Editorializing about the Editorial

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I just got my printed copy of the May 7th issue of Science Magazine, and I read their Editorial. This is the issue that contained the now-infamous Letter to the Editor with the Photoshopped image of a polar bear on an ice floe. An alternate version of that Photoshopped image is below:

Figure 1. Photoshopped version of a Photoshopped image of a Photoshopped Polar bear.

So is the Editorial as one-sided as the Letter? Surprisingly, no. There are some excellent ideas and statements in it … but it contains some egregious errors of fact, and some curious assertions and exaggerations. I have emphasised in bold those interesting parts below. First, the Editorial:

Stepping Back; Moving Forward

Brooks Hanson

Brooks Hanson is Deputy Editor for physical sciences at Science.

The controversial e-mails related to climate change, plus reported errors in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports, have spurred a dangerous deterioration in the rational relation between science and society. One U.S. senator has called 17 prominent climate scientists criminals, and pundits have suggested that climate scientists should commit suicide. Fourteen U.S. states have filed lawsuits opposing the federal regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, some asserting that “climate change science is a conspiracy.” South Dakota even resolved that there are other “astrological” forcings on climate. Scientists have been barraged by hateful e-mails. The debate has become polarized, and the distrust of scientists and their findings extends well beyond climate science. What can be done to repair society’s trust in science? A broader perspective is needed on all sides.

The main societal challenges—global energy supply, growing the food supply, and improving public health, among others—depend intimately on science, and for this reason society requires a vigorous scientific enterprise. Our expanding global economy is taxing resources and the environment in ways that cannot be sustained. Science provides a deep understanding of these impacts and, as a result, the ability to predict consequences and assess risks.

Addressing anthropogenic climate change exemplifies the challenges inherent in providing critical scientific advice to society (see the Policy Forum on p. 695 and Letter on p. 689). Climate is as global as today’s economy; we know from archaeological and historical records that an unstable climate has disrupted societies. For these reasons, scientists and governments are jointly committed to understanding the impacts of climate change. Thousands of scientists have volunteered for the IPCC or other assessments. Governments have a vested interest in the success of these assessments, and the stakes are high.

We thus must move beyond polarizing arguments in ways that strengthen this joint commitment. The scientific community must recognize that the recent attacks stem in part from its culture and scientists’ behavior. In turn, it is time to focus on the main problem: The IPCC reports have underestimated the pace of climate change while overestimating societies’ abilities to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

Scientists must meet other responsibilities. The ability to collect, model, and analyze huge data sets is one of the great recent advances in science and has made possible our understanding of global impacts. But developing the infrastructure and practices required for handling data, and a commitment to collect it systematically, have lagged. Scientists have struggled to address standardizing, storing, and sharing data, and privacy concerns. Funding must be directed not only toward basic science but toward facilitating better decisions made with the data and analyses that are produced. As a start, research grants should specify a data curation plan, and there should be a greater focus on long-term monitoring of the environment.

Because society’s major problems are complex, generating useful scientific advice requires synthesizing knowledge from diverse disciplines. As the need for synthesis grows, the avenues of communication are changing rapidly. Unfortunately, many news organizations have eviscerated their science staffs. As a result, stories derived from press releases on specific results are crowding out the thoughtful syntheses that are needed.

If the scientific community does not aggressively address these issues, including communicating its process of discovery and recognizing its modern data responsibilities, and if society does not constructively engage science, then the scientific enterprise and the whole of society are in danger of losing their crucial rational relationship. Carl Sagan’s warnings are especially apt today: “We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.” “This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.”

So, what’s wrong with the statements I highlighted in bold? Well, they’re not true. Let’s look at them one by one.

One U.S. senator has called 17 prominent climate scientists criminals…

Presumably, this refers to the Senate Minority Report by Senator Inhofe. However, he did not call 17 climate scientists criminals. In fact he does not use that word at all in connection with scientists. Instead, he made a much more nuanced series of statements:

In our view, the CRU documents and emails reveal, among other things, unethical and potentially illegal behavior by some of the world’s preeminent climate scientists.

and:

The released CRU emails and documents display unethical, and possibly illegal, behavior. The scientists appear to discuss manipulating data to get their preferred results. On several occasions they appear to discuss subverting the scientific peer review process to ensure that skeptical papers had no access to publication. Moreover, there are emails discussing unjustified changes to data by federal employees and federal grantees.

These and other issues raise questions about the lawful use of federal funds and potential ethical misconduct.

and

Minority Staff has identified a preliminary sampling of CRU emails and documents which seriously compromise the IPCC-backed “consensus” and its central conclusion that anthropogenic emissions are inexorably leading to environmental catastrophes, and which represent unethical and possibly illegal conduct by top IPCC scientists, among others.

So Brooks Hanson starts out with a false and misleading statement. Inhofe did not “call 17 prominent climate scientists criminals”, that’s simply not true. He said that some of their actions appeared to be possibly illegal … and me, I’d have to agree with the Senator.

On the other side of the pond, whether some of them were criminals was addressed by the UK Parliament Committee, who said:

There is prima facie evidence that CRU has breached the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It would, however, be premature, without a thorough investigation affording each party the opportunity to make representations, to conclude that UEA was in breach of the Act. In our view, it is unsatisfactory to leave the matter unresolved simply because of the operation of the six- month time limit on the initiation of prosecutions.

So it was only because the Statute of Limitations on any criminal offenses had expired that there were no criminal investigations of the acts … sounds like a validation of Senator Inhofe’s claim of “possibly illegal” to me …

… pundits have suggested that climate scientists should commit suicide.

Presumably, this refers to Glen Beck’s statement that:

There’s not enough knives. If this, if the IPCC had been done by Japanese scientists, there’s not enough knives on planet Earth for hara-kiri that should have occurred. I mean, these guys have so dishonored themselves, so dishonored scientists.

I find no other “pundits” who have “suggested that climate scientists should commit suicide”. Nor did Beck. He said that if the IPCC scientists who made the errors and misrepresentations were Japanese, they would have committed suicide from the shame. Now that may or may not be true, but is not a call for American scientists to act Japanese, even Beck knows that’s not possible.

Fourteen U.S. states have filed lawsuits opposing the federal regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, some asserting that “climate change science is a conspiracy.”

I find no State (or any other) lawsuits making this claim against climate scientists, although I might have missed them. Curiously, there was a case (Ned Comer, et al. v. Murphy Oil USA) where the claim was made the other way around, that there was a “civil conspiracy” among the oil companies to deny climate change. But I find nothing the other way.

I suspect that Brooks Hanson is referring (incorrectly) to the Resolution passed in Utah that states:

WHEREAS, emails and other communications between climate researchers around the globe, referred to as “Climategate,” indicate a well organized and ongoing effort to manipulate global temperature data in order to produce a global warming outcome;

Of course, this was a resolution, not a lawsuit. I don’t know if that claim is true or not, although the CRU emails show that there certainly was a “well organized and ongoing effort” to conceal the data regarding global temperature, and to affect the IPCC reports in an unethical and possibly illegal fashion.

South Dakota even resolved that there are other “astrological” forcings on climate.

Here’s the actual text of the South Dakota Bill:

That there are a variety of climatological, meteorological, astrological, thermological, cosmological, and ecological dynamics that can effect world weather phenomena and that the significance and interrelativity of these factors is largely speculative.

I suspect that this was a simple error, and that what was meant was “astronomical” rather than “astrological”. This is supported by their use of “thermological” for “thermal”, as “thermology” is the science of using detailed thermal images of the human body to diagnose disease … I doubt they meant that. It is also supported by their use of “effect” rather than “affect”. I’d say very poor English skills, yes … astrology, no.

Scientists have been barraged by hateful e-mails.

Barraged by mails? Hey, it’s worse than emails, it’s public calls for action:

James Hansen of NASA wanted trials for climate skeptics, accusing them of high crimes against humanity.

Robert Kennedy Jr. called climate skeptics traitors .

Yvo de Boer of the UN called climate skepticism criminally irresponsible .

David Suzuki called for politicians who ignore climate science to be jailed.

DeSmogBlog’s James Hoggan wants skeptics treated as war criminals (video).

Grist called for Nuremberg trials for skeptics.

Joe Romm said that skeptics would be strangled in their beds.

A blogger at TPM pondered when it would be acceptable to execute climate deniers .

Heidi Cullen of The Weather Channel called for skeptical forecasters to be decertified.

Bernie Sanders compared climate skeptics to Nazi appeasers..

And Greenpeace threatened unspecified reprisals against unbelievers, saying:

If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:

We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.

And we be many, but you be few.

And Brooks Hanson is worried about emails, and falsely accuses Senator Inhofe of calling climate scientists criminals? What’s wrong with this picture?

The IPCC reports have underestimated the pace of climate change …

Say what? I’d have to ask for citations on this one. There has been no statistically significant warming in the last 15 years, Arctic sea ice is recovering, climate changes are within natural variation … and he claims the pace has been “underestimated” by the IPCC? Sorry, I don’t buy that one in the slightest.

As a start, research grants should specify a data curation plan …

Lack of plans is not the problem. The main grantor of climate science funds in the US, the National Science Foundation, has very clear regulations about the archiving of climate data … but they simply ignore them. And to make it worse, they continue funding scofflaw scientists who ignore them. Science Magazine and Nature Magazine have very clear policies about data archiving … but they don’t ask authors to follow them whenever they feel like it. The problem is not a lack of “data curation plans” as Hanson claims. It is that the people in charge of those plans have been looking the other way, even when people like myself and many others have asked them to enforce their policies and plans and rules. Those kinds of actions simply reinforce the public idea that all of climate science is a scam and a conspiracy. I don’t think it is either one … but man, some of the AGW supporters in positions of scientific power are sure doing their best to make it look that way …

Now, given all of that, what in the editorial did I like? There were several statements that I felt were very important:

We thus must move beyond polarizing arguments in ways that strengthen this joint commitment. The scientific community must recognize that the recent attacks stem in part from its culture and scientists’ behavior.

I could not agree more. The problems are not the result of some mythical Big-Oil funded climate skeptics public relations machine. They are the result of scientific malfeasance on a large scale by far too many of the top climate scientists. People are enraged by this, as there are few things that raise peoples’ ire more than knowing that they have been duped and misled. And the climate science community is the only one that can fix that.

If the scientific community does not aggressively address these issues, including communicating its process of discovery and recognizing its modern data responsibilities, and if society does not constructively engage science, then the scientific enterprise and the whole of society are in danger of losing their crucial rational relationship.

Well put. The problem is not that Inhofe has said some actions by top climate scientists are unethical and possibly illegal. The problem is that some top scientists acted in unethical and possibly illegal ways. The problem is not that people are sending hateful emails to scientists. It is that climate scientists have poisoned the well by publicly calling for the trial of people with whom they disagree, and then want to complain that people are being mean to them. The problem is not that states are taking to the law to fight bad science, it is that the bad science is so entrenched, and the peer review system has become so much of an old-boys club, that the only way to fight it is in the courts.

This is the crux of the matter for climate scientists who wish to restore the lost trust: do honest, transparent, ethical science, and let the results fall where they may. Stop larding “scientific” papers with pounds of  “might” and “could” and “may” and “possibly” and “conceivably”, we don’t care about your speculations, we want your science. Stop underestimating the errors and overestimating the certainty. Stop making up the “scary scenarios” advocated by Stephen Schneider. Stop calling for trials for people who don’t follow the party line.

And most of all, climate scientists need to learn to say those “three little words”.

You know how women are always hoping that guys will say those three little words, “I love you”? It’s like the old joke, “You know how to get rid of cockroaches? … Ask them for a commitment.” Those are the three little words that men find hard to say.

In climate science, the three little words that climate scientists find hard to say, the three little words they need to practice over and over are “We don’t know”.

We don’t know what the climate will be like in a hundred years. We don’t know what the climate sensitivity is, or even if the concept of a linear climate sensitivity relating temperature and forcing is a valid concept. We don’t know if the earth will start to warm or start to cool after the end of this current 15-year period of neither warming nor cooling. We don’t know if a rise in temperature will be a net gain or a net loss for the planet. There are heaps of things we don’t know about the climate, and the general public knows that we don’t know them.

Climate science is a new science, one of the newest. We have only been studying climate extensively for a quarter century or so, and it is an incredibly difficult field of study. The climate is a hugely complex, driven, chaotic, resonant, constructal, terawatt-scale planetary heat engine. It contains five major subsystems (atmosphere, hydrosphere, biosphere, lithosphere, and cryosphere), none of which are well understood. Each of these subsystems has a host of forcings, resonances, inter-reservoir transfers, cycles, and feedbacks which operate both internally and between the subsystems. The climate has important processes which operate on spatial scales from atomic to planet-wide, and on temporal scales from nanoseconds to millions of years. Our present state of knowledge of that system contains more unknowns than knowns. Here is my own estimation of the current state of our climate knowledge, which some of you may have seen:

In this situation, the only honest thing a climate scientist can do is to do the best, clearest, and cleanest science possible; to be totally transparent and reveal all data and codes and methods; to insist that other climate scientists practice those same simple scientific principles; and to say “we don’t know” rather than “might possibly have a probabilistic chance of maybe happening” for all the rest. That is the only path to repairing the lost trust between the public and climate science.

Oh, yeah, and one more thing … apply those principles to scientific editorials as well. Don’t exaggerate, and provide some citations for scientific editorials, trying to trace these vague claims is both boring and frustrating …

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rbateman
May 22, 2010 10:48 pm

Steven mosher says:
May 22, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Climate Skeptics really didn’t do a whole lot of damage. The damage to AGW Alarmism was self-inflicted.
They allowed emotion to overrule good sense, and fools rushed in where wise men never go.
Had the AGW side played it on the nonchalant side, they wouldn’t be looking like saps in the public eye, out on a limb.

May 22, 2010 11:25 pm

Nick Stokes: May 22, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Both Hansen and RK spoke of prosecuting firms that have been responsible for putting large amounts of CO2 in the air, which they believe is harmful to humanity. You may think it isn’t, but if it is accepted that it is, legal consequences are normally considered. That’s different to prosecuting people who express sceptic views.
You’re proposing the Red Queen’s argument — “First the verdict, then the trial.”
Calling for the prosecution of people who are doing something you disagree with, but not doing anything illegal or even something proven to be harmful, is arrogant [snip]. No “if”s, “and”s, or “but”s — it’s plain, simple, arrogant [snip].

Rich Matarese
May 22, 2010 11:29 pm


Willis Eschenbach writes:

“There are 10.6 million blogs hosted on WordPress. There are 350,000 new blog posts on WordPress daily. Every day, WordPress.com posts a ranking of the top 100 individual posts (new or old), judged according to their secret formula.
“This post is now number 10 on the WordPress <a href="http://botd.wordpress.com/top-posts/"Blog of the Day site.””

And this, it must be supposed, is one of the reasons why Barry Soetoro and his little ACORN elves really, really want to impose “Internet fairness” on the World Wide Web.
Sheesh. How dare “denialists” like Willis speak lucidly and convincingly to an extremely broad audience of people all over these United States?

Phil Clarke
May 23, 2010 12:43 am

Finally, it was a Greenpeace communication, done by one of their employees on their web site.
Past tense. Willis, it’s a shame that you seem to continue to miss my point in all your responses. Attributing a phrase to an organisation, lifted from a blog post, after that post has been removed, seems to be not exactly in the finest tradition of ethical journalism.
Next, you find fault with a few of my examples …
Here’s the list:
James Hansen of NASA wanted trials for climate skeptics,
Au contraire. Hansen in fact praised scepticism in his piece and he certainly never called for all sceptics to be put on trial, here is the relevant text:
Special interests have blocked transition to our renewable energy future. Instead of moving heavily into renewable energies, fossil companies choose to spread doubt about global warming, as tobacco companies discredited the smoking-cancer link. Methods are sophisticated, including funding to help shape school textbook discussions of global warming.
CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.

So a true sceptic would be at no risk from Dr Hansen’s proposal. I am reminded of the tobacco executives who testified that they did not believe tobacco was carcinogenic….
Robert Kennedy Jr. called climate skeptics traitors .
No, in reported remarks at a rock concert, his problem was with ‘companies that consistently put their private financial interest ahead of American interest and ahead of the interest of all of humanity.’ You have conflated that into ‘climate sceptics’.
Yvo de Boer of the UN called climate skepticism criminally irresponsible .
No., he described failure to act on the scientific advice as such.
David Suzuki called for politicians who ignore climate science to be jailed.
According to a one-line quote in the National Post. Suzuki never meant it literaly. We know this because he told the ‘newspaper’ so. Still you mine the quote without the response.
Grist called for Nuremberg trials for skeptics.
Nope, the target was ‘the denial industry’, those knowingly spreading misinformation in return for renumeration. The opposite of sceptics, you might say.
Joe Romm said that skeptics would be strangled in their beds.
0% true. Romm said no such thing, a commenter at his blog made this distasteful prediction, which Romm pulled.
A blogger at TPM pondered when it would be acceptable to execute climate deniers .
So? TPM is an open site – anyone can blog there and the site swiftly pulled the piece once they became aware of it.. An example of Sturgeon’s Law, no more. If you’re worried by this nonsense -which I doubt- you need to develop a thicker skin.
Heidi Cullen of The Weather Channel called for skeptical forecasters to be decertified.
No, she mused over whether forecasters who make statements out of line with the AMS’s position should continue to be eligible for that body’s Seal of Approval.
You don’t discuss Suzuki, the best known Canadian AGW supporter, calling for skeptics to be jailed. That has not been atypical of AGW comments, not on blogs, but by people like Hansen and Suzuki and other prominent folks. You want to get outraged now? Where was your outrage when they were saying those things?
Perhaps because I am not in the habit of reading the National Post, perhaps because I prefer the real thing to this faux stuff. This collection of quote-mined, secondhand, misconstrued press reports, deleted blog comments doesn’t do it for me I am afraid.
Seems I am not alone: http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/cms/xcms/the-canadians-you-trust_2745_a.html

May 23, 2010 12:52 am

Steven
Hansen said “CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual.” <What they are doing is principally causing a large amount of carbon to be transferred from the ground to the atmosphere. Hansen seems to be particularly incensed that they are in his view acting to spread doubt about AGW, but the key issue is that the firms are modifying the atmosphere. He isn’t saying that they should be prosecuted for their sceptic views, but for what they do.
And Bill, no you’ve got that wrong – prosecution comes first, then trial and then verdict. Lots of people think lots of other people should be prosecuted (eg Dr Mann, this blog, or BP, anywhere).
And you have the wrong Queen – Q of Hearts.

Joe
May 23, 2010 3:32 am

JER0ME says:
May 22, 2010 at 9:24 pm
No such thing as centrifugal force. Now, if you were to talk about centripetal force ….
So says the physicists!
But they never found how to recreate this force to show how it can move and compress mass. I have.

899
May 23, 2010 3:47 am

Nick Stokes says:
May 23, 2010 at 12:52 am
Steven
Hansen said “CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual.” <What they are doing is principally causing a large amount of carbon to be transferred from the ground to the atmosphere. Hansen seems to be particularly incensed that they are in his view acting to spread doubt about AGW, but the key issue is that the firms are modifying the atmosphere. He isn’t saying that they should be prosecuted for their sceptic views, but for what they do.
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And of course you're totally blind to the fact the multinational oil companies have contrived to create this mess by first pretending to be against the idea of AGW, whilst on the other hand fully funding the venture behind the scenes?
Do you remember the so-called 'oil embargo' of 1973? I do. I was stationed at the Naval Air Facility at Andrew's AFB. The MAC flights coming in from Europe would comment on the 'invasion fleet' of full tankers' parked off the 15 mile limit of the U.S. adjacent to the refinery points. They were waiting for Nixon's signature to rescind his wage-price controls.
Here, there's a book you ought consume before you get to be too doddering: The Empire of "The City" by E.C. Knuth.
Excerpt:
On page 77 there there's a passage which applies in SPADES to what I speak:
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"It is obvious that in the early stages of the usurpation of power in any land or even partial democracy, opposition is certain to rise, and that an attempt to suppress the antagonism by arbitrary means would quickly inflame and solidify the opponents into an overwhelming attack.
"Machiavelli considered this aspect and indicated the correct method to neutralize this danger by stating: "Many consider, that a wise prince, when he has the opportunity, ought with craft to foster some animosity against himself, so that, having crushed it, his renown may rise even higher.""
"This indicates the technique of modern Machiavellians in having their own stalking horses grasp the leadership of their opponents, and then as their own and veiled and hidden action is gradually unfolded, have their pied pipers oppose them on spurious and superficial reasons in such a way as to obscure and conceal as far as possible the real reasons and objectives; thereby confusing and confounding the real opponents and leading them into a swamp of futility."
How about that, eh?

899
May 23, 2010 3:54 am

Rich Matarese says:
May 22, 2010 at 11:29 pm

And this, it must be supposed, is one of the reasons why Barry Soetoro and his little ACORN elves really, really want to impose “Internet fairness” on the World Wide Web.
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But the really interesting thing is: THERE IS all the ‘fairness’ for which one might ask, as all one need do is seek opinions which match one’s preferences!
Last I checked, no website automatically ‘pops up’ on my computer, unless I set it to do such.
In fact, the Internet is better than any radio: You may select to ignore content you don’t like and feed your brain on an exclusive diet of whatever.
How easier could it be?

899
May 23, 2010 3:57 am

Phil Clarke says:
May 23, 2010 at 12:43 am
Past tense. Willis, it’s a shame that you seem to continue to miss my point in all your responses. Attributing a phrase to an organisation, lifted from a blog post, after that post has been removed, seems to be not exactly in the finest tradition of ethical journalism.
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Willis spanked you, and did so with compassion.
That you keep coming back for more is telling …

Dave McK
May 23, 2010 4:00 am

“His scientific conduct has, of course, been investigated and no evidence of any wrongdoing whatsoever has been found.”
There really does need to be some testimony under oath and consequences for fraud.
Every time a con man is seen to get away with it, others are emboldened. As a result, the p.c. s of the world never go into remission.
Willis is rational but reason is not coin in the present economy of con.
There needs to be prosecutions pour encourager les autres.
In this matter, the heroic S. McI. is doing best by leaving the building. On this score he was thwarting a natural correction. It’s never wise to try to deflect delivery of consequences as one catches the bullet himself. But there goes one hero, down.
We are seeing the global consolidation phase of diverse fraud franchises – it’s very much like the Council of Nicea. The economies of scale to be achieved by consolidation are the last squeeze of institutions on the verge of bankruptcy.
It really only took the crippling of one generation by a panoply of scientific means. It will take at least a generation to recover. Meanwhile, the wasted generation pollutes everything it handles.
Stay on top, Willis. You don’t bend to whim because you understand principles explicitly. Make the frauds feel their wretchedness by being right. Show them their inner fear by knowing you are. Both of those things are proper to man and are what they crave and but never have until they earn the right. They can never steal it, either.
Show us somebody can do it easily and show us how. Worthy is as worthy does.
You rock.

bhiggum
May 23, 2010 4:01 am

So proud to be in South Dakota where our legislature can admit doubts about humans being the only cause for as-yet-unproved global climate change.
So embarrassed our lawmakers have a fascination with big words that almost mean what they think they mean.

Gail Combs
May 23, 2010 4:09 am

Rich Matarese says:
May 22, 2010 at 8:12 pm

Willis Eschenbach takes note of an episode in which a Greenpeace “activist,” upon boarding – uninvited and against the wishes of the crews – two fishing boats in Malta’s Grand Harbour, got pummeled and chucked overboard.
I take greatest interest in the quotation in the article cited by Willis“
“Greenpeace international oceans campaigner François Provost said: ‘We were just trying to carry out an inspection on the boats’.”
Hm? Just what lawful authority has any member of Greenpeace to enter upon the private property of anyone in order “…to carry out an inspection“?
Do these people now conceive themselves to be the Green Police?
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“Do these people now conceive themselves to be the Green Police?” – YES!
We have one in my general area that I was warned about. On her vehicle she has written “Animal legal defense” or some such nonsense. She made their living driving a round looking for old horses. She had a friend who was a judge then issue a court order allowing her to confiscate the ENTIRE herd of horse, cattle and other livestock owned by that person. She would confiscate the herd and immediately sell it off at an out of state auction. At that time horses was selling for a minimum of $500 a piece at auction. Given my state has the largest horse herd next to the state of Texas, with many people having several horses, she did a brisk business.
Unfortunately this is not the only person I have run across recently doing this type of “legal” thuggery. There are at least a half dozen others I know of.
One made the mistake of going after the local rodeo cowboys. He was caught untying a $40,000 cutting horse at an event. Unfortunately for the Greenie the owner of the cutting horse was riding his roping horse. He got a very nasty lesson on why it is not a good idea to mess with someone else’s property. Since then the greenies in my state have left the rodeo people strictly alone. (Road burns really really hurt)

Gail Combs
May 23, 2010 4:38 am

899 says:
May 23, 2010 at 3:47 am
“…..And of course you’re totally blind to the fact the multinational oil companies have contrived to create this mess by first pretending to be against the idea of AGW, whilst on the other hand fully funding the venture behind the scenes?
“This indicates the technique of modern Machiavellians in having their own stalking horses grasp the leadership of their opponents, and then as their own and veiled and hidden action is gradually unfolded, have their pied pipers oppose them on spurious and superficial reasons in such a way as to obscure and conceal as far as possible the real reasons and objectives; thereby confusing and confounding the real opponents and leading them into a swamp of futility.”
How about that, eh?”

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Nice to see someone else has ripped the blinders off.
“Do you remember the so-called ‘oil embargo’ of 1973? I do…” So do I. I also remember the long line waiting to get gas. I talked to some old truckers recently and they mention that the oil refineries were so full at that time the guys loading their trucks were complaining about not having anywhere to put the fuel the refineries were making.
Do not forget the Saudi Arabia/Rockefeller/oil connections:
1932 May 31, Socal, formerly Standard Oil of California, discovered oil in Bahrain. This was the 1st middle eastern oil discovered by an American firm.
(SFC, 10/20/04, p.C6) http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/199901/prelude.to.discovery.htm
1933 May, Saudi Arabia gave Standard Oil of California exclusive rights to explore for oil. Socal formed the California Arabian Standard Oil Co. to drill for oil in Saudi Arabia.
(SFC, 10/20/04, p.C6)
1984 Socal purchased Gulf Oil and its extensive operations in Nigeria and changed its name to Chevron.
(SFC, 11/19/98, p.A8)(SFC, 10/20/04, p.C6) http://www.chevron.com/
Here is an interesting history of the Oil Cartel by Richard Cowen; Ph.D. in Geology (1966); 1989-2003. Senior Lecturer in Geology, University of California, Davis : http://mygeologypage.ucdavis.edu/cowen/~gel115/115ch13oil.html

Pascvaks
May 23, 2010 5:23 am

I move we rent New England to Saudi Arabia and California to Mexico and move D.C. to Saint Louis.
On second thought, I move we recind every federal law and treaty passed in the past 110 years.
Ahhh… On third thought, it might be possible now, with the Web and all, to sell D.C. (what’s left of it) to Maryland for $1.00 and divide up the gold reserves and armed forces to the 50 States. It would give us more votes in the UN Security Council.
OK! Maybe I’m putting the car in front of the mule… How about we limit all elected offices to two terms and don’t elect no more lawyers or Ha’verd Grads for the next 500 years and see how that works out?
PS: Understand the weather is changing in Hawaii.

May 23, 2010 7:10 am

Henry@Willis
Thanks for the link!
Yes, maybe we should start getting more aggressive by directing complaints to the BCC (Broadcasting Complaints Commission) about the onesidedness of reporting by certain news media. The paper by R.Lindzen will do nicely and yours as well (congenital climate abnormalities).
I think the reason why we must take on the media is because the debate here is now shifting to: “OK, so if we cannot use coal (to generate electricity) , then we must go nuclear”. I suspect it is the same in the USA?
Personnally I am not at all too sure if we want the debate to shift in that direction, because I still think that nuclear energy is not so safe and we have not really found an answer yet as to what to do with the nuclear waste (aside from burying it underground). Or what is your feeling about that?
I would be interested to know.

Phil Clarke
May 23, 2010 8:53 am

Conference Report
This seems apposite: The audience, containing some international faces, but mostly American libertarians and Republicans, loved the small-government message.
They cheered when a member of the audience demanded that the “Climategate criminals” – the scientists behind the University of East Anglia (UEA) hacked emails – should be jailed for fraud.

Outraged Willis? But what is this…?
But then came a sudden and unexpected anti-climax. Mr McIntyre urged the audience to support the battle for open source data on climate change – but then he counselled them to stop clamouring for the blood of the e-mailers. McIntyre does not want them jailed, or even punished. He just wants them to say they are sorry.
The audience disappointment was tangible – like a houndpack denied the kill. Mr McIntyre then advised sceptics to stop insisting that the Hockey Stick is a fraud. It is understandable for scientists to present their data in a graphic way to “sell” their message, he said. He understood why they had done it. But their motives were irrelevant.

Or as Willis would probably say – McIntyre insists Hockey Stick not fraudulent….
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8694544.stm

GeneDoc
May 23, 2010 9:39 am

Thanks Willis. I only hope some of this feedback (both positive and negative) gets back to the author and to the executive leadership of AAAS. I just renewed my membership (coming on 30 years). But I do wonder why sometimes.

Steven mosher
May 23, 2010 10:03 am

899.
There is also evidence that the push to demonize C02 was started by the nuclear industry, Teller in particular. That is largely ignored by the people who want to spend time looking at the motives of industry.

evilincandescentbulb
May 23, 2010 10:17 am

An anti-humanist world government thwarted by George Bush?
In the end, it was all about the money, George Bush saved the world.
We all see now that a non-existing of problem — global warming — was precisely created to be the fear so big that only world government could tackle the problem, right?
There was a grand attempt to quickly stampede the herd by the UN. And, supporting the hoax were the obliging secular socialist organs of Western society, the mainstream media and the governmental-education machine and union.
But reality and reason has in the end seen through the AGW hoax as a scientific fraud and also puts a spotlight on a continuing threat to the priciple that all humanity has a God-given right to liberty: the money and power grab by big government liberal fascism under color of global warming.
“Banks and investors are pulling out of the carbon market after the failure … [at] Copenhagen … Carbon financiers have already begun leaving banks in London because of the lack of activity and the drop-off in investment demand…
“Banks had been scaling back their plans to invest in carbon markets before Copenhagen. Fewer new clean energy projects need to be financed as, because of the recession, there are fewer global emissions to offset. The price of carbon credits has also fallen, while plans to introduce national trading schemes, particularly in the US and Australia, remain uncertain…
“Carbon markets were central to the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012 and obliged developed countries that exceed their targets to purchase credits from clean energy projects in the developing world. Policymakers will meet again in Mexico in November in an attempt to revive the climate change talks.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/24/carbon-emissions-green-copenhagen-banks

David Ball
May 23, 2010 10:17 am

Apparently Phil Clarke also endorses the behavior of DePrpagandaBlog. Lack of response to the libelous statements made about Dr. Tim Ball on that blog seem to be ok with him, judging by his lack of response. You accuse Willis of missing your point, yet you completely ignore a blatant example of the ignorance of your camp. WUWT? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~899 says:
May 23, 2010 at 3:57 am
Willis spanked you, and did so with compassion.
That you keep coming back for more is telling …
Once again 899 has hit the nail on the head, with a sledghammer !!!

DAV
May 23, 2010 10:19 am

The penguin was the dead-give away of a faked photo. Almost had me fooled though.

Craig Goodrich
May 23, 2010 11:03 am

@Pascvaks —

I move we rent New England to Saudi Arabia and California to Mexico and move D.C. to Saint Louis.

In 1991, during the crises in Latvia and Lithuania, I wrote a letter to Bush I with a suggestion for resolving the crisis: Land for peace — we get the Baltic states and the Soviet Union gets D.C. The advantages would be enormous: The Baltic States, which had demonstrated their preference for freedom, would become major conduits for international finance and trade, due to their strategic location and solid underpinning (from the US) of both property law and military power. (Little did we suspect …) At the same time, the residents of DC would finally receive the socialist government system they have expressed their preference for over the last generation. And the US Capital would then be in a foreign country; how much more multicultural can you get?
Unfortunately, this ingenious solution was not adopted. In fact, my letter was not even acknowledged …

On second thought, I move we recind every federal law and treaty passed in the past 110 years.

Except the treaties with the indians, of course — the casinos are terrific.
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On the subject of wildlife preservation, how could one possibly believe that animals as clever as this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37264223/ns/technology_and_science-science/
would be bothered by a mere degree or so of Global Warming?

May 23, 2010 11:13 am

Although there IS evidence of climate change throughout the last 30 years (As photographically suggested through certain glaciers receeding in Himilayan canyons in comparison to each following decade) it begs the question – how long have human beings been measuring climate conditions? A mathematician would suggest that more data over time needs to be accrued before a more accurate result can be delivered – but then it could be too late, right? Better to be concerned now than shitting bricks later!

Phil Clarke
May 23, 2010 11:14 am

David Ball
Apparently Phil Clarke also endorses the behavior of DePrpagandaBlog. Lack of response to the libelous statements made about Dr. Tim Ball on that blog seem to be ok with him, judging by his lack of response.
David – generally speaking I prefer it if people do not ascribe opinions to me based on things I haven’t said. There must be a couple of dozen links in this post – you cannot infer a thing from the fact that I have not passed comment on any, each or all of them….
But, since you ask, I read the piece: perhaps you could expand on what is libellous? You will be aware of Dr Ball’s previous failed libel suit in which he launched and then abandoned a $325K defamation suit after the defendant responded, among other things ” (d) The Plaintiff is viewed as a paid promoter of the agenda of the oil and gas industry rather than as a practicing scientist.” ….
http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/Calgary%20Herald%20Statement%20of%20Defence.pdf
Regarding my ‘spanking’ – it might have hurt a bit more if the one handing it out had not had to resort to complete fabrications 😉

Michael Larkin
May 23, 2010 11:19 am

Good article, Willis, as usual.
Just one small point: as “people” is a collective noun, isn’t the possessive form “people’s” and not “peoples'”? The latter might, however, be the possessive form of “peoples” as in “the peoples of the earth”.