberman Clean Energy Jobs and American Power Act, both of which would strictly control greenhouse gas emissions via cap-and-trade. Alan D. Viard and Kenneth P. Green, resident scholars at AEI, will comment briefly after the senators’ remarks.
*as of July 19, 2010
Agenda:
1:45 p.m.
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2:00
Introduction:
KENNETH P. GREEN, AEI
2:10
Address:
SENATOR MARIA CANTWELL (D-Wash.)
SENATOR SUSAN M. COLLINS (R-Maine)
2:40
Respondents:
ALAN D. VIARD, AEI
KENNETH P. GREEN, AEI
3:00
Question and Answer
3:30
Adjournment
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Here’s YouTube video from Cantwell’s website explaining her view of it:
Some links to documents:
Legislation
Documents
- How Does the CLEAR Act Work?
- Goals, Framework and Advantages of the CLEAR Act
- Extended Overview Memo
- Clear Act PowerPoint
- Frequently Asked Questions
- Detailed CLEAR Act Q&As
- CLEAR Act side by side with Waxman-Markey, H.R. 2454
Killing the bill early is the only option.
CO2 follows temperature, not the other way. Open a coke and you’ll see it: The more you have it in your warm hand the more gas will go out when you open it.
CO2 is the transparent gas we all exhale (and Not SUV: That dark is SOOT=Carbon dust) and plants breath with delight, to give us back what they exhale instead= Oxygen we breath in.
CO2 is a TRACE GAS in the atmosphere, it is the 0.038% of it.
There is no such a thing as “greenhouse effect”, “greenhouse gases” are gases IN a greenhouse, where heated gases are trapped and relatively isolated not to lose its heat so rapidly. If greenhouse effect were to be true, as Svante Arrhenius figured it out: CO2 like the window panes in a greenhouse, but the trouble is that those panes would be only 3.8 panes out of 10000, there would be 9996.2 HOLES.
See:
http://www.giurfa.com/gh_experiments.pdf
CO2 is a gas essential to life. All carbohydrates are made of it. The sugar you eat, the bread you have eaten in your breakfast this morning, even the jeans you wear (these are made from 100% cotton, a polymer of glucose, made of CO2 (you didn’t know it, did you?)
You and I, we are made of CARBON and WATER.
The atmosphere, the air, can not hold heat, its volumetric heat capacity, per cubic centimeter is 0.00192 joules, while water is 4.186, i.e., 3227 times.
This is the reason why people used hot water bottles to warm their feet and not hot air bottles.
Global Warmers models expected a kind of heated CO2 piggy bank to form in the tropical atmosphere, it never happened simply because it can not.
If global warmers were to succeed in achieving their SUPPOSED goal of lowering CO2 level to nothing, life would disappear from the face of the earth.
Greenhouse Gasses… I like growing plants in a greenhouse because they do much, much better than trying to get them to grow in this cold, windy, miserable world. The only people that want to control/limit greenhouse gasses apparently don’t want foodstuff production to increase (or they’re hooked on the false notion that polar bears can’t survive without plenty of ice). Apparently they haven’t read the research that shows plants need less water when CO2 levels are up. Apparently they haven’t learned that the earth goes through prolonged periods, about 100,000 years each, where temperatures are so low that feeding the current earth’s population will be very difficult at best, and that these 100,000-year frozen periods are intersperced with relatively short, 10,000-year periods where man generally thrives, especially during the warmest segments of those warm periods. Nor are they even slightly concerned that this current warm period is about gone. But then leave it to government officials to get it all wrong (they should work for the people but lately they’ve been working for someone else although you’re still supposed to foot the tab).
We charge the companies X amount, so the price rise to you is X (100%), we keep 25% of X and you get back 75% of X, you will have to find your own 25% of X somewhere else.
So, the money cycles through a government department and they skim 25% off the top. Better than Vegas.
CLEAR is what you are after becoming an accomplished scientologist, right? Hmm, sounds like a bargain.
This is just another way to increase the cost of energy, criopple American industry, drive jobs overseas and redistribute wealth. It is based on the incorrect idea that carbon dioxide gas is a pollutant or that it will unduly warm the earth. First, CO2 is essential to life and not a pollutant. Second, since levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have very little effect on temperature, and increasing the amount of CO2 improves agriculture, there will be no benefit to counterbalance the negative effects of this proposed legislation.
Heh.
Did you think they went away?
They were just getting vajazzled for xmas.
Nor all your talk can move but a breeze, sweet though it may be.
That won’t stop the tsunami. Prepare to swallow the sea.
They keep winning because they have all your money.
You keep giving them all your money and you should expect to get what you got and have nobody to blame but yourself. They would not and could not do what they do except that you so eagerly pay for it. Would that half the effort went to not paying – you could stop it over night. But you believe in it. The proof is self evident- you indulge in the drama and keep paying. That’s 100% empirical, my skeptical friends.
You have got what you paid for – that’s 100% empirical.
It could not happen without your voluntary support – that is 100% empirical.
Your money makes this happen. Control it better. Act as if you are worthy to be owner of a life (your own) 0r the proofs of the contrary will continue to mount.
Things will change when you demonstrate your worthiness to live. You don’t really believe you are- that’s just empirical- one need only look at what you do.
Can Legislators Ever Act Responsibly?
What can I say? The CLEAR act is intelligently put together by people who believe that global warming is real. They seem like nice people deceived by the global warming propaganda machine. Unfortunately, global warming is physically impossible. That is why it has never been observed as you can find out in my book “What Warming?” It is physically impossible because the infrared band of the atmosphere where carbon dioxide absorbs is saturated. This means that addition of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere has no influence whatsoever on the already-existing greenhouse effect. This is not theory but empirical observations – facts about nature. Ferenc Miskolczi [1] used NOAA’s database of weather balloon observations to determine that “… the global average annual infrared optical thickness has been unchanged for 61 years, with a value of 1.87. It will be inferred that CO2 does not affect the Earth’s climate through the greenhouse effect.” This is because carbon dioxide must absorb infrared radiation to cause greenhouse warming, and this does not happen. Sixty one years of constantly adding more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere has not changed the transparency of the atmosphere one whit or the optical thickness would have increased, and it did not. Case closed.
[1] Ferenc Miskolczi, “The stable stationary value of the earth’s global average atmospheric Planck-weighted greenhouse-gas optical thickness” E&E 21(4):243-246 (2010)
“climate bill”
Never has climate responded to lawmakers. Never.
Call it a shakedown on energy consumption. You could place any King, brand of religion or tax over the Sahara and the desert climate wouldn’t change.
I suspect Soros and other speculators are drooling over carbon trading schemes.
This should be called ‘The Rainbow Stew Act’.
Ms. Cantwell, Washington states other socialist senator, declares that all fossil fuels will be controlled by carbon trading schemes, creating artificial shortages of our lowest cost, high BTU density energy forms to allow the higher cost, lower efficiency, taxpayer subsidized forms of energy to ‘flourish’. She declares that no consumers will be economically hurt by this and most will ‘come out ahead’. What a pile of Barbara Striesand!! Unfortunately, we’ll have to deal with Ms. Cantwell in 2012. Right now, the focus is on punting Patty ‘Cakes’ Murray out of her senate seat, for playing patty cakes with SEIU, ACORN, and a long list of socialist organization that are big money contributors to her and Maria.
Why ‘The Rainbow Stew Act’? Merle Haggard was spot on, when he sang Rainbow Stew decades ago. Get your silver spoon ready for a heapin helpin of wishful thinking Rainbow Stew…… (Note: Bubble Up was/is a lemon lime soda pop that’s been around in the north central part of the US since 1919.)
Rainbow Stew – Merle Haggard
There’s a big, brown cloud in the city,
And the countryside’s a sin.
An’ the price of life is too high to give up,
Gotta come down again.
When the world wide war is over and done,
And the dream of peace comes true.
We’ll all be drinkin’ free bubble-up,
Eatin’ that rainbow stew.
When they find out how to burn water,
And the gasoline car is gone.
When an airplane flies without any fuel,
And the sunlight heats our home.
One of these days when the air clears up,
And the sun comes shinin’ through.
We’ll all be drinkin’ free bubble-up,
An’ eatin’ that rainbow stew.
Eatin’ rainbow stew in a silver spoon,
Underneath that sky of blue.
All be drinkin’ free bubble-up,
An’ eatin’ that rainbow stew.
Instrumental break.
You don’t have to get high to get happy,
Just think about what’s in store.
When people start doin’ what they oughta be doin’,
Then they won’t be booin’ no more.
When a President goes through the White House door,
An’ does what he says he’ll do.
We’ll all be drinkin’ free bubble-up,
Eatin’ that rainbow stew.
Eatin’ rainbow stew in a silver spoon,
Underneath that sky of blue.
We’ll all be drinkin’ that free bubble-up,
Eatin’ some rainbow stew.
Eatin’ rainbow stew in a silver spoon,
Underneath that sky of blue.
All be drinkin’ that free bubble-up,
Eatin’ rainbow stew.
More dis-info coming every day:
http://www.truth-out.org/national-resource-council-report-underscores-urgency-carbon-emissions-reductions61513
Arno Arrak says:
Arno, i’m sure your book is great but instead of plugging it in every thread why don’t you just let your name link to an Amazon page about it or to a website of your own? That would be the legitimate way to do it IMHO.
Arno Arrak: July 20, 2010 at 11:47 am
What can I say? The CLEAR act is intelligently put together by people who believe that global warming is real. They seem like nice people deceived by the global warming propaganda machine.
Nice people who are ignorant can be dangerous, too. Being mugged by a polite robber rather than an obnoxious one merely lessens the outrage — your money’s still gone.
They believe passing this bill will reduce overall CO2 emissions by 80% by 2050? They’re fools, to boot…
Same old song and dance — we pay more for pollution and put Americans out of work. Can’t they come up with something better than this tax and spend nonsense?
From How Does the CLEAR Act Work?
75% of [carbon permit] auction revenues are given back to consumers directly each month on an equal per capita basis to offset energy cost increases.
• Average annual refunds for a family of four are estimated to be approximately
$1000.
• Sending auction revenues directly to consumers means 80% of the American public
will incur no net costs and the lowest income population will receive net positive
benefits. The remaining 20% percent – the highest income earners—will see less
than a 0.3% decrease in income.
25% of [carbon permit] auction revenues go into the Clean Energy Reinvestment Trust Fund to pay for additional greenhouse gas emissions reductions, low‐carbon energy investment, climate change adaptation, and related regional economic adjustment projects.
“75% of the auction revenue is returned directly to voters”
Wahoo! I’m going to be rich if this passes.
/sarc
MikeEE
On the positive side,
1. While CLEAR is pretty stupid, at least it’s comprehensible, as opposed to the Kerry plan which is mind numbingly stupid and incomprehensible,
2. CLEAR will be considerably easier to unwind once people realize the damage it’s doing, and the flying pink unicorn nature of the goals,
3. They are planning to use the funds obtained (maybe a few percent) for some economically beneficial activities.
Better would be to ignore the AGW hoax altogether, but when people are emotionally committed to doing stupid things, this is probably the best we can hope for.
This is yet another attempt to separate people from their money among other things. “by 2012 the price of carbon shares shall not be less than $7/ton” explicitly enforced by govt. market dictate. Tell me that’s part of a free society. By 2050 limit emissions to 17% of 2005 levels. Translation: Destroy modern US society or at least set it back to late 1800’s. Effect on climate/weather? Zero. Effect on standard of living? Hugely negative.
These competing climate bills are obviously a game to see which powermad, narcissistic, wannabe dictator can screw the public the most.
Henry chance says: July 20, 2010 at 11:55 am
“I suspect Soros and other speculators are drooling over carbon trading schemes.”
We have monetized the air!
And now the proletariat will pay us for it!
Enneagram says:
July 20, 2010 at 11:24 am
Is there a contest to put the most errors, misdirections and extraneous material into one comment? I’ll just take one:
“If global warmers were to succeed in achieving their SUPPOSED goal of lowering CO2 level to nothing, life would disappear from the face of the earth.”
I challenge you to name one scientist, politician or activist who is advocating reducing CO2 levels to zero.
There are plenty who are demanding zero emmisions, but that is a very different objective. Hansen has advocated stabilising CO2 levels at 350 ppm. That’s 70ppm above natural, and 350ppm above zero.
The dry ice in the plastic soda bottle (presumably) to “represent” fossil fuels is a nice touch to the propaganda. It’s a nice change from the usual power plant smokestacks belching out steam to “show” “climate pollution”.
Obama wants to cure the symptom of unemployment instead of the biggest cause, i.e., unsettling uncertainiy due to his “changes”. By shutting down almost all offshore drilling until November (maybe beyond), and foisting enactment of a carbon tax to fight the scam hysteria of “global warming”, Obama is pursuing a war on energy. Now he has some mainly foolish support from Maine. If they win, we lose — by suffering bigger balance of trade deficits because we’ll need more imported oil, and reap higher unemployment from much higher artificially hiked energy costs. Do they think American factories run on lobster power?
Edward Boyle @11:40 am said it all in just a few words.
Dave McK,
Can you explain how we should avoid paying taxes? I don’t ‘give’ money to the gov’t, I pay taxes because the alternative is not worth the hassle. Then, they completely mis-spend the money they take. Remember the multi-thousand page healthcare bill, which no one was allowed to read before it was passed? And recently the Democrats “deemed” their bill to have passed — without a vote!
They have learned to game the system. They cheat the citizens they purport to represent. Now the BIG LIE is being pushed hard; that “carbon” [by which scientific illiterates mean carbon dioxide, a harmless and beneficial trace gas] is a “pollutant.”
This proposed “bipartisan” [IOW, 100% Democrat] bill is nothing but another tax increase. They lie when they claim that it will reduce atmospheric CO2; China has already surpassed the U.S. in manufacturing, and they heavily out-emit the U.S. with CO2. They won’t stop, they will continue building 2 – 4 new coal-fired power plants every week until at least 2024 [per the Economist]. India, Russia, Brazil, and a hundred smaller countries will follow their lead.
This bill is yet another way for government to get its hands deeper into our pockets — and for no discernible effect. It is simply another money grab. So I would like to stop funding them. But I can’t see how it is possible to stop their funding – they have the police power of the state, backed by the legal system. If you personally don’t pay the government, I would like to know how you do it.
Just don’t complain buddies!, in my country we pay US$5.40 per gallon and nobody gets mad. It’s all about Global Governance, ya know…
The difference between global government and global governance is that, by the second one, pseudo independent countries enforce by their “own will” binding agreements signed with the UN and other nice international organizations.
what a bunch of crap……..