Under the Volcano, Over the Volcano

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

In 2006, I lived for a year in Waimea, on the Big Island of Hawaii. From my house I could see the Mauna Loa Observatory (MLO). This observatory is the home of the longest continuous series of CO2 measurements we have. The recording station was set up by Dave Keeling in 1959, and has operated continuously ever since.

Figure 1. Mauna Loa Observatory ( 19.536337°N, 155.576248°W)

Here’s a view of the observatory:

Every time the subject of CO2 measurements comes up, people raise all kinds of objections to the Mauna Loa measurements. So I thought I’d start a thread where we can discuss those objections, and perhaps dispose of some of them.

Here are the objections that I hear the most:

1. The Mauna Loa results don’t measure the background CO2 levels.

2. You can’t get accurate CO2 measurements from samples taken on the side of an active volcano that is outgassing CO2.

3. The measurements from Mauna Loa are not representative of the rest of the world.

4. What about the Beck data, doesn’t it contradict the MLO data?

5. Keeling chose a bad location.

Before we get into those issues, let’s start by looking at the local meteorological conditions at the site. Mauna Loa is at an elevation of 3397 metres (11,140 ft) on the side of a 4,170 metre (13,680 ft) volcano way out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Because it is on an island, it gets the “sea breeze” in the daytime, and the “land breeze” in the nighttime.

These winds are caused by the differential heating of the land and the sea. Land heats up much faster than the ocean. So during the day, the warmer land heats the air, which rises. This rising air is replaced by air moving in from the surrounding ocean, creating the “sea breeze”.

At night, the situation is reversed. The land is cooler than the ocean. This cools the air. The cool air runs downhill along the slopes of the island and out to sea, creating the “land breeze”. Here’s a drawing of the situation:

Figure 2. Day and night breezes at Mauna Loa.

Now that we understand what is happening at Mauna Loa, let’s look at the objections.

1. The Mauna Loa results don’t measure the background CO2 levels. As you might imagine from Fig. 2, the CO2 measurements are taken only at night. Thus, they are measuring descending air that is coming from thousands of feet aloft. This air has traveled across half of the Pacific Ocean, so it is far from any man-made CO2 sources. And as a result, it is very representative of the global background CO2 levels. That’s why Keeling chose the site.

2. You can’t get accurate CO2 measurements from samples taken on the side of an active volcano that is outgassing CO2. This seems like an insuperable objection. I mean, Mauna Loa is in fact an active volcano that is outgassing CO2. How do they avoid that?

The answer lies in the fact that the volcanic gasses are very rich in CO2. At night, they are trapped in a thin layer near the ground by a temperature inversion.

To detect the difference between volcanic and background CO2, the measurements are taken simultaneously from tall towers and from near the ground, at intervals throughout the night. Background CO2 levels will be around 380 ppmv (these days), will be steady, and will be identical at the top and bottom of the towers. Volcanic gasses, on the other hand, will be well above 380 ppmv, will be variable, and will be greater near the ground than at the top of the towers.

This allows the scientists to distinguish reliably between volcanic and background CO2 levels. Here is a description of the process:

Air samples at Mauna Loa are collected continuously from air intakes at the top of four 7-m towers and one 27-m tower. Four air samples are collected each hour for the purpose of determining the CO2 concentration. Determinations of CO2 are made by using a Siemens Ultramat 3 nondispersive infrared gas analyzer with a water vapor freeze trap. This analyzer registers the concentration of CO2 in a stream of air flowing at ~0.5 L/min. Every 30 minutes, the flow is replaced by a stream of calibrating gas or “working reference gas”. In December 1983, CO2-in-N2 calibration gases were replaced with the currently used CO2-in-air calibration gases. These calibration gases and other reference gases are compared periodically to determine the instrument sensitivity and to check for possible contamination in the air-handling system. These reference gases are themselves calibrated against specific standard gases whose CO2 concentrations are determined manometrically. Greater details about the sampling methods at Mauna Loa are given in Keeling et al. (1982) and Keeling et al. (2002).

Hourly averages of atmospheric CO2 concentration, wind speed, and wind direction are plotted as a basis for selecting data for further processing. Data are selected for periods of steady hourly data to within ~0.5 parts per million by volume (ppmv); at least six consecutive hours of steady data are required to form a daily average. Greater details about the data selection criteria used at Mauna Loa are given in Bacastow et al. (1985). Data are in terms of the Scripps “03A” calibration scale.

There is a more detailed description of the measurement and selection process here.

As a result, the Mauna Loa record does accurately measure the background CO2 levels, despite the fact that it is on an active volcano. The samples that are identified as volcanic CO2 are not thrown away, however. They are used for analyses of the volcanic emission rates, such as this one (pdf).

3. The measurements from Mauna Loa are not representative of the rest of the world. Well, yes and no. The concentration of atmospheric CO2 varies by month, and also by latitude. Here is a “carpet diagram” of the changes by time and latitude.

Figure 3. A “carpet diagram” of CO2 distributions, by time and latitude.

Note that the swings are much greater in the Northern Hemisphere. Presumably, this is from the plants in the much larger land area of the Northern Hemisphere. However, the difference between the annual average of the Northern and Southern Hemispheres is small. In addition, there are smaller daily variations around the planet. An animation of these is visible here, with day by day variations available here.

Figure 4 shows is a typical day’s variations, picked at random:

Figure 4. Snapshot of the variations in tropospheric CO2. Note that the range is small, about ±1% of the average value.

In general, the different global records match quite closely. In addition to the Mauna Loa observatory, NOAA maintains CO2 measuring stations at Barrow, Alaska; American Samoa; and the South Pole. Here is a comparison of the four records (along with two methane records):

Figure 5. Comparison of the CO2 records from the four NOAA measuring sites.

As you can see, there is very little difference between the CO2 measurements at the four stations – two in the Northern Hemisphere, two in the Southern, two tropical, and two polar.

4. What about the Beck data, doesn’t it contradict the MLO data? In 2007, Ernst-Georg Beck published a paper called “180 Years Of Atmospheric CO2 Gas Analysis by Chemical Methods” (pdf).  In it, he showed a variety of results from earlier analyses of the atmospheric CO2. In general, these were larger than either the ice core or the MLO data. So why don’t I believe them?

I do believe them … with a caveat. I think that the Beck data is accurate, but that it is not measuring the background CO2. CO2 measurements need to be done very carefully, in selected locations, to avoid contamination from a host of natural CO2 sources. These sources include industry, automobiles, fires, soil, plants, the list is long. To illustrate the problems, I have graphed the Beck data from his Figure 13, against the Law Dome ice core data and the MLO data.

Figure 6. CO2 data from a variety of sources. White crosses are MLO data. Three separate ice core records are shown. Photo is of Mauna Loa dusted with snow (yes, it snows in Hawaii.) PHOTO SOURCE

There are several things to note about this graph. First, there is good agreement between the Law Dome ice core data and the MLO data over the ~ two decade overlap. Second, there is good agreement between the three separate Law Dome ice core datasets. Third, both the ice cores and the MLO data do not vary much from year to year.

Now look at the various datasets cited by Beck. Many of them vary quite widely from one year to the next. The different datasets show very different values for either the same year or for nearby years. And they differ greatly from both the ice core and the MLO data.

Because of this, I conclude that the Beck data, while valuable for showing ground level CO2 variations at individual locations, do not reflect the background CO2 level of the planet. As such, they cannot be compared to the MLO data, to the ice core data, or to each other.

5. Keeling chose a bad location. I would say that Keeling picked a very good location. It not only allows us to measure the background CO2 in a very accurate manner, it provides invaluable information about the amount of CO2 coming from the volcano.

My conclusion? Most of the records in the field of climate science are short, spotty, and not very accurate. We have little global historical information on ocean temperatures, on land temperatures, on relative humidity, on atmospheric temperatures, on hurricane occurrence and strength, or on a host of other variables. By contrast, the Mauna Loa CO2 records are complete since 1959, are very accurate, and are verified by measurements in several other locations.

I’m about as skeptical as anyone I know. But I think that the Mauna Loa CO2 measurements are arguably the best dataset in the field of climate science. I wouldn’t waste time fighting to disprove them, there are lots of other datasets that deserve closer scrutiny.

[UPDATE] A reader below has added another question, viz:

6. What about Jaworoski’s claim that the ice core data has had its age “adjusted”?

Jaworoski argues that the age of the air in the ice cores has been “adjusted” to make it align with the modern data. He says, for example, that the Siple ice core data has been moved forwards exactly 83 years to make them match the Mauna Loa data.

Dating the ice core data is problematic. We can date the ice itself pretty accurately, through counting layers (like tree rings) and through studying various substances such as volcanic dust that is trapped in the ice. However, dating the air is harder.

The difficulty is that the air is not trapped in the ice immediately. The pores in the “firn”, the snow that falls annually on top of the ice are open. Air can flow in and out.

As more and more snow falls over the years, at some point the pores close off and the air is trapped. So how long does it take for the pores in the firn to seal off?

Unfortunately, as in so many areas of climate science, the answer is … “depends”. It depends inter alia on how much snow falls every year, how much of that snow sublimates (changes from a solid to a gas) every year, and even the shape and size of the individual snowflakes.

The end result of all of this is that we end up with two ages for any given thin slice of an ice core. These are the “ice age” (how old the ice itself is), and the “air age” (how old the air trapped in the ice is). The ice is always older than the air.

The main variable in that is thought to be the annual snowfall. Unfortunately, while we know the current rate of annual snowfall, we don’t know the historical rate, particularly tens of thousands of years ago. So we use the concentration of an isotope of oxygen called “d18O” to estimate the historical snowfall rate, and thence the firn closing rate, and from that the air age.

Sounds a bit sketchy? Well … it is, particularly as we go way back. However, for recent data, it is much more accurate.

So to bring this back to real data, in the ice core data I showed in Fig. 5, the air is calculated to be 30 years younger than the ice for cores DEO8 and DEO8-2, and 58 years younger for the DSS core. Is this correct? I don’t know, but I do know that there are sound scientific reasons for the “adjustment” that Jaworowski objects to .

Finally, the existence of a thirty to sixty year difference in air and ice age doesn’t make much difference in the pre-industrial levels of CO2. This is because prior to about 1800, the level is basically flat, so an error in the air age dating doesn’t change the CO2 values in any significant manner.

FURTHER INFORMATION:

MLO Home Page

MLO Data Links

Greenhouse Gas & Carbon Cycle Research Programs

Trends in Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide

MLO Webcams

How we measure background CO2 levels on Mauna Loa

5 1 vote
Article Rating

Discover more from Watts Up With That?

Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.

263 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
HankHenry
June 5, 2010 8:02 pm

Dr Bill, Thank you for your remarks.
Of course I study these topics with great interest.
I assume that whole molecule processes such as molecular resonance are just as capable of absorbing and radiating photons as electrons boosting and deboosting from energy states within an atom. Correct me if I misapprehend.
The question I am really wondering about is whether CO2 concentrations in the lower atmosphere aren’t just as important to the greenhouse effect as those CO2 molecules in the upper atmosphere. Someone seems to be arguing that because the atmosphere is opaque to longwave radiation the concentrations of CO2 in the lower atmosphere can be disregarded. I want to say that while upper atmosphere CO2 molecules radiate energy to space, lower atmosphere CO2 molecules radiate energy exactly as upper atmosphere CO2 molecules do, and that the energy they radiate is to upper atmosphere CO2 molecules (presumably for subsequent radiation to space). In other words just because a substance is opaque to radiation does not mean that energy does not radiate through the substance molecule by molecule.

June 5, 2010 8:06 pm

dr.bill says:
June 5, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Phil.: June 5, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Your statement that absorption is very rapid for CO2 is rather puzzling. CO2 is no different than any other molecule. If it happens to be hit by photons that it can absorb, then it will do so, and in very short order, as with any other molecule, but it doesn’t ‘reach out and grab them’.

In contrast to the emission time for CO2
If you calculate the mean time between collisions for a CO2 molecule at sea-level and 20°C, it comes out to about 0.4nsec. This would certainly give it lots of chances to collide with another molecule before an excited electron could drop back spontaneously (which generally takes 5 to 10nsec).
Emission time of vibrationally excited CO2 is orders of magnitude longer than that.
The only outcome I would expect from such a collision, however, is that the electron would be stimulated to drop back immediately, thus restoring the molecule to its former state. I don’t see at all how it would change the speed of the molecule any more than would be the case of non-excited molecules bumping into each other ‘business as usual’.
You’ve forgotten about the other partners in the collisions, they gain in kinetic energy from the collisions, that’s how IR radiation from the Earth heats up the atmosphere.

dr.bill
June 5, 2010 8:19 pm

HankHenry: June 5, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Dr Bill, Thank you for your remarks.
Of course I study these topics with great interest.
I assume that whole molecule processes such as molecular resonance are just as capable of absorbing and radiating photons as electrons boosting and deboosting from energy states within an atom. Correct me if I misapprehend.
The question I am really wondering about is whether CO2 concentrations in the lower atmosphere aren’t just as important to the greenhouse effect as those CO2 molecules in the upper atmosphere. Someone seems to be arguing that because the atmosphere is opaque to longwave radiation the concentrations of CO2 in the lower atmosphere can be disregarded. I want to say that while upper atmosphere CO2 molecules radiate energy to space, lower atmosphere CO2 molecules radiate energy exactly as upper atmosphere CO2 molecules do, and that the energy they radiate is to upper atmosphere CO2 molecules (presumably for subsequent radiation to space). In other words just because a substance is opaque to radiation does not mean that energy does not radiate through the substance molecule by molecule.

Hi Hank. I would say that you are perfectly correct in your interpretation of all of that. The non-translational modes behave in much the same way as electron transitions. The principal difference is that they can store energy in a fairly permanent way (heat capacity effects), whereas the electron processes are always ephemeral. Your description of the lower tropospheric effects is also valid. There’s a lot of back-and-forth-ing until something like an equilibrium (or at least a saturation) is achieved, and it all eventually leads to the final dumping of energy to space at higher altitudes.
/dr.bill

cicero
June 5, 2010 8:20 pm

When I look at the measured CO2 concentration plots, I see basically a straight line increase of about 0.5% per year that seasonally oscillates (like clockwork). No anomalies that I can see.
However, based on Federal Reserve data, US industrial output has increased from 1975 to its peak in 2008 by 300%. According to the FHWA, US vehicle-miles-traveled has more than doubled since 1983. I think it’s safe to assume that developing nations, China, India, etc have increased their carbon emissions at equal to or greater rates than the US.
If human-produced CO2 is the sole source for measured increases in atmospheric concentrations, shouldn’t one expect a visible correlation? The measured CO2 increases show slow, uniform, straight-line growth while human CO2 output has been presumably increasing by orders of magnitude… I’d like to see any compelling research showing a relationship between human-produced CO2 and measured atmospheric concentrations.

Pamela Gray
June 5, 2010 8:35 pm

Willis, if a % or two difference between concentrations is no big deal as you say and can be ignored, why the worry over a % or two rise in ppm, and especially the incredibly small % rise when in context of the total make up of the atmosphere? If the former is no big deal, why is the latter?

wayne
June 5, 2010 9:06 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
June 5, 2010 at 11:52 am
wayne says:
June 5, 2010 at 3:23 am
Willis, you should have included some different aspects.
Well, I had discovered some truly remarkable aspects which the margin of this blog post is too small to contain …
[… quoting me]
Seriously, I can only cover so much. I wanted to keep it focused on the validity of the CO2 record, and not wander afield into the reasons for the swings in the record.

– – – –
Willis, I know you can’t include it all. I wasn’t very clear, my reference to you was that you didn’t dive into the scientific logic behind how Mauna Loa, and most other co2 monitoring stations around the world, actually measure the co2, not on Dr. Dyson, that was a separate thing I though other might like to read. If we are to trust Mauna Loa’s measurements, we must trust all paths.
I spent a couple of weeks back near December investigating this track on co2 measurements and it left me with some doubts simply because I couldn’t find the exact answers.
One big question I never found answer to was which “standard gas” do they compare the standard gas being manufactured to?
From that question on I just got circular questions.
Sometimes I am too suspicious, but without proof that I can accept I will carry these questions around, possibly for a long time.
By the way, thanks for the effort, it is noted by many!

old construction worker
June 5, 2010 9:24 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
June 5, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Thank you for you answer.

anna v
June 5, 2010 9:27 pm

Malcolm Miller says:
June 5, 2010 at 3:21 pm

I cannot understand why there is no mention of the Australian staion for the analysis of atmospheric gases – not only carbon doioxide – at Cape Grim in Tasmania. This facility has been operating for years. It is nowehere near any volcano, but it is in the track of the ‘Roaring Forties’ which cross thousands of miles of ocean before reaching Cape Grim, and blow ceaslessly around the world in this latitude, ensuring perfect mixing and no trace of industrial or volcanic pollution.

Here is a link :
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/csiro/csiro-cgrim.html
Notably:
Trends
These measurements indicate a rise in annual average atmospheric CO2 concentrations, from 354.07 parts per million by volume (ppmv) in 1992 to 378.50 ppmv in 2006, or an increase of almost 1.75 ppmv per year, on average.

Which explains why in the school of CO2 they are not using anomalies, a question I wanted to ask, since even thought the initial value is high, the anomaly is similar to that measured by the Keeling lot.
The answer is: the scare factor would disappear it it could be seen that the base varies much more than the predicted CO2 increases by IPCC.

June 5, 2010 9:40 pm

kuhnkat says:
June 5, 2010 at 7:32 pm

Willis, a couple of questions, the data out of spec is not used to average. Why would there be over 20 days lost in one month. How can we know that there are enough readings in a month to make a decent guess at the average.

Are you referring to the disk crash referenced in http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/06/post-mortem-on-the-mauna-loa-co2-data-eruption/ ?
If so, the answer is “The disk crashed.” Tans describes how he handles that. It’s not like the changes within a month are greater than the seasonal changes over a year.

anna v
June 5, 2010 9:47 pm

please ignore my rash comment above:
Which explains why in the school of CO2 they are not using anomalies, a question I wanted to ask, since even thought the initial value is high, the anomaly is similar to that measured by the Keeling lot.
The answer is: the scare factor would disappear it it could be seen that the base varies much more than the predicted CO2 increases by IPCC.

It ends in 2006 and the values are in the chorus.

anna v
June 5, 2010 10:06 pm

HankHenry says:
June 5, 2010 at 8:02 pm

The question I am really wondering about is whether CO2 concentrations in the lower atmosphere aren’t just as important to the greenhouse effect as those CO2 molecules in the upper atmosphere.

I will never tire saying “it is the energy”
The actual number of CO2 molecules as far as energy storage/transfer goes is extremely important. Energy does not come in parts per million. Those presumed 3.9 watts/m^2 the CO2 molecules are “carrying” in total as a greenhouse contributio , depends on the total number of CO2 molecules in the atmosphere, and it is a truism that the closer to the ground the ppm’s represent exponentially more molecules .

Bart
June 5, 2010 10:22 pm

Jbar says:
June 5, 2010 at 6:10 pm
“The very first lesson in chemical engineering 101 is the “mass balance”. It is:
In – Out = Accumulation”

And, the very first lesson in fundamental logic is that process of elimination does not work in an open system, i.e., if you do not have an absolute certainty of all the in/out components. Any climate researchers who claim such omniscience are talking through their hats.
Sorry, Will, if that violates your desire to keep a narrow focus, but poor logic like that cannot go unanswered. Overall, I don’t have much of an objection to the proposition that average CO2 concentration at the sites where it is measured has been increasing, though I think we’ve seen enough tomfoolery with the temperature data to maintain a modicum of wariness about it.

Bart
June 5, 2010 10:25 pm

A quick note on the previous: if the climate researchers so disposed did know all the sources and sinks, they would know where the supposed other half of the anthropogenically generated CO2 went.

Tony
June 5, 2010 11:11 pm

Willis, in response to Pamela Gray you say:
“The AIRs data demonstrated that …… the variations [of CO2] in the troposphere are on the order of a percent, maybe two. That is well mixed in anyone’s book.”
2 % = 20,000 ppm
And yet, Keeling claims to detect a rise of +1.98 ppm/year?
This comes out at ~ 2/20,000 = 0.01% of the natural variation to be found in the ‘well-mixed’ troposphere?
And in response to Wayne’s question on the reference gas, I too looked into the reference gas question, as I was worried that such things as oxidation of the inner surface of the pressure flasks could cause long-term changes in the composition, and hence throw the calibration. I know it s a small thing, but we are looking at a measurement of within 1 in a million over a year, which is very very tiny indeed.
And, there was a mention of a change in the type of flask. Also, I saw that the sole source of the flasks of calibration gas for all stations, and for the analysis of all sample-flasks for outlying stations, was Keeling’s lab.

fred
June 5, 2010 11:34 pm

Willis, thank you for this informative post. These factss about Mauna Loa and other CO2 records are well known in the science literature, but it is good to see them presented so clearly to a wider audience.

Climate Kate
June 5, 2010 11:48 pm

Dear Willis,
thank you for this outstanding article.
Looking at the yearly increase, I found out that this seems to be influenced by ENSO (higher in warm years after strong El Ninos like 76/77 (=> 77 high), 82/83, 86/87, and 97/98 (so 2010 should be high in the end), lower after strong La Ninas: 73/74 (=> 74 low), 75/76, 98/99. It doesn’t fit for 91/92, but 92 was cold inspite of El Nino because of the Pinatubo eruption. With high and low I mean compared to the years around.
Partly the start years of El Nino are also high, might depend if there was a La Nina before or not. Perhaps there would be a better correlation with other 12 months periods than Jan – Dec. And of course there are other influences like breakdown of eastern Europe industry in 1989.
ENSO diagram to compare the data: http://ggweather.com/enso/oni.htm
Does anybody have an eplanation for this? Or does this correlation only exist in my brain?
Annual increase in ppm, data are from http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
1959 0.95
1960 0.51
1961 0.95
1962 0.69
1963 0.73
1964 0.29
1965 0.98
1966 1.23
1967 0.75
1968 1.02
1969 1.34
1970 1.02
1971 0.82
1972 1.76
1973 1.18
1974 0.78
1975 1.10
1976 0.92
1977 2.09
1978 1.31
1979 1.68
1980 1.80
1981 1.43
1982 0.72
1983 2.16
1984 1.37
1985 1.24
1986 1.51
1987 2.33
1988 2.09
1989 1.27
1990 1.31
1991 1.02
1992 0.43
1993 1.35
1994 1.90
1995 1.98
1996 1.19
1997 1.96
1998 2.93
1999 0.94
2000 1.74
2001 1.59
2002 2.56
2003 2.29
2004 1.55
2005 2.53
2006 1.71
2007 2.17
2008 1.66
2009 1.97

Steven mosher
June 6, 2010 12:12 am

KuhnKat
“CO2 in the Strat really doesn’t matter to heating the earth etc.”
Wrong. I’ve told you this before.
“Among other things, the new studies showed that in the frigid and rarified upper atmosphere where the crucial infrared absorption takes place, the nature of the absorption is different from what scientists had assumed from the old sea-level measurements. Take a single molecule of CO2 or H2O. It will absorb light only in a set of specific wavelengths, which show up as thin dark lines in a spectrum. In a gas at sea-level temperature and pressure, the countless molecules colliding with one another at different velocities each absorb at slightly different wavelengths, so the lines are broadened and overlap to a considerable extent. Even at sea level pressure, the absorption is concentrated into discrete spikes, but the gaps between the spikes are fairly narrow and the “valleys” between the spikes are not terribly deep. (see Part II) None of this was known a century ago. With the primitive infrared instruments available in the early 20th century, scientists saw the absorption smeared out into wide bands. And they had no theory to suggest anything different.
Measurements done for the US Air Force drew scientists’ attention to the details of the absorption, and especially at high altitudes. At low pressure the spikes become much more sharply defined, like a picket fence. There are gaps between the H2O lines where radiation can get through unless blocked by CO2 lines. Moreover, researchers had become acutely aware of how very dry the air gets at upper altitudes — indeed the stratosphere has scarcely any water vapor at all. By contrast, CO2 is well mixed all through the atmosphere, so as you look higher it becomes relatively more significant.”

Richard S Courtney
June 6, 2010 12:57 am

Editor:
I agreed to Willis’ request to discuss the possible causes of the recent rise of atmospheric CO2 concentration “on another thread”. However, there remains a steady stream of postings that present nonsensical assertions that the cause is known to be anthropogenic.
It is clearly biased to allow the posting of twaddle that asserts the cause of the recent rise is anthropogenic when it is ruled that scientific evidence and argument about the cause are ruled as being “off topic”.
I am offended that my presentation of facts is considered improper when subsequent illogical and ignorant nonsense concerning the same subject is considered acceptable. Below I copy one of several examples of the illogical and ignorant nonsense that has been posted after the facts were ruled ‘off topic’.
Richard
*************
Phil. says:
June 5, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Dr A Burns says:
June 5, 2010 at 4:15 pm
“I think that Mauna Loa CO2 measurements are valid. However, I haven’t seen any evidence that man is responsible for the increase. Given that the fossil fuel derived percentage of atmospheric CO2, is estimated at 1-4%, is seems doubtful that burning fossil fuels is the cause of the increase.”
Since the measured annual accumulation in the atmosphere is about half the amount released into the atmosphere by fossil fuel combustion it’s impossible for it to be otherwise!