Ecotretas writes in with this sad video.
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First time I’ve seen an image of a big bird going down due to wind energy:
The important part is at 1:57 This occurred in Creta.
The effort to save the bird is notorious! Please check it out at:
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This video made me wonder why the vulture was hanging around these wind power turbines. Perhaps there were other birds felled by the turbines on the ground and the vulture just did what they do normally: circle and wait.
One of the interesting aspects of the AGW proponents’ recommendations to use hydrogen fueled automotive engines is their complete disregard of the combustion byproduct and emission of dihydrogen monoxide, which is a far more powerful so-called greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide ever was.
Speaking of these blights on the rural landscape …
http://hro001.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/the-answer-hes-shown-is-not-blowin-in-the-wind/
Have fun with the information on this site. See what miss-facts you can pick out
http://www.peaceenergy.ca/windpower.html
This is near Dawson Creek British Columbia. Such a beautiful horizon.
“This video made me wonder why the vulture was hanging around these wind power turbines”
Some places are just good for generating thermals. The vultures will know where to look. (Man made structures are always worth investigating, A mini UHI effect)
My interest in the weather
Re dave ward (13:39:31) :
quote http://waweatherscience.com/recent-news/winds-turbines-produce-clouds-and-a-loss-of-efficiency/ unquote
But think of the global cooling caused by those ‘contrails’! The sea boundary layer was obviously too smooth to generate low level cloud, so it needed stirring up. More low level stratus means more cooling. If we deploy enough windmills we’ll be able to set the world’s thermostat at any level we want.
JF
Its playing with the turbulence of the wing tips. Probably a young bird. Simply including downed bird recovery training for the maintenance staff would solve the problems. Fewer birds and bats die. I think this technology will be obsolete soon with new wind mill designs in the works. Particularly Flodesign and venturi based systems. Screened intakes are possible on both. With greenhouse gone as a reason for rash urgency better designs will emerge as the industry rationalise.
One reason of several reasons for attracting especially soaring raptors is coincidence of location. The thermals are used by the soaring birds, as mentioned by others.
But the wind turbine removes energy from the thermal. Which may be similar effect to a pot-hole in the road for a soaring bird. It also generates turbulence in its wake. It may simply be to complicated to compensate for these phenomena.
As raptor population declines, rodent populations would tend to increase. Which, especially in coastal regions, can impact on the population of ground-nesting birds.
Is this what they mean by “death spiral”???
I’m no expert but it looked absolutely contrived to me from beginning to end.
slayer (19:19:16) :
Papertiger, I respectfully disagree with you. Environmentalists never admit they are wrong. And most of the environmentalist movement is driven by money (read carbon credits) anyway, so they don’t really care. Lose a few animals? Big deal! There’s contracts and money to be made!
If only we could get that lucky. To have a California Condor get chopped out of the sky on viral video, and have the envirohypocrits duck the issue entirely in favor of their capitalist ventures.
I respectfully submit that something very simular happened to ACORN just resently. Let the WWF sit on their hands. Let the Peta and Sierra Club kick back and count the tax deductable contributions from windmill merchants.
Then watch their funding dry out until they’re nothing but desicated husks.
Squidly (11:53:37). Yes, it’s probably the stupidest form of energy production (not comparable with energy production in local wind mills of the old era). (Proponents tend to forget it produces energy at night and other times when the production cost is several times higher than the electricity price; this subsidised.)
It’s not surpricing that something like this comes out of the former political (far) left anti-american and pro-east movement, who picked up global warming as its scientific truth to fuel societal transformation towards its ends, and who have now succeeded in doing this to a common in academia defended discourse.
But this absurd theatre is an immensely sad thing — for the environment, economy etc. We should urge people in the academia to speak out.
“This video made me wonder why the vulture was hanging around these wind power turbines”
I often wonder the same thing when I go running and notice that the buzzards are circling overhead. It’s a little freaky.
I must admit I had little sympathy for vultures until I viewed this clip of a “bat-whacker” in action.
I find Jerker Andersson’s suggestion that the bird was shot doubtful. I’ve never tried it, but apparently it’s very hard to hit a bird at any distance with a bullet, which is why hunters use shotguns or rifles with birdshot. However, shot doesn’t carry very far.
In any event, like the famous polar bear-in-distress photos, one would do well to check with whoever took the video or was present to corroborate the image. Was the “rescued” bird eventually healed, or just summarily euthanized after capture?
Vultures eating roadkill are often hit by fast-moving cars, because they don’t perceive something is coming until too late. But if you see one ahead, laying on your horn will often get it to move before you get there. Perhaps “deer whistles” on the ends of the blades would get their attention and frighten them away?
Perspective. We see Greenpeace and the Sierra club will drag out pictures of birds covered with oil to say every oil well, pipeline and device is deadly. Now with this, how is death to birds any different? Each bird can eat it’s weight in insects in a few days? We should ask Greenpeace and the biggest name in eco terrorism what they plan to do about this massive slaughter of woildlife.
Condor Cuisinart
Martin Mason (04:29:38) :
I’m no expert but it looked absolutely contrived to me from beginning to end.
If it was faked, they’d have used a polar bear.
Josualdo (14:07:24) and others
My remark about hydrogen was in the context of possibly being able to use unwanted wind energy to make same, so that at least some of the energy could be used when needed. Otherwise the need for conventional back up makes wind a total nonsense for centralised generation/current useage patterns. Wind probably increases CO2.
Hopefully, if water is used to get the H2, the dihydrogen monoxide GHG could be tolerated.
As to the merit of the post, the total irony of green solutions killing birds the greens love was surely just to much to miss, given that that kind of effect might even slow wind turbine deployment whereas thier uselessness hasn’t? What a world we live in. (PS I’m a conservationist and dislike road kill, oil slicks, unecessary killing of any sort – and BAD SCIENCE)
I live a few kilometers from three windmills on the northern Baltic sea. We have lots of white-tailed eagles here, but I have not heard of any hitting the rotor blades. Of course our landscape is also much flatter than Crete, so there are no particular updrafts to attract large birds to where the windmills are.
The AGW true believers rationalizing the windmills’ impact on bird life (and bats) is disgusting.
For the sake of fear of CO2, the AGW community is willing to trade of millions of acres of open land. Except it is not only fear, is it. The NGO’s promoting the fear in many cases will profit from windmill royalty fees. The video on this this thread shows three windmills.
The vulture, by the way, was circling to eat carrion of other birds killed by the windmill.
The AGW social movement is venal, petty, magical thinking motivated by false fear and the basest of greed.
hunter (07:53:06) :
“The AGW true believers rationalizing the windmills’ impact on bird life (and bats) is disgusting.”
With a capital “D”. If I said what I really think of these lowlifes, I would be censored. Excellent post – magical thinking is so rampant among this crowd as to be a defining characteristic.
“wesley bruce (02:46:05) :
Its playing with the turbulence of the wing tips. Probably a young bird. Simply including downed bird recovery training for the maintenance staff would solve the problems. Fewer birds and bats die. I think this technology will be obsolete soon with new wind mill designs in the works. Particularly Flodesign and venturi based systems. Screened intakes are possible on both. With greenhouse gone as a reason for rash urgency better designs will emerge as the industry rationalise.”
Oh that one’s good. Yeah, place some emergency rescue teams on standby 24/7, that’ll help the economics. And yeah, as soon as “the greenhouse is gone” the engineers will have time to “rationalise” because they don’t have to “rash”. Say sonny, you obviously never worked in an industrial project of any kind and the word “budget” doesn’t tell you anything, right?
Ok, it’s probably useless but just a little information: Development of new technologies is so WAAAYY expensive that you ALWAYS cut any corner you can. This has nothing to do with “rushing” something out the door. The cost simply kills you if you’re not quick enough.
So, no, when “the greenhouse is gone” the developers will still build the cheapest fastest thing they can. And give a rat’s ass for raptors as long as environmental regulations don’t force them to. It’s a simple outcome of competition.
It is fantastical thinking to expect anything else.
Way to go greenies, once again thinking you are saving the world only for horrible unintended consequences.
Someone could point to any information about birds deaths because of crashing against windows/buildings? or better an study of death causes in birds.
To answer myself i found this:
http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html
So sad… The bird is so attracted by the construction. A scientific spirit inside the bird makes it suffer so much.
Really bad computer graphics. keep your eyes on the wind turbine, not in the bird, and you see how the bird moves and twitches with the camera movements..
Same effect can be seen in some UFO sighting videos.
Definitely fake. I have seen this video first on a 3D rendering forum and the guy said it was his job and the tracking was not perfect. The video contained at that time no introduction about Crete, no music…
At 1:51 the camera moves a lot, and the bird follows the camera movement. This is typical effect of a bad motion tracking.