Australia dumps Carbon Trading Scheme

WUWT reader Chris M Writes in Tips and Notes to WUWT

Have you noticed that the Australian PM, Kevin Rudd has dumped his CTS until at least 2012. This was his key platform at the last election, when he described global warming as “the greatest moral imperative of our time”.

click for article

How the times have changed.

Anyway, his Minister for Climate Change, Penny Wong, is too busy cleaning up after his botched home insulation scheme to be able to devote any time to climate change.

I recommend Dennis Shanahan’s excellent comment in The Australian newspaper http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/pm-delays-emissions-trading-scheme-as-inconvenient-political-truth/story-e6frg75f-1225858920473

========================

A scheme indeed. Well said Chris. Andrew Bolt has more: The greatest reversal of dud policies in our lifetime

Add this to the collapse of the Kerry-Leiberman-Graham bill in the U.S. Senate this week, and all of the sudden it’s been a really bad week for alarmists.

Of course anybody with half a brain can see that carbon trading is flatlining here in the USA.

Carbon is waaayy down from the high of over seven dollars a ton to ten cents a ton and has been at that level for months. The data is from the Gore-Pachauri sponsored Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX)

CCX CFI Vintage 2010 (Quoted in mt CO2)

Do I hear a nickel?

Advertisements

83 thoughts on “Australia dumps Carbon Trading Scheme

  1. These are dishonest people. They call the legislation climate legislation. They are no more than economic regulations. restrictions and blantant taxation.
    I do not see them causing trees in the sahara.
    Merkel and Germany are also in rapid retreat.

  2. I guess it will all trade out of Chicago courtesy of Goldman Sachs, Maurice Strong, and Al Gore with his Choo-choo medalist.

  3. Now is the time to apply pressure to the US congress. Write your congressperson today and demand that they pay attention to your concerns.

  4. Germany as well.
    From Der Spiegel International – April 26, 2010
    “Copenhagen Fallout”
    Merkel Abandons Aim of Binding Climate Agreement
    Frustrated by the climate change conference in December, German Chancellor Angela Merkel is quietly moving away from her goal of a binding agreement on limiting climate change to 2 degrees Celsius. She has also sent out signals at the EU level that she no longer supports the idea of Europe going it alone.
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,691194,00.html

  5. I will be having a great nights sleep at last!suspect KRudd knows he got it wrong, the massive public and political opposition, has him finally realising he backed the wrong issues, and above all he wants re election..only stalled it till 2012, remember.
    however a job in the UN appears to be his goal, so I guess he isnt that? worried..
    he should be.
    Peter Garrets been shown to be incompetant at his assigned tasks, and P Wrong is being a pr and damage controller, as is the Multi deparmented replacement for Garrets dept,Greg Combe.
    ?how many hats can one man wear?
    it,s all falling over, and I for one am very glad! by 2012 the Lies will be even more ridiculous, and obviously lies as to warming.and they will create another means to gain the money from the sheeple If? they can sucker enough again.
    will Gore et al refund the carbon credits paid already for no good reason..I bet they don’t!

  6. Regarding Merkel and Germany see: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,691194,00.html

    …Merkel will no longer endeavor to contractually implement the 2-degree target — in other words, to reach a legally binding agreement with specific reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. She doesn’t want to be snubbed again because she has realized that important countries won’t lend their support the next time around either. This was confirmed two weeks ago at the nuclear summit in Washington by Chinese President Hu Jintao and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
    The Limits of Germany’s Influence
    Germany now has to acknowledge the limits of its influence. The country’s climate policy was an attempt to play a leadership role on the grand stage. But the others didn’t follow suit. On paper they praise the objective, but they are not prepared to do more than make vague promises. The only way forward, it seems, is by taking side roads. But even there the Chinese and the Indians won’t simply trot along behind the Germans.
    On the domestic front, this threatens to bring down the great symbol of Germany’s efforts to remodel society in line with a climate-friendly lifestyle and mode of production. If Merkel is no longer fighting on the international stage to achieve the 2-degree target, how does she intend to convince her fellow Germans that they have to change anything? A domestic temperature target would be absurd.

  7. I hope someone is feeding these developments to US congress/senate, plus all the retrograde developments on “climate change” since climategate.

  8. There seem to be two things going on: political peril and some real skepticism about AGW, unvoiced, but creeping about.

  9. Kevin Rudd is full of it, I couldn’t believe when he stood up election night and started to go on and on and on about how they won because of people wanting environmental changes when the truth was that people had had a gut full of the Liberal party (previous government) work choices policies designed to screw working people over as far as the employer wanted.
    He didn’t give more than a foot notes worth of credit to winning due to work choices, I was utterly disgused at that point and things haven’t gotten any better since, besides the ETS you have Stephen Conroy on his little ego trip trying to “save the children” from themselves and filtering out every little thing he doesn’t like about everything, including some obscure denist’s website.

  10. I just emailed this piece to my Sen. and HReps. along with:
    PLM:
    HA! Now I get it!!! Obama has seen the KGL bill failing, along with any CAP/FRAUD bill and is attempting to replace the failing CCX in Chicago with the NYC banking/deriviatives market by making it too difficult for NYC banking to transact these products instead of correcting SEC Porn/Ineffectiveness (increasing pay/standards)!!!!! Guess Watt? Not just the Carbon Exchanges are failing, AGW arguments have failed the KGL bill is failing, and hopefully the GOP will be able to remake the “Financial Reform” bill into something constructive and proper steps will be taken to improve the economy, while not adding $trillions more to the debt!!!!
    Conspiracy theory? – never!

  11. I’m wondering who was left holding the bag? Someone made a fortune selling the credits.(Gore?) but someone had to end up with a bunch of them not worth ……..lol, well, not worth a dime. hahahahahaha
    P.S. Anthony, a “home” button would be nice up top.

  12. I’m quite sure that there are smiling salespeople out there all too happy to sell you Carbong Trading Shares at IPO prices when they can buy them for a buck a truckload.
    Anyone care to corner the market, now’s your chance.
    The paper alone might generate enough heat to keep you warm when the power goes out.

  13. It appears the blog has been overheated and reached a tipping point. Kewl new software is in order.

  14. krudd has made a goose of himself he though he was going to strut the world stage with AL Gore hand in hand .the only place he will strut is in his back yard with his side kick Penny Wong thay will make a good pair

  15. Kind of funny to watch Lindsey Graham stab his new friends in the back. I could have warned them that it’s kind of a habit with him.

  16. This is a start, but the fight isn’t over; there’s too much money at stake. Watch for “stealth” implementation of carbon restrictions, e.g. through regulatory action or seemingly innocuous attachments to popular legislation. Government has innumerable ways to separate its citizens from their money and their freedom. The more power we give our government to “help” us, the more power we give it to [self-snip] us.

  17. Politicians have to be pragmatic to survive, so good news that Oz, USA and now Germany are in retreat on carbon tax. Here’s hoping the rest of the EU see things the same way as Germany and also pull the plug.
    The causes of this sea change are not hard to see:-
    Global recession – less money to waste.
    Dollar and Euro in massive trouble due to Trillions of bank bail-out debt.
    Climategate.
    IPCCgate.
    CAGW in doubt and no longer urgent (“No statistically significant global warming for the last 15y.” -Dr. Phil Jones)
    W.U.W.T (and other less important CAGW sceptical Blogs).
    Public turning their back on the scam.
    Earth’s climate continues to fail to conform to IPCC doom-mongers predicted catastrophes and rubbish climate models.
    Nothing to see here folks, please move on…

  18. Having failed Copenhagen, different strategies are tried now:
    1. discredit sceptics as seen by the stupid HuPo piece and others
    2. the PIK (Potsdam whatever Institute) proposes a per capita emission limit worldwide. It is unbelievable:
    http://www.pik-potsdam.de/news/press-releases/a-global-limit-on-emissions-equal-per-capita-emissions-rights-and-201cpeak-and-trade201d-emissions-trading-for-the-201c2b0max-climate-strategy201d
    Each person gets an amount of emission assigned and has to deal with, can sell it to others who need more. It’s cap and trade on a personal level.
    But let us not ignore the consequences. The PIK boss is chief climate advisor of the German government. And Obama has similar advisors. So despite all facts, this bandwagon goes on and on.

  19. The politicians are finally feeling the wind of opinion is in their faces in stead of at their backs.
    The idiotologs will never change.

  20. Politicians have to be pragmatic to survive, so good news that Oz, USA and now Germany are in retreat on carbon tax. Here’s hoping the rest of the EU see things the same way as Germany and also pull the plug.
    The causes of this sea change are not hard to see:-
    Global recession – less money to waste.
    Dollar and Euro in massive trouble due to Trillions of bank bail-out debt.
    Climategate.
    IPCCgate.
    CAGW in doubt and no longer urgent (“No statistically significant global warming for the last 15y.” -Dr. Phil Jones of the CRU)
    W.U.W.T (and other less important CAGW sceptical Blogs).
    Public turning their back on the scam.
    Earth’s climate continues to fail to conform to IPCC doom-mongers predicted catastrophes and rubbish climate models.
    Nothing to see here folks, please move on…

  21. This must mean Merkel and Rudd are heretics?
    According to Gordon Brown we have only 14 months left before the tipping point is reached?

  22. Politicians have to be pragmatic to survive, so good news that Oz, USA and now Germany are in retreat on carbon tax. Here’s hoping the rest of the EU see things the same way as Germany and also pull the plug.
    The causes of this sea change are not hard to see:-
    Global recession – less money to waste.
    Dollar and Euro in massive trouble due to Trillions of bank bail-out debt.
    Climategate.
    IPCCgate.
    CAGW in doubt and no longer urgent (“No statistically significant global warming for the last 15y.” -Dr. Phil Jones-UEA CRU)
    W.U.W.T (and other less important CAGW sceptical Blogs).
    Public turning their back on the scam.
    Earth’s climate continues to fail to conform to IPCC doom-mongers predicted catastrophes and rubbish climate models.
    Nothing to see here folks, please move on…

  23. The key imperative for any politician is staying in office. Their policies and beliefs become structured to achieve that goal.

  24. Well there you go.
    Since 24 months ago we were told we only had 18 months, and we did nothing, the tipping point is past. Since nothing we can now do will save the planet, it would be pointless to do anything. Right? Right.
    I eagerly await the tipping. I can sorta feel us leaning a little now. After Guam tips right over, the other landmasses will follow. Why, just in the last few days I’ve noticed that we are having weather, which is a symptom of climate. As everyone knows, before humans started messing with it, the planet was all a nice constant climate with no weather, as clearly described in the Garden of Eden.

  25. Another thing about these carbon credits… Take a look at the trading volume. Zero volume and no open contracts, nor does it look like there were any since this started to “trade” on the exchange.
    Maybe when they go for a penny, someone will want to save the world?

  26. Don’t worry, because the UK has taken up the fight. Leading the world with a panopoly of feed-in tariffs, carbon reduction commitments, renewal obligation certificates and now Brown’s “low carbon apprenticeships,” the UK is well on the way to cornering the market in green jobs.

  27. Greece’s credit rating cut to junk status. Portugal also hit.
    There will be considerable thought in at least certain EU countries as to whether it makes sense to keep throwing money into cap & trade and making themselves less competitive while they are but a handful of countries actively trying to do something to stop a crisis that refuses to materialize based on “scientific research” that they can see has been (ab)used for political purposes.
    Saving the planet sure feels good. Having good food to eat and a comfortable place to live in feels better. Survival of the self trumps survival of the species.

  28. I like the Google Ad posting for this – “The Lowdown on Carbon, & Why the Market’s Poised To Explode. ” I think implode would be closer to the truth. That’s my two cents worth anyway …

  29. @ jaypan
    This new approach by the PIK looks to me, like an attempt to regain influence.
    In the paper the CO2 “allowance” per capita is supposed to be 5,1 MT p.a. So Brazil, India and China would (at the moment) benefit from it. Maybe this is an attempt to get them “into the boat” again. Anyway, when you watch what is going on at the moment in Germany, cap and trade seems to be “As dead as a Dodo”…
    I wrote a comment on that paper here (in German, sorry).
    BTW, Anthony, I like the new style. Maybe one suggestion. For WordPress there are tools available for HTML-Tags in comments, which insert a quicktag toolbar on the comment form. I use “Comment Form Quicktags” for my page and must say, I quite like it.

  30. Not like anyone here cares, but:
    “a poll by the Lowy Institute showed most Australians wanted the government to act on climate change but were not personally prepared to pay for it. The poll found that while 72 per cent of Australians agreed that Australia should take action to reduce carbon emissions before a global agreement is reached, 33 per cent were not prepared to pay anything extra on their electricity bill and 25 per cent were only prepared to pay $10 or less extra per month.”

  31. Australians are notorious for falling for popular themes they always have and have nearly always been wrong….Same goes for NZ by the way. It doesn’t really matter anyway, no one really cares what they think as they are miles away from anywhere LOL

  32. Thanks Anthony for helping generate this great victory!
    (sorry don’t like your new WUWT look, hard on the eyes, but I would cheerfully read purple text on puce background if you can keep on winning like this)

  33. “When the history of this Parliament, this nation and this century is written, 30 June 1999 will be recorded as a day of fundamental injustice – an injustice which is real, an injustice which is not simply conjured up by the fleeting rhetoric of politicians. It will be recorded as the day when the social compact that has governed this nation for the last 100 years was torn up.”
    Kevin Rudd, Hansard, June 30, 1999 on the Goods and Services Tax, upon which States could not now survive.

    When the history of this Parliament, this nation and this century is written, if 30 Jun 1999 was recorded as Fundamental Injustice Day then 27 April 2010 will be known as Fundamental Justice Day when the biggest scam ever conjured up by the fleeting rhetoric of politicians was torn up and the social compact that has governed this nation for hundreds of years was saved.

  34. This is why I shall be casting a vote for UKIP next week. They have the best policies on climate change and the official UKIP spokesperson on climate change is Lord Monkton.

  35. “The Australian”.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/mps-fear-kevin-rudd-losing-control/story-e6frgczf-1225859077497
    The price we were going to pay and the lies and spin that were served up to justify the carbon reduction scam by KRudd, Wong and Co.
    “The Prime Minister’s decision to delay the ETS will save billions in the May 11 federal budget, while the NSW government immediately said the predicted massive electricity price rises under the scheme would by much smaller.
    NSW Energy Minister John Robertson said energy price increases would be significantly smalled over the next three years in NSW because of the delay of the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme.
    Integral Energy price increases would now be about 20 per cent, compared with 46 per cent under the CPRS, and EnergyAustralia’s increases would be 36 per cent compared with 60 per cent.
    Country Energy electricity prices would rise 42 per cent rather than 44 per cent.
    Mr Robertson’s comments came despite Climate Change Minister Penny Wong saying last month: “Claims that the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme is driving electricity price rises in NSW from July this year are simply wrong.”

  36. Perhaps Rudd figured he’d made enough of a mess with his home insulation scheme (now defunct), to cut those nasty emissions. Rudd’s “brilliant” scheme resulted in four deaths, 120 house fires, 6,000 jobs lost, and $1 billion to clean up the mess.

  37. Just to give a little background missing here.
    The main (sole) reason the ETS has been dumped is that they couldn’t get it through the Senate. The Labor party which is in government in Australia doesn’t have the numbers to pass anything in the Senate, so they need the help of various independent Senators plus the Green party senators, and possibly one or two defectors from the main opposition Liberal party (liberal as in personal liberty, not as in democrat liberal). Ironically the Green party did not support the bill because it did not go far enough, but when push came to shove they were willing to sign anything that got the show on the road – the screws coudl be turned up later.
    This was all going well with the leader of the Liberal party agreeing with Kevin Rudd and cutting a deal to pass the legislation. But members of the Liberal party started grumbling as their inboxes started to fill up with email after email from the Australian public, imploring them to drop support for the scheme. The party started to fracture down the middle with the warmists vs skeptics. In the end a leadership vote was called, and the existing leader (Malcolm Turnbull) was dumped, and a new leader was elected (Tony Abbott). This happened in November, in the runup to Copenhagen and right about the time the climategate emails were revealed. The leadership ballot was won by a single vote.
    With a new leader in place, the Liberal party dumped it’s support for the ETS immediately and tore up any agreements with the government about passing the legislation. The bill was blocked in the Senate and Kevin Rudd went to Copenhagen without any legislation in place. Copenhagen turned out to be a farce anyway and solidified the opposition parties, well, opposition to the ETS. They also surged ahead in opinion polls, which showed that at least half the country was fed up with the Global Warming rhetoric and legislation. For their part, and to answer the critics, the opposition party put up a simple policy of basically planting more trees. This covers the ‘maybe something is wrong but we don’t want an ETS’ base of the electorate but is easily unfunded and removed as Government policy when climate change ceases to be an issue at all.
    In the first 3 months of 2010, the Government has been embroiled in scandal after scandal, the worst of which was it’s disastrous climate-related scheme of giving out free insulation for houses in Australia under the twin guises of ‘job creation’ and ‘saving the planet’. All you had to do was organise an installer and sign a piece of paper. The criminals, shysters and hucksters couldn’t believe their luck as 2 billion dollars worth of government cash was up for grabs. 10 house fires and 4 insulation worker deaths later, the scheme was dropped amidst admissions of widespread fraud, and will cost the government another 1 billion dollars to repair all the damage caused to houses by poor quality installations.
    So, in the background of all this, and in an election year, what was one the party centrepiece is now quietly dropped. Don’t believe the rhetoric about being pushed back to 2012 – this policy is dead and buried and, barring a major shift in public opinion, has the foul stench of political death about it.
    The headline would make you think that it’s because the policymakers no longer believe in it, or perhaps that they changed their minds. The reality is that it was a very close run thing and there would be an ETS by now had one or two politicians not been swayed by the arguments of a well-informed public.

  38. While he says he is delaying it we are still paying through the nose for power with massive ;power price hikes to come (60% over next two years). It’s duplicitous of K Rudd to say something is delayed whilst forcing people to pay for it in the meantime – it’s simply spin.

  39. Re kwik says: April 27, 2010 at 12:16 pm
    According to Gordon Brown we have only 14 months left before the tipping point is reached?

    His tipping point will hopefully be reached in less than 14 days. Although he and his useful idiots may then be consigned to the opposition, or unemployment it still leaves us the problem of the £18bn a year Climate Change Act, feed-in tariffs and other useless legislation.

  40. jeef says:
    Looks like poor old New Zealand are the only saps with an ETS on the statute books. Ah, the price of having a “Clean, Green” slogan.
    Yep. We get bounced between Criminal Corporate fascism and Criminal Corporate Socialism, on a 3 year rota.
    Uncle Helen (Labour) – previous overlord(statist and stalins love child), got the number three job at the UN for wrecking the country, now Uncle John (Tory, Former free market Trader/Traitor) is trying to finish the job.
    Sadly enough, some of the public get instant amnesia at election time, somehow believing that the liars on the Left/Right, are better than the liars on the Left/Right, because they’re pointing out the Lies that the liars on the Left/Right told.
    Then we vote in some Liars.
    Uncle John will probably edge towards dumping the ETS, or at least stealthing it into existing legislation, under a new guise.
    Mostly he does what he’s told when either the US or Mother England shakes his rattle, he may even bend over for Rudd if Rudd suggest something other than an ETS is its current form. At least something that wins an election and satisfies those who would be Emperors.
    As for clean and green, the only green left in Nu Zeeland is the diary cow poo going into the nations water ways, in a greed based rush to satisfy China’s lust for a western diet of Fat, Sugar, Fat, Artifical flavourings, Trans Fats and MSG.

  41. BRC (above) – it was 100 house fires, not 10.
    And thank god the crazy policy is not going to get up. The economy is already stuffed and the country is basically a huge great mine being dug up and shipped to China. The last thing we need is an incentive to kill whats left of other industries.

  42. Harry the Hacker says:
    April 27, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    “BRC (above) – it was 100 house fires, not 10.
    And thank god the crazy policy is not going to get up. The economy is already stuffed and the country is basically a huge great mine being dug up and shipped to China. The last thing we need is an incentive to kill whats left of other industries.”
    Am I the only one wondering why the English speaking part of the world has lost its mind in the last few decades? I believe if it wasn’t for us, (the U.S., Au, Can, and G.B., in no particular order of importance regarding this issue) then this whole CAGW thing wouldn’t exist(at least on the level it does). Capitalist democracies, each nation with a history of unique (and stubborn) individualism. Yet, we’ve adopted a herd mentality, hell bent on exporting our wealth(and all the goodies with it such as “standard of living”) to developing nations and firm in our belief that collectively we can alter our climate. I never once thought the word “consensus” would hold any meaning to any of our cultures.

  43. Harsh, Fitzy. harsh, but fair! Completely agree on the politics side you presented – very well put. Left vs Right is so last century now. Fingers crossed something new will appear to save us, but on balance of probability I won’t be holding my breath. I will, however, be writing regularly to my MP demanding information on why ETS is necessary, where the money will go and why NIWA continues to fudge it’s temperature figures. I urge you to do the same! Only local activism is any good at changing complacency.

  44. As an Australian I see Kevin Rudd’s near perfect execution of the “Back flipping weasel” as both good and bad news. The judges seem to have given it a 9.5. I was greatly amused at the rage expressed on ABC television, both the evening news and the 7.30 Report dredged up all the old embarrassing footage, trashing Rudd, but at the same time accidentally trashing the AGW hoax. Lame Stream Media outrage was such that they forgot to use the new spin; CPRS (carbon pollution reduction scheme), and instead reverted to ETS (now widely referred to as the Enormous Tax Scam)
    The good news is the damage done to Kevin Rudd’s little remaining credibility on climate issues. The announcement will also shake up those involved in green energy and green jobs scams. There should also be fallout for governments supporting the hoax overseas.
    The bad news is that Rudd has slunk away from having his climate policies subjected to a democratic vote at the next election. Further bad news is that the ETS is only delayed. This is almost as economically damaging as introducing the huge new tax. Our industrial society depends on energy. A delay, rather than total abandonment and groveling apology, leaves the threat of capricious taxation hanging over the energy sectors head. This affects confidence in energy investment, a factor that is damaging to industrialized economies around the world.
    I believe that letting politicians slink away from the AGW hoax as they do from other gross malfeasance is dangerous. Without a short sharp end to this hoax, confidence in energy investment will remain low, children will continue to be indoctrinated and the door will remain open to future Post Normal Science scams by the same fellow travelers.

  45. The problem is that almost three-quarters of Oz agreed (only a short while ago) that Australia should take action to reduce carbon emissions before a global agreement is reached. This is the power of propaganda.
    Years from now historians will refer to it as the ‘great delusion’, but it will be up to us in ‘real time’ to show the populace it’s been folly. A formidable task, with lots of laughs along the way.

  46. El Gordo – the great delusion or the great green delusion. It will be called the age of the watermelons. I actually think the public is vehemently opposed to the green religion and that the ‘polls’ are quite tainted. I cannot find a person who supports it or labor and most of my friends are previous labor voters.

  47. jeef says:
    April 27, 2010 at 5:38 pm
    “…NIWA continues to fudge it’s temperature figures.”
    And How!
    Thats the great thing about being world leaders at being POST NORMAL, its a rush to the bottom, winner Fakes all.
    Seriously though, you’d think NIWA would gear itself up to keep the Rural economy going at the least,…say,…a split stream weather scheme – Global warming for the city slickers (sorry kids, you’re all gonna die), maunder minimum for the rural folks. (Keep it just between us, ok farmers?)
    The farmers rely on those jokers to get it right more often than not, i’d love to get the cow cockies take on the climate, especially since an ETS could [SELF SNIP] them right in the [SN…..] er wallet. Curiously, National was traditionally about the Rural backbone of NZ, now its hand in hand with a mismash of failed Keynesian bubble scams meets Greenzilla.
    I imagine its much the same in the U.S, U.K, OZ, CANADIA….
    Compounding the misery is the deep seated need our local politicians have, to run an OBAMA style campaign, to be slavishly adored by our public, to be intimately embraced by those who would be Emperors abroad, and generally lead the world in “something, something, Green,….something, something,…Rugby”
    Sadly all political parties in our small but pert country have failed to connect with the fact people are now capable of voting with their heads, all the while peddling “Change we can be Aggrieved In.”

  48. jeef says:
    April 27, 2010 at 5:38 pm
    “Only local activism is any good at changing complacency.”
    Absolutely!
    Ironic how the Gobal village turned back into a local village, its as if the unintended outcome of Globalism, was to make people value what they have at home all the more. Odd that transnationalism leads to greater Nationalism.
    Konrad says:
    April 27, 2010 at 5:50 pm
    “I believe that letting politicians slink away from the AGW hoax as they do from other gross malfeasance is dangerous. ”
    Exactly, this may be a case of hit em with the overt campaign, when they refuse that, pretend to drop it and sneak it in the back door.
    I had enough of political back-door antics.

  49. Quote from the BBC article:
    “But Mr Abbott accused Mr Rudd of a lack of credibility over the policy reversal.
    ‘It seems the government has dropped its policy to deal with climate change because it is frightened the public think that this really is just a great big new tax on everything,’ ABC News quoted him as saying.”
    I think that that hits the nail on the head.

  50. Don’y worry about the Carbon Trading tax being dropped until 2013, Rudd is clearing the decks for the next election, and he WILL get back in, as the average voter has the attention span of a gnat. Too many nuff nuffs suckling the public teat for him to fail.

  51. Yes, sorry, 100 house fires, not 10. Slip of the digit there I suspect.
    Larry Fields :
    The ‘great big new tax’ was the line that killed the ETS in Australia. I don’t know if it was Tony himself or an advisor, but it summed up the whole thing for Australian who didn’t know what the hell it was all about. The complexity of the whole scheme couldn’t be described in simple terms by the government, so the leader of the opposition did it for them : it’s a giant new tax on everything. I suggest other opposition leaders around the world use the same language, if there are actually is any opposition to an ETS, that is.
    It’s true the the real shame of this backflip is that it prevents the next election from being a referendum on climate change. And that’s why it was dropped.

  52. Bruce of Newcastle says:
    April 27, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    Thanks Anthony for helping generate this great victory!
    I’d like to second that.
    Thank you Anthony, and Steve, and all the commenters here for your commitment to the principles and particulars of the scientific method, the sense of shared and open human-ness and conscience with which this was undertaken, and, perhaps especially, your sense of humour.
    I know the back-down in Canberra is just a minor, albeit perhaps significant reprieve, but that it’s far from over.
    Britain looks nice this time of year. Tally ho!

  53. Lot’s of public servants in Dept of Climate Change in Canberra worried about their jobs now!
    Politicians should be too.

  54. Delaying ETS would cause instability – Smith.
    New Zealand’s emissions trading scheme (ETS) will start on July 1 because delaying it would create instability and uncertainty, Climate Change Minister Nick Smith said today.
    Australia has put its ETS on hold because the government can’t get sufficient support in Parliament to pass it, and there have been calls for New Zealand to do the same.
    Federated Farmers and other business organisations are saying New Zealand will be at a competitive disadvantage unless it aligns itself with Australia.
    However, Dr Smith said New Zealand would be unlikely to proceed with its full obligations for energy, transport and industrial sectors, and to add additional sectors to the ETS, if there was no progress in other countries, particularly trading partners like Australia, Japan and the United States.
    Dr Smith said claims that New Zealand was the first country in the world to bring in an ETS were wrong — 29 of the 38 countries with Kyoto obligations already had them.
    Delay would hurt New Zealand because it would be seen to be doing nothing about climate change.
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/delaying-ets-would-cause-instability-smith-122181

  55. Now, if only we can get Kyoto cancelled, and give the farmers back the use of the land they still pay taxes on, own, can’t use and can’t sell.
    it was another conjob to gain Carbon credit brownie points and has done stuff all except ruin already struggling farmers.

  56. brc & others, it was a heavy-lifting excercise by many informed Australians that killed this “great big tax on everything,” assisted by excellent information from Anthony Watts, Andrew Bolt, Steve McIntyre, Monckton and the many others who delivered information about facts and lies.
    I understand Australian politicians received an avalanche of more than 400,000 emails and letters written by individuals last Nov/Dec, and that the messages were individually written, not form letters or petitions, and that this is what shifted the Coalition’s position on the ETS.
    I’m told by people within the Coalition that this is regarded as the most exceptional grassroots action in Australia’s political history.

  57. Vincent says:
    “April 27, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    Don’t worry, because the UK has taken up the fight. Leading the world with a panopoly of feed-in tariffs, carbon reduction commitments, renewal obligation certificates and now Brown’s “low carbon apprenticeships,” the UK is well on the way to cornering the market in green jobs.”
    Totally agree, the only thing I can think of is if we can somehow jump on the green money train as it seems the rest of the world are catching on we’ll be left behind as usual so we might as well make a few bucks (£). If anyone in the UK has any good ideas how to make money i’m all ears, only thing i can think of is buying carbon credits and selling ’em to the UK guberment, when the rest of the world scrap the idea of taxing thin air i’m sure our guberment will still be signed up.

  58. Eric Dailey says:
    April 27, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    Is credit due to Lord Christopher Monkton?
    __________________________________________
    Of Course!
    And to Anthony, Dr Spencer, Dr Lindzen, Dr Daly, Dr Ball, Dr. Christy, Dr Svensmark, Dr Robinson of the Oregon Institute, Steve McIntyre, and the list goes on and on. And even us little people who helped spread the word.

  59. Dead-enders says:
    April 27, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    Not like anyone here cares, but:
    “a poll by the Lowy Institute showed most Australians wanted the government to act on climate change but were not personally prepared to pay for it. The poll found that while 72 per cent of Australians agreed that Australia should take action to reduce carbon emissions before a global agreement is reached, 33 per cent were not prepared to pay anything extra on their electricity bill and 25 per cent were only prepared to pay $10 or less extra per month.”

    That expressly shows the value of polls and their ignorant phrasing of questions. And I agree with the results. Kind of like a poll on polar bear survival. I’d probably answer yes, I like polar bears. But no, I don’t want to personally contribute to their nutrition.

  60. Heh, heh, heh. Thanks to you, Anthony, and the vigilant Australians who post on this site (as well as the other common-sensical Australian citizens who aren’t as active but who know what is going on), PM Rudd has had to wake up from his utopian fantasy of ETS. We skeptical Americans tip our hats to you, and encourage you to stay vigilant. You are an example for our politicans here to wake up to.

  61. Aaah now they are saying dumped at least till 2013 if not after, depending on the rest of the world!. Sounds like this lead carbon tax balloon has sunk and Rudd will probably go down with it!

  62. KRudd747 is being very slimy. Heaven forbid, it’s an election year. The ETS/CPRS bill will be passed. I have found Australian and New Zealand politicians to be the slimiest of them all. Yes, we will have an ETS, it will pass, in secret, just like politicnas guilt edged pension funds.

Comments are closed.