Big Bird meets Big Green

Ecotretas writes in with this sad video.

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First time I’ve seen an image of a big bird going down due to wind energy:

The important part is at 1:57 This occurred in Creta.

The effort to save the bird is notorious! Please check it out at:

http://www.ekpazp.gr/multi158/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=161%3A2009-11-03-15-03-15&catid=1%3A-&Itemid=2&lang=en

and

http://www.ekpazp.gr/multi158/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=164%3A2009-11-23-22-05-47&catid=1%3A-&Itemid=2&lang=en

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This video made me wonder why the vulture was hanging around these wind power turbines. Perhaps there were other birds felled by the turbines on the ground and the vulture just did what they do normally: circle and wait.

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That was awful !!
Very sad !!

tommy

This is sadly a problem here in Norway as well. Some birds have totally vanished from the areas where they put up windmills. 🙁
But i guess it is okay when it is done in the name of global warming/climate change/or whatever they call it today.

JonFrum

Someone linked to that recently – it’s been around for a while.

Steve Schaper

I think it demonstrates just how rare an actual bird strike would be. How many times did it fly through the rotor without being hit?

OT but I hope interesting.
Is Google biased?
A year ago my colleague and I did an analysis of popular climate blogs based on Google ‘page rank’. The page rank goes from 0 to 10. The higher the rank the more enquiries Google is likely to send to that site. What we have found is the while non-sceptic sites are more or less in balance, as many sites have moved up as have moved down, for sceptic sites this is not the case. The number of demotions is more than 5 times higher than the number of promotions.
(http://www.climatedata.info/Discussions/Discussions/opinions.php )
It is not due to changes in posting frequency. We have also found that non-sceptical sites with few visitors (according to Alexa) sometimes have the same page rank as popular sceptic sites with 100 times as many visitors.
It seems as if Google is biased against climate sceptics.

Paul

Solve the “climate crisis…” kill an innocent birdie. 🙁

Al Gore's Holy Hologram

The WWF will save the birds.
cough

Squidly

Worst form of energy production EVER!

“Windmill parks are a renewable form of production of electric energy. They produce cheap ….(CHEAP!!!)….electric energy, reducing the pollution…(POLLUTION!!!)… of the environment and the greenhouse effect. ”
Drinking the Warmist KoolAid: cheap energy indeed.

Evan Jones

Well, at least they’ll save that particular bird.

Look for learned studies on the disappearance of large numbers of soaring birds from their usual habitat, all blaming it on Global Warming.
Oddly enough, they’ll be correct…in a very skewed way.

Very sad.
The only way these Greens/CAGW prophets of doom will be stopped is by being put on the stand and cross-examined by the best legal brains in the US or England.
None of their so called “evidence” nor any of their models will stand up to cross-examination by lawyers. Why are those of us who know better not engineering ways in which the CAGW farce can be exposed in Court?
Senator Inhofe is the only person I am aware of presently who is actually making threatening noises. Can we not get public interest type suits going somewhere? Are there any lawyers listening. I am prepared to get involved pro bono in England.
Anybody?
Kevin Oram

R. Gates

Colateral Damage…
In the war against fossil fuel addiction: Clean Energy 1, Vultures 0

HereticFringe

Time to stamp another vulture outline on the side of the turbine tower. After 5 kills, the tower becomes and “ace”.

slow to follow

Steve – no. of crossings is less relevant than time in the area to a strike.

More about Birds

http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2009/07/05/northwest-wind-power-a-threat-to-raptors/
http://www.examiner.com/ExaminerSlideshow.html?entryid=455213&slide=3
This is what Audubon et al wants to do, trade our environment for wind power, so they can enrich their own coffers because of their “gullible and naive” green followers.
http://www.sunjournal.com/node/808976
This is a great slide show, by a wildlife biologist, to show how wind turbines impact our environment. This is what the Audubon society and other “environmental org’s are begging for, thousands upon thousands of these.
http://www.kutztown.edu/acad/geography/wildlife&windconf/Speaker_Presentations/Boone_GIS.pdf
The nuclear plant that is supplying my electricity now, (certainly not a wind farm, there is No Wind Today), puts out 2400 MW , 24/7 almost 365 per year.
5,000 (five thousand) 2 MW turbines with yearly ave capacity of 25% will put out 2,500 MW of erratic, unreliable electricity. The turbines will need about 20,000 acres of clearcut forest, impacting many times more of that forested area by FRAGMENTATION. That is what the Audubon et al used to preach about. Now they are lobbying congress to clearcut massive areas of prime ridge habitat in the Northeast US, because that is where the wind blows. It is complete “insanity” to think that we should cover our environment, our most precious resource, with these costly, wasteful, noisy MONSTERS. The bird kills are a small part of a picture that is overall DEVASTATING to anyone who cares about the land we live on. Another enormous consideration is the how these affect the lives and land values of people who live within 2 miles of these things.

Scarlet Pumpernickel

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That was horrible. What a magnificent animal. I had heard that windmills killed birds but that video stopped my heart.

George Turner

It’s a vulture, a carrion eater. It was undoubtedly employed by an oil company, whose employees are all just vultures feeding off the corpse of a dying planet!
*sobs*
[/sarcasm]

Gerry

Shorter 30second clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9srPoOU6_Z4

TerryS

Re: Steve Schaper (11:43:48) :

I think it demonstrates just how rare an actual bird strike would be. How many times did it fly through the rotor without being hit?

I think it demonstrates that their was something about the turbine that attracted the bird. Whether it was carrion near the windmill or something else I dont know, but it was obvious that the vulture was going to keep on flying around the turbine and the longer it did the more inevitable the strike.

JohnB

“I think it demonstrates just how rare an actual bird strike would be. How many times did it fly through the rotor without being hit?”
If we are going to base it on the video alone, I would say that one large bird gets hit by a windmill every 2 minutes or so. At that rate, it’s 262,974 birds hit per windmill per year. How many windmills are there? 😉

anna v

I was wondering whether the turbulence generated by the windmills disturbs the wind pattern that the bird expects , creating updrafts and sinks its little brain cannot compute. Many birds depend on just planing rather than flying, taking advantage of the wind patterns.

TerryS

Re: Steve Schaper (11:43:48):
One other thing. If you assume that the bird flew past the turbines 50 times then that would mean 1 in 50 birds flying through a turbine would get hit. That is of course a ridiculous extrapolation to make from a single piece of data. Similarly, it is also ridiculous to assume that strikes would be rare from a single piece of video.

Number8Dave

An ecological consultant of my acquaintance (who was studying the impacts of wind turbines on birds) has seen the same behaviour with Australasian harriers in New Zealand, although in that case the bird didn’t collide with the blade. Harriers do scavenge, but this didn’t seem to be a case of a bird hanging around waiting for casualties, and I suspect the same applies to the vulture. It’s almost as if these raptors like to show off their flying skills – whether they’re trying to impress the ladies or just enjoying themselves, who knows? It does seem that wind turbines have some kind of appeal for at least some raptors, although just how common this behaviour is I’m not sure.

I read once there was an average of one large bird killed per windmill per month (or maybe year). Thing is these blades are deceptively slow moving but are really going pretty fast. 30m long is a circumference of 200m which if it goes around in 3sec is 66m/s or much much faster than a car.

Gary Pearse

Steve Schaper (11:43:48) :
I think it demonstrates just how rare an actual bird strike would be. How many times did it fly through the rotor without being hit
Steve, if you watched the video with a more open mind you would notice that the bird was attracted to these big wings and was destined to be clipped by a rotor. He appeared to be have come from afar and was attracted over. Perhaps the wind currents (these birds are experts on this) were interesting to it. It got a nice acceleration when it passed through the airstream.

Not good for biodiversity. It even selects the bigger birds.

Doug Badgero

Let’s not go to far here. If these things made technological and economic sense I would be arguing that the occasional bird strike is a small price to pay to power civilization. Unfortunately, they don’t – that is why they are a dumb idea – not because they kill some birds. Every source of power has similar type issues, e.g. fish, etc.

bikermailman

Perhaps there were updrafts it was sailing on?

And than another thing strikes me, this was most likely a place rarely visited by people because it is a barren hill/mountain top, ideal for wild life, and look at it now, apart from the windmills, look at the roads leading to it, the waste and rubble left behind. And this is happening all over the world.
Is this the greener and prosperous earth that is being promised by the Warmista’s if we act as they say we should?

u.k.(us)

Unintended consequence of knee-jerk environmentalism, combined with politics and greed.
I didn’t watch the video.

It’s all in the name of finding renewable and clean sources of energy. Fortunately for the world but unfortunately for the AGW control freaks, all of that will change soon due to a breakthrough in physics. A new analysis of the causality of motion reveals that we are immersed in a huge ocean of clean energy, lots and lots of it. It turns out that, contrary to the popular doctrine, Aristotle was right and that motion requires a cause. As a result we are moving in an immense lattice of energetic particles. No lattice => no motion.
http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/2009/09/physics-problem-with-motion-part-i.html
Physicists do not understand motion even if they think they do. In the not too distant future, we’ll have vehicles that require no wheels, travel at tremendous speeds and negotiate right angle turns without slowing down and without incurring any damage due to inertial effects. Floating sky cities, New York to Beijing in minutes, earth to Mars in hours; that’s the future of energy and transportation. Wait for it.

lance

Several years ago, Univ. of Calgary was studying the effects of the reduction of bats down by Pincher Creek (large wind farms down that way). News coverage….nothing. Have a few ducks land on a tailings pond at Syncrude…world coverage….

christooher booer

well done on publishing this horrow story. I wrote about it in my London Sunday Telegraph column last month, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7437040/Eco-friendly-but-not-to-eagles.html

Al Gore's Holy Hologram

“TerryS (12:34:48) :
I think it demonstrates that their was something about the turbine that attracted the bird.”
Vultures, eagles and other large birds of prey circle tall structures. It gives them a sense of coordination and direction. They used to do it with just mountain peaks, then buildings erected by men, and now we see them colliding with windmills. You can’t tell them not to circle the structures, it’s their nature to collect bearings this way.

Mark Wagner

one wonders how much greenhouse gas was emitted due to the efforts to save the bird? Extra juice for the x-ray machine, bandages, splits and other disposables that were manufactured somewhere, couple bags o’ vulture snacks, extra shift at the vulture rehab centre, and whatnot.
probably makes that particular windmill “carbon neutral.”

Daniel

Must to read:
The hidden fuel costs of wind generated electricity.
http://www.clepair.net/windsecret.html
The impact of wind generated electricity on fossil fuel consumption.
http://www.clepair.net/windefficiency.html

Sam the Skeptic

sixwings (13:03:54) :
Aye, right! Perhaps you would care to elaborate on that or let us know which newspaper you found it in two days ago.
I’m sure we haven’t yet plumbed the full depths of our knowledge of physics but I can’t see this being practical anytime soon!

Douglas DC
Douglas DC

-not Birds” oops.

christooher booer

well done for writing about this horror story of our time. I reported on it in my London Sunday Telegraph column last month.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7437040/Eco-friendly-but-not-to-eagles.html
Mark Duchamp of Save The Eagles International is one of the real heroes of this story. A retired French banker. he retired to Alicante in Spain, where he came to admire the local eagles and other birds of prey. He was then horrified to see the damage being done to them by proliferating local windfarms. He has since become the most effective campaigner against this worldwide tragedy.
Consult his website at
http://www.iberica2000.org/es/Articulo.asp?Id=1228

keith in hastings UK

Sad & not even necessary, since until electricity can be reasonably effectively stored, wind turbines don’t even save CO2, or so I’ve read. Fabrication, virtually 100% back up needed from conventional, inefficient loading of back up plus inefficiencies of ramping output up and down, as yet uncertain maintenance costs, etc.
I guess hydrogen production then fuel cell use might be the future answer?
At present, the rush to wind power seems one of the worst aspects of AGW panic, financed in UK by hidden levy on all electricity users.
Happy to be corrected if wrong.

Andrew W

“It’s a carrion eater”
Obviously it was attracted by the corpses of the 21,914.5 birds that that turbine had felled over the previous month.
Clearly we need to ban these horrible bird slaughtering machines before the global avian population is wiped out.

dave ward

anna v (12:39:59) : This post shows quite clearly how the airflow is disturbed by wind turbines.
http://waweatherscience.com/recent-news/winds-turbines-produce-clouds-and-a-loss-of-efficiency/
The article also shows how this wake turbulence drastically reduces the output of the downwind machines.

For those with strong stomachs, pics of birds chopped up by wind turbines: click
[Skip the first & last links, they load Word for just one picture.]

Jerker Andersson

While birds getting hit by windmills is a real problem I suspect this video is a fake video.
Why?
If you watch the video closley at 1.45-1.55 you can see that the camera moves a little bit to the left and the bird follows the camera and is moved closer the windmill the seconds before it gets hit.
I think it is a trick and possibly the bird got shot and then the video got adjusted afterwards to make it look like it got hit by the windmill.
AGW has lernt me one thing, dont belive everything that is shown or told.

Jimbo

Steve Schaper (11:43:48) :
“I think it demonstrates just how rare an actual bird strike would be. How many times did it fly through the rotor without being hit?”
Or maybe the bird was attracted to the swirling blades like they are to other swirling vultures then such strikes might be more common for vultures. I have no idea though, just speculating.

Besides Al Gore’s Holy Hologram (13:12:45) answer to “why”, there was also a high cliff, producing most certainly a nice current. Even paragliders were there for it.
@ christooher booer (13:11:23) : Yes, that’s your story and thanks for it, and to R North. That’s where I got the story and video for my own tiny blog, and it is somehow circulating indeed. The idea of bird kills by wind turbines is conceivable as long as you don’t see it, then it becomes unthinkable.

This bird flew regularly with these men. They did not expect the bird to fly in to the turbine blades, but it was temped by the warm updraft, as that is what vultures love to ride.
The wind plant offered them no help. They worked hard to save this poor bird. Supporting wind turbines is insane. We are destroying what we are suppose to be saving.