Climate Craziness of the Week: Denmark evicting citizens to clear cut forests for wind turbines

I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t read this message of a Danish group opposed to the plan. Greens clear-cutting trees in a national park and evicting people, whoda thunk?. Seems like a case of “we had to destroy the village to save it“. Here’s the description of the park from the Danish National Parks website:

The west of Thy has been designated as the first Danish national park. The National Park, Thy stretches for an up to 12-kilometer-wide belt along the Jutland west coast from Agger Tange in the south to Hanstholm in the north. It is an enormous and unspoiled natural area totaling 244 km2 – almost the size of the Danish island of Langeland. In the National Park you can go between outstretched, wind-swept wilds and aromatic pine trees. You can also throw yourself into the sparkling waves of the North Sea or bike through cool dune plantations.

I’ve reposted the message from the opposition group below.

Dear environmentally aware citizen of the world!                                   www.nationalttestcenter.dk

Copenhagen, December 2009

The Danish government plans to clear forests and destroy unique nature for the benefit of industry.

The Danish environment minister Troels Lund Poulsen decided, on behalf of the government, on 30th September 2009, that the clearing of 15 km2 of forest in the north west of Denmark will take place. A test centre for the development of offshore windmills is planned to take up 30 km2 of land in the Thy region, near Østerild. This deforestation will create an increase of 400,000 tonnes of CO2 emission, the equivalent of the CO2 emission of 100,000 people per year.

The government will force the local population out of their homes. The reasoning behind this is said to be for the benefit of the Danish windmill industry, which will in turn create more Danish jobs. The regulations to finalise the evictions goes against Denmark’s constitution and is therefore clearly illegal.

In current plans, the area is categorised as a recreational area, where the set up of windmills is prohibited.

The region is one of Denmark’s most beautiful areas. With its rugged landscapes and grand views, as well as many rare species of animals, birds and plants, the area is representative of authentic Danish nature. There are very few areas of Denmark left, where one can experience darkness at night and complete silence.

The windmills, which are 250 meters tall, are planned to be along a 6 km linear south/north stretch. This will prevent birds in the international Ramsar-area, Vejlerne, which is situated to the east of the test centre, from flying west to the EU-habitat area Vullum Sø and to Thy National Park just south of Hanstholm.

The Danish government has not consulted properly about the plans. The Danish citizens had little time to put forward comments of the project. The hearing has only been 11 days long, with 9 of those being a national holiday.

The environment minister has decided that a report on this projects impact on nature and the wildlife will be completed by early December 2009. The consequence of this is that it is impossible to produce a well documented scientific report, to act as the foundation for a political decision.

The local population has formed an association, “Landforeningen for Bedre Miljø” (The Association for an Improved Environment) with the aim to inform about the environmental consequences for both the society and nature, if plans for the national test centre are followed through. So far, “Landsforeningen for Bedre Miljø“ has tried, in vain, to persuade the Danish government to produce a more thorough investigation of the project’s impacts on the surroundings.

The association is discontented with the planning process so far, because they have neglected ordinary, well-known, democratic principles, which Denmark otherwise uses every opportunity to talk about across the world.

If you, as an environmentally aware citizen of the world, thinks that questions ought to be asked concerning this unjust conduct towards our future generations inheritance of the nature, please spread the word about this planned national test centre.

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Chris Horner of Pajamas Media has a summary of the issue:

President Obama was caught flatfooted by the embarrassing truth about Spain’s “green economy” after he instructed us — on eight separate occasions — to “think about what’s happening in countries like Spain” as a model for a U.S. future. Spain, of course, is suffering an economic meltdown from enormous public debt incurred through programs like a mandated “green economy.”

But Obama also just implored Spain to drastically scale back or risk becoming Greece. A flip he immediately flopped, by pushing hard to enact the Kerry-Lieberman “path to insolvency” bill based on … Spain. (Cue Benny Hill theme.)

So, embarrassed — or perhaps shameless — Obama changed his pitch: “Think about what’s happening in countries like Denmark.”

Of course, the experience of Denmark — a country with a population half that of Manhattan’s, not exactly a useful energy model for our rather different economy and society — is no great shakes, either.

But it gets better.

In my new book — Power Grab: How Obama’s Green Policies Will Steal Your Freedom and Bankrupt America — I describe the absurdity of the “free ice cream” theories of the “green economy” our statist friends now embrace as their latest raison d’etre for a controlled society. My mother-in-law — visiting from Denmark — is reading my book with a particular interest in its exposé of what her heavily taxed labor pays for in that country.

The book also prompted her to relay an amazing new anecdote to the case study referred to by the Danes as “the fairy tale of the windmills.”

In the northern region of Jutland called Thy, Denmark is forcing people off of their land (“Kelo” is apparently Danish for “Kelo”) and — wait for it — preparing to clear-cut fifteen square kilometers of forest, and eventually thirty, in order to put up more of the bird- and job-killing monstrosities.

These giant windmills are not even intended to fill an energy gap for the Danish economy. No, they are to be onshore experimental versions of massive new off-shore turbines — with the facility to be rented out to wind mavens like Siemens.

The argument they are forwarding for doing this is not just the typically risible claim that this is necessary for the environment. After all, “[the] deforestation will create an increase of 400,000 tons of CO2 emissions, the equivalent of the CO2 emissions of 100,000 people per year.”

They are also forwarding the argument that this must occur in order to create Danish jobs.

Of course, “creating jobs,” to the extent such mandates can do this (as they are typically net job killers), appears much more necessary after the state first made it difficult for the private sector to do such things. Denmark enforced what methods, and what quantity of those methods, are acceptable for producing electricity. It always turns out that the acceptable ways are inefficient, intermittent, and expensive. Which sort of explains the need for mandates.

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Fred

Windmills First !!
We’ll log the rest of the National Parks later.

Curiousgeorge

Theme song submission for them. $$$$$

beng

Denmark gets premium bucks selling the “green” energy to other EU countries (they smartly use little of it themselves). Hence the big push.
One little nuclear-plant taking a mere hundred acres can produce more power far more reliably than a country-size “wind-farm”.

Curiousgeorge

Theme song submission #2, in case you prefer Pink Floyd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1dYk-lV3-s&feature=related . Better visuals.

pat

Some sort of contagious insanity grips liberals.

DirkH

Horner’s link to the document about the german subsidies
( http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/germany/Germany_Study_-_FINAL.pdf ) is great, thanks a lot! I’ve been looking for real costs like forever now, it’s not like our journalists really come up with them. 8 billion Euros a year forPV at the moment. That’s 100 Euro or 125 USD per capita and year. Nice to know.

DirkH

“Curiousgeorge says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:11 am
Theme song submission for them. $$$$$ ”
Very nice! Here’s a newer version – i recommend to start them in parallel 😉
The Flying Lizards, “Money”:

Reminds me of things such as this – http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/business/worldbusiness/31biofuel.html
You can find a lot of this crazy stuff going on. Palm plantations are now being classified as “forests” so, at least on paper, there is no net loss after they replant. It’s amazing to me how little thought is put into these type schemes before they are implemented.

This is the modus operandi of wind turbine manufacturers. It is land-grab, plain and simple.
Suzlon tries the same thing at several sites. For example,
http://www.indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/node/261089
More here
http://nigguraths.wordpress.com/2010/02/14/suzlon-bollywood/
Some of the environmentalists, like Johann Hari are waking up now, to the ‘forest grab under the REDD garb’. People like George Monbiot know, but wont say anything.

Larry Geiger

250 meters tall? Was that right? Just asking. That’s 820 feet tall? Is that accurate?

RockyRoad

Just paint the blades of these windmills a dark green, the pedestals a grainy brown like bark, put a big smiley squirrel face on the hub, and pretend they’re modern pine trees. Or call them electricity-generating pine-wheels.
Someday Europeans will wake up, but I doubt it will happen before they’ve ruined much of their union.

Espen

The group you link to appears to be Danish, not Dutch! Good story though.
REPLY: I got interrupted while writing, slip of the keyboard, fixed thanks -A

DD More

Slightly off topic, but what is this?
“The Danish citizens had little time to put forward comments of the project. The hearing has only been 11 days long, with 9 of those being a national holiday.”
Nine national holidays within 11 days??? What a way to run an economy.

Phillip Bratby

eng: Denmark doesn’t get ‘premium bucks selling the “green” energy to other EU countries’. It has to give it away to avoid grid balancing problems. The Scandinavians use it to pump water uphill to boost their hydroelectric power. Denmark consequently has the highest priced electricity in Europe (I believe).

Barking mad. Until you remember none of this is about the environment.

Enneagram

Either bribes are succulent when buying windmills or the GMF changes are affecting people in the northern hemisphere, or both.
Anyway quite an army of Quixotes, like WUWT´s Anthony, are needed to tear all those damned windmills down.
BTW, who plays Sancho´s character here? “The dogs are barking, Sancho my friend, which means we are moving forward”

J.Hansford

Me, I’m not fussed….. They should probably build a Coal fired power station, or Nuclear.
Anyway it sets a precedent for industry in the area. When the Windmills fail, it can be called industrial land and put to good use at a later date;-)
Poor ol’ greenies. They wander about , never quite knowing who’s using them or for what purpose…. Useful idiots. 🙂

JP

La ventura va guiando nuestras cosas mejor de lo que acertáramos a desear; porque ¿ves allí, amigo Sancho Panza, donde se descubren treinta, o pocos más, desaforados gigantes con quien pienso hacer batalla y quitarles a todos las vidas, con cuyos despojos comenzaremos a enriquecer?; que esta es buena guerra, y es gran servicio de Dios quitar tan mala simiente de sobre la faz de la tierra.
“Fortune,” said Don Quixote to his squire, as soon as he had seen them, “is arranging matters for us better than we could have hoped. Look there, friend Sancho Panza, where thirty or more monstrous giants rise up, all of whom I mean to engage in battle and slay, and with whose spoils we shall begin to make our fortunes. For this is righteous warfare, and it is God’s good service to sweep so evil a breed from off the face of the earth.”

Enneagram

Windmills actual power output:
http://www.energyadvocate.com/fw91.htm

WillR

Joni Mitchell had it right…
Pave Paradise — put up a parking lot.
Whoodda thunk she was talking about the greenies.
Have a look at Wind Concerns (Ontario Canada) for a lot more information that is just as senseless.
Log the forests, pave the farms kill the cows. Nothing like green policy.
http://windconcernsontario.wordpress.com/
Happy camping all!

In Russia, many forests are protected from logging by law, unless they are damaged by fire. So loggers burn huge tracts of forest in order to open up the land to logging.

Tom_R

This story can’t be real. Even the worst greenie government coudn’t be that stupid.

oldseadog

I thought that I had read somewhere that Denmark had stopped building (growing?) any more windmills.

James Sexton

This simply serves as an illustration that all the talk of CO2 this and global warming that is a diversion. Obviously, in this particular case, net CO2 gain or loss isn’t even considered, much less the motivation to proceed. Apparently, around the globe, there are people that believe we need to be weaned from cheap and reliable energy. As to why, I’ll let the readers come to their own conclusions.

James Sexton

@ JP……..love the Quixotic reference!!!

Same kind of crazy plans here in Finland. A huge wind farm is planned right next to the UNESCO World Heritage Site of the Kvarken Archipelago. The original plans even overlapped the area.

wayne

Wait until these AGW alarmists find out what slowing the wind with windmill farms will actually do to the climate, specifically evaporation, now there is a real factor which could cause mild droughts downwind. The earth relies on the wind velocity to magnify and facilitate evaporation providing water vapor for later downwind rainfall. Altering the hydrological cycle also plays in but I have no exact idea how or magnitude, but it will.
Here’s a link these children can start to learn about the world they are playing with:
http://www.kidsgeo.com/geography-for-kids/0105-evaporation-and-wind-speed.php
I don’t know what the prevailing winds are over Denmark but I guess the countries downwind can just file lawsuits on Demark to recover the damages from loss of rainfall they used to have before the wind farms went in. This rush into generation by the wind could end up being the most expensive form imaginable and the cost not being in dollars.

Henry chance

Totalitarianism for “the greater good”
Land grabs and taxes for wind turbines are for the greater good. Wind turbines rank higher than trees.

latitude

“”pat says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:16 am
Some sort of contagious insanity grips liberals.””
Pat, you said that much better than I would have.

DirkH

“Tom_R says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:59 am
This story can’t be real. Even the worst greenie government coudn’t be that stupid.”
Looks real:
danish investor news:
http://www.finansnyheder.dk/news/ShowNewsStory.aspx?StoryId=11027677
google translated:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.finansnyheder.dk%2Fnews%2FShowNewsStory.aspx%3FStoryId%3D11027677&sl=da&tl=en

Mikkel

I do believe this coverage is below the standard on wattsupwiththat.com. The story has many angles and has been covered in Danish media for months. Yet only one angle, from some green group resenting windmills, is presented. And the site linked to is filled with factual errors.
Makes me wonder how many other stories on WUWT only focuses on one side… hmm…
/Mikkel

Henry chance

Having it both ways.
Here is Joe Romm arguing against mountain top removal and mandating planting of trees after coal mining.
On the same page, they hve PERMANENT deforrestation for wind turbines and install them on mountain tops. So it is 1,000 tons of concrete poured for the base of each wind turbine platform.
http://climateprogress.org/2010/04/02/energy-and-global-warming-news-cleantech-investments-soar-epa-sets-water-standards-to-curb-mountaintop-mining-pollution-cape-wind-inks-turbine-deal-siemens/
This is Not about the environment.

Enneagram

JP says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:48 am
For this is righteous warfare, and it is God’s good service to sweep so evil a breed from off the face of the earth.”
This is a righteous warfare indeed!

When I saw “Climate Craziness” I immediatly thought about the “mammoth” report that’s out there.
But this Danish windmill biz is really nuts. It almost qualifies as another “gate”.
A real example of having reached a political tipping point. A tipping into absurdity.

bubbagyro

JP says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:48 am
Awesome quote! I’ll add another:
As King Solomon said, “I have seen all things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.” (Ecclesiastes 1:14)

Dirk H
Just substitute the young lady with a government bureaucrat, and you have what’s going on today.

Gareth Phillips

Hi, I know this area and it is indeed windy. If there potential is there, why not use it? The trees will grow again, though it’s unlikely the wind will stop, so why not use the energy ?If these trees were being cut down in Oregon to build new holiday homes, would posters be as concerned? Or is the concern about cutting down trees not related to the trees, but with regards to why they have been cut down ? As a lefty environmentalist skeptic on climate change I try and see all sides of the argument, wind power does indeed have a place in generation of power along with Nuclear power stations, it’s a question of balance and how we exploit all resources wisely and economically. Nuclear power stations are also pretty expensive, and in the UK at least they have never been seen as an economical option. However, they are in the main, like windpower and hydro, environmentally friendly. I have lived in the same area as coal mines and windpower, and I know which one I prefer.

Dave D

Ouch, wait until the AGW Scheme collapses and there is no justification for this stupid idea. They will be left with rusting turbines, large maintenance fees, dead birds and spotting energy outputs – be careful what you wish for….

Mikkel May 24, 2010 at 10:29 am,
What matters are the basic facts being reported: that the government is clear-cutting trees in a national park and evicting people to build windmills.
Are you disputing that?

Enneagram

The Ingenious Hidalgo Don Quixote of La Mancha ..a novel written by Spanish author Miguel de Cervantes, was published in two volumes a decade apart (in 1605 and 1615). . Coincidently, at the beginning of the Maunder Minimum, now, after 400 years, at the beginning of a New MM, the story repeats iself:
From these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Campo_de_Criptana_Molinos_de_Viento_1.jpg
To these:
http://www.freefoto.com/images/39/01/39_01_5—Wind-Turbine-Generators–Palm-Springs–California_web.jpg
Cyclical madness.

MattN

Is it April 1 in Denmark or something???

Gary Pearse

This is some sort of revenge on the wrong people for the embarassment of the failed socialist world economic takeover at the Copenhagen CO2 summit in Nov 2009. This sort of thing is the beginning of the end, though, for the foolishness that sane people have allowed to flourish for a couple of decades. Meanwhile, with the Euro sharply down over the Greek economic crisis and shakiness elsewhere in the EU, I estimate that there is still a lot of downside for shorting the Euro if things like the Danish craziness are still actually being contemplated. I hope J Hansen shows up to protest this, even though it isn’t aimed at coal. Our only hope for the Danes here is that the clear-cut will discover coal reserves for the future when this unbelievably humiliating self-immolation going on in Europe (and which we are trying to emulate here) is over.

Henry chance says:
May 24, 2010 at 10:32 am
So it is 1,000 tons of concrete poured for the base of each wind turbine platform.
hmm.. So, how much energy is used to make the cement for this platform? Lets call it Ec
And how much energy is used to make the windmill? Lets call it Ew
Then how much energy will this windmill actually produce over it’s lifetime? Call it Ep
so we have (Ec+Ew) -Ep
I suspect that the equation would show a very large positive number!

Sordnay

The “job killers” meme is from that Spanish paper? any other source for that claim?
and the bird killer meme… that’s an ultra-green complaint, as valid as “CO2 is a pollutant”, just try to find bird death stats.

Ralph

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I refer readers to my WUWT article entitled “Renewable Energy, Our Downfall”. A slightly alarmist title, I admit, but one that is justifiable. The important aspect here is the reference to the research document on Danish wind farms, which concluded that Denmark has never used any of the wind power it has generated – because it is too unreliable and intermittant. It sells the power to Scandinavia instead (at a loss) where the ‘instant’ hydro power can cope with the huge fluctuations.
Renewable Energy, Our Downfall
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/25/renewable-energy-%e2%80%93-our-downfall/
Hugh Sharman, – Why Wind Power ‘Works’ in Denmark
http://www.incoteco.com/upload/CIEN.158.2.66.pdf
This pdf makes interesting reading, as it highlights the long periods without any wind power, which means that all wind power has to be 100% backed up by other more reliable generation methods, which have to be burning and turning to cope with the sudden fluctuatiuons. So just what is the point of windelecs (wind turbines)?
One reasonable use would be in Holland, where 25% of electrical energy is used for pumping water. Windelecs could do this task easily, because it does not really matter if the water is pumped this week or next week. But when it comes to food production, and distribution, plus all the other computer, transport, communications, and safety functions that rely on electricity in a technological society – we need the power 24/7. Wind cannot guarantee electrical supplies, which is why it can and will bring entire nations to their knees.
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Enneagram

It is just a matter of energy….of how much energy you put in fighting against collective madness.

bubbagyro

Gareth Phillips says:
May 24, 2010 at 10:42 am
Maybe you did not see that they have to clearcut 15 to 30 square kilometers of forest to do it? Are you insane, comparing that to controlled logging that is proven net forest positive??
And who told you that nuclear plants are not efficient? AlGore or someone on Facebook? They are the most efficient, air pollution free (CO2 is not a pollutant, of course, but sulfur and oxides of nitrogen, I mean), and are not known to be efficient endangered bird and bat swatters as are the infernal animal extinction machines (IAEMs).
I think that all wind power advocates, by law, should wear those little pinwheel beanies in public, so we don’t expect too much from them in any thoughtful transactions.

Erik

@Phillip Bratby says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:39 am
Denmark consequently has the highest priced electricity in Europe (I believe).
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you are correct, and the price of nov. 2009 has been “value-added” with an extra “power saving advice tax”
End-user prices for EU Domestic consumers, nov. 2009 (3 x PgDn):
http://www.energy.eu/#Domestic
From my latest bill of 14/5-2010: Dkr 2.11/kw = $ 0,35/kw

Mikkel

Smokey says:
May 24, 2010 at 10:49 am
Are you disputing that?
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Yes! This is a very complex case, summarized here by a press release from people opposing the windmills. The post contains many errors and exaggerations, as does the linked-to page, and both shows very little knowledge of political and justice systems in Denmark. The post provides a skewed view of the issue.
/Mikkel

Erik

@Sordnay says:
May 24, 2010 at 11:21 am
The “job killers” meme is from that Spanish paper? any other source for that claim?
and the bird killer meme… that’s an ultra-green complaint, as valid as “CO2 is a pollutant”, just try to find bird death stats.
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Funny you should say that, we do have an eagle park in the same area
http://www.eagleworld.dk/