Earth gives us an Earth Day present: Arctic sea ice is highest for this date in 8 years

Phil really gave it away this time. re no Ajax and CT now..hahaha

Re: Anu (20:18:12)
Close, but not it. I was thinking about this more recent post for the eggshell part.

Well, I can’t speak for the CAGW groupies ( http://tinyurl.com/yemj8dj ) but personally, it would be fun if the summer melt ended up below 2009 levels – I enjoy hearing all the “spin” as to why the Arctic losing its summer ice soon is “natural”:
http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20091005_Figure2.png
http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20090908_Figure2.png
http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20090804_Figure2.png
If I have to wait till 2011 or 2012, not so fun.
Look at that 2008 sea ice extent dive, starting within the “gray area” – things can happen fast in a warm Arctic… and CryoSat-2 will be watching the whole time. I wonder what happens when “the warmest oceans on record” flow up under the Arctic egg-shell-thin sea ice cap.
We’ll see by October.

Then after you got beat up despite going into your “tetherball” reply mode, you switched over to arguing about all that heat being stored deep in the oceans that has Trenberth in a lather, getting in “the last word” on April 18, while for the WUWT post from April 16 (two days earlier) “NCAR’s missing heat – they could not find it any-where,” where the whole Trenberth thing where he complained about the “missing heat” was discussed and debunked, you were a complete no-show.
Yup, still arguing about all that great and terrible ocean heating while two days earlier everyone else was reading about Trenberth moaning how he doesn’t believe any of the many estimates of ocean heat content are correct, and he knows that missing heat must be somewhere.
Oh, and he also said in the press release mentioned: “Compounding the problem, Earth’s surface temperatures have largely leveled off in recent years. Yet melting glaciers and Arctic sea ice, along with rising sea levels, indicate that heat is continuing to have profound effects on the planet.” And look here, the Arctic sea ice seems to be doing rather well. Well he still has those melting glaciers, that are sublimating in dry winds and getting covered in sunlight-absorbing soot. And the sea levels, whose rate of rise has dramatically slowed down. So I guess his case is still as sound as it ever was.
Thank you for showing up for this post. Wouldn’t be the same without you. Thank you for playing. Have a nice day!

Anu (23:27:37) :
You did cherry pick the time frame. Was there less Arctic ice during the Medieval Warm Period? How much was there in the 1930’s when the earth was in a warm period? How much was there in the late 1940’s when the earth was cooling? You don’t talk about any other time frame but the last 30 years.
There were very few scientist talking about co2 back then. But I notice you didn’t provide any links to what you say to prove what you say. You could watch The Great Global Warming Swindle to see that there really was only one that was noticed talking about co2 back then.
BTW, I am not replying to you thinking that you are listening to anything I am saying. I know you won’t. I know you are a hardcore radical. You don’t want the science. You don’t care about the science. You misuse science. You care about things other than the science, and other than the truth. You have an agenda.
I am only writing these things for others who may be reading so they can see more than just the propaganda of your side of the issue.

Anu (23:27:37) :
But I can tell you don’t really know what you are talking about.
Why, did you get a third tier sciencey degree so you think you’re qualified to talk about science ?
No. It doesn’t take that much to figure you out.

kadaka (23:16:57) :
Anu is a no show in some threads. But not in this one about Arctic Ice. Arctic Ice is one of global warmings sacred babies. They have to do all they can to make it look like global warming is making Arctic Ice disappear—despite what reality says. They have to tell people to not look at what is really happening but look at what their ‘scientists’ say about Arctic ice, and what their predictions from computers say about it.
And it seems the more they talk the more they feel they are winning the debate.

Anu (23:27:37) :
Your graph is an anomaly graph. Looking at the actual difference in volume (something you didn’t point out) it shows very little volume was lost. But your graph makes it look like a lot. All volume lost was due to natural variations. Arctic Ice does not stay at the same size. Sometimes it increases through time. Sometimes it decreases.
Maybe you can enlarge that graph and then get Al Gore to ride his lift up to the top of it and scare little children.

Who is Andrew J Weaver?
He is an AGW fanatic, and has been for a long time.
He works from the University of Victoria, and this is what they say about themselves:
“The University of Victoria is a leading Canadian research university, and has a reputation as a centre of innovative and interdisciplinary research. UVic researchers are making major contributions, advancing and applying knowledge for the benefit of society. UVic faculty rank among the top universities in Canada in research funding from national granting councils.”
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RESEARCH PROPOSALS SUBMITTED AND UNDER REVIEW
2009 Water Security and Community Solutions Network
Letter of Intent submitted to the Network of Centres of Excellence program of the Government of Canada on February 26, 2009.
Network Co-Directors: Andrew Weaver and Rosemary Ommer, The University of Victoria
Co-Applicants: The Directors of Six Regional Nodes including Ralph Matthews as Director of the Node for Western Canada.
The proposed network will focus on the relationship between climate change and water related issues (including fresh water, oceans, and sea ice) as they affect the security and human well-being of communities throughout Canada, as well as those industries (e.g. Hydro Eclectic; Fishing; Forestry; Agriculture; Tourism: Shipping; Vintners) whose economic well-being is also affected by water related issues). The NCE is intended to link science and social science with communities and industries. The approach taken will be largely ‘bottom up’, in that social and economic researchers, working with communities and industries, will identify the critical current and future water related needs and impacts that affect social and economic well-being. Working from the perspectives of these needs and the relevant social and impacts, scientific research will undertake efforts to identify potential solutions that involve both mitigation and adaptation to changing environmental conditions.
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Anu’s tactic to tackle skeptic is similar to the sort that classical physicist uses to attack quantum mechanic and relativity, as he rely on the use of absurdity by comparing our theory to “Alien devices in the ocean trenches”, as if when something is absurd it ought to be wrong.
One can see this type of methodology in science is quite problematic as the concept of absurdity is quite arbitrary, Aristotle will find Newton mechanic absurd, and so will Newton find Einstein’s. This reason behind this is simply because one will find any theory that does not bare resemblance to what they used to believe absurd, regardless whether their new or old theory is right or not.
I believe in order to establish whether a theory is correct or wrong, we should stick to the matter of fact, and honestly recount what we have seen regardless of how absurd it is. I believe as all the member of the climate skeptic understand that whether the world is continuing to warm or not are not part of our concern. What we are arguing as always is whether carbon dioxide we emitted have anything to do with it. And as the matter of fact shows in Medieval Warming Period and in Mini ice age there is a great change of temperature, more extreme to what we have experience nowadays, despites there is extremely little carbon emition done by human in that period. All this simply show carbon dioxide have little to no correlation to a sudden change of temperature. If you attempt to dispute this fact and still say carbon dioxide causes this change. Then you are basically saying the same thing as Alien device as ocean trench, which is not absurd, but simply not valid.
I have no scientific qualification in university, I am just a undergraduate doing philosophy. But if you want to argue with me about methodology of science I shall not be fear to accept the challenge. As you don’t seems to me to have any type of scientific qualification, as the quality of the post you wrote does not show it, nor you have any common understand of how science actually work, and how to make a sound argument.
(Apology for my poor English, Chinese is my first language. I must admit even people in Mainland China will make better trolling post then the climate alarmist)

This graph illustrates my point above
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover_30y.uk.php

Anu (23:27:37) :
Apparently, PIOMAS is a model that hindcasts Ice Volume prior to 2003 by extending the TREND LINE as measured by 2003-2007.
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/ArcticSeaiceVolume/images/IceVolAnomaly19792010.MarNov2.png
as the caption implies:
“Arctic Sea Ice Volume Anomaly from PIOMAS and the NASA ICESat satellite in November for each year relative to the 2003-2007 mean ice volume. ICEsat Ice volume is from Kwok et al. 2009. ”
And the graph you give above:
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/ArcticSeaiceVolume/images/BPIOMASIceVolumeAnomalyCurrent.png
is the PIOMAS Model output.
Ah, nothing like a Computer Model of an Anomaly to really scare the hide off the uninitiated.
Resistance is Futile, You will be Assimilated:
“The purpose of this page is to visualize recent variations of total Arctic Sea Ice Volume in the context of longer term variability. Arctic Sea Ice Volume is an important indicator of climate change because it accounts for variations in sea ice thickness as well as sea ice extent. Total Arctic sea ice volume cannot currently be observed continuously. Observations from satellites, Navy submarines, moorings, and field measurements are limited in space or time. The assimilation of observations into numerical models, currently provides one way of estimating sea ice volume changes on a continuing basis. Volume estimates using age of sea ice as a proxy for ice thickness are another useful method (see here and here). Comparisons with observations help test our understanding of sea ice conditions in the Arctic.
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It’s that Captain Dorothy Janeway that did it. Threw a tub of hot water at the Wicked Borg Ice Queen of the North and missed, hitting the Sea Ice instead.

Jim Radig (18:57:41) :
Re Pembina –Thanks, that’s appreciated. The bird is not yet in hand, so I’d like to keep your plan in play. Please drop me a line at geo[at]georule.net so I can contact you if necessary.