Second Mann spoof video removed

The original video ‘Hide the Decline’ is still on YouTube.

There are a lot of Hide the Hide the Decline videos as well…

IT/CS types are overwhelmingly pro-AGWH, see their complete coup of wikipedia. I guess they trust computer simulations above all else..
…no way to fix that, save introduce scientific methodology as a compulsory part of all IT programs. Currently they en masse believe that studying some recursive math and linear algebra makes them (actual) scientists.
PS. Having said that, I have recently come across many computer scientists that *are* able to look further than the tip of their nose. Even more props to them.

They who control information dissimination and content control the direction of the world. (or they would like to think)

You do not hear my father whinin’ and fussin’ about the pure unadulterated bull cookies they print and discuss about him over Depropagandablog. Does anybody think that (snip) is for real? Double standards all around, barkeep !!

The videos that must not be mentioned.

The bigger they get the more cowardly they become?

Just to be sure, the first Hide the Decline video is here:

I hope it works not only on the Czech territory. You can turn the subtitles on/off by the “CC” button.
We still have a freedom of speech over here. In fact, our new environment minister – an iron lady – is going after the neck of the warmists. The first step she did as the minister was to abolish the whole climate department. 😉

Al Gore is a ‘senior advisor’ to Google – he is probably helping them invent internet 2.0 – and, as we know, where there is a quid there is a pro.

Is YouTube an offshoot of Peer Review?

Wow….(yawn – fidgets with post it notes and scratches head)
Like censorship is gonna somehow dissuade, oh,…I don’t know, a bazillion peoples, that AGW is sacrosanct, unbiased, and manifestly true.
Cos when they tell someone they can’t have an opinion, WE present them with the eagle, and procede to leave burning poo on their door step.
Kudos to those here, and on other blogs, with the courage, and the diginity to face this stuff down, with all the contempt it deserves.
And lawyers beware,…..i’m coming for all of you….(dude? thats like 100 million lawyers,…)..yeah?, Well…. hell, I never said i’d git to em’ all at once…

VS (21:28:16) :
As A software engineer etc… I assemble that…
err resemble that … I cant spell.. (next I’ll be loosing my losing )…
Actually I would have thought that IT types would be VERY very aware
of how easy it is to stuff it up, and or manipulate outcomes (model wise)
cheers
J

I believe this is because the left wing ciphers that run Google actually believe in junk science. Like many other scientists, they all think they are equally smart. As Google, like Microsoft and Netscape descends into a uniform business model that relies upon its industry weight to survive, rather than science or creativity, it gravitates to edgy, and frequently unsubstantiated, ‘science’ in order to validate its existence as a real breakthrough business. Of course Google has done nothing but acquire other promising business models for the last 10 years. Like Microsoft, it has reached the limitations of its own creativity. So being ‘edgy’ is important to these condescending dilettantes. But it means little to real science. That involves much more than selling advertisement space. Because that is what Google is, the Newsweek of the internet./

David Walton (22:15:16) :
(The above video of Hide The Decline II is courtesy of the Fox News Channel on YouTube. I guess Google hasn’t decided to take them on, yet.)
They wouldn’t have a case since the video is satire. They don’t have a case on the first video either since it is satire.
I’m pretty sure a lawsuit over satire against FoxNews would end in embarrassment for Michael Mann. And I am pretty sure he doesn’t have enough money to take on FoxNews in the first place. It would be peculiar for him to see his face on tv as someone who sued FoxNews over satire. He could end up being talked about on every FoxNews show from morning till night. It would make many people who know nothing of the Hockey Stick fully aware of it.
OH PLEASE MICHAEL MANN, SUE FOXNEWS!!!!! PLEASE!!!!

What an amateur that Mann is. Making such a fuss. Tsk, tsk, tsk. This only serves to pique interest in the skeptic message. He should follow the lamestream media’s playbook and ignore such things. Just look at the dying media’s adherence to the message as they keep the focus on global warming and ignore questions raised about the weak “science” behind the climate change scare.
There is, however, one thing he should really be worrying about.
When the whole climate change scare deflates in the face of reality and projections of doom fail to materilize, the feelings of betrayal from the true believers will be a fearsome firestorm.

Normal “tricks” from Post Normal Science.

Since Jib Jab participated in developing for the first video, I can see why they might have a copyright claim against the second video, which is a variation on the first. I think the validity of the claim would depend on whether they only provided the animation, or whether they contributed substantially to the overall concept.

Amino Acids in Meteorites (22:23:35) :
Sarah Palin handled it like an adult.
Remember the skit where she walked in on Tina Fey?
There’s an object lesson there.

Ray (22:24:40) :
Mann is not the only one wanted to sue people or papers that tells the truth… here in Canada we have our own witch-hunter; Andrew Weaver. When out of scientific arguments, they turn to court. I thought only politicians and Hollywood people had such egos… but so called scientists???
“UVic climate scientist sues National Post”
http://www.bclocalnews.com/vancouver_island_south/saanichnews/news/91768534.html
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The National Post comments about Andrew Weaver weren’t satire. His charge is they lied about him. If he is right, he has a case.

John A (23:09:38) wrote: “I am disturbed that some WUWT commenters appear to use this place to bash intellect and expertise as part of some sort of conspiracy. Intellect and expertise are vital to comprehension of the Universe around us and ignorance and anti-intellectualism are the enemy of mankind.”
I think you are making an enormous false generalization.
The articles and most of the comments here demonstrate more “intellect and expertise” than the AGW gang. Indeed their ‘debate is over attitude,’ not to mention their corruption of the peer review process and their so-called science, is exactly the kind of anti-intellectualism you worry about.
And, please, show me the articles here – other than some great satirical ones – than in any way represent ‘thinking with your gut.’ Just look at the analysis of basic data flaws and issues done by Anthony, Willis and Steve!!!
But faced with what is obviously a massive anti-intellectual campaign to avoid addressing the now clearly identified flaws in their ‘science,’ backed by a bunch of gut-thinking and shrill greenies and their Wall Street manipulators, those who question AGW do sometimes get a little testy, to put it mildly. But they (almost) never stoop to the ‘denier’ name calling or other idiotic levels used by those trying to shout down the highly intellectual questions being asked.

The original is still on Youtube:

“John A (23:09:38) :
VS (21:28:16) :
IT/CS types are overwhelmingly pro-AGWH, see their complete coup of wikipedia. I guess they trust computer simulations above all else..,
Untrue. Or at least unknowable.”
I have to defend VS here. My impression of my various IT&CS colleagues from various projects over the last years is: 90% silently pro-AGW, 10% Moonbats. Everyone of them loves solar and wind power generation.
Most people who think they’re intelligent here in Germany just tend to believe what Der Spiegel writes and don’t reflect about it much.
Once you engage them in a discussion they have no big intellectual problems understanding the sceptic arguments though, so a re-re-education seems possible.

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_T9rklJ2sg&hl=en_US&fs=1&]

yes well when the comedians start bagging on global warming you know it’s just about over.
this is Arj Barker on the John Debella show, worth a listen and a laugh 😀
http://www.wmgk.com/shows/john-debella/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10091870

My favourite one from Minnesotans for Global Warming is their “If we only had some global warming” still on youtube.

Especially their take on the polar bear issue.

“I have spent my entire working life (30+ years) after graduating in Chemistry from Oxford in IT. The combination of some knowledge of a hard science, plus in in-depth understanding of IT from practical experience are the things that have helped to make me very very sceptical. Do not tar us all with your stereotype-laden brush, please.”
ShotsFan, you’re not me, are you? (Univ Chem 76-80)

Well, censorship or not, it’s STILL out there for anyone who wants to find it.

VS (21:28:16) :
“IT/CS types are overwhelmingly pro-AGWH”
Not as far as I am aware, and not in my experience. I would say they split down the middle like the population in general.
One thing most computer programming types know is that computer models have very limited applications where real life testing can be used to verify the modle (ie car crash software, building design, etc).
I think you’re confusing nerds in general with computer people. The type of nerds that cruft up sites like Reddit and Digg. There are a lot more nerds who think they know something than people with actual IT talent.

The discussion is science.
If Mann wants to set himself up let him. If googlers want to lose 50% of their business let them.
That file is not banned, that file has not broken a law.
It’s a skit a spoof and truly great satire is based in fact and truth.

Luboš Motl (22:09:17) :
Just to be sure, the first Hide the Decline video is here:

I hope it works not only on the Czech territory.
It works fine in the ME (faster than from the US, in fact), and I get a *lot* of “not available for viewing in your country” messages from U-Toob…

I recently did a ‘tongue-in-cheek’ posting on my website asking “Is Google biased in favour of climate change?” This was based on an analysis of Google’s page rank last year and again recently which showed that “non-sceptic” sites generally retained the same ranking but ‘sceptic’ sites tended to have a reduced rank.
http://www.climatedata.info/Discussions/Discussions/opinions.php?id=6452446906985463484
I don’t really believe that Google would risk its reputation by weighting page rank to favour one view of climate change over an other but this recent action does again raise the question.

ShotsFan, John A
First off, relax. I didn’t say ‘all’, I said ‘overwhelming majority’. At least in my personal experience, this is the case. Most statisticians I know however, are skeptics. I believe this to be a discipline related issue.
Second, the point is not whether there are ‘caveats’ with computer models, but whether (calibrated) computer model fits can be considered proof, or not. Most methodological experts would say ‘nah’, while most CS/IT types would say ‘yeah’. Again, a discipline related issue.
Finally, I clearly stated that there are notable exceptions to this ‘rule’, which apparently include the two of you. Kudos.
Best, VS

Disagree with VS about IT types. I am a Software Engineer and I totally disagree with AGW. Keep up the good work WUWT. I tune in every day to find the latest slap in the teeth for AGW and the alarmists

The M4GW kind of fell over themselves with this.
I liked their videos a lot. But they really bungled this bogus threat of a lawsuit.
Their Chicken Little press conference was the topping on the cake.

I have just read some of Vaclav Klaus’s article and speeches about the environmental movement, thanks to the links posted by Eric (23.09.57) and wish that politicians in the UK, Australia and New Zealand could at least read what Klaus says. I am constantly dismayed by that group of politicians’ inabilty to think rationally about the AGW debate.
When the UK Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, accused those who didn’t agree with him that ‘the science is settled’ re AGW as flat-earthers, I was apalled by his utterly blinkered thinking but unsurprised, as old Marxists rarely deviate from their goal of imposing their version of how the world should work.

I don’t use Google anymore. I don’t trust them.

It is still up

There is an appeal process (and a pretty simple one at that) for DMCA take-down notices. Section 512 (which provides for take-down notices) also provides for “put-back” notices, in which the person who posts the material basically certifies that the complaint is without merit (thus removing any legal liability from the hosting provider).
IANAL, etc.

Meantime the Arctic is defying the Hockeystick by stubbornly posting excess ice
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
now showing greater ice extent that anytime since 2002. Perhaps Mann should now have his lawyers demand that this site be pulled until Arctic ice complies with The Hockeystick.
Meantime Antarctica is slighty more pliable in that http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png
are showing sea ice extent very slightly below the 1979 – 2000 average.
Certainly there is no sign of a rapid melt in the Arctic as yet as predicted by some participants.

Hitler reacts to abuse of Fair Use Law by corporations and powerful interests:
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBO5dh9qrIQ&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1]

Just be careful if your in the UK as i think Mr Mann is covered by libel laws, I became aware of these when I tried to access news story’s of a Mr Woods and his night time activities but when I tried to view the audio or video on US web sites this was blocked due to UK libel law.
I think my point is don’t’ be surprised if the guys in the US can see the videos but there banned from the UK.

These videos are covered under Fair Use of the First Amendment. They should let Mann sue them–he’d lose.
Fair use includes commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching or scholarship. Usually the person using the work to comment on doesn’t make money off of it, but parody is different. Even if the creators of the parody made money off of it, it can still qualify as fair use. See Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 U.S. 569 (1994).
There also needs to be market harm; in other words, Mann would need to show that he’s losing money because of Davis’ work.
So I say let Mann sue. Please. I’d love to see his butt handed to him over something so frivolous. Then again, we know he’s a mean-spirited, hot-tempered egomaniac. We shouldn’t be surprised that he’d try to target someone who makes fun of him.
Learn to laugh at yourself, Mike! You’ll live longer!

AdderW (04:10:27) :Two videos ready to download from MEGAUPLOAD.
Thanks, my children demanded a copy of the soundtrack for their phones so I’ve had the soundtrack for a while, finally I can give them the video!

Somebody should explain to Mann & Google how this interweb thingy works . . . the more they try to control and regulate the message, the more the message gets known and disseminated.
They are doing fools business, but then who better to play the fool than the grand AGW fool himself, the greasy, slippery Dr. Mann.
Dr. Mann should enjoy what little is left of his ill gotten reputation as a “scientist” . . . it is a straight and slippery slope into the cesspit of academic hell he has made for himself.

David Ball (21:58:54) :
Please, kind ladies and/or gentlemen, read “over AT depropagandablog”. Thank you for your time.
Reply: I can not find it can you give a link?
By the way I enjoy your Father’s articles.
You might want to look at The ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ seems the AGW chorusline is just a different version of the same club. While central banker Paul Warburg came to the USA to implement the Central bank called the “Federal Reserve” his brother Max was one of the “The two Germans most responsible for the financing of Lenin” These string pulling banking families have not gone away because the USSR collapsed, they just changed their “stripes” well sort of.
“What unites the many different forms of Socialism.. is the conception that socialism (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) must be handed down to the grateful masses in one form or another, by a ruling elite which is not subject to their control…” http://search.marxists.org/archive/draper/1966/twosouls/0-2souls.htm
Why is it no one can understand big bankers and corporate CEO’s love “socialism” because it allows them to formulate advantageous regulations. In the USA the EPA, USDA, FDA, OSHA are run by the big corporations in such a way that they can squash any upstart competition. I am sure “Cap and Trade” will be used as the ultimate weapon against anyone they want to get rid of while squeezing the last bit of wealth out of the western world.
“Agriculture and monopoly Capital” shows the consolidation of control in the food industry until we now have ten corporation, many privately owned, controlling most of the world’s food supply.

Google must act on any take down request that cites the DMCA by taking the material down.
Also anyone contemplating issuing a take down request had best be prepared to go all the way as a very simple certification process by the original poster of the material will put it right back up.
If I was M4GW Google would already have those certifications.

Claiming copyright over a work they don’t own copyright to is the worst of all copyright crimes. And going by the amount of money people have had to pay to certain entertainment industry for the mere “crime” of making available, this actual crime ought to cost absurdly.
I wonder if Mann et al can afford it? :p

Erik (23:09:57) :
@Luboš Motl (22:09:17)
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We still have a freedom of speech over here
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..and you got Václav Klaus, a real man that dare stand up against the AGW crowd
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Could we borrow Václav Klaus, for four years to run for President here in the USA? All he has to do is hide his birth certificate behind a bunch of lawyers. /sarc

DirkH (00:33:40) :
“John A (23:09:38) :
VS (21:28:16) :
IT/CS types are overwhelmingly pro-AGWH, see their complete coup of wikipedia. I guess they trust computer simulations above all else..,
________________________________________________________________________________
Untrue. Or at least unknowable.”
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I have to defend VS here. My impression of my various IT&CS colleagues from various projects over the last years is: 90% silently pro-AGW, 10% Moonbats. Everyone of them loves solar and wind power generation….
_______________________________________________________________________________
I would have to agree from what I see in the USA, but I would extend it to all College graduates. Most are served a healthy dose of “green” brainwashing along with their education. Since rebellion is typical of most young adults, they generally swallow it whole without checking.
I remember the screaming arguments my brilliant Electrical Engineering brother had with my Dad. Big brother got a healthy dose of brainwashing his first semester in college. Intelligence and education are no real protection against brainwashing. It actually seems to make the target more gullible because they are so highly specialized, focused in their thinking and getting deluged with tons of new information. When do they really have the time to do in depth research on the subject when they are studying and partying?

OT News: Global warmers are the flat earthers
Flat Earth global warming?
Perhaps this is too good to be true.
But Vincent Gray at Climate realists has noticed a little flaw in the mythical Computer Model of global warming.
The model is based on a flat Earth.
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/12704

John A (23:09:38) :
you can think with your Gut because their are brain like cells all the way through the alimentary canal
A great book:
http://www.amazon.com/Second-Brain-Groundbreaking-Understanding-Disorders/dp/0060930721
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060182520/omega23

With writs flying like confetti, AOL seems to have joined the ranks of those passing satirical comment on the upper echelons of the warmist power base.
My attempts for the past two days to connect with Hadobs CET record have failed but the ever helpful AOL on each occasion have suggested “Did you mean Hand Jobs?”
My first thoughts were ” no I do not” but on reflection perhaps their opinion of the MET office is that they are in fact a load of W***ers and clicking that link will provide access to the information I require.
To click or not to click – that is the question…………………
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html
Only works on AOL!

steven mosher (07:12:01) :Hey!, that knowledge is really awesome!, now it becomes clear the behaviour of GWrs.! Either they suffer of constipation, those who are lean and of the most hysterical type (rather explainable because they are materially full of sh**), or they suffer of diarrhea, those who speak about “coal death trains”, who, no matter what they do, are incapable of feeling the warm coming from the sun rays, those are the ones who hate us skeptics and call us deniers…etc.etc.
Seriously talking, it is not surprising as the center of gravity of the human body (called Hara by the japanese), and situated about an inch below the navel is the center of blood circulation, the “plexus mesentericus”.

The quest for the truth continues:
“Climate Scientist Sues Canada’s National Post”
http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/22/26627.htm

Dr. Mann is using a communications tactic to leverage free publicity. He’s not stupid, so I suspect he’s positioning himself for the pending Gore announcements (antics) and attempting to play a role in the face of a growing worldwide community of Skeptics.
He actually has nothing to lose and a great deal to gain as they still want to pass the Cap and Trade Bill later this year.

To the anti-Google/pro-Bing posters,
Bing is Micro$oft. When you look at things like corporate activities, corporate donations, and causes championed and donations made by their bigwigs, are they really any better?
Side note: Strange that no one mentioned Yahoo! as an alternative… or maybe not that strange, I gave up on it long ago. 😉
The whole mess, YouTube and Blogger etc, highlights something important. If you really want to seriously put out something controversial, put it on your own site, with your own hosting. Free speech ain’t free.
Anyone know if the original video will get stored at the Internet Archive? I wonder if it’s even possible to get them to delete anything. Hey, does anyone know if the Library of Congress will store a copy? Did anyone email it to their Congress Critters, making it official correspondence?

VS (21:28:16) :
The Computer Sciences were the first hard-science/engineering field to be targeted by communists and other lefties. You should look at their curriculum and listen to their wacked profs. The rot goes back to the late 60’s. BTW I work as a Software Architect specializing in instrumentation and data collection. Many software engineers do manage to overcome the damage caused by their schooling.

I think VS may be seeing regional geographic differences effecting the beliefs of “IT/MIS” people. In that a great many IT people work in Silicon Valley, Seattle or NYC, you are likely mostly seeing the reflection of peer pressure regarding “beliefs” influenced by the culture they live within. Silicon Valley and Seattle are both deep into “green marketing”, much of which is nothing more than marketing propaganda with little or no impact on the environment.
Many professional software engineers, me included, examined source code released with the better known ClimateGate emails and were quite surprised to find obvious errors in the code, no sign of code testing, archival or version control – and really, no signs that professional software engineering standards were ever associated with climate modeling and statistical analysis.
Last week, Dr. Judith Curry of Georgia Tech called upon the climate science community to enlist the assistance of professional statisticians and computer scientists so that climate research can repair its reputation for sloppiness and unprofessional work products.

Some things I believe to be mostly true:
Those who profess to do things for ‘the greater good’ have an ulterior motive;
People who are quite well educated can be not very smart;
The left wing group tends to encompass environmentalists who like to do things ‘for the greater good’;
People who profess to do things ‘for the greater good’, very rarely do;
people who profess to do things ‘for the greater good’ want to shut up those who don’t subscribe to their point of view and will aggressively pursue any and every action to do so;
Google, Wikipedia and other ‘socially controlled’ sites are driven by those who like to do things ‘for the greater good’;
Those who want others to do things ‘for the greater good’ will argue the man, not the case.
Never trust an educated left wing environmentalist who wants things to happen ‘for the greater good’ because they did a Google search and found a Wikipedia page, and will begin by insulting you when you start any sentence with ‘but what about…’.
Colloquially:
Very smart people are often not well educated – usually through no direct fault of their own;
People who actually do things ‘for the greater good’, just actually go ahead and do it;
People who are actively making the world a better place will educate you on things that make the world a better place, but understand that you are free to make your own choices;
Smart people see ‘social’ sites as simply a tool, and like everything on the internet, probably made up by a 14 year old who has nothing better to do while the World of Warcraft servers are down for maintenance;
Right wingers are quite happy for any and all to have a soap box – particularly those with an opposing point of view – so that everyone can gather all the views (wacky or not) on a subject;
True environmentalists tend not to label themselves as such;
Those who want to do things ‘for the greater good’ will argue the case, not the man.
(Now, I may be wrong, and there are probably several people who fit one or more of the above categories who are perfectly fine people. But….just sayin’).

NickB
http://www.nationalpost.com/search_results.html?q=Andrew+Weaver
Better to use the regular link. The stories seem pretty innocent — but it is a real lawsuit as opposed to the illiterate letter put out on behalf of Mann — by somebody presumably a layer. Hopefully someone has explained “cached” vs “cashed” to the Mann lawyer as a sympathy gesture.

RayB (00:48:23)
Reverend Horton Heat did a remake of the “Stop the Pigeon” song a few years back:

WillR (11:07:15)
Did I miss a link for Mann’s letter? Sounds like a fun read 🙂

Here is another angry religion;
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/21/south.park.religion/?hpt=Sbin

WillR (13:46:36)
Mann’s lawyer should have a look at the EFF’s statement on Fair Use, or maybe M4GW or NCTC should:
When can I borrow someone’s images for my blog post?
Images are subject to the same copyright and fair use laws as written materials, so here too you’ll want to think about the fair use factors that might apply. Is the image used in a transformative way? Are you taking only what’s necessary to convey your point? A thumbnail (reduced-size) image, or a portion of a larger image is more likely to be fair use than taking an entire full-size image. If you want to go beyond fair use, look for Creative Commons licensed images.
I want to parody someone. Can I use some of their images and text in my parody?
Yes, parody is recognized as a type of fair use, like other commentary and criticism, and courts recognize that a parody must often take recognizable elements from the work it comments upon.
Courts do distinguish parody from satire. Parody copies from the object it mocks, while satire uses recognizable elements from the original work to mock something else or society in general. Parody gets broader fair use leeway than satire. If you want to make fun of Roy Orbison by changing “Pretty Woman” to “Big Hairy Woman,” that’s non-infringing parody; but if you make fun of the O.J. Simpson trial using Dr. Seuss illustrations and rhymes, that’s satire and in one famous case, it was found to be infringing (Campbell v. Acuff-Rose, Dr. Seuss Enterprises, L.P. v. Penguin Books U.S.A., Inc.).
http://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/IP
In my quick read, this seems to be quite clearly a Fair Use issue unless they are putting Mann’s face on the t-shirts they are selling, which I’m pretty sure is not the case.
Regarding Weaver,
I’m curious if desmogblog violated anything by posting it on their blog, but that said… some of the complaints are pretty ridiculous: “Michael Mann’s “hockey stick” graph… has not/not been debunked“. I guess if the NP put words in his mouth that were provably false – like the allegations on the fossil fuel industry – then maybe there’s a valid complaint… but I’m not sure it can really be proven.
In general is appears that they’re trying to put the entire IPCC/AGW case on trial. To say it’s illegal to question or imply that the IPCC or AGW in general is incorrect is more than ridiculous… it’s anti-free speech.

NickB:
I am not going to comment in any significant way on something before the courts.
However the statement of claim is a public document. It is fair game to post that and make a factual statement about the claim.
The Weaver claim is available to read and on-Canadian readers can probably say what they wish. Canadians should be circumspect.

Not all of the original is user content created by MFGW. That means that Jibjab or whoever created the original chopping down of the singing tree scene retains copyright of that scene. Regardless of whether MFGW were granted permission to use that scene to produce the original video they still do not have copyright on that scene.
As the new video contains a copy of that scene therefore it is in breach of copyright on the original which is not held by MFGW.
The bottom line is that the chopping down singing tree scene and the singing tree character were not created by MFGW so to produce a new video which was not in breach of copyright they would have to develop their own characters and scenes. That is the way western copyright law works. I can’t just go making a story about a wizard that looks like Harry Potter.
They could still play the video in most Asian countries however as copyright laws are different there. They only cover the original work and still allow for modification. In most Asian countries I could go and make an 8th Harry Potter movie if I wanted to as long as I was taking it in a new direction.
Regardless of whether people agree with them or not the reasons YouTube have cited are not bogus they are genuine legal reasons which can carry genuine legal repercussions. I fully understand YouTube’s position in removing the video.

WillR
I’m pretty sure I just caught what you said and why you said it – by all means, do not let a random interchange on the internet compromise your professional integrity.
It is interesting (counterintuitive?) that Weaver would document his concerns – which includes direct quotes from the “offending” articles in question and then ask the courts – via Copyright claims via NP I’d imagine – to wipe the internet clear of any/all record of the accusations.
Anyway, it should be interesting to watch here from the sidelines…
Regards.

RE: Kay (05:41:43) : “There also needs to be market harm; in other words, Mann would need to show that he’s losing money because of Davis’ work.
Perhaps Dr. Mann could show that his career advancement opportunities have been constrained by this video as a result of ‘the appearance of wrongdoing’ standards that may apply even if he and his work were fully vindicated.
Still, it is an internet classic and it is a little late to make such claims now as I suspect most of the damage of that sort has already been done. He may, perhaps, succeed in preventing the use of this video as part of a campaign to fight the renewed effort to pass Cap and Trade.

@ NickB: There is also, from my time studying Computer Science, a rampant dysfunction with many of the students – not too dissimilar from Engineering and Math majors, and which seems to be the case with Climate Science too – in that traditionally defined IQ (book smarts, as I call it) is king above all other values, and practical intelligence (what I refer to as street smarts, and where I classify the “more you know, the more you know you don’t know” paradigm) is of little consequence. IMO, this is probably the biggest driver – when a nerd-king, as I call it, sets their position on a technical issue they are rarely ever accepting that they could be wrong, and even when faced with substantial evidence that they were wrong… they will rarely own up to it.”
Having been married for many years to an engineer/mathematician, I can say this is dead on. In our case, that attitude spilled over into our marriage and it’s part of the reason we’re not married any more.
These guys wouldn’t survive 5 minutes in the real world. Many of them may be smart, but their social skills leave a lot to be desired. Maybe that’s why they’re Nerd Kings to begin with.
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Roger posted: And here’s another relevant quote, from Anthony Standen’s Science is a Sacred Cow, [1950], 1958, Dutton Paperback.
18-19 [Certain people (called “science fiends” later in the book)] suppose that because science has penetrated the structure of the atom it can solve all the problems of the universe. … They are known in every … college as the most insufferable, cocksure know-it-alls. If you want to talk to them about poetry, they are likely to reply that the “emotive response” to poetry is only a conditioned reflex …. If they go on to be professional scientists, their sharp corners are rubbed down, but they undergo no fundamental change. They most decidedly are not set apart from the others by their intellectual integrity and faith, and their patient humility in front of the facts of nature…. They are uneducated, in the fullest sense of the word …. ”
Excellent quote.

I can’t find tips and notes, so hopefully someone will see this.
Another climate scientist is suing, this time a Canadian newspaper is the target.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/22/climate-change-libel-action-canada-national-post
[Reply: Some browsers have trouble showing Tips & Notes, and Climategate. There is also a Tips & Notes link along the right sidebar of the page, under the image links. Look for “Pages.” ~dbs]

Anthony
I have sent an email to your Ambassador here, His Excellency, Jeffrey Laurence Bleich and followed it up with an email to the President of Pennsylvania State University, Dr. Graham B Spanier, protesting at the obvious attack on these gentlemen’s First Amendment Rights, especially by a public funded body.
Colin J Ely
Melbourne, Australia