Oz report – Footy at least has rules

The Tuesday night meeting in Brisbane on the WUWT Australian tour had a bit of unexpected fireworks courtesy of Aussie reef scientist Ove Hoegh-Guldberg. The meeting started off with some protestors outside holding placards with the tired old messages claiming “funding by big oil”…etc. Professor Ove actually incited this on his blog, saying that “The Climate Shifts crew and other scientists will be there en masse to record and debunk the lies that will be told.”

The “en masse” was about 5, maybe 6 people by my count. Ove is the one at right below.

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Andrew Bolt (left), Ove Hoegh-Guldberg (right)

I’ve never met Dr Ove, never corresponded with him, and after watching his behavior firsthand, I’m not sure I would have wanted to. His behavior left me with the impression that he was the antithesis of a professional person. At least the lady from Oxfam and the fellow in the green shirt who came up to me afterwards had manners, even though they disagreed with me, and I thank them for that. Ove never made the effort to say hello.

Andrew Bolt and his readers explain it far better than I could:

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From Andrew Bolt’s blog:

Matt Ridley has his book The Rational Optimist fact-checked by five warmist scientists, including our own alarmist, Ove Hoegh-Guldberg. Conclusion:

After reading their critiques, I stand even more firmly behind my conclusion that the threats to coral reefs from both man-made warming and ocean acidification are unlikely to be severe, rapid or urgent.

He explains why. And then starts fact-checking Hoegh-Guldberg instead…

(Thanks to reader Brady.)

UPDATE

Reader Brendan reports from the lecture tour of Watts Up With That’s Anthony Watts (dates and cities here):

Your mate Ove Hoegh-Guldberg turned up with an acolyte/personal photographer at Anthony Watts’ talk in Brisbane tonight.  He didn’t actually ask Anthony any questions and seemed only interested in hijacking the Q&A at the end to snipe at Bob Carter.  This included calling Prof. Carter “crazy” at one point for questioning the IPCC consensus and also refusing to return the microphone to one of the helpers.

While Prof Carter maintained a disciplined, academic tone it seemed David Archibald had other ideas.  When answering a question about who was making money from climate change Archibald alluded to certain members of the audience getting millions of dollars to conduct “stupid” research on the reef.  However, the high ground yielded by Archibald with this comment was quickly regained when Ove then dramatically sprung to his feet and shouted to the audience how he was the butt of the slight.

Reader BcuBed adds:

Andrew,

The … professor tried to commandeer the WUWT Seminar in Brisbane last night. I think he even mentioned you. My wife summed him up pretty well – “Who is that arrogant a/hole”.

Despite Bob Carter giving him three minutes of stage time he still continued to push his way into the thread of the meeting, much to the disgust of one of the audience who chimed in with “I did not travel for three hours to hear you, so sit down”.

These holier than thou academic types never seem to get it and then they wonder why they are losing public confidence. The “Trust me I’m a doctor (or professor)” mentality and “I know better than you” just does not wash with the average person.

The presentations by Anthony Watts and David Archibald were well-received by the audience and Bob Carter did a great job chairing and summing up the evening. Well worth the effort of going along and helped to confirm my view of what a d… the reefman is.

For my debate with Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, click on the second item on the Index at this ABC site.

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The odd thing is, if Professor Ove Hoegh-Guldberg had simply asked at the start to make a statement (like a professional scientist normally would) Professor Carter (who chaired the meeting) would have gladly done so and I would have given my approval as well, even though he has called both myself and Dr. Carter “liars” in advance. He hadn’t even seen the presentation. His conduct and constant hijacking of the microphone finally irritated me enough to shout out “Hey, go rent your own hall!”.  Ove ignored me and kept on.

This head butting really doesn’t accomplish anything, and looks bad for professional science, unless of course you are playing “State of Origin” footy, in which case Ove-like antics seem to be the strategy.

By the way, QLD thrashed NSW 34-6, with NSW only making a goal in the 79th minute last night. My first introduction to AU footy was like watching the Superbowl in the states, and I thank my hosts sincerely for setting me up with good company with which to expose me to the sport in style. After watching Ove, I noted that the footy at least had basic rules of conduct I could follow, they even put one fellow on report with possibly suspension, for bad behavior.

The physical rough and tumble footy match gave me a far better impression of Australia than Prof Ove Hoegh-Guldberg’s rough and tumble did.

– Anthony

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Baa Humbug

I’ve had the (dis)pleasure of tangling with O H-G at Andrew Bolts blog earlier this year.
The man has known nothing but government grant employment all his adult life. The AGW scare has been a gold mine for him and his fellows at the Great Barrier Reef authority. No wonder he is passionately protecting his self interest.
p.s. Ove is easy to debate. He has older peer reviewed papers contradicting his current stance on coral bleaching due to 0.1DegC per decade temp increase. Quote these papers to him and he runs away like the coward that he is.

Steve Schapel

This man has, by this boorish behaviour, no doubt done his “cause” more harm than good.
My very sincere thanks, Anthony, and also to David Archibald and Bob Carter, for your superb efforts to educate the populace, and for the impact you are no doubt having.
I’m glad you enjoyed the footy, and sorry you weren’t able to see a slightly more closely matched game.

Australia had the bad luck of drawing Germany for their first match in South Africa.

Enneagram

♫♫♫
Somewhere over the rainbow
Way up high,
There’s a land that I heard of
Once in a lullaby…♫♫♫

So you went over the rainbow….
to meet those day-dreaming global warming guys

AGW Man

I was there on Tuesday.
Ove was very passionate and clearly believed deeply in what he was saying/doing.
When given 3 minues to talk be basically said AGW is happening because all scientists say so and that AGW is right because the IPCC says so, as if that would have been new to the audience. Anthony on the other hand had presented a talk with data, observations and a reasoned argument.
I’d like to see Ove debate with Bob Carter and Anthony when he has had time to prepare a reasonable presentation with the emotion removed and the reason injected.
I thought that Bob Carter (the chairman that evening) handled it very well and on balance it was good to give Ove 3 minutes to talk,

wws

Anthony, Richard Fernandez has put up a post about you and he going on a late nite food run – sounds like a wonderful trip! I had a marvelous time reading about two of my favorite bloggers searching for Harry’s Cafe de Wheels.
and he gives a very good summary of a talk you gave, if you haven’t seen it yet:
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2010/06/13/whitewash-versus-paint/

Anthony, good tip for microphones handed out to audiences, keep a volume control handy. If you can patch in some birds tweeting, even better.

wayne

Hope your having lots of fun Anthony while we suffer through all of these long days without you at the controls! Aye mate? :0)

Michael D Smith

I see that Steve Milloy (JunkScience.com) was nice enough to send them a T-shirt. I have one just like it. I don’t think they got the message.

Pascvaks

Aussie reef scientist Ove Hoegh-Guldberg is one of those people who, if they didn’t already exist, you would have to invent. People are stranger than fiction.

John Trigge

As an Aussie, that interview was almost too embarrassing to watch.
Ove Hoegh-Guldberg appeared to be your typical, alarmist cherry-picker who wanted to stress one particular point (arctic ice reduction), ignore the antarctic increase but still make comments that the interviewer was not looking at things globally when it suited his (Ove’s) purpose.
He also claims that people are not looking at long enough timescales then produces a temperature graph of only 150 years or so. It was only 6-12,000 years ago that the Great Lakes of North America were formed BY GLACIERS so, personally, I’m extremely pleased that the Earth has warmed up a little since then.

John Trigge

PS – looking forward to seeing Anthony and Co in Adelaide

geo

I actually rather like that T-shirt. It’s “non-denominational”, so to speak. Skeptic and true believer alike can both wear it.

DirkH

“stevengoddard says:
June 16, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Australia had the bad luck of drawing Germany for their first match in South Africa.”
We got lucky. Ballack and 4 or 5 other top players all fell ill or got injured before the World Cup. Nobody expected the team to be that successful.
Sorry, Ossies.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley

Yes, but he is Australian! I mean, they are very brash, curt, sometimes rude – and say it like it is. Some actually like that, as you know where you stand. Personally I don’t, as there’s no need to be rude. But having met lots of Australians I’m in no wonder that you can very easily end up in a bar-fight there for just disagreeing with someone’s viewpoint! Unfortunately they can’t moderate their tone of language. English Formula 1 racer, Lewis Hamilton, was recently called a [snip] by an Australian government minister! They seem to think this is acceptable language, but to us it comes across as boorish and ill-mannered. And even saying that you get called a snob.

George E. Smith

“”” stevengoddard says:
June 16, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Australia had the bad luck of drawing Germany for their first match in South Africa. “””
Well ‘scuse me; but that namby pamby thing they are playing in South Africa hardly qualifies as “Footy.”
I thought that Anthony was referring to “Footy” otherwise known as “Australian Rules”.
Now that really is football.
Of course American “Football” should be called handball; because you never actually put foot to ball, until you have failed to advance ten yards, in which case you try to kick the ball out over the side line; way up field; and of course you failat that so somebody catches it and runs it back for a TD; talk about dumb; allowing a run back.
So every colelge and professional NFL coach should be made to watch that silly whirled cup thing; to disabuse himself of the notion that soccer players can actually kick the ball. Even with a round ball, it goes ove the net; round the net; anywhere but in the net.
Then those coahces would go looking for Rugby fullbacks to kick the ball for them or even betetr get some Aussie “Footy” players. Every single chap on the field; with the exception of the referee, is allowed to kick the ball; any time he wants to in real “Footy”.
Too bad you had to watch that SA farce; even in the opening game against Mexico; SA got handed a draw; by disallowing a first half Mexico goal on a botched offside call. Well the frogs don’t allow instant replay in their FIFA excuse for “Footy.”

P.F.

O H-G appears to be a brown footy boob.
[Bad pun for you ornithologically minded.]

Charles and Steven Mosher are doing a fantastic job, while Anthony is away.

BcuBed

Anthony,
You should also take time for a trip to the MCG in Melbourne to watch an AFL game so that you can appreciate the diversity of our football codes in this country. I trust your hosts in Melbourne can arrange for that to happen.
In response to John Trigge. John, Ove also came out with the 150 year timeframe at the Brisbane meeting, which to those of us in the audience with a true geological background was just another example of the lack of understanding of a marine biologist for real earth history as you rightly point out.

singularian

George Smith – I think he’s talking about State of Origin, in which of course, scoring is called a try not a goal and which definitely has nothing to do with soccer ( english – football).
Anthony – this Saturday night is a good one for Rugby with New Zealands All Blacks playing the Welsh national team. If you can catch it you can get really confused as that is Rugby not to be confused with Rugby League, which shouldn’t be confused with Australian Rules which shouldn’t be confused with Football. 🙂
Ghost of Jim C – Yes we Aussies and Kiwis can come across as abrupt to other cultures but of course thats what makes our culture different ( and Aussies are way ruder than Kiwis :)) however in regards to Louis Hamilton I believe it was when he was busted by Police doing donuts on a public street in his Mercedes sportster – definitely a dickhead IMO.

pat

anthony,
glad u got to see australia’s greatest rugby league footballer of all time, darren lockyer, captain of queensland.
also wish i could have attended your event, but u didn’t visit my little town. i was there in spirit though.
it’s good ove attended – nothing like getting up close and personal to discover how zealous he is.
best wishes for the rest of the tour.

pat

The distance between extreme self-righteousness and mental instability is a small one.

DirkH

“stevengoddard says:
June 16, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Charles and Steven Mosher are doing a fantastic job, while Anthony is away.”
You as well; i love your animations!

Russell

My family and I enjoyed the presentation in Brisbane enormously – it was great to meet Anthony and have a chat (though the terrible acoustics of the hall made it difficult).
Ove Hoegh-Guldberg was truly obnoxious, and while I expected no less of him, it was a real eye-opener for my wife and son to see just how flimsy their whole case is, and how reliant on the standard rhetoric of the quoting the IPCC as some infallible source.
And for a man who has a uncommon name in this country to get all huffy and offended when someone mispronounced his name just reveals the type of person he is.
Kudos to Anthony and Bob Carter for the way they handled it with grace and dignity.
Any other Aussies on the blog, make sure you see Anthony while he is here. Highly recommended.

Douglas DC

I had a Australian friend cover my back as we punched our way out of a barfight between Cowboys and Bikers in Richland, wa. of all places. Handy, Mate..
I bet you have all those Oil company checks in your swiss bank account as I do mine from the Nuclear industry that I was accused of by a local greenie and my “Split
Atoms not Birds…” remark concerning my opposition to Wind turbines….

jeef

Auckland would have been a good place to come and speak too, straight across the bridge from Sydney (well, seems like that once you’ve flown to Oz from the States!).

browneye

ghost of big Jim, stop being a pompous [snip] there was no reason to turn this into a racist attack on Aussies.

wayne

stevengoddard says:
June 16, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Charles and Steven Mosher are doing a fantastic job, while Anthony is away.
_______
Of course they are, didn’t mean or say the negative. (But Steve, without feeling needed Anthony might find wrestling crocodiles is just his cup-of-tea and stick, Anthony-Dundee style! We need him here wrestling something more useful like trolls. 🙂 )

Lazlo

From over here in UKland sounds like it’s a great trip.
But watt will happen if Oz and USA meet in the 2nd round…?

Lazlo

Yeah, I know, about as likely as a fart warming the planet..

Mr. Watts,
I support your efforts and have done for a long time; but I would make a comment about Andrew Bolt.
If you’re serious about influencing public opinion in Australia, I wouldn’t lean too heavily on Andrew Bolt. I lived there for 18 years until recently; Andrew has a deservedly bad reputation as something of a tabloid ‘shockjock’ who will pretty much say anything to sell his newspaper column (and now his radio show). He comes across very polite and well-mannered, but he says some deeply unpleasant things sometimes – racism, personal insults, scientifically uninformed comments, and so on.
Foolish squabbles of the sort you’ve just experienced seem to follow Andrew around for that very reason.
He has a ‘fan club’ in Australia, but if you let yourself be seen as one of Andrew’s ‘experts’, you’re likely to alienate mainstream Australian opinion, without Aussies even making the effort to familiarise themselves with your excellent work.

eo

It has become a standard commentary to blame “big oil” funding the skeptics to AGW. It just shows the closed mind of those “scientists”. They have not read the CRU website, the involvement of BP President in the cover up of Climategate, the CRU emails how to big oil is funding AGW, etc. On the otherhand to replace the server at Climatre Audit, Steve M has to pass the hat, has practically work on his own, — but then big oil is behind it.
Lets face it, corals forms calcium carbonate from bicarbonates in the sea water and in so doing emits carbon dioxide, acidifying their immediate environment. It is the biota with cholorophyll who remove the carbon dioxide emitted by the corals.

On the way to work today in Melbourne a big black automobile jumped into the green-paved bike lane for a quick escape left turn out of the traffic jam – I had to break pretty hard. I tapped the side of his car as I wobbled past in the gutter. Next I know he is there in front of me again, 400 m down the road, out of his car and wildly fingering my nose. I heard later that he had let off on his turn, raced through the changing lights, terrified fellow cyclists to tear down the bike lane, back into the main lanes, and up in front of me. ‘Dont touch my car! Greenie scum.’ Cyclist stop behind taking his number while a big black SUV pulls up beside calling camly and firmly ‘Get back in your car mate, get back in your car.’ I wondered guiltly as the gathered cyclists conforting me afterwards whether any of them will be demonstrating outside Anthony’s talk next week. These days you just never know who’s ya mate.

I was staying about three blocks from Buckingham Palace in November, 2003 when GWB was there. The American press reported mass demonstrations outside the palace, when in fact there were less than half a dozen docile people standing around holding signs.
The US press impressed upon me that week that nothing they say is to be trusted. In fact, the big news that week was that England beat Australia in the Rugby World Cup. Over half a million people lined Whitehall to celebrate their return.

Dave N

That’s the thing about being funded under an alarmist government: you can be as rude and stupid as you like as long as you push the agenda.
Looking forward to seeing you in Adelaide. I hope there’s no “Oves” here.

sky

Hope Anthony has the moxie to conduct a parting press conference on the ROOF of the Regional Office in Brisbane. That’s where the official station for that city was located, before being moved to Eagle Farm Airport.

berniel
I have close calls on my bike from pickup trucks almost every day. It is amazing how hostile and dense some rednecks can be.

John Gorter

Chris Watson is entitled to his opinion re Bolt, but many of us in this soon to-be-destroyed-by-socialism country regard him as one of the few shining lights speaking truth. He is spot on on the global warming scam, and has been for a long while.
By the way, football is Australian Rules here, not kiss-and-cuddle (rugby), or that 11 man thing where the main talent appears to be acting.
Cheers!
John

George E. Smith

“”” singularian says:
June 16, 2010 at 2:54 pm
George Smith – I think he’s talking about State of Origin, in which of course, scoring is called a try not a goal and which definitely has nothing to do with soccer ( english – football).
Anthony – this Saturday night is a good one for Rugby with New Zealands All Blacks playing the Welsh national team. If you can catch it you can get really confused as that is Rugby not to be confused with Rugby League, which shouldn’t be confused with Australian Rules which shouldn’t be confused with Football. 🙂
Ghost of Jim C – Yes we Aussies and Kiwis can come across as abrupt to other cultures but of course thats what makes our culture different ( and Aussies are way ruder than Kiwis :)) however in regards to Louis Hamilton I believe it was when he was busted by Police doing donuts on a public street in his Mercedes sportster – definitely a dickhead IMO. “””
Well I have no idea what that was all about; I don’t remember saying anything about trys.
But ‘ang on there a moment old chap; if the All Blacks are going to play the Welsh National Team; we want an extra referee, and instant replay. Last time the All Blacks played the Welsh in Cardiff in 1905, our Charlie Deans scored a try; which would have given the game to the undefeated 1905 All Blacks; so the stupid blind referee said it wasn’t a try; which gave the game (free gift) to the Welsh; who sure as hell can sing; but can’t play rugby for beans.
So we are still pissed off at being stiffed over there in Cardiff. Hasn’t been near as much ruckus since; well except for the Scoreless Draw in Wellington in 1936 between the All Blacks and the Springboks; that was the Dr Danie Craven Springboks; and they weren’t half bad at Rugby themselves. They can’t play soccer for beans; but who cares about that genteel game.
So get that extra referee and instant replay; we don’t want any 1905 rip-offs again.
Mind you as I recall in 1905, our All Blacks were a little bit put off by those damn Welsh singers singing that there “Dear Land of My Fathers” thing; kind of put the kibosh on the Maori Haka; and sort of wrecked the Kiwi composure; so maybe on the day; those Welsh chaps really played the better game, and maybe deserved the win; but old Charlie really did score that try; I even remember watching the TV reruns of the game.

xyzlatin

Chris Watson this is a totally incorrect and vicious spray from you to Andrew Bolt who is a highly respected columnist in Australia who calls it like it is. Moderators I take exception to you allowing this person to use the WUWT site under the guise of supporting and “warning” Anthony, to attack a professional journalist and broadcaster in another country who is doing a great job. If Chris Watson wants to spray Andrew Bolt he can quite easily go to Bolt’s blog at any time. Bolt’s blog is the most popular one in Australia, with millions of hits yearly, and anyone, including you, Mr Watson, can have their say there, there is no need to pollute here with your nastiness, lies and racist comments about Bolt.

Peter B

“xyzlatin says:
June 16, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Chris Watson this is a totally incorrect and vicious spray from you to Andrew Bolt who is a highly respected ,…”
I agree xyzlatin. These are odd observations by Chris Watson and have an faint odour of Trollmeat in their formation.
Andrew is passionate and does occasionally advocate things that I do not agree with. He is, however, a very important participant in the public debate on many things including climate change and is usually proved correct over time. His latest punt on KRudd losing office within ~1 month is yet to play out yet,..

MD

Mr Chris Watson,
how patronizing of you to ‘warn’ Anthony about Andrew Bolt. I’m sure Anthony is big & smart enough to do his research, even more so in the internet age.
As for this “but he says some deeply unpleasant things sometimes – racism, personal insults, scientifically uninformed comments, and so on.”
I suspect that you choose to believe this for your own agenda, as a proper reading of his columns reveals a man who is decidedly not racist. Once again people confuse racism with culture; for it is essentially cultural issues that Bolt supposedly makes ‘unpleasant’ comments upon. I and millions of other readers of his blog simply see him speaking the bl*@dy obvious truth.
In fact it IS mainstream Australia that reads his opinions.
Good heavens, imagine somebody saying something ‘deeply unpleasant’ that might be true.

Peter B

These are not comments of a racist man. In fact, quite the opposite:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/moron_speaks/
I think some confuse a tighter illegal immigrant stance with racism. I bit like you can’t be an environmentalist if you don’t agree with AGW.

Noelene

Racism
That charge has been made so many times, and so lightly, nobody is listening any more.
Andrew Bolt is not racist, and Chris Watson’s post was not racist, just nasty.
At least it seems to be that Ove passionately believes in AGW, as does Hansen, both fanatics, who should not be listened to because of their fanaticism.
The ones I despise are the ones cynically exploiting the public, neither knowing or caring whether AGW exists or what impact their exploitation has on people.

Baa Humbug

George E. Smith says:
June 16, 2010 at 5:38 pm

Mind you as I recall in 1905, our All Blacks were a little bit put off by those damn Welsh singers singing that there “Dear Land of My Fathers” thing; kind of put the kibosh on the Maori Haka; and sort of wrecked the Kiwi composure; so maybe on the day; those Welsh chaps really played the better game, and maybe deserved the win; but old Charlie really did score that try; I even remember watching the TV reruns of the game.

That was funny Mr Smith, I spilled my coffee. I might wear a dribble bib next time.
Chris Watson says:
June 16, 2010 at 3:40 pm
You are most certainly entitled to your opinion Watson.
My opinion is that you’re a troll and way off the mark in your analysis.
And how presumptous of you to think you can advise Watts. Richard Cranium comes to mind.

Thomas Moore

Hey Anthony, I see you calling Bob Carter by his academic title (Professor Carter or Dr Carter). Can you extend the courtesy and call Ove Hoegh-Guldberg the same (Professor Hoegh-Guldberg or Dr Hoegh-Guldberg) instead of Mr Hoegh-Guldberg? It comes across a little petty the way it reads at the moment. Thanks, Thomas
[Fixed, thanx. Hurried writing. ~dbs, mod.]

Joanie

@ George E Smith…. 1905, as in A.D.? TV reruns from a game in 1905? *shakes head, looks a calendar…* hmmmm…..

Gentlemen, I’m really not a troll. I’ve been a reader of Anthony Watts’ blog for several years now; although I seldom comment as the scientific standard of the comments is pretty high and I’ve had nothing to add.
And I have in fact visited Andrew Bolt’s blog innumerable times. He is right on global warming and some other fairly mainstream conservative issues; but via his comments section he’s also host to literally hundreds of the most outrageous racists; he himself has called – albeit in his mild-mannered way – for BNF type policies towards Muslims and other migrant groups.
I’ve noticed Anthony Watts is rightly careful not to associate himself too closely with American shock jocks like Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck – or any other political commentators for that matter. These guys are what they are. Sometimes they report fairly, but they’re just entertainers, and they are prone to nastiness and misinformation – more to sell their shows than anything else. It’s very smart to keep a certain distance from media figures like this. A serious scientific debate is not a priority for any of them on any side of politics.
The same caution ought to be observed with Andrew Bolt. He really isn’t mainstream by any means – I lived in Victoria a long time – and if you want to reach mainstream Aussies (a much more moderate society than America, incidentally), Andrew Bolt is unlikely to be the one to get you there. Although he’s sure to raise a ruckus and sell plenty of papers.
And gentlemen, I suggest the very harshness of your comments, and their political edge, is evidence, I think, that I’m telling the truth.

Interesting post and comments. I am writing in to identify myself as the guy in the green shirt. (I am a prof of marine ecology at UNC Chapel Hill, NC, USA, http://www.brunolab.net).
Like I told Anthony, in person he was very calm and pleasant in his talk. A nice change. I don’t agree at all with his broader views about the patterns and causes of climate change, but I really got a kick out of his slide show of poorly (to put it lightly) placed weather stations. A very funny yet sad commentary on something-not sure what.
I am also a big supporter (and consumer) of the type of citizen-science that Anthony has been doing and promoting (and I don’t mean that in a critical way). A fair amount of the work I do relies on data from citizen volunteers that do coral reef surveys, e.g., ReefCheck.
All that said, it wasn’t exactly a balanced presentation of the evidence at hand for the audience to evaluate (although I understand it wasn’t meant to be), given three well-known AGW skeptics had nearly two hours on stage with well over a hundred slides while Ove only had a few minutes and a microphone. It isn’t as if he could have outlined the evidence in that time and wasn’t given a chance to show slides, data, etc.
I also don’t think these on stage debates are getting us anywhere. There just isn’t time or an opportunity to present evidence in a deep and understandable way.
I think a more meaningful forum would be to have two presenters have 30 minutes, or whatever, to present their case. Or two teams of two. Anthony, perhaps Ove and I could do this with you and Bob in the coming weeks? We could come to where you are for your tour at our own cost, have some dinner so we all get to know each other as people, then go have a nice chat with the audience?
I wanted to close by urging Anthony and his readers to try to keep an open mind about this broader debate. Anthony seems to me to be truly (or largely) open to the evidence, and there are a few great sites where you can go and evaluate the evidence in its entirety, e.g., http://www.skepticalscience.com/resources.php, http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/, http://www2.ucar.edu/news/backgrounders/hot-questions-about-climate-change, http://www.research.noaa.gov/climate/t_observing.html
And try to get out to the GBR while you are here!
Cheers,
JB