Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I just got my printed copy of the May 7th issue of Science Magazine, and I read their Editorial. This is the issue that contained the now-infamous Letter to the Editor with the Photoshopped image of a polar bear on an ice floe. An alternate version of that Photoshopped image is below:
Figure 1. Photoshopped version of a Photoshopped image of a Photoshopped Polar bear.
So is the Editorial as one-sided as the Letter? Surprisingly, no. There are some excellent ideas and statements in it … but it contains some egregious errors of fact, and some curious assertions and exaggerations. I have emphasised in bold those interesting parts below. First, the Editorial:
Stepping Back; Moving Forward
Brooks Hanson
Brooks Hanson is Deputy Editor for physical sciences at Science.
The controversial e-mails related to climate change, plus reported errors in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports, have spurred a dangerous deterioration in the rational relation between science and society. One U.S. senator has called 17 prominent climate scientists criminals, and pundits have suggested that climate scientists should commit suicide. Fourteen U.S. states have filed lawsuits opposing the federal regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, some asserting that “climate change science is a conspiracy.” South Dakota even resolved that there are other “astrological” forcings on climate. Scientists have been barraged by hateful e-mails. The debate has become polarized, and the distrust of scientists and their findings extends well beyond climate science. What can be done to repair society’s trust in science? A broader perspective is needed on all sides.
The main societal challenges—global energy supply, growing the food supply, and improving public health, among others—depend intimately on science, and for this reason society requires a vigorous scientific enterprise. Our expanding global economy is taxing resources and the environment in ways that cannot be sustained. Science provides a deep understanding of these impacts and, as a result, the ability to predict consequences and assess risks.
Addressing anthropogenic climate change exemplifies the challenges inherent in providing critical scientific advice to society (see the Policy Forum on p. 695 and Letter on p. 689). Climate is as global as today’s economy; we know from archaeological and historical records that an unstable climate has disrupted societies. For these reasons, scientists and governments are jointly committed to understanding the impacts of climate change. Thousands of scientists have volunteered for the IPCC or other assessments. Governments have a vested interest in the success of these assessments, and the stakes are high.
We thus must move beyond polarizing arguments in ways that strengthen this joint commitment. The scientific community must recognize that the recent attacks stem in part from its culture and scientists’ behavior. In turn, it is time to focus on the main problem: The IPCC reports have underestimated the pace of climate change while overestimating societies’ abilities to curb greenhouse gas emissions.
Scientists must meet other responsibilities. The ability to collect, model, and analyze huge data sets is one of the great recent advances in science and has made possible our understanding of global impacts. But developing the infrastructure and practices required for handling data, and a commitment to collect it systematically, have lagged. Scientists have struggled to address standardizing, storing, and sharing data, and privacy concerns. Funding must be directed not only toward basic science but toward facilitating better decisions made with the data and analyses that are produced. As a start, research grants should specify a data curation plan, and there should be a greater focus on long-term monitoring of the environment.
Because society’s major problems are complex, generating useful scientific advice requires synthesizing knowledge from diverse disciplines. As the need for synthesis grows, the avenues of communication are changing rapidly. Unfortunately, many news organizations have eviscerated their science staffs. As a result, stories derived from press releases on specific results are crowding out the thoughtful syntheses that are needed.
If the scientific community does not aggressively address these issues, including communicating its process of discovery and recognizing its modern data responsibilities, and if society does not constructively engage science, then the scientific enterprise and the whole of society are in danger of losing their crucial rational relationship. Carl Sagan’s warnings are especially apt today: “We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.” “This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.”
So, what’s wrong with the statements I highlighted in bold? Well, they’re not true. Let’s look at them one by one.
One U.S. senator has called 17 prominent climate scientists criminals…
Presumably, this refers to the Senate Minority Report by Senator Inhofe. However, he did not call 17 climate scientists criminals. In fact he does not use that word at all in connection with scientists. Instead, he made a much more nuanced series of statements:
In our view, the CRU documents and emails reveal, among other things, unethical and potentially illegal behavior by some of the world’s preeminent climate scientists.
and:
The released CRU emails and documents display unethical, and possibly illegal, behavior. The scientists appear to discuss manipulating data to get their preferred results. On several occasions they appear to discuss subverting the scientific peer review process to ensure that skeptical papers had no access to publication. Moreover, there are emails discussing unjustified changes to data by federal employees and federal grantees.
These and other issues raise questions about the lawful use of federal funds and potential ethical misconduct.
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Minority Staff has identified a preliminary sampling of CRU emails and documents which seriously compromise the IPCC-backed “consensus” and its central conclusion that anthropogenic emissions are inexorably leading to environmental catastrophes, and which represent unethical and possibly illegal conduct by top IPCC scientists, among others.
So Brooks Hanson starts out with a false and misleading statement. Inhofe did not “call 17 prominent climate scientists criminals”, that’s simply not true. He said that some of their actions appeared to be possibly illegal … and me, I’d have to agree with the Senator.
On the other side of the pond, whether some of them were criminals was addressed by the UK Parliament Committee, who said:
There is prima facie evidence that CRU has breached the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It would, however, be premature, without a thorough investigation affording each party the opportunity to make representations, to conclude that UEA was in breach of the Act. In our view, it is unsatisfactory to leave the matter unresolved simply because of the operation of the six- month time limit on the initiation of prosecutions.
So it was only because the Statute of Limitations on any criminal offenses had expired that there were no criminal investigations of the acts … sounds like a validation of Senator Inhofe’s claim of “possibly illegal” to me …
… pundits have suggested that climate scientists should commit suicide.
Presumably, this refers to Glen Beck’s statement that:
There’s not enough knives. If this, if the IPCC had been done by Japanese scientists, there’s not enough knives on planet Earth for hara-kiri that should have occurred. I mean, these guys have so dishonored themselves, so dishonored scientists.
I find no other “pundits” who have “suggested that climate scientists should commit suicide”. Nor did Beck. He said that if the IPCC scientists who made the errors and misrepresentations were Japanese, they would have committed suicide from the shame. Now that may or may not be true, but is not a call for American scientists to act Japanese, even Beck knows that’s not possible.
Fourteen U.S. states have filed lawsuits opposing the federal regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, some asserting that “climate change science is a conspiracy.”
I find no State (or any other) lawsuits making this claim against climate scientists, although I might have missed them. Curiously, there was a case (Ned Comer, et al. v. Murphy Oil USA) where the claim was made the other way around, that there was a “civil conspiracy” among the oil companies to deny climate change. But I find nothing the other way.
I suspect that Brooks Hanson is referring (incorrectly) to the Resolution passed in Utah that states:
WHEREAS, emails and other communications between climate researchers around the globe, referred to as “Climategate,” indicate a well organized and ongoing effort to manipulate global temperature data in order to produce a global warming outcome;
Of course, this was a resolution, not a lawsuit. I don’t know if that claim is true or not, although the CRU emails show that there certainly was a “well organized and ongoing effort” to conceal the data regarding global temperature, and to affect the IPCC reports in an unethical and possibly illegal fashion.
South Dakota even resolved that there are other “astrological” forcings on climate.
Here’s the actual text of the South Dakota Bill:
That there are a variety of climatological, meteorological, astrological, thermological, cosmological, and ecological dynamics that can effect world weather phenomena and that the significance and interrelativity of these factors is largely speculative.
I suspect that this was a simple error, and that what was meant was “astronomical” rather than “astrological”. This is supported by their use of “thermological” for “thermal”, as “thermology” is the science of using detailed thermal images of the human body to diagnose disease … I doubt they meant that. It is also supported by their use of “effect” rather than “affect”. I’d say very poor English skills, yes … astrology, no.
Scientists have been barraged by hateful e-mails.
Barraged by mails? Hey, it’s worse than emails, it’s public calls for action:
James Hansen of NASA wanted trials for climate skeptics, accusing them of high crimes against humanity.
Robert Kennedy Jr. called climate skeptics traitors .
Yvo de Boer of the UN called climate skepticism criminally irresponsible .
David Suzuki called for politicians who ignore climate science to be jailed.
DeSmogBlog’s James Hoggan wants skeptics treated as war criminals (video).
Grist called for Nuremberg trials for skeptics.
Joe Romm said that skeptics would be strangled in their beds.
A blogger at TPM pondered when it would be acceptable to execute climate deniers .
Heidi Cullen of The Weather Channel called for skeptical forecasters to be decertified.
Bernie Sanders compared climate skeptics to Nazi appeasers..
And Greenpeace threatened unspecified reprisals against unbelievers, saying:
If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.
And we be many, but you be few.
And Brooks Hanson is worried about emails, and falsely accuses Senator Inhofe of calling climate scientists criminals? What’s wrong with this picture?
The IPCC reports have underestimated the pace of climate change …
Say what? I’d have to ask for citations on this one. There has been no statistically significant warming in the last 15 years, Arctic sea ice is recovering, climate changes are within natural variation … and he claims the pace has been “underestimated” by the IPCC? Sorry, I don’t buy that one in the slightest.
As a start, research grants should specify a data curation plan …
Lack of plans is not the problem. The main grantor of climate science funds in the US, the National Science Foundation, has very clear regulations about the archiving of climate data … but they simply ignore them. And to make it worse, they continue funding scofflaw scientists who ignore them. Science Magazine and Nature Magazine have very clear policies about data archiving … but they don’t ask authors to follow them whenever they feel like it. The problem is not a lack of “data curation plans” as Hanson claims. It is that the people in charge of those plans have been looking the other way, even when people like myself and many others have asked them to enforce their policies and plans and rules. Those kinds of actions simply reinforce the public idea that all of climate science is a scam and a conspiracy. I don’t think it is either one … but man, some of the AGW supporters in positions of scientific power are sure doing their best to make it look that way …
Now, given all of that, what in the editorial did I like? There were several statements that I felt were very important:
We thus must move beyond polarizing arguments in ways that strengthen this joint commitment. The scientific community must recognize that the recent attacks stem in part from its culture and scientists’ behavior.
I could not agree more. The problems are not the result of some mythical Big-Oil funded climate skeptics public relations machine. They are the result of scientific malfeasance on a large scale by far too many of the top climate scientists. People are enraged by this, as there are few things that raise peoples’ ire more than knowing that they have been duped and misled. And the climate science community is the only one that can fix that.
If the scientific community does not aggressively address these issues, including communicating its process of discovery and recognizing its modern data responsibilities, and if society does not constructively engage science, then the scientific enterprise and the whole of society are in danger of losing their crucial rational relationship.
Well put. The problem is not that Inhofe has said some actions by top climate scientists are unethical and possibly illegal. The problem is that some top scientists acted in unethical and possibly illegal ways. The problem is not that people are sending hateful emails to scientists. It is that climate scientists have poisoned the well by publicly calling for the trial of people with whom they disagree, and then want to complain that people are being mean to them. The problem is not that states are taking to the law to fight bad science, it is that the bad science is so entrenched, and the peer review system has become so much of an old-boys club, that the only way to fight it is in the courts.
This is the crux of the matter for climate scientists who wish to restore the lost trust: do honest, transparent, ethical science, and let the results fall where they may. Stop larding “scientific” papers with pounds of “might” and “could” and “may” and “possibly” and “conceivably”, we don’t care about your speculations, we want your science. Stop underestimating the errors and overestimating the certainty. Stop making up the “scary scenarios” advocated by Stephen Schneider. Stop calling for trials for people who don’t follow the party line.
And most of all, climate scientists need to learn to say those “three little words”.
You know how women are always hoping that guys will say those three little words, “I love you”? It’s like the old joke, “You know how to get rid of cockroaches? … Ask them for a commitment.” Those are the three little words that men find hard to say.
In climate science, the three little words that climate scientists find hard to say, the three little words they need to practice over and over are “We don’t know”.
We don’t know what the climate will be like in a hundred years. We don’t know what the climate sensitivity is, or even if the concept of a linear climate sensitivity relating temperature and forcing is a valid concept. We don’t know if the earth will start to warm or start to cool after the end of this current 15-year period of neither warming nor cooling. We don’t know if a rise in temperature will be a net gain or a net loss for the planet. There are heaps of things we don’t know about the climate, and the general public knows that we don’t know them.
Climate science is a new science, one of the newest. We have only been studying climate extensively for a quarter century or so, and it is an incredibly difficult field of study. The climate is a hugely complex, driven, chaotic, resonant, constructal, terawatt-scale planetary heat engine. It contains five major subsystems (atmosphere, hydrosphere, biosphere, lithosphere, and cryosphere), none of which are well understood. Each of these subsystems has a host of forcings, resonances, inter-reservoir transfers, cycles, and feedbacks which operate both internally and between the subsystems. The climate has important processes which operate on spatial scales from atomic to planet-wide, and on temporal scales from nanoseconds to millions of years. Our present state of knowledge of that system contains more unknowns than knowns. Here is my own estimation of the current state of our climate knowledge, which some of you may have seen:
In this situation, the only honest thing a climate scientist can do is to do the best, clearest, and cleanest science possible; to be totally transparent and reveal all data and codes and methods; to insist that other climate scientists practice those same simple scientific principles; and to say “we don’t know” rather than “might possibly have a probabilistic chance of maybe happening” for all the rest. That is the only path to repairing the lost trust between the public and climate science.
Oh, yeah, and one more thing … apply those principles to scientific editorials as well. Don’t exaggerate, and provide some citations for scientific editorials, trying to trace these vague claims is both boring and frustrating …


Steven, Willis mis-quoted. The correct statements are debatable, but there’s no point in debating what people didn’t say.
And the difference is substantial. Both Hansen and RK spoke of prosecuting firms that have been responsible for putting large amounts of CO2 in the air, which they believe is harmful to humanity. You may think it isn’t, but if it is accepted that it is, legal consequences are normally considered. That’s different to prosecuting people who express sceptic views.
It’s now true (with exemptions) that putting large amounts of DDT in the environment will get you prosecuted. There are no sanctions on those (sceptics) who express the view that DDT is not harmful, and none are proposed.
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Gail Combs writes perceptively of the fact that the warmists’ campaign against the combustion of petrochemicals has resulted in declines in the availability (and therefore increases in the prices) of foodstuffs all over the world.
This is most grievous in those areas of the world where people are the poorest, and closest to the brink of starvation. Literally, the AGW fraudsters have been killing people, and they’re intent upon killing hundreds of millions more.
Congratulations. These bastiches are preserving our descendants from drowning in the supposedly rising oceans. They’re knocking ’em off today, by way of kwashiorkor in infancy, marasmus in childhood, and general protein-calorie malnutrition if they survive past the age of puberty. Not to mention the wealth of infectious diseases that carry off people of any age who can’t keep their plasma albumin levels above the lower threshold of normal.
But Gail Combs fails her saving roll against sanity when she complains that
Yep. And think about all those buggywhip manufacturers who were driven to suicide by Henry Ford and all those other automobile manufacturers.
Why should Gail Combs – an otherwise sensible person – suddenly blow chunks by stumping for autarky in the guise of “National ‘food sovereignty’“? Is she unfamiliar with the discussion of the benefits of trade voiced by Adam Smith in An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations ?
If the taxpayers of these United States (and Canada, and Argentina, and other high-productivity farming nations) have been conned into subsidizing Big Agribusiness – and that we surely have, courtesy predominantly of the Republican faction of America’s big, bipartisan, wanna-be-permanently-incumbent Boot-On-Your-Neck Party – should not the people of the poorer nations be allowed to take advantage of this idiocy, and buy more cheaply the feed corn, wheat, barley, rice, and derivatives of this bounty, instead of being constrained by tariffs and quotas to pour their life’s blood into the pockets of farmers who happen to be their countrymen?
Every tariff, folks, is a measure designed to screw the consumer. Always has been that way, always will. Good heavens, if you want to consider the real cause of America’s “Civil War” (which was not a civil war in any way whatsoever), look to the Republicans’ hideous Morrill Tariff, which was structured to impose fully 80% of the revenue burden of the federal government at that time upon the people of the southern and midwestern agricultural states.
Damn. No wonder Ohio teetered on the brink of secession through much of the early part of that war of violent aggression on the part of the northern magnates. They were being screwed just as viciously as their countrymen in the south.
Bear in mind that Ft. Sumter was a customs collection point designed to choke traffic into and out of Charleston Harbor, the busiest port in South Carolina, which was, in turn, not only the first state to secede but the polity with fifth largest economy in the world at that time, and all over the northern mercantilist states there was a clamor for violent enforcement of the Morrill Tariff against the southern and northwestern rural populations. Take a good look into Lincoln’s first inaugural address, in which he states:
In other words, “pay the Morrill Tariff, you surly brutes, or there will be bloodshed and violence!”
Just a little example to clarify the real meaning of tariffs. Everybody sees the glazier fixing the broken bakeshop window, and forgets about every goddam thing else.
People in poor countries need access to cheaper foodstuffs. If farmers in India are committing suicide because they can’t get a living out of their endlessly-parceled-out-to-succeeding-generations-of-sons clapped-out agricultural lands, that’s all sad ‘n stuff, but how the hell does preventing the rest of the people in India from coming within reach of a decent meal do any good whatsoever?
Tariffs and quotas and “National ‘food sovereignty’.”
Pfaugh!
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Phil Clarke says:
May 22, 2010 at 2:29 pm
You are right, I didn’t supply a link, I added the info at the end of writing it all and I didn’t notice that. So send protestors to my house …
You say that Greenpeace advocating protests at someone’s house “doesn’t pass the laugh test” … then you give us an example of it happening. How does that work? I didn’t find it funny at all.
Here’s another Greenpeace action …
These guys live on the ship, it is their home, and that means nothing to the Greenpeace folks. As a longtime commercial fisherman, I can assure you that a boat is private property, and is the home for the folks living aboard. But that means nothing to Greenpeace, they illegally storm boats all the time. Doesn’t always go well, though …
So when Greenpeace says “We know where you work, we know where you live, we are many and you are few”, I take it seriously.
And yes, Greenpeace backed down as the result of a storm of protest. Perhaps that impresses you, but backing down when people are outraged by your actions merely means that your actions were outrageous.
Finally, it was a Greenpeace communication, done by one of their employees on their web site.
Next, you find fault with a few of my examples … but you neglect to mention Jim Hansen, arguably the most visible supporter of the AGW hypothesis, calling for some skeptics to be put on trial. You don’t discuss Suzuki, the best known Canadian AGW supporter, calling for skeptics to be jailed. That has not been atypical of AGW comments, not on blogs, but by people like Hansen and Suzuki and other prominent folks. You want to get outraged now? Where was your outrage when they were saying those things?
And Hanson wants us to feel sorry for the poor scientists who have gotten abusive emails? Bro’, I’ve been called every name in the book, it comes with the territory. If the scientists can’t stand the heat, they should get out of the kitchen. I don’t agree with sending vitriolic emails, but going over the line to make a case that we should deprive the third world of inexpensive energy means hundreds of thousands of deaths … a little outrage over that, while reprehensible, is certainly understandable. And publicly calling for your scientific opponents to be tried and jailed is absolutely inexcusable, it is orders of magnitude worse than the nasty emails that they might get in response.
ShrNfr says:
May 22, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Climate change forced them to change their habitat ..
Rich Matarese says:
May 22, 2010 at 9:46 am
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Anent suicide for the CRU correspondents….
Hm. Let me evoke Mencken (by way of his essay “Under the Elms”), with the understanding that where he writes “college presidents,” we read: “AGW fraudsters.”….
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But are the two really any different?
davidmhoffer says:
May 22, 2010 at 11:39 am
Brooks Hansen;
The debate has become polarized, and the distrust of scientists and their findings extends well beyond climate science.>>
It does? Like some examples maybe? What field of science is it that has cherry picked, twisted, invented and destroyed data in such a fashion? What other field of science has proclaimed its conclusions settled, and that contrary opinion should be illegal? What other branch of science has predicted the end or the world, yet not one single one of its proponents are abandoning their homes to move to the 1% of the world they predict will survive? What other branch of science are we speaking of when we say “beyond climate science”.?
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Actually a couple of days ago a medical doctor commented on this site about how twisted ‘peer-reviewed” medical science now is thanks to the funding coming from the big medical houses. Another example of money, power, greed and a hidden agenda corrupting science.
Unfortunately hidden agenda plus money usually wins over honesty. If you are not a “team player” you are too dangerous and find yourself out the door and perhaps blackballed to boot. That goes in any field of science not just climate science.
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Willis Eschenbach says:
May 22, 2010 at 11:54 am
…..To me, this hijacking of the legitimate concern for the environment and for biodiversity by the climate/CO2 hysteria is one of the great tragedies of the century. …
But because the same people legitimately concerned about these real issues are often so shrill and alarmist about the imaginary terrors and horrors of CO2, the whole question of those very real problems has been badly tainted by association. The damage that this has done and will continue to do is incalculable.”
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It is actually worse than that. Not only are funds that could have been used for research into this problems diverted into nonsense psyience but we have a whole new generation of researchers learning to do shoddy work like the Lake Tanganyika study.“Just blame Global Warming and do not bother to actually LOOK for the real factors involved” This s the new method being taught.
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Damn, I hate HTML errors. What should have been submitted above was:
Every tariff, folks, is a measure designed to screw the consumer. Always has been that way, always will. Good heavens, if you want to consider the real cause of America’s “Civil War” (which was not a civil war in any way whatsoever), look to the Republicans’ hideous Morrill Tariff, which was structured to impose fully 80% of the revenue burden of the federal government at that time upon the people of the southern and midwestern agricultural states.
Damn. No wonder Ohio teetered on the brink of secession through much of the early part of that war of violent aggression on the part of the northern magnates. They were being screwed just as viciously as their countrymen in the south.
Bear in mind that Ft. Sumter was a customs collection point designed to choke traffic into and out of Charleston Harbor, the busiest port in South Carolina, which was, in turn, not only the first state to secede but the polity with fifth largest economy in the world at that time, and all over the northern mercantilist states there was a clamor for violent enforcement of the Morrill Tariff against the southern and northwestern rural populations. Take a good look into Lincoln’s first inaugural address, in which he states:
In other words, “pay the Morrill Tariff, you surly brutes, or there will be bloodshed and violence!”
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And so did Lincoln – “The American Lenin” – arrange things.
As for Karl Marx’s argument that the Morrill Tariff only succeeded the secession of the southern states, be it observed that this piece of legislative legerdemain had been in train for years prior to the break in 1861, and the people of the southern and midwestern states had seen it coming. Lincoln, in fact, was nominated in Chicago’s convention by the Republicans because he was – in the words of one political wheelhorse, “a good Clay Whig” (meaning an adherent of Henry Clay’s “American Sustem” of protectionism, pork, and currency debauchment; see the movie Young Mr. Lincoln (1939) for that famous stump speech quotation which expressed Lincoln’s lifelong adherence to the Whigs’ predatory intentions).
The people of the southern states knew good and goddam well what was coming when Lincoln got elected. No wonder they determined to throw down their cards and leave the crooked game that had been set up to pillage them.
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REPLY: Someday we should all show up at Hoggan’s office with protest signs and cream pies. 😉 – Anthony ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Thank you , Anthony. It is a great idea, but I would much rather just continue playing out more rope for them. They are dancing around now like my 6 year old when he has to pee.
ShrNfr says:
May 22, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Gentlemen, you cartoonist has been infected by the bacteria globius warmius and is thus suffering severe mental delusions. Polar bears do not eat penguins. Penguins are found at the south pole. Polar bears are found at the north pole. The correct animal to to have the polar bear roast is a seal.
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And you have no sense of the ridiculous. Given that the original Ice floe came photo-shopped with either a penguin OR a polar bear the cartoon is very very appropriate.
Maybe “astrology” is more appropriate than “astronomy” given that the first is rather more based on models than actual real world observations. Bit like AGW climate science.
My neighbor asks me if it’s true that Greenland is melting.
I thought about it, and replied:
If Greenland melts, and we continue to freeze here in N. Calif., the name of the next big TV show will be
Who Wants to be a Viking, with your host, Regis Philbin.
Nigel Harris says:
May 22, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Current 15 year period of neither warming nor cooling.
http://woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/last:180/plot/uah/last:180/trend
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You forgot the error bars: see A J Strata in his analysis of error in temperature measurements stated:
“…I am going to focus this post on two key documents that became public with the recent whistle blowing at CRU. The first document concerns the accuracy of the land based temperature measurements, which make up the core of the climate alarmists claims about warming. When we look at the CRU error budget and error margins we find a glimmer of reality setting in, in that there is no way to detect the claimed warming trend with the claimed accuracy….”
Nick,
I fail to see any relevant difference here:
“James Hansen of NASA wanted trials for climate skeptics, accusing them of high crimes against humanity.”
No he didn’t (and your link is wrong). He said:
” Instead of moving heavily into renewable energies, fossil companies choose to spread doubt about global warming, as tobacco companies discredited the smoking-cancer link. Methods are sophisticated, including disguised funding to shape school textbook discussions.
CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.”
These CEO’s are climate skeptics. Willis said that hansen suggest that ‘climate skeptics’ be put on trial.
Am I to take your defense of Hansen to be this.
Hansen didnt say climate skeptic, he said CEO who spreads doubt about global warming? Is your defense that hansen knows these men are spreading doubt when they believe that AGW is a danger? Are you saying he knows they believe C02 to be really harmful. I’ll put it this way. Your quote about hansen made a better case against him. He is claiming to know what these men think and believe. motive hunting in the worst fashion. he is misrepresenting their motive toward alternative fuels.. So not only is he saying that skeptics ( in this case CEOs) should be put on trial he is doing so on the basis of his esp.
Hint. nobody is AWARE of the long term consequences. We have predictions of what those consequences may or may not be but nobody is AWARE of those consequences. Now, if I had been a car wreck after driving fast, I would be aware of the dangers of driving fast. But no reasonable person can argue that we are aware of the consequences of climate change. Tobacco companies of course were aware of the dangers of smoking.
Gail Combs;
If you are not a “team player” you are too dangerous and find yourself out the door and perhaps blackballed to boot. That goes in any field of science not just climate science.>>
That goes in any corporation, professional society, volunteer society, political party, any group of people large enough to have “teams” to play on and goals to pursue. This climate science thing is, in my opinion, in a league of itz own.
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Willis Eschenbach takes note of an episode in which a Greenpeace “activist,” upon boarding – uninvited and against the wishes of the crews – two fishing boats in Malta’s Grand Harbour, got pummeled and chucked overboard.
I take greatest interest in the quotation in the article cited by Willis“
Hm? Just what lawful authority has any member of Greenpeace to enter upon the private property of anyone in order “…to carry out an inspection“?
Do these people now conceive themselves to be the Green Police?
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While I believe that it is important to take care of the environment, we cannot become too silly about how we go about it.
Joe says:
May 22, 2010 at 5:18 pm
No such thing as centrifugal force. Now, if you were to talk about centripetal force ….
Rich Matarese says:
May 22, 2010 at 6:54 pm
….But Gail Combs fails her saving roll against sanity when she complains that
“…thanks to NAFTA and WTO peasant farmers in third world countries have been driven bankrupt by cheap subsidized US and EU grain coupled….
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I would agree with you except for one minor detail. Think about how a big corporation operates. I saw it in action a couple of years ago.
Podunk Feed, a Mom & Pop outfit, supplies feed to to the town of Podunk. Big Ag Feed wants the business. They build a nice new store and price their feed below Podunk Feed. For a year they go head to head with Podunk Feed until Podunk bankrupts and closes its doors. A few months later Big Ag Feed starts jacking up their prices until they are the highest priced feed store in the general area, but now you have to travel fifty miles to get a better price. This is a true story and is exactly what is happening world wide.
I have no problem with modern farm methods or competition, I do have a problem with a deliberate attempt to get a food monopoly with the intent of jacking up the prices at a later date. Dan Amstutz was VP of Cargill. He wrote the WTO Agreement on Agriculture in 1995 and the 1996 Farm Act that eliminated the USDA grain stores. This combined with the recent biofuel legislation lead to “the cupboard is bare” in 2008, starvation, food riots and record profits for Cargill and Monsanto.
The following quotes show the grain traders level of concern for other humans.
“In summary, we have record low grain inventories globally as we move into a new crop year. We have demand growing strongly. Which means that going forward even small crop failures are going to drive grain prices to record levels. As an investor, we continue to find these long term trends…very attractive.” Food shortfalls predicted: 2008 http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/dancy/2008/0104.html
“Recently there have been increased calls for the development of a U.S. or international grain reserve to provide priority access to food supplies for Humanitarian needs. The National Grain and Feed Association (NGFA) and the North American Export Grain Association (NAEGA) strongly advise against this concept..Stock reserves have a documented depressing effect on prices… and resulted in less aggressive market bidding for the grains.” July 22, 2008 letter to President Bush http://www.naega.org/images/pdf/grain_reserves_for_food_aid.pdf
“Throughout his very successful career Dan Amstutz represented and championed ideas and goals of NAEGA membership… The Amstutz Award is given by the North American Export Grain Association in honor of Dan Amstutz and in recognition of his outstanding and extraordinary service to the export grain and oilseed trade from the United States. Appropriately, the first recipient of this distinguished service award was Mr. Amstutz.” http://www.naega.org/amstutz/index.shtml
This is the type of monopoly I am talking about:
* 60 percent of terminal grain handling facilities are owned by four companies: Cargill, Cenex Harvest States, ADM and General Mills.
* 82 percent of corn exporting is concentrated in three companies: Cargill, ADM and Zen Noh.
* Beef packing is dominated by an 81 percent share among four companies: Tyson, ConAgra, Cargill and Farmland Nation.
* 61 percent of flour milling capacity is owned by four companies: ADM, ConAgra, Cargill and General Mills.
Statistics from FAO
Now combine that with new “food Safety” bills that effectively prevent a land owner from raising his own food. One bill HR 875 states this:
“in any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce required for jurisdiction SHALL BE PRESUMED TO EXIST.”
The Commerce Clause: A farmer growing wheat for his own use “The government claimed that if Mr. Filburn grew wheat for his own use, he would not be buying it — and that affected interstate commerce” The Supreme court found against the farmer. http://www.fff.org/freedom/0895g.asp
Therefore by invoking the Commerce Clause, any food bill will regulate ALL food grown in the USA, even that in home gardens.
Do you really want ten privately owned corporations to OWN the world food supply??? As far as I am concerned I am hoping Mr. Amstutz is now finding his just reward in the nine circles of Dante’s Inferno.
Even Bill Clinton now acknowledges treating food as a commodity was a mistake.
Bill Clinton Admits Global Free Trade Policy has Forced Millions Of People into Poverty.
“Today’s global food crisis shows we all blew it, including me when I was president, by treating food crops as commodities instead of as a vital right of the world’s poor, Bill Clinton has told a UN gathering.
Clinton took aim at decades of international policymaking by the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and others, encouraged by the US, that pressured Africans in particular into dropping government subsidies for fertiliser, improved seed and other farm inputs, in economic “structural adjustments” required to win northern aid. Africa’s food self-sufficiency subsequently declined and food imports rose.
“Food is not a commodity like others,” Clinton said. “We should go back to a policy of maximum food self-sufficiency. It is crazy for us to think we can develop countries around the world without increasing their ability to feed themselves.”
A more recent comment by Bill Clinton:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/with-cheap-food-imports-h_n_507228.html
Son of a gun, now we have polar bears in the antarctic eating fricaseed penguin. Amaaaazing. 🙂
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Finally, my great appreciation to Anthony Watts for his amazing site. To me, this is science at its finest, where ideas flow freely, no valid comments are censored, and claims are made and shot down at a rate of knots. Half of science is making claims, and the other half is falsifying those claims. This site excels at both.
On a not-completely-irrelevant note, according to a Guardian article (linked at Morano’s ClimateDepot) the UN, watching the IPCC go down the drain after trying unsuccessfully Global Warming and Ocean Acidification, is now getting ready to push Species Extinction and Habitat Preservation.
This after the atmosphere of Kyoto has utterly destroyed millions of hectares of countryside and habitat with enormous and utterly useless wind plants in Europe, the UK, North America, Australia, and even New Zealand. “Come along, boys, we’ve got to get a winner one day …”
Hey could it be that the spitted penguin the polar bears in the picture are roasting goes by the name TUX, if so I definitely smell a Redmond funded MS conspiracy brewing here -:)
You forgot to Photoshop in the FedEx guy who delivered the penguin 🙂
Willis Eschenbach says:
May 22, 2010 at 10:06 pm
“This post is now number 10 on the WordPress Blog of the Day site.”
And deservedly so. Another excellent post by you. That graphic of how little the baby science of global climatology actually does know puts it all into perspective.
And very encouraging that so many people are reading this post and this site in general. I could not agree with you more when you wrote:
“Finally, my great appreciation to Anthony Watts for his amazing site.”