Whoo boy. It must be rough out there when CSIRO has to have seminars on how to deal with us rowdy ruffian “deniers”. I’m surprised though, a 15 million budget, and they ask you to bring a sack lunch?
Here’s the text, PDF follows:
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DSE invites members of the Victorian Public Service to a presentation on:
Dealing with climate change denialism with Paul Holper, CSIRO
Popular opinion on climate change often waivers, particularly when the media focus on denialist views and encourage “debates” with climate change scientists.
The Victorian Government, along with other governments in Australia and across the world, rely on the scientific community for advice on climate change and its likely impacts.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is recognised as the international authority on climate change science and denialist views often lack rigor and credibility in comparison.
Paul Holper (CSIRO) will present on ways to approach climate change denialism in a Victorian context.
To register for this event please email: climate.change@dse.vic.gov.au by Friday 11 June 2010
Friday 18 June 2010, 12:00 pm – 1:30 pm (includes question time)
Treasury Theatre, Lower Plaza
1 Macarthur Street, East Melbourne
BYO lunch!
Paul Holper
Paul manages the CSIRO’s involvement in the Australian Climate Change Science Program, a $15 million program supported by the Commonwealth Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency. This program undertakes observations of the atmosphere, oceans and terrestrial systems, as well as climate model development, and projections of Australia’s likely future climate. Paul coordinated the most recent climate change projections for Australia (based on IPCC models), announced by BoM and CSIRO in 2007.
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Here’s the PDF of the poster for this event:
Thanks to David Archibald for the tip.
I can’t see them getting the climate change genie back in the bottle, I can see them sloping off on the back of the economic downturn – never getting to the bottom of the story and coming up with another scam a couple of years from now. Expect them to have new powers to halt blogs next time around – probably on the back of anti-terror legislation.
Does the CSIRO logo show Australia behind bars?
http://www.csiro.au/
Hmmmm… Sure seems like it.
As a person born and raised in Victoria (Sandringham), a grad of U of Melbourne (civil engineering), an Australian and a Canadian citizen, resident of Canada, currently in Malaysia, I feel uniquely qualified to comment on this.
This is complete crap – the socialists have been in power so long that they have lost touch with reality.
“Denialists”? What about answering our questions? What about a bit of reality?
Fortunately they will be preaching to the converted who know far less about what’s going on than the average “denialist”.
This is something that Goebbels or Stalin might have come up with.
It is difficult to quantify my contempt for these people.
“The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is recognised as the international authority on climate change science and denialist views often lack rigor and credibility in comparison.”
I had to stop reading after this statement. Failure to see the IPCC for what is really is shows Paul Holper, et al, to be the real deniers.
It is interesting that the first thing the fear mongers do is to insult the people they claim to wish to speak with.
This is all you need to know…
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Paul Holper
Paul manages the CSIRO’s involvement in the Australian Climate Change Science Program, a $15 million program supported by the Commonwealth Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency.
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In other words, “Please don’t listen to those climate denialists, as I need to protect my $15 million in climate ca$h!!”
juanslayton
Too right! Bureaucrats can’t spell and know no grammar. At least, that’s the case in Australia.
I was wondering what the 408 bureaucrats in the Department of Climate Change are doing in their brand spanking new office block now that Prime Minister Krudd has delayed acting on (read “dumped”) the “Greatest moral imperative of our time” that it would be “political cowardice of the highest order” and “display a lack of moral leadership” to delay.
Now I know. They pay $15 million a year to Joseph Goebels’ successor to preach to the captive converted in Victoria. Then they spend the rest of the year talking about who will be the next recipient of their largesse with our money.
Makes me want to puke.
People are more sheep-like than sheep, and more lemming-like than lemmings. (Usually!)
Next time you’re fed up with being sheered, the next time you think about running in panic and heading for a cliff overlooking the sea, vote for another idiot to represent you in the caverns of government – the warrenty on politicians is only good for 5 minutes, so why do we keep electing the same ones over and over?
The reason politicians think they can get away with highway robbery and murder is because they can – the sheep and lemmings say nothing – so why not have fun. Sheep and lemmings never, ever, ‘really’ complain. They’re such stupid little things. Really! They are.
Politics is a constant, even in science. It’s like the air we breath, or gravity. It’s everywhere.
Our biggest mistake in science is that we use snap shot in time science. Day to day, minute by minute snap shots of readings, history, events, science, etc. All individualized into categories with very little interaction overlap.
Many us and them mindsets have created much disputing and a great deal of mistrust. Our social structure will fail as greed and corruption for monetary gain or social status is a balancing act.
Our food supplies rely on dependable weather that we think we can forcast and when that fails, unrest and civil disobedience will fall apart.
We think we know how the climate works but it incorrect to what this planet has accomplished and achieved. Time travel, demonsional shifts, fiction are our crutches that have no place in science.
Science is a joke of pick and choose the outcome and not follow the pathes that actual science has taken.
I guess the thing that amazes is the rather simple way in which this all began. Two things go up, therefor it must be cause and effect. And then people with all kinds of degrees or not, from the whacky to the university professor, believed it. Worse, there are people who still believe it and are willing to stake their careers on it. Even people who live on our West coast believe it, which boggles the mind the most.
I just want to know one thing aboutt his program:
Are guns involved?
Suggested Seminar Agenda:
1. Stop calling our critics “deniers.”
2. Freeing the data and the code so they will have less to complain about.
3. Learning how to be nice to people who disagree with you.
4. Stop calling our critics “deniers.” This is really important and so hard to do.
5. Responding to FOIA requests openly and honestly.
6. Conflict of interest: cleaning up the way we do business.
7. Stop calling our critics “deniers.” Yeah, it’s hard, but it really makes us look foolish.
8. Psychological projection: the unwitting act of ascribing your own faults to others.
9. Confirmation bias: “There are none so blind as those who will not see.”
10. Circling the tribal wagons – a guest lecture by Judith Curry
How about a conference on dealing with climate change alarmists….these guys just don’t get it….it’s over..
Ian
This is circular and wrong in so many ways.
Sort of like — pay more in taxes, so scientists paid for with government grants, can pretend to control the weather.
RichieP says:
May 27, 2010 at 1:05 am
The UK Met Office is back on the attack too:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/7767998/Met-Office-predicts-a-return-of-the-summer-of-1976.html
“In a report published yesterday, meteorologists said extreme droughts will be ten times more likely from 2100 because of climate change. ”
I thought the Met Office had abandoned long range forecasts as they kept getting them spectacularly wrong but I guess this is so far ahead that I’ll be dead by then so won’t be able to point the finger at them when they get it wrong. It’s so easy to “predict” something in 90 years time, isn’t it?
My hopes were up before I read the article as I thought I’d get a chance to swim in our pool this summer. I didn’t go in it once last summer and possibly only twice the year before. The kids are a bit hardier than me but I don’t think they went in much more than I did.
I’ll keep an eye out for a similar seminar here in the UK. There are so many seminars organised for local government here that if you were of a mind you could attend one every day of the year. I hope the new coalition will put a stop to this sort of hanging on to the Government’s coat tails and save a few bob in the process. I’m fed up with seeing the sort of indictrination that occurred during “New” Labour’s 13 year grip on this country. Thank goodness ID cards and the Child Register are going to be scrapped. Time to smash some of those CCTV cameras and stop us being the most watched (free?) country in the world.
Someone needs to contact Monckton and ask that he attend!
Orkneygal and Michael Lewis on CSIRO Coastal Survey. I started answering the survey questions but stopped when I realised that they were so loaded towards giving the Rudd Government a further excuse to waste ever-increasing billions on the AGW scam led by the hapless Penny Wong and former Australian (Alarmist) of the Year, Professor Tim Flannery. Sadly, I am old enough to remember when the CSIRO stood for real science and innovation and their scientists had an enviable reputation world-wide for truth and integrity. They are now just a puppet of their political masters.
I think it is about time us Denialists bit the bullet?
At the end of the second world war German citizens were lined up and marched through the concentration camps to show the horrors fascism created. This assisted to a large extent in the German people coming to terms with the horrors of the Holocaust.
The alarmists could line up all us Denialists and take us to areas of the world to show the effects of man made global warming, easy really, I await my invite but won’t hold my breath.
Orkneygal says:
May 27, 2010 at 3:35 am
http://www.cse.csiro.au/forms/form-survey-sea-level.aspx
Thanks for the link – I filled in this obviously biased survey – it’s more like a petition to justify their jobs. It does show their hand a bit regarding the scheme to have coastal property owners relinquish their land as sea levels rise. What a power grab! I made the comment in the survey that the property owners should also get the right to extra land if/when sea levels dropped.
Deaf ears, methinks.
MikeA says:
May 27, 2010 at 2:46 am
Well, that is debatable, but not reprehensible. To stifle any dissent by teaching people how to deal [negatively] with anyone who disagrees with you is not your duty, however. That is indoctrination.
Here is something how I envision their little “Seminar” as going:
“Dealing with climate change denialism”
Problem:
SkepticismDenialism is on the rise.Solution: Continue with the usual tactics, but with heightened urgency. “No more Mr. Nice Guy”. Re-double the ad hominem attacks, smears, and straw man arguments. Always remember the immortal words of Stephen Schneider: “We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”
Remember, the Public are dumb, and easily led; almost child-like, in fact. Show them how easy, painless, and even fun fighting climate change can be. We can do this, people. It’s not rocket science. We simply must try harder! We are talking about our
JobsPlanet’s future here! Thank you, you’ve been great. There’s plenty ofklimate kool-aidpunch in the back, and before we open our bag lunches, please join me in the following prayer;“Our Consensus, which art in…”
I just filled out the CRISO’s coastal survey. Ah the irony! As I’m just about to move down to the coast, so I gave them a rather large serve while I was at it. My final comments were that I thought the survey was a sly way of implementing the global to local processes of Agenda 21.
I can only but hang my head in shame that i live in Victoria!!
I took that survey, too. Here’s an example question (to which you were to mark a series of buttons ranging from Strongly Disagree to Strongly Agree:
“Homeowners should be compensated if their property is acquired by the government due to sea level rise”
I’m trying to wrap my mind around that one. Are they saying the government can just step in and acquire your property if the sea level rises (i.e., it becomes part of the ocean shelf and you abrogate any ownership?) Wow… how bizarre is that?
Time they need a pep talk? Can they hit the road on bicycles in pairs and spread the Dogma?
What are the consequences if the evangelism fails?
Pamela Gray
“So they are having a seminar on how to talk to folks who don’t believe. What do they call that? Can’t remember. Apologetics? No. Hermeneutics? That’s not it. Exegetics? No.”
Pamela, maybe your first thought–‘apologetics’–was best. ‘Evangelism’ targets the uninformed; ‘apologetics’ targets the unconvinced. See also ‘escatology.’ : < )
But I suspect the syllabus involves something less benevolent. 'Excommunication' comes to mind….