WUWT readers may recall this weekend our feature “Climate Craziness of the Week – Greenpeace posts threats” that appeared on the Greenpeace “Climate Rescue” blog
with the punchline:
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.
And we be many, but you be few.
Heh. Looks like the opinions of the many outweighed the opinion of the one because now from higher up the food chain at Greenpeace, they say on that updated blog post about the author, Gene Hasmi:
Anyone who knows Gene knows he’s an entirely peaceful guy. In the interest of transparency we have moved it off site to this location,
As I mentioned in comments to that original article, I made a webcitation of the Greenpeace original URL in case they “disappeared” it. (Archived by WebCite® at http://www.webcitation.org/5oj86Zw5q) As you read the update, you’ll see their spin. Of course it was “all taken out of context you see, and it’s those darned climate contrarians fault for it getting perceived as a threat”.
My response to Greenpeace: Bullshit!
Here’s the update-
Statement from Ananth, International Programme Director:
You’ve probably come here to read a blog post written by our colleague Gene, in which he addresses climate sceptics by saying:
“Let’s talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.”If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few.”
Well, we’ve taken down that post from our website. It’s very easy to misconstrue that line, take it out of context and suggest it means something wholly different from the practice of peaceful civil disobedience, which is what the post was about. Anyone who knows Gene knows he’s an entirely peaceful guy. In the interest of transparency we have moved it off site to this location, where you can read the offending quotes in context and judge for yourself:
We got this one wrong, no doubt about it. I’m holding up my hands on behalf of the organisation and saying sorry for that. Peaceful action is at the very core of what we do, so any language that even comes close to suggesting that’s not the case is something we cannot support.
Gene in his blog asks: “What do you do when patient petitioning, protest marches and court orders fail? What do you do when all the protocols and cheat codes of democracy fail? This is what you do: you reclaim the language of democracy from the twisted bunch that have hijacked, cannibalized and subverted it.”
We need to reclaim the language of democracy and tolerance. A language that is clear and precise. A language that does not confuse integrity of protest and civil disobedience with anger. One which establishes the fundamental tenets of protecting the planet for all life forms.
The climate change debate is often characterised by more heat than light, and for that reason we all need to be careful about how we express ourselves.
Of course the anti-science brigade on the web has seized on the line in Gene’s post and run with it (and will run and run and run), taken it out of context and run with it some more – it’s what the climate contrarians exist to do.
We do not look over our colleagues’ shoulders when they blog. That’s not what the web is about – and that means we’ll make mistakes. No doubt this won’t be the last one, but next time we’ll deal with it a little quicker.
Thank you for coming to the Greenpeace website, and while you’re here please take the chance to have a look round at some of the work we do.
And if you have any questions about what I’ve written here, feel free to drop me a line at: ananth[at]greenpeace.org, International Programme Director, Greenpeace International.
— Ananth
A Czech refugee I knew many years ago said that while the Red Army was rolling through Eastern Europe, it’s oft-repeated slogan was “We are many,” a not-so-veiled reference to it’s inexhaustible supply of cannon fodder. Quite likely where Gene picked up the remark, though his English is a bit shoddy.
Maybe their problem is that their eco-warriors (super name for peaceful people, warrior, great, doesn’t sound that peaceful, but seems to work with the masses so let’s just keep it) have such an inflated ego that they are difficult to control by the eco-marketing-generals. Until they get some perks and an office job and become eco-generals themselves, of course.
But i mean… don’t they have proofreaders?
The publishing process needs an overhaul. QA needs to be strengthened. QA – same problem as with Dr. Phil Jones. Seems to be endemic in AGW circles.
Ahhhhh, but Ananth forgot to addres the quote:
This last statement does not exclude the use of violence.
“In the interest of transparency we have moved it off site to this location”
Uh, correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t moving it somewhere else reduce if not eliminate the scar on the Gandhi image that they wish to promote of themselves?
I think so. It’s utter bullshit. They’ve no more respect for transparency than they do for “peaceful protest”.
I feel a reality check is needed here with regard to the ego driven statement about ‘they being the many and we being the few’.
In reality it is we who are the many, we are the silent majority who wish only to live our lives in peace, we do not riot or protest nor do we issue threats or smash things when we dont get our way.
We ordinary people outnumber the tiny minority of angry zealots by thousands to one, the zealots make lots of noise and create lots of heat and gain lots of fawning media attention far in excess of what their actual case merits but the fact is the vast majority of ordinary people are losing patience with the tiny minoritys childish nonsense.
These childish fools need to be taught a lesson, it is we who are the many and it is they who are the few and the simple fact is that this noisy minority are pushing their luck, at some point the legendary patience of the vast silent majority is going to run out and the noisy childish foot stamping attention seekers are going to be on the receiving end of a hearty and well deserved slapping down.
The vast majority of us just wish to live our lives in peace, we wish only to be told the truth by our elected leaders and we wish to abide by the law and expect others to do the same.
In point of fact the fawning media bears much responsibilty for lavishing so much undeserved attention on these zealots, they take it for granted that when they pull a moronic stunt they can enjoy a worldwide coverage to inflate their importance, perhaps this has caused their bloated egos to inflate just a little too much!
W^L+ (11:33:48) :
“Can we stay away from Nazi logos?”
I thought a long time before posting that logo [a couple of years, in fact. I’ve had it that long but never posted it before].
But it seemed so appropriate to the words and actions of Greenpeace that I thought I’d take a chance.
My apologies if anyone [except Greenpeace] was offended.
kwik (08:52:43) : “Okay, here is my theory… Gene watched Avatar, mixed fiction with reality, then wrote his little Gene-Piece.”
Interesting, but I think I’ve got a clearer one…
Gene watched Avatar many, many times, basking in the glory that it was certain to win as many awards as the the number of times he watched it.
But it didn’t (ha! ha!)
Smokey – In the meantime, here’s the headline over at Climate Depot right now:
“NASA’s James Hansen Off His Meds? Calls global warming the ‘predominant moral issue of the 21st century…comparable to Nazism…and slavery'”
So, apparently, references to Nazis is a ‘scientifically’ valid argument, according to this eminent ‘scientist.’
Flashback from Climate Depot
Statements from warmists:
‘Shouldn’t we start punishing them now?’
“An entire generation will soon be ready to strangle you and your kind while you sleep in your beds”
“high crimes against humanity.”
Lots more below.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1096/Execute-Skeptics-Shock-Call-To-Action-At-what-point-do-we-jail-or-execute-global-warming-deniers–Shouldnt-we-start-punishing-them-now
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James Hansen – Huffington Post – April 5th 2010
“The predominant moral issue of the 21st century, almost surely, will be climate change, comparable to Nazism faced by Churchill in the 20th century and slavery faced by Lincoln in the 19th century.”
[my emphasis]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-james-hansen/obamas-second-chance-on-c_b_525567.html
These people are all statists.
From Advocates for Self Government”, authors of a famous quiz that shows your political leaning:
“statists consistently doubt that economic liberty and individual freedom are necessary, practical, or workable in today’s world.
Some statists call their political beliefs populism, socialism, or communitarianism. At the extreme, undemocratic end of the statist spectrum, statism also encompasses communism, fascism, and other forms of totalitarianism.”
They would like to control as much of your life as possible: what you eat, drink, do, where you work, what work you do, etc. All for the bureaucratic whims of the state. Your life means nothing, you have no individuality, except as it serves the state. And when the state deems you are no longer worth the time and energy to feed because you no longer nourish the state, i.e. old age, intransigence, malingering, etc., the state will cut you off from it’s benefits.
Smokey – In the meantime, here’s the headline at Climate Depot right now:
“NASA’s James Hansen Off His Meds? Calls global warming the ‘predominant moral issue of the 21st century…comparable to Nazism…and slavery'”
I’m sure this ‘scientist’ will apologize any minute now…
Sure, I understand! They weren’t real threats… Just like the “rotten” ice isn’t real ice. ;->
I agree with W^L+. We should stay away from the Nazi logo; using the logo might be considered as bad/awful as the blogpost of Gene.
If Smokey agrees I would propose to take the particular post down.
Smokey, no offence meant.
Over in the BIG sites:
http://www.breitbart.com/
the lefties who have been caught on camera are sanitizing their web presence. Need to do screen grabs on as many of the AGW supporters as possible to preserve the evidence.
GreenPeace, don’t try to hide under your words.
It will never work again!
We see your true colors and none are green.
I am not religious nor am I advocating, but I can’t help remembering this verse in light of the widening divisions among peoples in almost all societies. My suspicious nature wonders if it is orchestrated?
“They shall be divided, father against son, and son against father; mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother; mother in law against her daughter in law, and daughter in law against her mother in law.”
Doots asked (10:13:22) – Is Greenpeace even a relevant organization anymore?
Unfortunately it is. See this in today’s (London) Times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7088297.ece
Greenpeace is lobbying to block an aid project that would benefit millions of South Africans. It seems they are prepared to sacrifice some of the world’s poorest people – their education, healthcare, clean water and the opportunity for their children to grow up in an expanding economy – on the sacred altar of an unverified hypothesis. It’s shameful that they are part of a campaign that could lead directly to children’s deaths.
Gene Hashmi – communications director at Greenpeace India
Posted on twitter on 9th March 2010:
http://twitter.com/genehashmi/status/10231913487
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/apr/06/greenpeace-gene-hashmi-climate-sceptics
nofate (12:26:21) :
These people are all statists Everything GREEN:
All statists are good hearted people who think and hope that by redistributing wealth make a good thing, however, wherever it has been applied it turns out to redistributing poverty and imposing the worst tax ever invented: Inflation through debasing currencies by an unlimited printing frenzy. Does it look familiar?…Not yet though.
Grünen blitzkrieg!
Peter Sawyer at the site Climate Skeptic left this:
To Juliette, Andrew, Brian, Grateful Child, Mike G and all the rest of the good folk at Greenpeace . . . .
Guys, please stop wasting your much-valued time and effort debating with all these redneck flat-earth deniers who insist on trying to discredit you and the organisation’s fantastic efforts. They are just jealous because you guys won, and they lost, and now there’s stuff-all they can do about it. I mean, let’s consider the score board:
1. Despite tens of thousands of years of climate following a natural, repeating cycle of 25 – 30 years alternate warming and cooling, you managed to convince people that just this once, the last warming cycle would continue upwards “forever” unless drastic changes were made.
2. Despite the entire record of human history being one of growth, posterity and plenty in the “warm” periods, and famine, starvation and suffering in the “cool” periods, you managed to convince people that, just this once, “warm” is bad, and “cold” is good.
3. Through your demonizing of fossil fuels and all realistic viable energy alternatives for the past twenty years, you have managed to ensure the western world is going into this next cool period with a dramatic energy deficiency.
4. As a spin-off of that campaign you have managed to ensure that 30% (so far) of the world’s previously surplus agricultural productivity has now been diverted to biofuel production.
5. Meanwhile your colleagues over at Goldman Sachs and elsewhere have managed to collapse the entire financial structure of the western world.
So, the world is going to get cold, crops are going to fail, people are going to freeze and starve, and there’s no energy, no surplus food, and no finance to do anything about it. Meaning about two billion people are now facing slow, miserable deaths over the next decade, with nobody actually able to be held accountable. Least of all you guys.
Which is what it was really all about right from the start, wasn’t it? The greatest genocide in history with total plausible deniability for all you perpetrators.
So, stop wasting time debating with these losers. Get out and celebrate, before the food and energy riots start.
Peter Sawyer – author – The GreenHoax Effect © 1990″
I think it is one of the better posts yet made irt Greenpeace.
Who really funds Greenpeace? Follow the money. Controlling both sides of an issue is an old tried and true method of always being in charge and one that seems, no matter how often used, works over and over and over again on the unsuspecting.
Nofate: Good description of totalitarianism which is the goal of both the extreme right and extreme left. One monster – two heads.
If Greenpeace come for you, remember Leslie’s advice:
hunter (12:51:14) :Great indeed!
Asking for forgiveness then calling us the anti-science brigade when Dr Patrick Moore himself left Greenpeace because it was not only anti-science it was also anti-human and elitist.
Jimbo (12:42:43) :
Gene Hashmi – communications director at Greenpeace India
Posted on twitter on 9th March 2010:
“I haven’t said anything in 7 months, so why are all 32 of you mofos following me? Just so you know, I’m carrying a knife.”
Gee, that can’t be the same Gene Hashmi, communications director at Greenpeace India, that Andrew was telling us about, because *that* Gene Hashmi, communications director at Greenpeace India, is a *peaceable guy*. Nup, it can’t be the same Gene Hashmi, communications director at Greenpeace India, at all. Two entirely different Gene Hashmiss, communications director at Greenpeace India — right, Andrew?