Damage control: Greenpeace removes threats

WUWT readers may recall this weekend our feature “Climate Craziness of the Week – Greenpeace posts threats” that appeared on the Greenpeace “Climate Rescue” blog

with the punchline:

We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.

And we be many, but you be few.

Heh. Looks like the opinions of the many outweighed the opinion of the one because now from higher up the food chain at Greenpeace, they say on that updated blog post about the author, Gene Hasmi:

Anyone who knows Gene knows he’s an entirely peaceful guy. In the interest of transparency we have moved it off site to this location,

As I mentioned in comments to that original article, I made a webcitation of the Greenpeace original URL in case they “disappeared” it.  (Archived by WebCite® at http://www.webcitation.org/5oj86Zw5q) As you read the update, you’ll see their spin. Of course it was “all taken out of context you see, and it’s those darned climate contrarians fault for it getting perceived as a threat”.

My response to Greenpeace: Bullshit!

Here’s the update-

Statement from Ananth, International Programme Director:

You’ve probably come here to read a blog post written by our colleague Gene, in which he addresses climate sceptics by saying:

“Let’s talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.”If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:

We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few.”

Well, we’ve taken down that post from our website. It’s very easy to misconstrue that line, take it out of context and suggest it means something wholly different from the practice of peaceful civil disobedience, which is what the post was about. Anyone who knows Gene knows he’s an entirely peaceful guy. In the interest of transparency we have moved it off site to this location, where you can read the offending quotes in context and judge for yourself:

We got this one wrong, no doubt about it. I’m holding up my hands on behalf of the organisation and saying sorry for that. Peaceful action is at the very core of what we do, so any language that even comes close to suggesting that’s not the case is something we cannot support.

Gene in his blog asks: “What do you do when patient petitioning, protest marches and court orders fail? What do you do when all the protocols and cheat codes of democracy fail? This is what you do: you reclaim the language of democracy from the twisted bunch that have hijacked, cannibalized and subverted it.”

We need to reclaim the language of democracy and tolerance. A language that is clear and precise. A language that does not confuse integrity of protest and civil disobedience with anger. One which establishes the fundamental tenets of protecting the planet for all life forms.

The climate change debate is often characterised by more heat than light, and for that reason we all need to be careful about how we express ourselves.

Of course the anti-science brigade on the web has seized on the line in Gene’s post and run with it (and will run and run and run), taken it out of context and run with it some more – it’s what the climate contrarians exist to do.

We do not look over our colleagues’ shoulders when they blog. That’s not what the web is about – and that means we’ll make mistakes. No doubt this won’t be the last one, but next time we’ll deal with it a little quicker.

Thank you for coming to the Greenpeace website, and while you’re here please take the chance to have a look round at some of the work we do.

And if you have any questions about what I’ve written here, feel free to drop me a line at: ananth[at]greenpeace.org, International Programme Director, Greenpeace International.

— Ananth

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hunter

Except Greenpeace is all about violence on property, cowardly stunts, and intimidation of private people excercising their free rights.
Civil disobedience is against governments, not private individuals.
Greenpeace is aided and abetted by governments, and seeks to deprive other citizens of their rights in order to impose thier political demands.
Greenpeace is just one of many thugs hiding behind NGO status and self-declared righteousness.
That the logical outcome of their policies will be more, not less suffering of people only makes this half-hearted attempt at damage control more annoying.
Greenpeace does not get it. They are environmental and climate fear mongers and profiteers. The sooner they are shown for what they are, the better.

Steve Goddard

He is an “entirely peaceful guy.”
In other words he wants other people to commit violence for him. Saddam Hussein paid other people $30,000 to be suicide bombers, because Saddam himself was a peace loving fellow.

BJ

How nice of him to include his email address: ananth@greenpeace.org

Jack in Oregon

GreenPeace Today,
with their old fleet of pollution producing boats, are anything but green… And now with Gene’s comments, its clear they do not respect Peace.
Which gives us this classic…
“Oh No… Its worse then we thought…”
which now leads to…
“Quick, we need to hide the decline… (in Gene’s communications skills…)”

Sean Houlihane

These people should go off grid, and stay there. Preferably on some low-lying sandbank of an island.

Reed Coray

In the interest of transparency we have moved it off site to this location
What the hell does “In the interest of transparency” mean? I was confused by the phrase, but then I looked up “transparency” and “transparent” in the dictionary. Sure enough, trasnparent definition #4. easily seen through, recognized, or detected: transparent excuses. I agree, Greenpeace’s attempt at damage control is “easily seen through”.

TA

He says the remark was “taken out of context”. I do not ever accept that explanation any more, unless it is specified just exactly what in the original context would have changed the meaning from the obvious one. Give us a quote, Ananth, from the original context that it was taken out of! Show us how we were wrong!

kwik

Okay, here is my theory;
Gene watched Avatar, mixed fiction with reality, then wrote his little Gene-Piece.

Alan Bates

Very tempting to use such language, Sean (08:46:50), but don’t let’s sink to their level.
They have made complete fools of themselves but have attempted to recover the situation. I believe we should be keeping an eye on them and holding them to their promises to follow the ways of democracy and tollerance and peaceful action.

Henry chance

Green on the outside and red inside. I recall one of these doogooder groups chased a ship loaded with baby food. It contained msg and was safe to eat. They had the food destroyed. Of course it was on it’s way to feed starving malnourished children. Todlers quit eating baby food and do not die from cancer. The groups play god and think they know what is best for all others. We had some missionary kids play with their friends and the friends ate termites and bugs. How dare they eat unlabelled and uninspected food. At least the termites were not fried in animal fat nor salted.

Myron Mesecke

Gene in his blog asks: “What do you do when patient petitioning, protest marches and court orders fail? What do you do when all the protocols and cheat codes of democracy fail? This is what you do: you reclaim the language of democracy from the twisted bunch that have hijacked, cannibalized and subverted it.”
Hasn’t the warmists been the ones that have hijacked, cannibalized and subverted democracy and freedom trying to control the lives of everyone on the Earth?

Rod Smith

I can’t speak for others, but I certainly didn’t “misconstrue” anything. I recognize a threat when I read it.

I must say, Ananth exhibits quite a bit of ill disguised wordiness that manages to bury within it, a small semblance of a hint of apology.
And, gosh, us Skeptics will use the ludicrous remarks often in the future. Anantha sounds like he’d like to censure our ability to do that, along with our ability to disagree with their hysteria of AGM. No debate allowed here, just ruination of the economies of the world.
If you Google Greenpeace, doubtless you’ll find some interesting history. This is not the first time that Greenpeace is violent or suggests violence. It has a ripe narrative of acting like the immature teenagers they are.
I’ve always thought that Greenpeace = Redwar! Wrong colors, wrong quest!
When Russia could no longer feed itself, when the walls fell in Berlin, when the dictators in old Macedonia were asassinated… all the Red’s turned to Green. There ideological, egotistical, fanatical, insane nature, saw an opening in “saving the environment.”
Now in the UK, Germany, the USA, et al… we see you for what you are, not capable of endearing human kindness. Ananth proves it with a “retraction” were he “hides” the offense… well done, true to form.

Mike

Apparently there are people who can admit to mistakes and change in the light of new information.
http://www.nature.com/climate/2010/1004/full/climate.2010.29.html

Arthur
Steve Goddard

Apparently they think it is OK to commit a crime, as long as someone else thinks the perpetrator is a nice person.

Frederick Michael

The real puzzler is the words, “in the interest of transparency.” Words like, “in the interest of civility,” or, “peace,” etc. would make sense. But, “transparency”? It seems that they picked the one thing it is exactly not.
“In the interest of transparency, I have hidden this.”
I’d really like to understand the mind of those people and this is a signal moment. If we could understand how in the world he could have thought those words fit, maybe we could understand more about their “culture.”

“Peaceful action is at the very core of what we do..”
Peaceful through direct/indirect support of genocide (slaughter of innocents; population control: i.e. abortion), as humanity is an epidemic plague on the earth? Peacefully goading governments into turning laws, then guns against the People who consented to government being armed for the defense the People? Peacefully abusing People’s honorable desires for peaceful solutions, as a means “redistributing wealth” from the innovative/productive, to the non-productive? Peacefully plugging leaks, which are spewing their philosophical contents in public?
Q: Squeeze an orange, what comes out?
A: Not orange juice, but more correctly: WHATEVER IS INSIDE.

Noblesse Oblige

Don’t believe a word about peaceful intentions. These people are ideologue-extremists. Here is an applicable quote from the late French intellectual Jean-Francois Revel, in Last Exit to Utopia, “Absent any external political dictatorship, they [socialist/greens] like to reproduce in their relations with each other, as a sort of in vitro experiment, the effects of the phantom tyranny they long for: the condemnations, exclusions, excommunications, defamatory campaigns — the whole gamut.” He understood that if given power, they would indeed come for us all.

Philip Thomas

Gene is really peaceful because of the dr*gs but they made his mind all soppy http://www.facebook.com/GeneHashmi#!/GeneHashmi?v=wall

Urederra

The paragraphs may have gone, but the threat remains.

Phillip Bratby

“Peaceful action is at the very core of what we do”. The only time I have come across Greenpeace was when I was working at a contractor’s site and they came and invaded it with sledgehammers, bolt-cutters etc. They injured one of the security guards before using the sledgehammers on the security doors. Peaceful my a$$!

Jeremy

What a bunch of flowery nonsense. There is absolutely no substance to this “statement” (it can’t be called an apology). Apparently we are told it is easier to misconstrue what was posted than to properly interpret a call to direct violent action against individuals. You see we dumb skeptical sorts have incorrectly interpreted the post as out-of-bounds in an intellectual debate. Really Genes post was entirely appropriate and it is our retardation that forces them to remove that post. Of course all their other incorrect information and agw exagerrations remain in their original urls, but because we stupid people have incorrectly interpreted this one, it requires multiple follow on posts to explain how we’re wrong and must be moved for some reason.
I know what’s transparent now. What’s clear now is that greenpeace is a religious cult. Their behavior over the past few days is something worthy of scientology.

James Sexton

“….and cheat codes of democracy fail?”
[snip]? Democracy has cheat codes?

Neil

Please give some credit to Gene, for asking the question:
“What do you do when all the protocols and cheat codes of democracy fail? This is what you do: you reclaim the language of democracy from the twisted bunch that have hijacked, cannibalized and subverted it.”
Many people in the UK are thinking this, or something like it, tonight.

Dan Lee

I’m still curious to know what peaceful, nonviolent action they are planning to do at my house. Throw stink-bombs on my porch? Rescue my dog from the back yard? Block my driveway so I can’t drive the truck? Go through my garbage looking for recyclables?
And that is some strong, Jonestown-caliber Kool-aid they’re drinking if it took them more than 5 minutes to see how those words would come across. Or believe that their “update” (and their responses to many of the comments) would make it all better.
They seem genuinely surprised that the world isn’t buying their spin. You’d think they’d be a bit more polished about that sort of thing after all these years. Evidence that their recruitment pool is still from the “young and naive” portion of society, I guess.

Monroe

A conditional apology is an insult and meaningless.

Enneagram

Don’t worry Mr. we are conscious of the importance of your history and your predecessors:
http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/germany/sp001630/peter.html
http://www.green-agenda.com/agenda21.html

Sounds like an advocate for terrorist activities. Should not this matter be investigated by the anti-terrorist department of the CIA?

Enneagram

.”If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation…”
This says it all….

Anthony, your original reaction to Ananth’s weasly justifications for Gene’s very intemperate and quite stupid words which could not be ‘taken out of context ‘ was correct and I concur – it’s bullshit!
‘Out of context’ seems to have become the slender and very dodgy excuse for getting caught writing stuff one should not even say.

jaypan

““What do you do when patient petitioning, protest marches and court orders fail? What do you do when all the protocols and cheat codes of democracy fail? ”
How about to consider that what you go for is deadly wrong, or at least not supported by the majority?

Steve Oregon

Too bad . That was one of the funniest displays by the loonie left I’ve ever seen.
I mean think about it on it’s face.
GreenPeace calling for a GreenWar.
Pretty special how war can be justified by the anti-war people when it suits them.
Sort of like calls for the death penalty for the perpetrator of the dragging death of a texas black man by death penalty opponents. “In this case I think it’s justified”.
Really, well what about Polly Glass killers.
They’re not so bad?

fafhrd

“We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few.”
No other context needed. This is a threat and not a peaceful one. Spin it any way you like. This triggers the flight or fight instinct in me, so I’m borrowing a shotgun for home defense.

RockyRoad

Greenpeace, the environMENTALists, are an embarrassment to civilized society.

KPO

Taken from that link “..In the interest of….” Emerging battle-bruised from the disaster zone of Copenhagen, but ever-hopeful, a rider on horseback brought news of darkness and light: “The politicians have failed. Now it’s up to us.” OMG – there they waited, pain etched into the faces of the faithful, hope, salvation, hope – that never came. O wretched world do thy worst. HEEUUGHIE, sorry just puked all over my monitor – later.

I just clicked on the link to Gene’s blog, and I am somewhat surprised at his definition of ‘democracy’. And people with similar views to Gene have the nerve (or perhaps it’s merely stupidity) to theorise about sceptical plots.
My cheques from Big Oil must have gone astray in the post, or perhaps there has been a bit of a cock-up! But there again, I’m little more than a comentator on the sidelines, so perhaps the bloke who organises the payoffs for Big Oil has never had my address 🙂 .
Bullshit is far too elegant a description for Gene and Ananth’s nonsense.

Guillermo Gefaell

In Spain that Greenpeace article calling to unlawful actions agaisnt dissenting persons on AGW, can be a matter of the Courts of Justice. That’s a calling to terrorism.

Bruce Cobb

“We need to reclaim the language of democracy and tolerance. A language that is clear and precise. A language that does not confuse integrity of protest and civil disobedience with anger. One which establishes the fundamental tenets of protecting the planet for all life forms.”
Translation: We need to up our game in the propaganda and spin department, beginning now, under the guise of “democracy and tolerance”. We need to learn how to use bafflegab more effectively, so that it can’t be deliberately misconstrued and used against us by those who hate our planet and all its life forms.
Yeah, good luck with that, Greedyperps. We know how you think, and we be many more than you think.

agimarc

They need to be careful what they wish for, as there are people in this world who will not react with an open-armed welcome when these wannabee eco-warriors show up on their front doorstep or start mucking around on their property or businesses.
Remember what the French did to the Rainbow Warrior in 1985. Push too hard and there will be some significant push-back that will not stop at all the expected places.
I believe that the laws of physics also apply to the political world and they appear to be non-Newtonian in nature, as the reaction is not necessarily opposite or equal to the action.

pat

What a bunch of leftist twaddle.

Klausb

I allways [sarc]loved[/sarc] these old Mercedes Benz diesels here (Germany),
not maintenanced since a bunch of years,
several 100.000 kms on their meters,
stinking and a Greenpeace sticker on it.
Same old way: Do as I say, don’t do as I do.

Those of us who are concerned for the unintended effects of human progress on our own environments – aka environmentalists – should be wary of groups like Greenpeace.
“One which establishes the fundamental tenets of protecting the planet for all life forms”
-Greenpeace Gene
There is no such tenet – do not try to establish one. It is not your planet to ‘protect’. Do not lay claim to the arrogance to speak for ‘all life forms’. ‘Life’ is much bigger than your puny mind can discern.
Peace sells, but who’s buyin’?
-Dave Mustaine
Regards

Greenpeace logo:
[Deleted per request.]

I saw that threat on line early on and thought it was just business as usual for GreenPeas.

Enneagram

This seems a very serious threat, perhaps, this time, they are ready to take us in those J.H. trains to the now updated “shortwave ovens”, replacing the nasty old ones which run on fossil fuel. History repeats itself.

Bill Marsh

Yep, and the wife always did something to make her husband beat her.
These clowns are pathetic

Enneagram

Smokey (09:52:03) :Forgot the text on it. Fix it to make copies of it to call the attention of the world about this real menace.

Alan the Brit

I have said it before, the way this country (UK) is going under Noo Labour, they will kill someone & get off scot-free as they were “defending the planet”! They’vre done everything else up to now. Now, how did that old chant line from dear old Fred Wedlock go……”Smash violence, kill the war-mongers! Be hear Saturday man, we’re having a peace riot!”.
AtB

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While their threat of physical violence has been withdrawn, their threat of economic violence remains for every person struggling to maintain or improve their quality of life on earth.