WUWT readers may recall this weekend our feature “Climate Craziness of the Week – Greenpeace posts threats” that appeared on the Greenpeace “Climate Rescue” blog
with the punchline:
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.
And we be many, but you be few.
Heh. Looks like the opinions of the many outweighed the opinion of the one because now from higher up the food chain at Greenpeace, they say on that updated blog post about the author, Gene Hasmi:
Anyone who knows Gene knows he’s an entirely peaceful guy. In the interest of transparency we have moved it off site to this location,
As I mentioned in comments to that original article, I made a webcitation of the Greenpeace original URL in case they “disappeared” it. (Archived by WebCite® at http://www.webcitation.org/5oj86Zw5q) As you read the update, you’ll see their spin. Of course it was “all taken out of context you see, and it’s those darned climate contrarians fault for it getting perceived as a threat”.
My response to Greenpeace: Bullshit!
Here’s the update-
Statement from Ananth, International Programme Director:
You’ve probably come here to read a blog post written by our colleague Gene, in which he addresses climate sceptics by saying:
“Let’s talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.”If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few.”
Well, we’ve taken down that post from our website. It’s very easy to misconstrue that line, take it out of context and suggest it means something wholly different from the practice of peaceful civil disobedience, which is what the post was about. Anyone who knows Gene knows he’s an entirely peaceful guy. In the interest of transparency we have moved it off site to this location, where you can read the offending quotes in context and judge for yourself:
We got this one wrong, no doubt about it. I’m holding up my hands on behalf of the organisation and saying sorry for that. Peaceful action is at the very core of what we do, so any language that even comes close to suggesting that’s not the case is something we cannot support.
Gene in his blog asks: “What do you do when patient petitioning, protest marches and court orders fail? What do you do when all the protocols and cheat codes of democracy fail? This is what you do: you reclaim the language of democracy from the twisted bunch that have hijacked, cannibalized and subverted it.”
We need to reclaim the language of democracy and tolerance. A language that is clear and precise. A language that does not confuse integrity of protest and civil disobedience with anger. One which establishes the fundamental tenets of protecting the planet for all life forms.
The climate change debate is often characterised by more heat than light, and for that reason we all need to be careful about how we express ourselves.
Of course the anti-science brigade on the web has seized on the line in Gene’s post and run with it (and will run and run and run), taken it out of context and run with it some more – it’s what the climate contrarians exist to do.
We do not look over our colleagues’ shoulders when they blog. That’s not what the web is about – and that means we’ll make mistakes. No doubt this won’t be the last one, but next time we’ll deal with it a little quicker.
Thank you for coming to the Greenpeace website, and while you’re here please take the chance to have a look round at some of the work we do.
And if you have any questions about what I’ve written here, feel free to drop me a line at: ananth[at]greenpeace.org, International Programme Director, Greenpeace International.
— Ananth
no peace loving person would have written those threats in the first place so its obvious where the mindset of green “peace” is. They should no longer be referred to as greenpeace
Grünen uber alles
The movement wants bad to come to those that disagree.
On Climate progress there is a rant about Massey Coal and the mining fatalities. To put it in context, James Hansen and Joe Romm have deep and unhealthy hatred for coal mining. When there is an accident, they celebrate.
At what point does greenpeace cheer when we have a forrest fire?
Green peace was involved with driving spikes into trees so loggers would hit them with chain saws and get hurt. Of course they say the workers deserve it.
I used to be a member of Greenpeace. Back then we were all volunteers who joined up because we believed in its objectives and gave our time and efforts for free.
Now its become an NGO, a big business that employs chuggers that accost me every time I go into town and try to sell me a subscription or whatever.
I ask them why, if they truly believe in their cause, they have to be paid eight pounds an hour plus commission to do what I did for free?
30 years on it all seems a little grubby. Maybe it always was and I was just naive?
Lefties are very angry that nature refuses to cooperate with their belief system.
Don’t you like it when I mention deadly threats?
“Government-mandated fuel economy standards are deadly,” said Sam Kazman, CEI General Counsel. “NHTSA had previously projected, in the original proposal, an additional 400 deaths annually due to these standards. If a consumer product killed a tenth as many people, it would be banned outright. But because CAFE is a government policy, not only will it not be banned, it’s going to be made even deadlier.”
CEI
The EPA is forcing a deadly ruling and people don’t talk about it much. Apparently green peace isn’t interested in safer consumer products.
Hmmm. If they still think that’s damage control then they haven’t read the comments under it. Go take a look, everyone. It’s incredible. I looked hard, and found 3 favourable, out of hundreds.
Can’t see how that could be taken out of context, that was a threat. The assertion that Gene’s a peaceful guy, is false. Empirical evidence FTW.
“We know where you live.”
That’s just creepy.
Paul Vaughan, M.Sc.
Ecologist, Parks & Natural Forests Advocate
My complements.
The open threat is honest and expresses the movements’ core belief. Until now, green peace has been a more covert operator denying harm and damage. Don’t apologize for accurately expressing hate and intolerance to people that won’t drink green koolaid. ELF has been outed. Our green leader promised green jobs and we have none. He smokes cigarettes and tells us health is so important.
Grunen uber alles
“In the interest of transparency”
Finally, I can live with that. kudos to GP.
This just proves that a brain of some of the “deep thinkers” from GP is as
transparent as……… jelly-fish. I think I’m going to elaborate little bit more about
it, add some statistics ( easy part ) and publish my findings in “Nature”
BTW, Looking for volunteers for “beer-review”
Daniel Ferry (10:06:59):
OT, but I’m hoping you all can help.
On Co2 see
“Ensemble reconstruction constraints on the global carbon cycle sensitivity to climate”
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v463/n7280/full/nature08769.html
“Temperature and CO2 feedback ‘weaker than thought'”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8483722.stm
“Amplification of Global Warming by Carbon-Cycle Feedback Significantly Less Than Thought, Study Suggests”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100127134721.htm
AND
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/08/the-logarithmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide/
http://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/mcclintock-proofnotco2-2009.pdf
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On scientist being on common ground
Doctors used to believe that peptic ulcers were mostly caused by stress/food/
Now we know it’s mainly caused by a bacterium
http://www.helico.com/
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hpylori/
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/h-pylori/DS00958
“To defeat relativity one did not need the word of 100 scientists, just one fact.”
Einstein
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Show your friend some failed predictions.
http://www.c3headlines.com/predictionsforecasts/
http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/global-warming-predictions-invalidated
“Modellers have an inbuilt bias towards forced climate change because the causes and effect are clear.”
“General circulation modelling of Holocene climate variability”,
by Gavin Schmidt, Drew Shindell, Ron Miller, Michael Mann and David Rind, published in Quaternary Science Review in 2004.)
http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/shared/articles/Schmidtetal-QSR04.pdf
Over 150 peer reviewed papers.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
Greenpeace types around here think that life was better when the mountains were full of Grizzly bears, and 50% of children died from Smallpox, Typhoid or TB. Because they love their fellow man.
@DirkH
‘Maybe their problem is that their eco-warriors’
Their problems are seven fold
Once upon a time they got into money, but instead of supporting a smaller organization over years and years, they grew and once they grew they needed more money to support their growth, et voila they soon need to grow to get the money needed to grow more…. alas using the same strategy every other bubble company use before they fail.
How do you get a company to grow, sorry, non-profit organization, but to pay, a lot, for the mere ability, and chance, to grow, out of your proportions.
This is where the fundamentalists, who went from getting people to think (and instead do good) to do whatever to get funds, are today, they went from rational liberal-do-gooders to something more akin to dictatorial socialist capitalism.
Just notice how they seem to more like to take to trying to somewhat ordering people about rather then explaining stuff up front, in a manner that anyone can check and balance if they so choose.
If anyone still thinks GP is all about doing good, objectively, i.e. actually doing good in a practical sense instead of only in the theoretical and the philosophical realm like WWF, by all means, go right ahead.
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Daniel Ferry (10:06:59):
OT, but I’m hoping you all can help.
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Another great resource is http://co2science.org/
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If your friend tells you that skeptics are being funded by big business and big oil show him or her these:
CRU Funding
British Petroleum (Oil, LNG)
Central Electricity Generating Board
Eastern Electricity
KFA Germany (Nuclear)
Irish Electricity Supply Board (LNG, Nuclear)
National Power
Nuclear Installations Inspectorate (Nuclear)
Shell (Oil, LNG)
Sultanate of Oman (LNG)
UK Nirex Ltd. (Nuclear)
Source: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/about/history/
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Exxon: “(how about $100 million for Stanford’s Global Climate and Energy Project, and $600 million for Biofuels research).”
“The US government spent $79 billion on climate research and technology since 1989 – to be sure, this funding paid for things like satellites and studies, but it’s 3,500 times as much as anything offered to sceptics.”
“The $79 billion figure does not include money from other western governments, private industry, and is not adjusted for inflation.”
“According to the World Bank, turnover of carbon trading reached $126 billion in 2008. PointCarbon estimates trading in 2009 was about $130 billion.”
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2835581.htm
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In 2005, Pachauri helped set up set up GloriOil, a Texas firm specialising in technology which allows the last remaining reserves to be extracted from oilfields otherwise at the end of their useful life.
“He is an internationally recognized figure in energy and sustainable development, having served on numerous boards and committees including Director of the Oil and Natural Gas Company of India; Director of the Indian Oil Corporation Limited;…
Source: http://www.glorioil.com/advisors.htm
“Our chemical lab in Houston is state of the art, custom built for purpose with one goal in mind – to supply the US oil industry with world class biotechnology to increase oil recovery from mature fields.”
Source: http://www.glorioil.com/technology.htm
“Our research facility in India focuses primarily on long term R&D projects such as heavy oil degradation, methane biogeneration from coal beds, and other initiatives.”
Source: http://www.glorioil.com/company.htm
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CRU seeks big oil and big business cash
Source:
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=171&filename=962818260.txt
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=156&filename=947541692.txt
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=332&filename=1056478635.txt
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=270&filename=1019513684.txt
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=1041&filename=1254832684.txt
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=204&filename=973374325.txt
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=185&filename=968691929.txt
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=159&filename=951431850.txt
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=362&filename=1065125462.txt
Declared pre-meditated violence directed at the large segment of the population that seeks to just do the right thing, by finding out what is truthfully going on might include many more people than they had anticipated.
Considering the legal right the general public has to defend itself and personal property, to declare open warfare is putting your recruiters, and donations door to door collectors in the direct line of fire from any one at random who could perceive them selves to be one of the ones threatened.
Most courts of law would uphold a case, with self defense from identified member of the Org. when they show up unexpected, and say hi, I am from Greenpeace… Shots fired, and a 911 call for police backup, control and containment, coroner called, and the relatives notified.
Home owner released on his submission of complete police report.
Might just put some inhibition into the door to door collections campaigners.
This might make people understand.
Is inflicting psychological damages peaceful?
GP has defined the use of non-violence, as in non-physical violence, and that’s pretty much it. Psychological, then hey it all depends, because it’s not ok to psychologically assault your mate, but of course psychologically assaulting an oil baron….
Please do think about it, why is it ok with psych-warring?
Still don’t understand, thinking perhaps it’s farfetched, what if the supposed oil baron is a mother of three?
Previous comment in the accident waiting to happen category.
I read both parts of Gene’s diatribe with growing astonishment and horror. I printed the entire document and showed it to a friend of mine who works (very hard) in the Crown Prosecution Service. When he read “We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few.” he said “That’s all that you need!”
He meant that what he’d read was all that I need to bring a private prosecution under the Public Order Act here in the UK for making threats sufficient to cause “alarm, distress or harassment” in me because of my disbelief in global warming/climate change and its causative factors.
If at any time ‘Gene’ decides to come to England I am going to arrest him for this crime.
If anyone knows of Gene’s itinerary for the next few years, please let me know. I’ll be there at Heathrow with a warranted Constable in tow!
IT always was that way. The Rainbow WARRIOR was a dead giveaway, isn’t it?
What else could have been the reason for naming their main battleship rainbow WARRIOR?
They are nice people when they get their way and violent when they don’t.
That’s the general description of the sociopaths my friend the prison psychologist deals with every day.
“What do you do when patient petitioning, protest marches and court orders fail? ”
Oh, I don’t know. Admit that you’re wrong? These people are far too used to getting their way.
Gene Hasmi in his blog asks: “What do you do when patient petitioning, protest marches and court orders fail? What do you do when all the protocols and cheat codes of democracy fail? ”
Simply think if what they are pushing for is not wrong. They should do what the red used to do long time ago: “self criticsim”, that is, find some other way that could be more succesful because the older path was cleary wrong.
But these people, in their religious belief are impervious to reasoning. At least not on the basis of the traditional logic mechanisms settled by philosphers along human history.
The original threats should definitely be reported to the police in all relevant countries.
Gene Hasmi in his blog asks: “What do you do when patient petitioning, protest marches and court orders fail? What do you do when all the protocols and cheat codes of democracy fail?”
Reminds me of a spokesman for a Northern Ireland paramilitary group once complaining that they had tried democracy and nobody had voted for them.
The Air Vent worked pretty hard on this point. I think I was the only one demanding an apology and retraction – I did about 5 times, some were snipped. I didn’t expect it to work so I was pleasantly surprised.
They are idiotic in their statements that Gene is a good guy so it’s ok. I suppose that I’m a good guy so it’s ok for me to make threats -haha. I think they will be more careful in the near future, Ive got to say, it’s good to realize some portion of the change created by hard work.
Blogs are powerful because of readers.
“We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few.”
What many alarmists fail to admit is just how deeply imbued their anger is. And how it is their anger that corrupts their good intentions.