Scientists study shifting attitude to climate change

Steven Mosher

by Moshpit

The hubris apparent in the notion that the climate is something we can control has found its match in the thought that climate scientists can now understand how to sell a message to the public.   Somehow moshpit found himself photoshopped in the middle of this conversation……

From ABC

ELEANOR HALL: Some of Australia’s top scientists are gathering in Sydney today trying to work out how to “shift public attitudes” on climate change.

MOSHPIT: We do science during the week and PR on our weekends.

The aim, according to organizers, is to publicize the facts of climate science in the face of a so-far highly successful campaign by climate skeptics.

The closed door meeting is being attended by Australia’s Chief Scientist as well as representatives from the CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology, as David Mark reports.

MOSHPIT: Ya no press allowed or anybody else who understands communicating with the public

DAVID MARK: There’s nothing new about the greenhouse effect.

MOSHPIT: Perhaps we should sell a greenhouse effect with retsin! that worked for certs.  And we need to sell the message with penguins. Polar Bears are so passe’

KARL BRAGANZA: The first sort of credited person with formulating that the earth has a greenhouse effect is probably a Swedish scientist known as Arrhenius. I think that’s how you pronounce his name and that’s in the late 1800’s.

DAVID MARK: That’s Doctor Karl Braganza, the manager of climate monitoring at the Bureau of Meteorology’s National Climate Centre.

MOSHPIT: Dude you butchered his name, the Swedes won’t go for treaties now.

KARL BRAGANZA: But if you actually look back. It was earlier than that, probably in the early 1800’s that European scientists were first proposing the idea that, you know, the earth’s atmosphere does trap heat and warms up the surface.

MOSHPIT:  Ya, this one time in band camp…

DAVID MARK: By the middle of the 20th century, scientists were linking the greenhouse effect with measured increases in carbon dioxide.

KARL BRAGANZA: People started actually recording CO2 in the atmosphere at places like Mauna Loa in Hawaii and that was in the late 50s and it was probably by the late 60s that we really realised that yeah, CO2 was really ramping up in the atmosphere.

MOSHPIT: Psst don’t talk about short trends. After 10 years we couldn’t tell anything

DAVID MARK: And as Doctor Braganza explains in the following decades more empirical evidence of rising temperatures firmed up the theory.

KARL BRAGANZA: The science itself is quite basic and quite straight forward and that’s why within scientific circles you’ll often hear people say that there is no debate within the science about the enhanced greenhouse effect and the reality of it.

MOSHPIT: Talk about the ice. Cue the Penguins.

DAVID MARK: And yet there is a debate and many would argue it’s a debate the scientists are losing to so-called climate sceptics.

CATHY FOLEY: What’s gone wrong is that I think scientists have probably had a lot of different people speaking.

MOSHPIT: Worse than that, they had British accents and funny names like Gavin. We need one credible spokesperson. Like Al Gore, only knowledgable. Or like Phil Jones, only credible. How about a talking Penguin with  James Earle Jones’ voice!

DAVID MARK: Doctor Cathy Foley is the President of FASTS – the Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies.

CATHY FOLEY: There’s been a bit of mix as to how do you believe one person as opposed to another and in the areas where scientists are talking with people who are well funded sceptics who aren’t necessarily, well aren’t definitely leaders in their field.

MOSHPIT: Maybe we can get those guys who did the polar bear photoshop job to photoshop McIntyre talking money from Shell Oil? Use one of the pictures of the CRU guys with Shell and just graft on McIntyre’s head.  If you have problems just ask Mike, he knows the grafting trick

The general public just don’t know, who do I believe in the end if I read a book, which has some supposed specialist as opposed to a peer-reviewed researcher who’s been working in the field for a long time.

That subtlety is not picked up by them and they find it hard to say what’s right and what isn’t.

MOSHPIT:  Let’s declare the debate is over so they don’t even get the chance to understand for themselves. The public is so dumb they will never see through that!

DAVID MARK: So today Australian science is hitting back.

MOSHPIT: Psst, you hit like a sheila, mate.

FASTS is holding a closed-door one-day climate change summit to quote “shift public attitudes in support of climate change action.”

MOSHPIT: Penguins. Teenage mutant ninja penguins.

CATHY FOLEY: I think that scientists really do need to try and get their collective might together to make sure that we have a clear and articulated voice that allows us to make sure that the general public actually understands what it is that we’re trying to achieve so that good decisions are made.

MOSHPIT: Penguins. With a clear voice like James Earl Jones.

DAVID MARK: But as we’ve heard, the science has been around for 100 years, so why is it the scientists haven’t been able to convince the lay people in all that time?

Doctor Cathy Foley.

CATHY FOLEY: I think the scientific community has been putting it out in a way, which they are scientists. They put out the information, which is the facts as they understand it. Scientists are focusing on that and trying to make sure that they put things across in a way which isn’t alarmist and I think that there always trying to tread that very delicate pathway.

MOSHPIT: and so like they put it out there in a way that is like factual as they like know it and they never used penguins to sell the message and like penguins are these funny creatures,  not like scary polar bears, and so like that. Did I make sense? is this the conference on communicating with the public? I think I’m at the wrong convention. Can I get my teeth whitened here for free?

DAVID MARK: Could it be then that scientists are too focused on the facts; constrained by the scientific method and perhaps not passionate enough to have their message heard through the static of modern media?

MOSHPIT: Angry Penguins. That’s the ticket!

Doctor Karl Braganza.

KARL BRAGANZA: It’s probably been true that what we’ve been best at is giving a science lecture and no matter who we speak to whether it’s farmer groups or community groups or government, our mode of communication is to sort of give more information. If someone doesn’t understand something, well throw even more information at them and that might not be the best way to communicate issues to the general public at large.

MOSHPIT: Ya we need to stop this giving information thing right now. Lets bring in Mann and Jones, they did pretty well with that hiding information thing. People don’t want facts. They want… Penguins. Passionate Penguins.

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Tom Harley
June 15, 2010 6:52 pm

Always worrying about the ‘cold’ climate animals. Spare a thought about our poor heat affected Death Adders, or our cooked Crocs and fried Bungarras, (big lizards to the non Aussies out there).

JRR Canada
June 15, 2010 6:53 pm

Next Ban dihydride monoxide, #1 cause of our climate.Not penquins, we must save the polar bears, strand the AGW twits out with the bears. Polar bears don’t discrimate against any source of protein.Our big oil supported spokesthings, ravenous arctic bears showcasing the tarsands, where canadians are cleaning up Gods oil spill. Just a sample of how we might employ the bedwetters methods. Our politicians have fallen strangely silent on climate change of late. As for these communicators, sorry climate scientists, um truth has the advantage of being easy to remember and cross reference, hysteria and opinion are not science, hence hard to communicate as such.

Sean McHugh
June 15, 2010 7:04 pm

KARL BRAGANZA said: “People started actually recording CO2 in the atmosphere at places like Mauna Loa in Hawaii and that was in the late 50s and it was probably by the late 60s that we really realised that yeah, CO2 was really ramping up in the atmosphere.”
Er, then how come Global Cooling was the science of the 70’s?

Warren in Minnesota
June 15, 2010 7:04 pm

Cathy Foley said, “Scientists are focusing on that and trying to make sure that they put things across in a way which isn’t alarmist and I think that therealways trying to tread that very delicate pathway.”
It should read, “Scientists are focusing on that and trying to make sure that they put things across in a way which isn’t alarmist and I think that they’re always trying to tread that very delicate pathway.”

James Sexton
June 15, 2010 7:05 pm

The media is totally complicit in this debacle. But it isn’t their concern over the environment, or what is real, it is the concern over what they perceive as correct . Witness here. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1286620/Churchill-non-smoker-How-todays-PC-censors-airbrushed-cigar.html . PC run amuck.

wayne
June 15, 2010 7:06 pm

pat says:
June 15, 2010 at 6:40 pm
nothing like a “whale of a story” to appeal to the public:
remember this one?
22 April: ABC: Whale poo reduces carbon levels
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/22/2880461.htm
______________
…. and the effects of whale snoot on the climate are not very well understood either and need many more $cientific $tudies to make both of my Porsche payments every month! 🙂

Doug in Seattle
June 15, 2010 7:14 pm

JRR – Wicked funny, thanks!

June 15, 2010 7:15 pm

And Moshpit still looks the same!! ;>)

pat
June 15, 2010 7:17 pm

drudge has this story, but not the AP version with the Lindsey Graham mention:
15 June: AP: EPA: Climate bill costs less than postage stamp
“The dimensions of the tragedy in the Gulf demand that the president and Congress act boldly to pass legislation that will place a price on carbon which is the only path to reduce our dependence on oil and also create desperately needed clean-energy jobs,” Lieberman said…
“There’ll be some people who will want to demagogue that politically, but that’s less than $1 a day,” Lieberman told reporters. “Is the American household willing to pay less than $1 so we don’t have to buy oil from foreign countries, so we can create millions of new jobs, so we can clean up our environment? I think the answer is going to be yes.”…
The bill’s sole Republican backer, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, withdrew his support last month, saying it is impossible to pass the legislation in the current political climate…
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgtia8XJDhtzR-ed3ZzuVOLC4DvQD9GBVB4G0
as we know, what Graham said was:
“I think they’ve oversold this stuff, quite frankly. I think they’ve been alarmist and the science is in question,” Graham told reporters. “The whole movement has taken a giant step backward.”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/10/quote-of-the-week-sen-lindsey-grahams-180%C2%B0-view-of-climate-science/
so many careers riding on a carbon bill:
MUMBAI, India, June 15 /PRNewswire/ — Tata Consultancy Services, a leading IT services, business solutions and outsourcing firm, and Xynteo, a strategic advisory firm specialising in low-carbon growth, announced a collaboration to jointly create solutions for a low-carbon economy. These solutions will be initially built and deployed in the Nordic market…
A part of the Tata Group, India’s largest industrial conglomerate, TCS has over 160,000 of the world’s best trained IT consultants in 42 countries…
Xynteo is an international strategic advisory firm that equips business leaders with knowledge and tools they need to achieve low-carbon growth. Its clients include some of the world’s most respected companies from across a range of industries, among them oil and gas, financial services, shipping and IT.
Xynteo is the founder of the Global Leadership & Technology Exchange, a business consortium engaged in the pursuit of low-carbon innovation and growth. GLTE partners span three continents and include both Tata Consultancy Services and Tata Sons, along with Acergy, Det Norske Veritas, Deutsche Bank, the Electric Power Research Institute, Gazprom, General Motors, Hess Corporation, PG&E Corporation, Siemens, Statoil, Unilever, Wilh. Wilhelmsen, World Trade Centers Association and Yara.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/tata-consultancy-services-and-xynteo-to-collaborate-on-solutions-for-a-low-carbon-economy-96379069.html
15 June: Global voluntary carbon market tumbled in 2009
Value of deals dropped 47 pct, volume fell 26 pct
Stalled US, Australia climate plans hurt demand
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN1422267220100614

June 15, 2010 7:20 pm

Penguins? Did someone mention penguins??
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1216987379618

Paul
June 15, 2010 7:35 pm

@P.F.
“warm is better than cold.”
Fancy a Swede coming up with that. Wonder where he got that idea? Or do we have a Jan/Feb publication date associated with that statement? Go figure that as a Canadian (who has also lived in two tropical countries) I concur.

James Sexton
June 15, 2010 7:44 pm

pat says:
Lieberman told reporters. “Is the American household willing to pay less than $1 so we don’t have to buy oil from foreign countries, so we can create millions of new jobs, so we can clean up our environment?
The answer to that pinhead is : Here’s an idea, let us allow entrepreneurs spend the money to make the money. We could leave government to do what they should without taxing the public to death. BTW, someone should call him on his $1/day bs. Where did he get that number? We can’t subsidize a service industry for less than $1 trillion over 10 yrs. Witness the “Health reform” package. Off topic, but if the insurance industry was so evil, why did we mandate a purchase from every individual in the country? We sure sowed them!!

Paul
June 15, 2010 7:54 pm

By George, I think I’ve got it!
What they really need is a study on the credibility anomaly of climate science/scientists.
The trend-lines are appallingly all veering downwards at a shocking rate and the correlation between the different data sets is apparently very strong. While this correlation was not demonstrated by the originally measured data, data which is no longer unavailable as it was eaten by the new K9 Super Computer, nonetheless after the K9 finished processing its meal it produced several independent and very reliable homogenized data sets that demonstrated nearly identical trends which form the basis for the current consensus.
Even worse, however, is that according to the latest PIPS2 (Pontificating International Pseudo-Scientist) measurements of credibility mass, so far this June’s shrinkage is the worst on record. Which is really unfortunate news for men of a certain age as the consensus view is that these effects are also irreversible.

Gary
June 15, 2010 8:29 pm

Luke, the ice is melting …. because of the Force …. I am your father …. Luke, pay attention!

rbateman
June 15, 2010 8:35 pm

They’ve been caught trying to peddle an information Ponzi Scheme, and now they are trying to put lipstick on their Bernie Madeoff image.
Suddenly, the little cups of Kool-Aid don’t sound so hot.

E O'Connor
June 15, 2010 8:35 pm

I wonder if anyone turns up to the gathering in a penguin suit.

Betapug
June 15, 2010 9:08 pm

It’s worse than we thought!

James Sexton
June 15, 2010 9:11 pm

lol, damned drunk….instead of “We sure sowed them!!” Should read, “We sure showed them!!”

P.G. Sharrow
June 15, 2010 9:26 pm

“You can fool most of the people some of the time”
“Time is up” pg

D. King
June 15, 2010 9:30 pm

“Some of Australia’s top scientists are gathering in Sydney today trying to work out how to “shift public attitudes” on climate change.”
“The closed door meeting is being attended by Australia’s Chief Scientist as well as representatives from the CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology…”
Sneaky closed door meetings… that’ll shift attitudes.

P.G. Sharrow
June 15, 2010 9:36 pm

Pamela Grey: you reminded me of the winter we got trapped in a very small town in Prince William Sound. Alaska. Had to live on rock prawns, halibut and king crab. It was kind of nice when breakup came and we could go to the city and get junk food. 😉

pat
June 15, 2010 9:49 pm

remember the butterfly “story” the media loved and which was ‘associated’ with australia’s david karoly? read the extracts:
Herald Sun: Andrew Bolt: Butterfly broken
The Age was very excited in March by the latest research of climate alarmist David Karoly….
In fact, the study that so pleased The Age was so dodgy that some PhD student, Marc Hendrix, now comes along and blows it to pieces with a quick letter that the Royal Society considers so convincing that it’s obliged to publish. The main charge is cherry picking. Some extracts: ….
of course, the correction will receive none of media publicity that Karoly’s original scare did.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/butterfly_broken/