
by Moshpit
The hubris apparent in the notion that the climate is something we can control has found its match in the thought that climate scientists can now understand how to sell a message to the public. Somehow moshpit found himself photoshopped in the middle of this conversation……
ELEANOR HALL: Some of Australia’s top scientists are gathering in Sydney today trying to work out how to “shift public attitudes” on climate change.
MOSHPIT: We do science during the week and PR on our weekends.
The aim, according to organizers, is to publicize the facts of climate science in the face of a so-far highly successful campaign by climate skeptics.
The closed door meeting is being attended by Australia’s Chief Scientist as well as representatives from the CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology, as David Mark reports.
MOSHPIT: Ya no press allowed or anybody else who understands communicating with the public
DAVID MARK: There’s nothing new about the greenhouse effect.
MOSHPIT: Perhaps we should sell a greenhouse effect with retsin! that worked for certs. And we need to sell the message with penguins. Polar Bears are so passe’
KARL BRAGANZA: The first sort of credited person with formulating that the earth has a greenhouse effect is probably a Swedish scientist known as Arrhenius. I think that’s how you pronounce his name and that’s in the late 1800’s.
DAVID MARK: That’s Doctor Karl Braganza, the manager of climate monitoring at the Bureau of Meteorology’s National Climate Centre.
MOSHPIT: Dude you butchered his name, the Swedes won’t go for treaties now.
KARL BRAGANZA: But if you actually look back. It was earlier than that, probably in the early 1800’s that European scientists were first proposing the idea that, you know, the earth’s atmosphere does trap heat and warms up the surface.
MOSHPIT: Ya, this one time in band camp…
DAVID MARK: By the middle of the 20th century, scientists were linking the greenhouse effect with measured increases in carbon dioxide.
KARL BRAGANZA: People started actually recording CO2 in the atmosphere at places like Mauna Loa in Hawaii and that was in the late 50s and it was probably by the late 60s that we really realised that yeah, CO2 was really ramping up in the atmosphere.
MOSHPIT: Psst don’t talk about short trends. After 10 years we couldn’t tell anything
DAVID MARK: And as Doctor Braganza explains in the following decades more empirical evidence of rising temperatures firmed up the theory.
KARL BRAGANZA: The science itself is quite basic and quite straight forward and that’s why within scientific circles you’ll often hear people say that there is no debate within the science about the enhanced greenhouse effect and the reality of it.
MOSHPIT: Talk about the ice. Cue the Penguins.
DAVID MARK: And yet there is a debate and many would argue it’s a debate the scientists are losing to so-called climate sceptics.
CATHY FOLEY: What’s gone wrong is that I think scientists have probably had a lot of different people speaking.
MOSHPIT: Worse than that, they had British accents and funny names like Gavin. We need one credible spokesperson. Like Al Gore, only knowledgable. Or like Phil Jones, only credible. How about a talking Penguin with James Earle Jones’ voice!
DAVID MARK: Doctor Cathy Foley is the President of FASTS – the Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies.
CATHY FOLEY: There’s been a bit of mix as to how do you believe one person as opposed to another and in the areas where scientists are talking with people who are well funded sceptics who aren’t necessarily, well aren’t definitely leaders in their field.
MOSHPIT: Maybe we can get those guys who did the polar bear photoshop job to photoshop McIntyre talking money from Shell Oil? Use one of the pictures of the CRU guys with Shell and just graft on McIntyre’s head. If you have problems just ask Mike, he knows the grafting trick
The general public just don’t know, who do I believe in the end if I read a book, which has some supposed specialist as opposed to a peer-reviewed researcher who’s been working in the field for a long time.
That subtlety is not picked up by them and they find it hard to say what’s right and what isn’t.
MOSHPIT: Let’s declare the debate is over so they don’t even get the chance to understand for themselves. The public is so dumb they will never see through that!
DAVID MARK: So today Australian science is hitting back.
MOSHPIT: Psst, you hit like a sheila, mate.
FASTS is holding a closed-door one-day climate change summit to quote “shift public attitudes in support of climate change action.”
MOSHPIT: Penguins. Teenage mutant ninja penguins.
CATHY FOLEY: I think that scientists really do need to try and get their collective might together to make sure that we have a clear and articulated voice that allows us to make sure that the general public actually understands what it is that we’re trying to achieve so that good decisions are made.
MOSHPIT: Penguins. With a clear voice like James Earl Jones.
DAVID MARK: But as we’ve heard, the science has been around for 100 years, so why is it the scientists haven’t been able to convince the lay people in all that time?
Doctor Cathy Foley.
CATHY FOLEY: I think the scientific community has been putting it out in a way, which they are scientists. They put out the information, which is the facts as they understand it. Scientists are focusing on that and trying to make sure that they put things across in a way which isn’t alarmist and I think that there always trying to tread that very delicate pathway.
MOSHPIT: and so like they put it out there in a way that is like factual as they like know it and they never used penguins to sell the message and like penguins are these funny creatures, not like scary polar bears, and so like that. Did I make sense? is this the conference on communicating with the public? I think I’m at the wrong convention. Can I get my teeth whitened here for free?
DAVID MARK: Could it be then that scientists are too focused on the facts; constrained by the scientific method and perhaps not passionate enough to have their message heard through the static of modern media?
MOSHPIT: Angry Penguins. That’s the ticket!
Doctor Karl Braganza.
KARL BRAGANZA: It’s probably been true that what we’ve been best at is giving a science lecture and no matter who we speak to whether it’s farmer groups or community groups or government, our mode of communication is to sort of give more information. If someone doesn’t understand something, well throw even more information at them and that might not be the best way to communicate issues to the general public at large.
MOSHPIT: Ya we need to stop this giving information thing right now. Lets bring in Mann and Jones, they did pretty well with that hiding information thing. People don’t want facts. They want… Penguins. Passionate Penguins.
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Look, I’m one of those Angry Penguins, an Angry Aussi Penguin. We have a right to be heard. It’s friggen freezin’ down here and that’s only Melbourne… even worse down at Mawson Base, Antarctica. You think you’ve seen Albido, this is ALBIDO …
Me with my literary background and I can’t spell ‘albedo’!
Ha ha ha! Pretty funny!
Clear policy advocacy by Australia’s science establishment. Not good.
Here’s a link to The English release of Rescue from the Climate Saviors, a lay explanation of the physics underlying the fictitious dogma of climate alarmism. KE Research GmbH, a German public policy consultancy firm, prepared the report based on interviews and editing assistance from noted German theoretical physicists Ralf D. Tscheuschner & Gerhard Gerlich, authors of the peer-reviewed paper Falsification of the Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects within the Frame of Physics, and numerous other German climatologists, physicists, and scientists. KE Research encourages all to freely distribute the report by any means (in unchanged form) and is forwarding copies to all members of the US Senate and House of Representatives, and legislators worldwide.
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2010/06/rescue-from-climate-saviors.html
val majkus says:
June 16, 2010 at 4:49 am
Here’s a link to The English release of Rescue from the Climate Saviors…
———Reply:
By ignoring the solar activity trend line in the link you’ve provided, that graph might get Global Warmers to switch from a CO2-warming to a CO2-cooling theme. They could pursue this avenue until the next uptick in global warming, at which time they could revert back to their current interpretation. Where is their imagination when such “flexibility” could be swallowed by the gullible global masses?
What these climate experts don’t seem to understand is that in any decent size audience of the “general public” there will be some exceedingly bright math/science literates in it who have no problem understanding the facts, the data, and conclusions (or lack thereof) that can be drawn from them.
I have observed a general backing-away in the past few months by the MSM of the type of CAGW alarmist stories that were commonplace a year ago. Hopefully many journalists are taking a second look at their suddenly less-gullible readerships and slowly working out that Joe Public has decided, without the journalists help, that the ‘science’ behind CAGW has been been found wanting. Even the Guardian, which, a year ago, was pumping out CAGW stories one after the other, frequently runs stories such as a current one about the Olympic Committee for Sustaiablility backing away from installing a windmill. The writer, Chair of said committee, quotes health and safety problems plus supply difficulties. Installing a windmill on the Olympic site in relatively windless London would demonstrate how infrequently the things can actually generate power and be a real and self-sustaining embarrassment.
Enron and BP worked together to introduce cap and trade. Now the loyal left is wondering why we don’t drink the koolaid and jump on the band wagon.
Why don’t we sell premium electricity to only those that insist on it and let the rest of us buy the economical energy?
Forget about penguins — Babymosh with James Earle Jones’ voice would be so much more persuasive!
Clueless!
Here are some clues for the Australian AGW chaps:
It’s not what you haven’t communicated, it’s what you have communicated:
Arrogance – “The debate is over” If your argument was good enough, it would have won by now.
Exclusive Authoritarianism – Only those that agree with you are valid. All others can be dismissed and/or destroyed. Ad hominems don’t advance your case.
Exaggeration – “The seas will engulf Bangladesh”, “The Arctic will melt this year”, The Maldives will be underwater soon”, “The Himalayan glaciers will be gone by 2035”.
Elitism – The public is too stupid to understand. Only our experts can.
Paranoia – “… even if we have to change the definition of peer reviewed science”. FYI, no one really believes that there is a “well funded” skeptic alliance. And do yourself a favor; drop the “big oil” crap.
Clues are over. You take it from there.
Keith in Perth: What school did you go to?
“It’s” = abbreviation for “It is”
“Its” = “belonging to it”
Here’s my @ur momisugly#$% shifting attitude:
Snow forecasted in the Oregon mountain passes (which I travel through weekly). Regulations require removal of snow tires like way the hell back in April. Travel advisories listed because “…THE SLUSHY AND ICY CONDITIONS MAY STILL CREATE A WINTRY HAZARD FOR DRIVERS WHICH IS NOT TYPICALLY EXPERIENCED IN THE MIDDLE OF JUNE.”
“See? Attitude shift right there. Psychologize that.
Peter Pond says:
“P.S. “shelia” should be “sheila””
I knew that. I was just err testing YOUR ability to spell. ya that’s it. Plus Charles reads everything before it posts and so I’m responsible for all the GOOD things in the post and he’s responsible for all the mistakes. And Anthony is to blame if it really sucks.
There. I commented without making fun of your name. Is your wife named Lilly BTW?
Enjoyed the humor. 🙂
WRT the actual meeting, maybe this is the first time I really get the absurdity of Ivory Tower perspective, the sheer blindness of what should be very bright people for what’s really going on in the world around them.
The reason skepticisim is gaining a foothold is that there are lots of people who don’t like…
Activist Scientists
Working in Secret
Presenting “simplified” messages for the public.
So how do Scientists respond to that in the Merry Old Land of Oz?
Obviously, you get a bunch of Activist Scientists to have private meetings and discuss how to simplify the message so that the idiot public “gets it”.
Snip snip here, snip snip there, and a couple of la-di-das…
that’s how Scientists pass the day away…
(Ok, I’m not that biased, these are just *some* scientists in Australia, and a greater generalization isn’t fair…it’s just for humor, because I’d rather laugh than cry. 🙂 )
Big oil can’t afford to pay off the growing minions of greedy money grubbing sceptics. It would be cheaper to buy up all the windmill and solar energy farms and collect all those fat subsidies. This disgraceful hysterical nonsense by AGW alchemists and ideologues marks the ‘sauve-qui-peut’ (save what you can) phase of the war by the losing side.
wayne says:
June 16, 2010 at 2:36 am
IPCC lays and hatches it’s first egg…
How to pretend (if your the IPCC) that you have a real job when you dont.
“Well I design meta-frameworks for creating frameworks that can then be used to deliver regulatory artefacts…”
Sounds like specialising in the peer review of peer review might be Very Important Work – for some people.
“George E. Smith says:
Well it wouldn’t surprise me one iota, if it turns out that World War III is fought over climate change.”
Sparked by the crash of world banks and the finacial systems perhaps? And did we come close to it again recently? I believe we are just one step behind the brink and now with the crisis spreading to the EU, the world is hoping Asia (Read mostly China) will save us all. The Great Depression, one result of the financial crisis in the 1920’s, was one factor that lit the touch paper to events which became WWII.
“Henry chance says:
June 16, 2010 at 6:42 am
Enron and BP worked together to introduce cap and trade. Now the loyal left is wondering why we don’t drink the koolaid and jump on the band wagon.
Why don’t we sell premium electricity to only those that insist on it and let the rest of us buy the economical energy?”
Enron, who was their “well connected” buddy? Al Gore of course (Oxy – the family oil company. And has a UK based emissions trading company). If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat and runs like a rat, then it is a rat.
Important reasons for increasing public skepticism are that people now have experience from Europe and elsewhere to draw upon, that enough time has passed for critics and experience in the field to discredit wishful warmist promises, and that the Waxman-Markey bill is up for discussion, giving critics a justification for having a platform in the media and for pointing out:
1. The huge cost to the populace and the economy of transitioning now to renewables.
2. The lousy cost-effectiveness, inefficiency, and unreliability of renewables.
3. The failure of the green crusade in Spain and elsewhere, and the overblown claims of success made for Denmark, which is an exceptional case because of hydro backup from Scandinavia.
OK Mosh, I give up and forfeit the month’s supply of quatloos.
BTW you hide the decline in brain cell destruction very well.
Mosh I’m referring to age related not polo related brain cell destruction.
you peace of me